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Loopadoop
04-01-2019, 09:23 PM
Yokohama Japan

Loopadoop
04-01-2019, 09:34 PM
Table - Victas VF 25w

Ball - TSP CP 40+***

16 Men
16 Women

....

driversbeat
04-01-2019, 11:28 PM
Not going go be terribly interesting without Mima Ito. With all the hype surrounding her I think people tend to forget that she hasn't proven herself in Singles events of major tournaments yet (i.e. no medal in Olympics, WTTC or Women's World Cup) and I think Miu Hirano constantly getting the nod over her for these events have at least some influence on that.

Vlad Celler
04-02-2019, 10:47 AM
Interest - only for MS ....http://mytabletennis.net/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif
WS - perfectly predictable winners ...http://mytabletennis.net/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

And not the fact that Ishikawa and Hirano will be on 3 - 4 place ....

SFF_lib
04-02-2019, 11:11 AM
Japan is the place of upset, just like in Japan open last year. Will see how prepared are the CNT.

Vlad Celler
04-02-2019, 11:22 AM
WS - without Hayata Hina , Ito Mima and nothing to watch .... The final is known in advance .....

Janard
04-02-2019, 12:43 PM
Sorry, the format for Asian Cup has always been a bit confusing for me. Am I right to assume that the seeded players (12 in total) will be allocated into three groups (A, B, C) and each group cannot contain players from the same association? Those who ended up as first and second in each group will advance to Stage 2. The last four of the 16 registered players will be pitting each other in the so-called "Continental Cup" (Group D)?

Following which, the players who only placed third in Groups A, B and C will duke it out with the winner of the Continental Cup to determine two more slots for the main draw. Is there any reason why there is a need to carry out this additional step? Why can't the top two performing players of each group just progress automatically?

Vlad Celler
04-02-2019, 01:13 PM
Personally, I also do not quite understand ......But last year was the same ....
:(

Loopadoop
04-02-2019, 01:21 PM
Hirano might pull another major upset here.

zeio
04-02-2019, 01:39 PM
Sorry, the format for Asian Cup has always been a bit confusing for me. Am I right to assume that the seeded players (12 in total) will be allocated into three groups (A, B, C) and each group cannot contain players from the same association? Those who ended up as first and second in each group will advance to Stage 2. The last four of the 16 registered players will be pitting each other in the so-called "Continental Cup" (Group D)?

Following which, the players who only placed third in Groups A, B and C will duke it out with the winner of the Continental Cup to determine two more slots for the main draw. Is there any reason why there is a need to carry out this additional step? Why can't the top two performing players of each group just progress automatically?

Primarily because the East Asian countries are too strong? So it's implemented as some kind of safety-net?

http://www.jtta.or.jp/tournament/tabid/125/rptid/465/Default.aspx

12. 試合方法

第1ステージ
* 上位12名の選手は、グループA,B,Cの3グループに分かれます。
(同じ協会の選手が同一グループにならないよう、抽選会で調整が行われる)
* 各地域代表者(南・南東・西・中央アジア)は、グループDとする。
* リーグ戦形式で1試合5ゲームマッチ
* 各グループの上位2名が第2ステージに進出。各グループの3位の選手は、グループDの1位の選手を交え、第2ステージののこり2枠をかけて試合を行います。
第2ステージ
* トーナメント形式で1試合7ゲームマッチ
12. Competition Format

Stage 1
* The top 12 players are divided into three groups, Groups A, B and C.
(Adjustments will be made at the draw so that players from the same association will not be in the same group)
* The regional representatives (South, Southeast, West, Central Asia) are in Group D.
* 1 best-of-5 match in round-robin format
* The top 2 players of each group advance to the second stage. The 3rd-placed players of each group and the 1st-placed player of Group D will compete for the 2 remaining slots in Stage 2.
Stage 2
* 1 best-of-7 match in knock-out format

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-02-2019, 05:15 PM
Hirano might pull another major upset here.

looking at her recent form, the only one upset is herself and her fans (including myself)

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-03-2019, 08:40 AM
https://www.ittf.com/2019/04/01/8-questions-kasumi-ishikawa/

driversbeat
04-03-2019, 10:07 AM
Personally I'd prefer if they did a continental cup apart from the 16 selected just like the old world cup version. So many top players miss out on the Asian Cup because 4 token slots are being taken.

usualsuspect
04-03-2019, 04:33 PM
Japan is the place of upset, just like in Japan open last year. Will see how prepared are the CNT.

