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eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 05:20 PM
Hi all,

Seems like there's not newer tensor short pip rubbers. It's because the upgrades to the latest gen ESN rubbers are useless to use on short pip rubbers?

Thanks,
Eduardo

brokenball
01-20-2019, 05:29 PM
What is tensor technology?
What does it do?
Do you know what a tensor is?
More importantly, what do you expect tensor technology to do for you?
ESN uses the word tensor as a marketing term that really doesn't mean anything.

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 05:41 PM
What is tensor technology?
What does it do?
Do you know what a tensor is?
More importantly, what do you expect tensor technology to do for you?
ESN uses the word tensor as a marketing term that really doesn't mean anything.

Sorry, my english isn't the best so I maybe couldn't explain me well.

For example, you have recent ESN rubbers, like Omega VII, Bluestorm, Rasanter, right? I'm asking why no brand(that requests his rubbers on ESN factory) makes a short pips rubber with the new upgrades from the latest gen ESN rubbers? Does the new upgrades from latest generation of ESN rubbers are useless for short pimples?

langel
01-20-2019, 05:57 PM
Hi all,

Seems like there's not newer tensor short pip rubbers. It's because the upgrades to the latest gen ESN rubbers are useless to use on short pip rubbers?

Thanks,
Eduardo

But its not true.

Look at Xiom Vega Spo and Xiom Zava.

FruitLoop
01-20-2019, 06:25 PM
I thought Nittaku Moristo SP (Ito's rubber) was ESN also.

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 06:46 PM
But its not true.

Look at Xiom Vega Spo and Xiom Zava.

But Vega Spo isn't that recent, it is? And I don't see Zava as an upgrade of Vega Spo, as they are softer(by watching specs)

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 06:47 PM
I thought Nittaku Moristo SP (Ito's rubber) was ESN also.

Yeah, I've confirmed! Thought they were made in Japan

mart1nandersson
01-20-2019, 06:48 PM
I thought Nittaku Moristo SP (Ito's rubber) was ESN also.

Aren’t both Moristo SP and Rakza PO both made in Japan?

zeio
01-20-2019, 07:51 PM
Hi all,

Seems like there's not newer tensor short pip rubbers. It's because the upgrades to the latest gen ESN rubbers are useless to use on short pip rubbers?

Thanks,
Eduardo

Ito is beating players with the Moristo SP that has been around since Apr 1, 2002. Same deal for inverted. The Fastarc G-1 Ito is using has been around since Jul 21, 2010. Newer isn't always better, but almost always pricier.

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 09:30 PM
Aren’t both Moristo SP and Rakza PO both made in Japan?

Both Germany, but seems Moristo is from Speed Glue era, as Zeio said

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 09:31 PM
Ito is beating players with the Moristo SP that has been around since Apr 1, 2002. Same deal for inverted. The Fastarc G-1 Ito is using has been around since Jul 21, 2010. Newer isn't always better, but almost always pricier.

Didn't knew that :o Thought Moristo was made after SG era!

mart1nandersson
01-20-2019, 09:46 PM
Both Germany, but seems Moristo is from Speed Glue era, as Zeio said

Ok. I've tried them both for about an hour each on two of my training partners blades (both use Viscaria). None of them are very fast if you compare them to modern ESN or Butterfly pips in rubbers. Rakza PO was way easier to use for someone who is used to pips in rubbers. Looping is quite easy (but not really the point with SP rubbers so I fail to understand the purpose of this rubber). Moristo SP is not that different to classical SP rubbers which really makes me admire Mima Ito even more.

eduardo1995filipe
01-20-2019, 10:55 PM
Ok. I've tried them both for about an hour each on two of my training partners blades (both use Viscaria). None of them are very fast if you compare them to modern ESN or Butterfly pips in rubbers. Rakza PO was way easier to use for someone who is used to pips in rubbers. Looping is quite easy (but not really the point with SP rubbers so I fail to understand the purpose of this rubber). Moristo SP is not that different to classical SP rubbers which really makes me admire Mima Ito even more.

Yeah, it's true!

Lula
01-21-2019, 09:12 AM
I can imagine that the companys that make rubbers do not focus as much on making short pimple rubbers since it it not many that use them compared to inverted, so maybe they do not make so much money from them? Just speculating.

langel
01-21-2019, 09:25 AM
Xiom Vega Spo is a 2016 generation and should be considered as modern at least as the well known Vega Pro.
Of course its true that we can not expect PO rubbers to be released as often as the reversed.

