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yogi_bear
02-25-2019, 02:28 AM
Golden Tango
Weight: 71 grams uncut
Thickness: Max
Speed: OFF+
Spin: Extremely high
Hardness: 54 degrees


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Golden Tango PS
Weight: 71 grams uncut
Thickness: Max
Speed: OFF
Hardness: 50 degrees

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Joola Tango vs Joola Tango PS

I had the chance to test both rubbers on different blades. I always expect testing and using ESN rubbers that are tacky since I am a tacky rubber user. Both rubbers are tacky fresh from the box and they have a sticky surface that you can feel from Chinese rubbers. Both of them seem to have an identical topsheet but they differ in the sponge make up and also the hardness of their sponges. The Tango is 54 degrees while the Tango PS has a 50 degree sponge. The sponge of the Golden Tango is a creamy white colored sponge while the PS version has this pink or purple sponge that is similar to the sponges of the Rhyzer series. In fact, it is similar to the Rhyzer 50’s sponge hardness which is 50 degrees also.

I used the 3 PBO blades for the 2 rubbers – Nobilis, Zelebro and Energon. I used both rubbers on each side just to have a direct comparison and also to check the differences. The Tango PS is outright more reactive than the regular Tango because the sponge is significantly softer and will give you more speed if both rubbers are hit the same way and depth of compression with the sponge is also the same but the regular Tango can be faster if it reaches a certain threshold. It will give you more speed and power once you compressed the sponge enough. Both rubbers are very bouncy on fh-fh drives or bh-bh drives with the Tango PS initially being more bouncy up to some point of sponge compression. I would say the speed of the Tango regular is the same with the Rhyzer 50. If not for the tackiness of the regular Tango, I think the Tango can be faster but it is limited to a point because the rubber is tacky. The PS version is slower than the Rhyzer 50 despite having the same sponge hardness or identical sponge makeup. Again, tackiness of the topsheet is the one that causes the reduction in speed. On harder shots like smashes or loop drives, the regular Tango definitely gives you more speed and power. What I like with both rubbers is that both are easier to smash with compare to a commercial untuned Hurricane 3. The 2 Tango rubbers seem to have factory boosting. With their speed it is not hard to assume that both have tuning on the sponge. For smashing, the PS version is easier to smash with.

If we will be talking about spin, generating spin with both rubbers are easier compared to Hurricane because of the bounciness of the sponge. The Hurricane 3 commercial version has this deadness in the bounce and also has a tackier surface resulting to decreased energy transfer from the sponge to the ball there reducing also the rebound speed. With both the Tango versions, there is significantly more power transferred which helps in generating spin easier for topspins. The PS version is the easier rubber to produce spin if you are the type to compress the sponge more and with less brushing. The regular Tango version can give you more amount of spin if you have developed a brushing technique that is above intermediate level. The regular Tango will reward you with more spin even with just brushing the ball thinly while the PS version will give you an easier time to produce spin but it involves the sponge also. The regular Tango has a lower arc than the PS version when looping the ball. In short, the PS version is more forgiving when it comes to looping underspin because it is easier to handle and can clear the net easily because of its medium arc. The regular Tango version when used right can has a good low-flying loops which are harder to block than the PS version.

For serves, the regular Tango is indeed has more spin as you can feel the ball easily gripped by the topsheet. For underspin pushes, again the regular Tango is also spinnier. Both rubbers are excellent with dropshots as both can give you short, low returns that are easy to control. For blocking, due to the softer sponge, the PS version will give you better control and handling when returning strong topspin attacks. The regular Tango give a faster and more powerful rebound on blocks once the topspin get stronger and when you are blocking with it, the balls bounces quickly and for some lower level players, it is better if they use the PS version.
All in all, the regular Tango is awesome if you have the right amount of skill to use it. I would suggest that it will be used by advanced level of players while the PS version can be used as early as an intermediate level of player because it is easier to use.

yogi_bear
03-17-2019, 05:34 PM
added a comparison of both rubbers.

