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iamsan
01-04-2019, 09:15 PM
Hi guys
I snap up Chinese technique (long swing) needs some flexible wood type as outer layer instead of smth stiff like Koto or wulnut.
I wonder why pro's like fzd use Viscaria?

vik2000
01-04-2019, 09:35 PM
Given the amount of power pros can deliver in each stroke, I'd imagine they don't need something as flexy as us average joes do...

Joe141
01-04-2019, 09:36 PM
Fan zhendong uses stiga infinity.
Koto pairs well with tacky rubber

G_ZHANG
01-04-2019, 09:46 PM
I think for Chinese technique, limba is not manditory, but sticky rubber like Hurricane or skyline is manditory.


Hi guys
I snap up Chinese technique (long swing) needs some flexible wood type as outer layer instead of smth stiff like Koto or wulnut.
I wonder why pro's like fzd use Viscaria?

TableTennisNerd
01-04-2019, 10:20 PM
Fan zhendong uses stiga infinity.
Koto pairs well with tacky rubber
Here’s one of the average Joes already... FZD uses a Viscaria with a infinity vps handle.

Joe141
01-04-2019, 10:34 PM
Sorrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

NextLevel
01-04-2019, 10:44 PM
Hi guys
I snap up Chinese technique (long swing) needs some flexible wood type as outer layer instead of smth stiff like Koto or wulnut.
I wonder why pro's like fzd use Viscaria?


Why are you answering a question you have already answered? OF course it is not mandatory.

Mimobrok
01-04-2019, 11:08 PM
It's not. You can try for yourself. It will feel different but you can still play well with either.

FruitLoop
01-04-2019, 11:25 PM
Hi guys
I snap up Chinese technique (long swing) needs some flexible wood type as outer layer instead of smth stiff like Koto or wulnut.
I wonder why pro's like fzd use Viscaria?

I have heard such statements before. They are nonsense.

UpSideDownCarl
01-05-2019, 01:27 AM
Each player will have the best feel with different kinds of top plies. There are no real rules. Oh, except the ones I make up. But then I change them when a different circumstance requires it. :)

Alexwang
01-05-2019, 02:05 AM
Fan zhendong uses stiga infinity.
Koto pairs well with tacky rubber
fzd is using a viscaria for sure,

Alexwang
01-05-2019, 02:08 AM
Hi guys
I snap up Chinese technique (long swing) needs some flexible wood type as outer layer instead of smth stiff like Koto or wulnut.
I wonder why pro's like fzd use Viscaria?

i really think the.overall stiffness matters, i have n 301 and viscaria in my hands and they both use koto as outer layer, but n301 is noticable softer if not slower

M.Hoang
01-05-2019, 04:32 AM
i really think the.overall stiffness matters, i have n 301 and viscaria in my hands and they both use koto as outer layer, but n301 is noticable softer if not slower
can you compare the handle of viscaria and H301 or PG5 blade. I had a PG5 but it's handle is not really good for my BH. And i heard from some people that the handle of viscaria is very good for BH, and i want to try. Tks.

Alexwang
01-05-2019, 06:50 AM
can you compare the handle of viscaria and H301 or PG5 blade. I had a PG5 but it's handle is not really good for my BH. And i heard from some people that the handle of viscaria is very good for BH, and i want to try. Tks.

good point! i found out that this problem as well, dhs blades are quiet similar to stiga master handles, but viscaria has a narrow handle with tight shoulder, which are unique and allows u to hold closer to the racket.

Alexwang
01-05-2019, 06:56 AM
good point! i found out that this problem as well, dhs blades are quiet similar to stiga master handles, but viscaria has a narrow handle with tight shoulder, which are unique and allows u to hold closer to the racket.

viscaria are good for fh and bh transition. but if u get used to one shape, it should not be a problem

Alexwang
01-05-2019, 07:03 AM
can you compare the handle of viscaria and H301 or PG5 blade. I had a PG5 but it's handle is not really good for my BH. And i heard from some people that the handle of viscaria is very good for BH, and i want to try. Tks.

be noticed viscaria are quiet harder than my n301, with takes some time to get used to

M.Hoang
01-05-2019, 08:03 AM
good point! i found out that this problem as well, dhs blades are quiet similar to stiga master handles, but viscaria has a narrow handle with tight shoulder, which are unique and allows u to hold closer to the racket.
tks for your answer. so, DHS and stiga handle is smaller than viscaria? I am using sanwei fextra blade, after giving up PG5. All things is very good, but the handle of fextra is a litter bit fat for me, and i want to find another blade that has a thicker handle to PG5 but a bit smaller than sanwei. =)

iamsan
01-05-2019, 08:55 AM
Hey guys
Thanks for the reply, even tho the most are off-topic with Viscaria and Stiga.
I am still unsure if I should stay with limba or try out other thinks. I used a short time ma Lin offensive and disliked the quick release of the ball from the raquet. What about carbon as outer or inner layer? Will this destroy the "extra time release effect significantly"?

