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Tajny1989
01-30-2019, 08:50 AM
https://youtu.be/NyjO3AztyeU

Lula
01-30-2019, 09:52 AM
Cool training! The coach seems to be good, nice feeling and all of your backhans is great. I think that both of you could try to have you elbow more in front of the body, so you can use the forearm and wrist a little more. I feel that if the elbow is more back the stroke become little more of a pushing motion were you do not use the forearm and wrist so much. But all coaches and players focus on different stuff, but in my opinion it is very important to have the elbow somewhat more in front of the body.

Tajny1989
01-30-2019, 11:12 AM
Cool training! The coach seems to be good, nice feeling and all of your backhans is great. I think that both of you could try to have you elbow more in front of the body, so you can use the forearm and wrist a little more. I feel that if the elbow is more back the stroke become little more of a pushing motion were you do not use the forearm and wrist so much. But all coaches and players focus on different stuff, but in my opinion it is very important to have the elbow somewhat more in front of the body.

You do not know Leszek Kucharski. See these matches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7hTCHHuvAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lJhhuXImbI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFGoNc72Eug

yogi_bear
01-30-2019, 12:03 PM
How old is he now? 60?

Tajny1989
01-30-2019, 09:58 PM
How old is he now? 60?
yes, yes

jawien
01-31-2019, 06:40 PM
yes, yes
59 :)

yoass
01-31-2019, 06:44 PM
59 :)

Wow. I saw him play when I was young, admired him greatly (still do) and to my mind he was 20 years my senior.

Not so! He would have been 75 now if that were true.

jawien
01-31-2019, 06:57 PM
Wow. I saw him play when I was young, admired him greatly (still do) and to my mind he was 20 years my senior.
Not so! He would have been 75 now if that were true.

He's still in good shape I believe and gives lessons as far as I know in Gdańsk ... : )
There was this National training center for junior girls in Cracow few years ago and Leszek was the main coach, so me and my colleges made friends with him. He used to give us those multiball training sessions just like the one on the video. Memorable moments for me, his observations and suggestions were always on spot. Really liked his in-depth understanding of the game ...

fais
01-31-2019, 08:41 PM
Can someone explain what the girl was doing wrong? Wish the vid was subbed

yoass
01-31-2019, 08:44 PM
Can someone explain what the girl was doing wrong? Wish the vid was subbed

I don’ speak polish, but I think he told her to not to block, but spin the ball over the table instead.

jawien
01-31-2019, 08:49 PM
Can someone explain what the girl was doing wrong? Wish the vid was subbed

I subbed it today. It is waiting for the review. :)

jawien
01-31-2019, 08:55 PM
I don’ speak polish, but I think he told her to not to block, but spin the ball over the table instead.

It was more about taking the proper swing with the forearm and not only the wrist. Hope I did it correctly, because the explanation was really good. Do you guys know how long the review process usually takes on the yt community? The vid was not mine, so it has to be reviewed ...

ttmonster
01-31-2019, 09:08 PM
The video looks really useful , I just wish it had English subtitles in it .. .

Tajny1989
02-03-2019, 10:04 AM
The video looks really useful , I just wish it had English subtitles in it .. .
The inscriptions are already there

FruitLoop
02-04-2019, 12:07 AM
Thanks for subbing, great video!

vik
02-04-2019, 09:45 AM
What happend to Polish table tennis?Where are new Grubba,Kucharski ,Blaszcyk

jawien
02-04-2019, 10:17 AM
What happend to Polish table tennis?Where are new Grubba,Kucharski ,Blaszcyk

Yeah ... nothing flashy since them : ) Daniel Górak was the leader of the NT for a while and was our hope, since he had good results in his juniors. He kept with the top of Europe throughout his seniors. Dyjas made actually great result during EC 2016 and now his team mates are Hugo, Gauzy and Woojin ... so great "training partners" for development ...

On the Women side I think we are very happy with Natalka Partyka. Even being physically impaired she fights on equal terms with the top of Europe and Asian girls ... great result this Top 16. I think she plays the same club as Renata Stribikova.

... yeah, but still no "supernova" since the age of Grubba, Leszek or ... Korbel ... :)

@ps ... Wait, wait a second ... I got myself thinking about those born in the Country. Jezz ... Li Qian Alicante 2018 EC - gold ... : )

Vrael
02-05-2019, 01:19 AM
Well, Maciej Kubik won Cadet Boys Singles Event at the 2018 STAG European Youth Championships. #81 U18, #92 U21.
He is playing in polish super league (at the age of 15) and his half year older teammate Samuel Kulczycki is #9 U18, #82 U21.

I think they might make pretty nice team with Dyjas in the future.

jawien
02-05-2019, 10:33 AM
Well, Maciej Kubik won Cadet Boys Singles Event at the 2018 STAG European Youth Championships. #81 U18, #92 U21.
He is playing in polish super league (at the age of 15) and his half year older teammate Samuel Kulczycki is #9 U18 [...]

I mostly follow Women Division ... Maciek Kubik 15 yo, I heard Harimoto saying this is a good age to play tt ; )

Yeah there are promising talents throughout the Europe too. Hope, this new wave will bring more balance to the force between the West and their Asian counterparts ...

729B2
02-05-2019, 02:33 PM
Seems to be a chinese backhand pretty much? AMAZING FIND

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 04:33 PM
Seems to be a chinese backhand pretty much? AMAZING FIND

People still think in terms of these things?

jawien
02-05-2019, 05:11 PM
People still think in terms of these things?

Forehand is certainly distinctive, but to be honest I never heard about the Chinese backhand ...