Trev
03-18-2019, 02:56 AM
how much does cost in the Philippines coach and where can I buy it online?

yogi_bear
03-18-2019, 03:50 AM
Try greenpaddle.com

BryanY
03-20-2019, 09:32 PM
Nice review! I'm wondering how you would compare it to other hybrid rubbers? Genesis II, K1, etc...


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yogi_bear
03-21-2019, 01:38 AM
Defintely harder than Genesis 2 m. I think Genesis 2 M is only at 47 degrees. The Tango PS especially has a profound euro feel. The K1 Pro is almost similar to PS version.

darkmoor1
08-10-2019, 07:54 PM
An excellent rubber that works very well on backhand too! A combination of PS on backhand and a regular one on forehand wouldn't be a bad thing.

yogi_bear
08-10-2019, 08:25 PM
Yeah it would work like the one i have right now which is vega china for my bh.

hrbngr
10-26-2019, 03:47 AM
Any differences on the Golden Tango between the black and red sheets performance wise?

haggisv
10-27-2019, 03:23 AM
Black does seem a little tackier to me.

Matthias Ngai
10-27-2019, 04:10 PM
Interestingly, my coach is using the golden tango for his FH. I tried this rubber 3 weeks ago as well, before deciding to change from xiom vega pro to hurricane. It's a high gear rubber, it can produce good spin as well as pace. But I feel like this rubber is for players who like to hit or smash, or doesn't brush and loop the ball as often like I am.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

yogi_bear
10-28-2019, 07:45 PM
You can definitely brush but better if you compress the sponge.

An0n
10-29-2019, 12:54 AM
I've had the same problem with Tibhar k1/k2 in terms of brushing, nearly impossible for me. I needed a lot of forward momentum in the stroke (engage the sponge like Yogi said) or the ball would just not make it over the net. I guess it's just a charecteristic of sticky hybrid rubbers, one I did not expect I might add.

yogi_bear
10-29-2019, 08:57 AM
Tibhar k1 or k2 seem to get very tacky as time goes by.

piligrim
10-29-2019, 03:40 PM
I've had the same problem with Tibhar k1/k2 in terms of brushing, nearly impossible for me. I needed a lot of forward momentum in the stroke (engage the sponge like Yogi said) or the ball would just not make it over the net. I guess it's just a charecteristic of sticky hybrid rubbers, one I did not expect I might add.



there is no problem to brush with K1

An0n
10-29-2019, 04:22 PM
there is no problem to brush with K1

Well it might obviously be just a personal thing but I couldn't brush like I can with my H3 or even D05 at all. Had to use a completely different motion then what I was used to, the spin was there but the ball just didn't get the arc I wanted. K1 and K2 are nice rubbers, very tacky and pretty fast but they just didn't suit me very well I guess.

Maybe I'll try the Golden Tango's sometime but I doubt they will be much different.

BryanY
10-29-2019, 05:10 PM
You can definitely brush but better if you compress the sponge.

Is that your opinion for both the regular Golden Tango and the PS version? Or just the softer PS version?

(I have only tried PS)

yogi_bear
10-29-2019, 05:54 PM
Both actually

Kuba Hajto
06-14-2020, 07:16 PM
Sry for digging this up, but would you mind comparing those rubbers with Vega China?

doppelganger_LT
06-16-2020, 12:05 PM
By the way, just tried Golden Tango PS vs the new tacky hybrid Rakza Z, maybe somebody will find this useful. Rakza Z feels quite close in hardness to the GTPS, but the arc of the Rakza Z is significantly higher and it's much easier to lift the ball on the topspin vs backspin - does not require as much brushing and provides some catapult.

Kuba Hajto
06-16-2020, 01:07 PM
By the way, just tried Golden Tango PS vs the new tacky hybrid Rakza Z, maybe somebody will find this useful. Rakza Z feels quite close in hardness to the GTPS, but the arc of the Rakza Z is significantly higher and it's much easier to lift the ball on the topspin vs backspin - does not require as much brushing and provides some catapult.