TableTennisNerd
01-21-2019, 10:43 AM
Hi all,

Seems like there's not newer tensor short pip rubbers. It's because the upgrades to the latest gen ESN rubbers are useless to use on short pip rubbers?

Thanks,
Eduardo
Smh...

eduardo1995filipe
01-21-2019, 12:54 PM
Smh...What?

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eduardo1995filipe
01-21-2019, 12:56 PM
I can imagine that the companys that make rubbers do not focus as much on making short pimple rubbers since it it not many that use them compared to inverted, so maybe they do not make so much money from them? Just speculating.Yeah probably it's that, but thought they could release a new SP rubber in every gen of ESN rubbers, at least on every gen of ESN that they upgraded something that could be useful for SP rubbers

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eduardo1995filipe
01-21-2019, 12:58 PM
Xiom Vega Spo is a 2016 generation and should be considered as modern at least as the well known Vega Pro.
Of course its true that we can not expect PO rubbers to be released as often as the reversed.Thought Vega SPO was from Vega Pro time. Wasn't Vega Pro released around 2010-2012?

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langel
01-21-2019, 01:29 PM
Thought Vega SPO was from Vega Pro time. Wasn't Vega Pro released around 2010-2012?

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Even earlier - about the end of 2009, and is still very very popular.
I don't know why you think that if its Vega, it should be old, Vega Tour is very fresh.
I see that SPO players would like to see more modern examples, but a 2016 tensor is pretty modern.
In fact have you ever tryed it?

zeio
01-21-2019, 02:02 PM
The latest short pips model made by ESN off the top of my head is the Moristo SP AX, released on Oct 10, 2018.

Nittaku describes the Moristo SP AX as the short pips rubber that bites, with a ball feeling similar to inverted rubber.

eduardo1995filipe
01-21-2019, 02:13 PM
Even earlier - about the end of 2009, and is still very very popular.
I don't know why you think that if its Vega, it should be old, Vega Tour is very fresh.
I see that SPO players would like to see more modern examples, but a 2016 tensor is pretty modern.
In fact have you ever tryed it?I didn't say that if its Vega it's old, I just thought that Vega Spo was released at the same time first Vega series, I know there's more recent Vega rubbers. Never tried it, I'm on inverted(for now, but would like to try SP after this season end, but that's not the reason for this question), I was just curious about this

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eduardo1995filipe
01-21-2019, 02:14 PM
The latest short pips model made by ESN off the top of my head is the Moristo SP AX, released on Oct 10, 2018.

Nittaku describes the Moristo SP AX as the short pips rubber that bites, with a ball feeling similar to inverted rubber.Yeap that one I know ;) but thought they we're also made in Japan

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Giovanni Greco
03-12-2019, 10:04 AM
There are a lot of SP and MP with speed glue effect incorporated; examples:
Spinlord Waran, Degu, Waran II as SP, Spinlord Keiler, Gipfelsturm, ORKan and ORKan II as MP.
Butterfly Impartial XS and XB, Flarestorm II and Raystorm are all SP with high tension, Feint AG is a LP with high tension.
TSP Spectol Speed Spong have speed glueing effect inside, also Spectol Red and Blue, Spinpips Red and Blue.
Other chinese pimples has speed gluing effect like Mistery sponge of Friendship.

haggisv
03-13-2019, 08:59 AM
Victas release 3 new ESN Tensor short pimples in the last few year, the VO>101, VO>102 and more recently the VO>103.

eduardo1995filipe
03-14-2019, 11:55 PM
Victas release 3 new ESN Tensor short pimples in the last few year, the VO>101, VO>102 and more recently the VO>103.

I already tried a Victas short pimple, but I didn't remember which one where :/ Didn't know about VO>103, are they raw?

eduardo1995filipe
03-15-2019, 12:00 AM
There are a lot of SP and MP with speed glue effect incorporated; examples:
Spinlord Waran, Degu, Waran II as SP, Spinlord Keiler, Gipfelsturm, ORKan and ORKan II as MP.
Butterfly Impartial XS and XB, Flarestorm II and Raystorm are all SP with high tension, Feint AG is a LP with high tension.
TSP Spectol Speed Spong have speed glueing effect inside, also Spectol Red and Blue, Spinpips Red and Blue.
Other chinese pimples has speed gluing effect like Mistery sponge of Friendship.

Yeah I have been searching also, and found some nice pimples! Also I changed to SP on BH! Orkan II it's what I'm planning to change as an upgrade for my 802-40! :) But not for now, in outseason where I'll have more time to pratice!