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 05:12 PM
Forehand is certainly distinctive, but to be honest I never heard about the Chinese backhand ...

Even the forehand is not that distinctive IMO but I will leave it at that. The question is always what are you looking at.

jawien
02-05-2019, 05:16 PM
Even the forehand is not that distinctive IMO but I will leave it at that. The question is always what are you looking at.

Seems like a nice start of a tt wars, but fh is very distinctive ... ; ) at least was till plastics. Now it's probably changing a little, if you had a closer look.

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 05:25 PM
Seems like a nice start of a tt wars, but fh is very distinctive ... ; ) at least was till plastics. Now it's probably changing a little, if you had a closer look.

A lot of the distinction is the speed and nature of the equipment and the fact that Europeans tend to train in structure later than the Chinese. But the essentials are the same. The Chinese also use better short game to get an early attack so they get easier chances to put away forehand.

In 2015, Ma Long started doing a grip switch for his backhand that is very similar to the one that Boll or Dima do and no one was saying that Ma Long is copying Timo Boll. In the end, it all depends on what you are looking at.

jawien
02-05-2019, 05:38 PM
A lot of the distinction is the speed and nature of the equipment and the fact that Europeans tend to train in structure later than the Chinese. But the essentials are the same. The Chinese also use better short game to get an early attack so they get easier chances to put away forehand.

In 2015, Ma Long started doing a grip switch for his backhand that is very similar to the one that Boll or Dima do and no one was saying that Ma Long is copying Timo Boll. In the end, it all depends on what you are looking at.

Sure, but you certainly must acknowledge the physical aspects of this stroke ans substantial body movement being involved. Zhang Jike could be a good example, very low on his legs relatively with an open arm. Comparing him with Timo (to make it easier) seems the technique wise these were two different worlds ...

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 05:48 PM
Sure, but you certainly must acknowledge the physical aspects of this stroke ans substantial body movement being involved. Zhang Jike could be a good example, very low on his legs relatively with an open arm. Comparing him with Timo (to make it easier) seems the technique wise these were two different worlds ...

Not sure what you are trying to say. That Timo Boll is not low on his legs? Or that Timo cannot play with a more open arm if his equipment was slower? Or that Timo does not use substantial body movement when playing his stroke?

RidTheKid
02-05-2019, 05:51 PM
Ma Long also did an equipment change going from T05 to H3 on his bh. That made his bh from *eh* to *wow*


A lot of the distinction is the speed and nature of the equipment and the fact that Europeans tend to train in structure later than the Chinese. But the essentials are the same. The Chinese also use better short game to get an early attack so they get easier chances to put away forehand.

In 2015, Ma Long started doing a grip switch for his backhand that is very similar to the one that Boll or Dima do and no one was saying that Ma Long is copying Timo Boll. In the end, it all depends on what you are looking at.

jawien
02-05-2019, 06:03 PM
Not sure what you are trying to say. That Timo Boll is not low on his legs? Or that Timo cannot play with a more open arm if his equipment was slower? Or that Timo does not use substantial body movement when playing his stroke?

No no, I'm not saying Timo could not do that, if he was using something slower (would he be as effective, hard to say). Looking at the basic fh stroke, you certainly must agree they drop their arm much lower and the power is generated differently, by using legs and hips to a much higher degree ... Timo would get low on his legs true, but than use his forearm and the wrist. But this is what has crystallized in my head back in the cell era. Things are slightly changing now, for sure ...

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 06:08 PM
No no, I'm not saying Timo could not do that, if he was using something slower (would he be as effective, hard to say). Looking at the basic fh stroke, you certainly must agree they drop their arm much lower and the power is generated differently, by using legs and hips to a much higher degree ... Timo would get low on his legs true, but than use his forearm and the wrist. But this is what has crystallized in my head back in the cell era. Things are slightly changing now, for sure ...

Yeah the plastic ball is harder to move. And Chinese coaches are now everywhere. That is why I am saying that these things have gone now. People should just start understanding good technique and understand the special uniqueness of someone like Timo or Maze with excessive wrist rather than making it sound like Ma Long is from Mars and Timo is from Venus.

NextLevel
02-05-2019, 06:10 PM
Ma Long also did an equipment change going from T05 to H3 on his bh. That made his bh from *eh* to *wow*

I heard that they use different rubbers and can go between H3 and Tenergy. But yes, that changed too. But the technical change was far more pronounced, I remember a couple of people wondering whether Ma Long was playing like an amateur with his thumb so high and flat on the rubber.

729B2
02-06-2019, 01:28 AM
nothing to do with a war just after facts
guess backhands are simular now thanks ittf for making the sport more boring =( and killing off styles :/

jawien
02-06-2019, 03:43 PM
Yeah the plastic ball is harder to move. And Chinese coaches are now everywhere. That is why I am saying that these things have gone now. People should just start understanding good technique and understand the special uniqueness of someone like Timo or Maze with excessive wrist rather than making it sound like Ma Long is from Mars and Timo is from Venus.

Funny, because this is a backhand topic, but it would be interesting to check how CNT adopted their fh technique, their practice routines for the 'plastics'. I have a friend who was very good in punching balls, he has this short forearm and wrist movement, like a lightening. I think, he is doing much better now with the abs'es. Before he had problems countering the rotation, now it almost a routine for him.

Tajny1989
03-10-2019, 07:03 PM
https://youtu.be/KNtiBtiA0dA

Tajny1989
04-11-2019, 02:33 PM
https://youtu.be/gcQlA5cEJV0