How do they compare in perceived hardness (not hardness rating)? Which is easier to handle in general?

doppelganger_LT
06-16-2020, 08:58 PM
Both feel very very similar in hardness, maybe Tango PS feels a hair softer on some shots, e. g. faster topsin or harder block. Rakza Z feels more alive, a little more bouncy but with superb short game control. Tango PS is a touch stickier, but it's easier to lift the ball with the Rakza Z.




How do they compare in perceived hardness (not hardness rating)? Which is easier to handle in general?

virtuososiu
08-12-2020, 04:25 AM
Both feel very very similar in hardness, maybe Tango PS feels a hair softer on some shots, e. g. faster topsin or harder block. Rakza Z feels more alive, a little more bouncy but with superb short game control. Tango PS is a touch stickier, but it's easier to lift the ball with the Rakza Z.
thanks for the comparision, its really helpfully actually

Kuba Hajto
08-30-2020, 02:21 PM
After 8 hours of training I found Joola Golden Tango PS unusable on FH. It's a decent BH rubber though if someone really wants a semi tacky rubber :| I couldn't adapt to rubber softness.

darkmoor1
08-31-2020, 02:20 PM
After 8 hours of training I found Joola Golden Tango PS unusable on FH. It's a decent BH rubber though if someone really wants a semi tacky rubber :| I couldn't adapt to rubber softness.

If that's an issue, add a layer of concrete paste next time you re gluing a FH rubber.

IB66
08-31-2020, 07:39 PM
I preferred the GT on the backhand side when I used it a year or so ago.
later tried the GT PS which was also good, faster and more catapult, but I just liked the GT slightly more.
both are good hybrid rubbers.

nymose
09-06-2020, 01:27 AM
How is Golden Tango PS compared to FX-S in terms of speed, bounce and spin?

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Kuba Hajto
09-06-2020, 05:44 AM
Golden Tango PS is much harder and faster. Golden Tango ps seemed spinner to me. I had the fxs for 10-15 minutes. Keep in mind big difference in hardness.

nymose
09-06-2020, 11:20 AM
Okay cool, I'm looking for a medium Hard sponge like 'cj8000 36-38' degrees (But it's really medium hard). There was a used 'fx-p' rubber on a borrowing racket in the club. I squeezed it and it seemed just slightly softer than 'cj8000 36-38'. So if 'FX-S' is slightly harder, then I guess it's a match ;)


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CLV
09-06-2020, 05:07 PM
How does the GT compare to a boosted hurricane 3 provincial. I use 2 layers of falcon.

IB66
09-06-2020, 06:23 PM
How does the GT compare to a boosted hurricane 3 provincial. I use 2 layers of falcon.

Hi,

I have boosted H3 provincial but 37 degrees, boosted 2 layers glue plus 2 layers Seamoon. GT unboosted feels harder, less catapult, speed seems slower (I use it on BH) spin for both are comparable, I did try the GT on forehand and it’s just as fast as the H3, which contradicts when I said ‘speed seems slower’ but the FH is a different kettle of fish!! GT hard sponge is engaged more as you can impart more power on the FH side, then the rubber becomes faster and has a good amount of gears.

Kuba Hajto
09-11-2020, 07:21 AM
Got measurement of 35 degrees on brand new sheet of PS version. Shore A durometer.

IB66
09-11-2020, 10:31 AM
Got measurement of 35 degrees on brand new sheet of PS version. Shore A durometer.

GT PS is listed as 50 degree on the Joola online shop, (shore O) which is close to 35 degrees Shore A
GT is listed as 54 degree, about 41 degrees shore A

have you checked the GT sponge?

Kuba Hajto
09-11-2020, 10:50 AM
GT PS is listed as 50 degree on the Joola online shop, (shore O) which is close to 35 degrees Shore A
GT is listed as 54 degree, about 41 degrees shore A

have you checked the GT sponge?
35 I would guess is less then 50. My durometer shore O will arrive next week.

Haggisv measured Golden Tango PS and its 55 Shore O according to him.

IB66
09-11-2020, 12:40 PM
35 I would guess is less then 50. My durometer shore O will arrive next week.

Haggisv measured Golden Tango PS and its 55 Shore O according to him.