JST
01-05-2019, 09:10 PM
Hey guys
Thanks for the reply, even tho the most are off-topic with Viscaria and Stiga.
I am still unsure if I should stay with limba or try out other thinks. I used a short time ma Lin offensive and disliked the quick release of the ball from the raquet. What about carbon as outer or inner layer? Will this destroy the "extra time release effect significantly"?

My answer is: the only way to find if softer outer (e.g. Limba or Hinoki) or harder outer (e.g. Koto) suites you is to buy some blade and play with it at least 20h. This can be typically done in between seasons (if you have 2x2h trainings per week then one month is already good time to find out). There are many people who like one and not the other but as both groups are big you will get suggestions which suite their game not yours. And it's not about the game style and stroke technique only, it's also very much about the feel and that's nothing you can find in our advice.

I did the same, tried two blades with Limba and two blades with Koto and Aniger, the outcome was clear: I need softer feel for my topspin, especially from the BH. It cost me some money but it was worth it. And you can get decent blades with pretty much any composition of wood and artificial layers from Aliexpress starting at ~20USD (actually less but in the range of 20~30USD you will get better quality which is usually on par with most of Eur/Jp brands)

Then if inner or outer carbon/arylate layer makes your game better is another step. Outer ply mostly makes the "dwell time" perception while layers below are giving speed/power and also how much the whole blade flex and damps or holds vibrations. Again you can get decent blade in price range of 20~30 USD so give it a go. My outcome is that unless I will get much more time for practice (like at least 3x2h a week and with sparing on my or higher level) I will probably be fine with 5 or 7 ply wooden blades forever. EJ virus will keep striking back so I guess I will buy some more blades for experiments but I wouldn't be surprised if this conclusion stands. Most of players who are below 1700 elo in Europe or 1800 elo in USATT are probably the same case.

Btw. there is one more view to this: people who are playing on professional or semi-professional level says that change of the blade isn't the problem, if you have certain foundation and you train properly you will get used to many things. However that takes time in order of months. Testing blade or rubber during one training (like Dan and others are doing in their reviews on youtube) is one thing but really finding what it gives to you and what performance you can achieve with it is totally different. That's why most of serious players don't get EJ strikes very often and if they really switch the blade it's 3-4 times per career (which takes like 20 years and longer). So many couches recommend to maybe experiment in some period but then simply choose and stick with your equipment for years and rather work on your agility and technique to make perfect combination with it. And for people who don't have time and money (and maybe even skills and expertise) to experiment simply stick with the best thing they used so far. there are many high ranking players who are playing with 20-y-o material, they survived all the changes in ball size and speed glue ban and they just go on. In my low division many players still use Sriver rubbers and they are able to serve and spin incredibly. I have no idea how they accommodated to new balls and maybe they still use speed glue (no one will check on this level) but it tells me that maybe equipment and hours I spend reading forums like this isn't the important part of TT;)

eduardo1995filipe
01-05-2019, 09:45 PM
I like limba, but I also like koto outer for chinese rubber, if the blade has some flex at least for me it's ok. Koto gives a nice click. Great part of chinese players used Koto - Spruce - Ayous - Spruce - Koto combination(AVX P500, BTY Kong Linghui, Stiga Offensive Classic(old version)), so already in that times they liked koto outer!

FruitLoop
01-06-2019, 01:01 AM
Don't overthink this and spend time researching. Try a Limba blade, try a koto blade. Maybe try several of each that you like. Get some handle you like. Pick the one you like best. Stick with it. Go slow. Inner fiber is better than outer, all wood is better than both if you are an amateur player almost always. Picking something you have tested and love the feel of and then sticking with it is the most important thing though. If that's a Timo Boll ALC, so be it. Using that forever would be better than becoming an EJ.

M.Hoang
01-06-2019, 06:26 AM
really good answer. Buy some blades and try them, i have seen so many blades really good with the same structure with BTF blades or another with cheap price. they play very similarly =)))) and some things that you should care are the size of blades, handle.... They affect not small to you.