GT PS at 55 Or GT ?

Kuba Hajto
09-11-2020, 12:48 PM
GT PS at 55 Or GT ?

As I said in the post you quoted, GT PS. https://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/sponge-hardness-table/

Here is the source. Maybe Joola has shitty quality control. Although upon inspection:
Shore O = ESN + ~2.5

My Shore O durometer is in transit, I will post results here when it arrives.

IB66
09-11-2020, 01:13 PM
As I said in the post you quoted, GT PS. https://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/sponge-hardness-table/

Here is the source. Maybe Joola has shitty quality control. Although upon inspection:
Shore O = ESN + ~2.5

My Shore O durometer is in transit, I will post results here when it arrives.

If he measured GT PS at 55 shore O then definitely shitty quality control !!!!

Kuba Hajto
09-11-2020, 01:20 PM
If he measured GT PS at 55 shore O then definitely shitty quality control !!!!

Not really. Vega China is marketed at 55 and measures 60. ESN just don't use Shore O. One of users here posted they might use asker scale or something like this. That's why I usually relate to it as ESN scale. Also there is some degree of variance between sponges. It won't be exactly that number.

That's why I bought both Shore O and Shore A durometer, to test what hardness my rubber actually have. Aliexpress sellers prepare for disputes, lolz XD

I am going also write a short article about actual hardnesses. I collected a lot of pieces of rubbers, I wonder what am I going to discover.

Sedis
09-11-2020, 02:06 PM
I have a Shore O durometer. I am pretty sure I measured Golden Tango PS at around 50° (I can't find my notes at the moment to confirm)

For reference, I normally get a reading close to, or a degree higher than the ESN quoted hardness, which would suggest the sheet I had was 49/50° ESN

Edit: it was 50°, I wrote about it the the third post on this thread: Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19766-Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version)
(https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19766-Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version)

IB66
09-11-2020, 04:45 PM
I have a Shore O durometer. I am pretty sure I measured Golden Tango PS at around 50° (I can't find my notes at the moment to confirm)

For reference, I normally get a reading close to, or a degree higher than the ESN quoted hardness, which would suggest the sheet I had was 49/50° ESN

Edit: it was 50°, I wrote about it the the third post on this thread: Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19766-Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version)
(https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19766-Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version)


which is as listed by joola, there’s definitely variances but 5 degrees seems a little wide of the mark for me!! That’s a big difference!!

IB66
09-11-2020, 05:03 PM
Not really. Vega China is marketed at 55 and measures 60. ESN just don't use Shore O. One of users here posted they might use asker scale or something like this. That's why I usually relate to it as ESN scale. Also there is some degree of variance between sponges. It won't be exactly that number.

That's why I bought both Shore O and Shore A durometer, to test what hardness my rubber actually have. Aliexpress sellers prepare for disputes, lolz XD

I am going also write a short article about actual hardnesses. I collected a lot of pieces of rubbers, I wonder what am I going to discover.

Yeah it will be very interesting to see what results you get!!! Excellent !!!


Are you removing the sponge from the top sheet? To test on its own?
Then you have a piece of top sheet without sponge that could be tested as well !!!
Can the rubber (combined sponge and top sheet) be tested?
it would be good to see how the ‘feel’ of a rubber is reached, sort of like - soft sponge/hard top sheet feels similar to hard sponge/soft top sheet !!!!! And the rubber combos ( top sheet and sponge) have similar overall hardnesses ???

nymose
09-22-2020, 10:50 PM
I would like to know how Hard the Tango PS actually is compared to cj8000 36-38, which to me feels medium-hard :)

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yogi_bear
09-23-2020, 12:24 AM
I would like to know how Hard the Tango PS actually is compared to cj8000 36-38, which to me feels medium-hard :)

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36 degrees cj8000 is softer even the 38 degree version.

nymose
09-23-2020, 01:19 AM
36 degrees cj8000 is softer even the 38 degree version.Okay thanks. Well it's just called 36-38 for the same version. I guess because it can vary a bit.
Would GTPS be closer to the 40-42 version then?

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