I seem to recall that FZD and LGY took both gold and silver at Asian Cup 2018 (also in Yokohama); they also took gold and silver at Asian Cup 2017 too. ML and FZD took both gold and silver in Japan open 2017, while FZD took gold in 2016.

So... as much as I like upsets against the Chinese, history suggests that Japan is not quite the place of upset in recent years... Just my humble opinion.

Michal_Z
04-03-2019, 05:21 PM
So what are the seeds for men and women?

SFF_lib
04-03-2019, 08:11 PM
I seem to recall that FZD and LGY took both gold and silver at Asian Cup 2018 (also in Yokohama); they also took gold and silver at Asian Cup 2017 too. ML and FZD took both gold and silver in Japan open 2017, while FZD took gold in 2016.

So... as much as I like upsets against the Chinese, history suggests that Japan is not quite the place of upset in recent years... Just my humble opinion.

As much as I dislike the modern style of Harimoto and LGY, I would love to see Ma Long to succeed this time. I hope he's back in 100% which is unbeatable.

Shifu
04-03-2019, 08:56 PM
No one is unbeatable. 2017 WTTC final was a super close game and also Timo Boll was leading 8-4 and then lost the set, if he had won, 3:3, who knows what would have happened in the 7th. With only 11 points per set no one is unbeatable.

NextLevel
04-03-2019, 09:18 PM
No one is unbeatable. 2017 WTTC final was a super close game and also Timo Boll was leading 8-4 and then lost the set, if he had won, 3:3, who knows what would have happened in the 7th. With only 11 points per set no one is unbeatable.

Yeah. We all know the theory. But Ma Long is reality.:p

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-04-2019, 12:43 AM
I will be attending on Saturday :-)

Loopadoop
04-04-2019, 02:50 AM
I will be attending on Saturday :-)

Take a blank blade for autographs !

Vlad Celler
04-04-2019, 07:44 AM
Hirano "lucky" ...:(

Z.Y.L.
Hirano Miu
Doo Hoi Kem
Suthasini


And really lucky Ishikawa .....
Ishikawa
F.T.
SUH Hyowon
Chen Szu-Yu

Janard
04-04-2019, 08:06 AM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F4trPzD7%2F56696979-2707812119248774-3923109495663755264-o.jpg

Ma Long flanked by the two young prodigies. If he intends to make a statement, this will be the time.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F9qK2c4m%2F56842807-2707812112582108-2405139509181153280-o.jpg

jawien
04-04-2019, 10:22 AM
Harimoto vs Ma Long in the same group, nice.

SFF_lib
04-04-2019, 10:23 AM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fi.ibb.co%252F4trPzD7%252F56696979-2707812119248774-3923109495663755264-o.jpg

Ma Long flanked by the two young prodigies. If he intends to make a statement, this will be the time.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fi.ibb.co%252F9qK2c4m%252F56842807-2707812112582108-2405139509181153280-o.jpg

First time ML meets Harimoto after ML's loss in Japan open last year. ML's service return was sky-high last year. Hopefully he will handle Harimoto's serve better.

zeio
04-04-2019, 10:35 AM
11:00
Harimoto vs LYJ

15:00
Harimoto vs ML

18:00
ML vs LYJ

Also-ran, Achanta.

jawien
04-04-2019, 10:39 AM
... and Lin Yun Ju, men's group B is packed ...

Janard
04-04-2019, 10:50 AM
Hirano "lucky" ...:(

Z.Y.L.
Hirano Miu
Doo Hoi Kem
Suthasini


And really lucky Ishikawa .....
Ishikawa
F.T.
SUH Hyowon
Chen Szu-Yu

Not sure if she's lucky. I think they are all rather evenly matched for now, maybe except Chen Szu-yu.

NextLevel
04-04-2019, 12:29 PM
Not sure if she's lucky. I think they are all rather evenly matched for now, maybe except Chen Szu-yu.
She got a chopper. She is lucky.

Vlad Celler
04-04-2019, 01:18 PM
NextLevel (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?21501-NextLevel)

....She got a chopper. She is lucky.
:)

usualsuspect
04-04-2019, 02:49 PM
Harimoto and Hirano need to be careful. It's possible for them to not place in the top two of their respective groups. ML and LYJ both have the potential to defeat Harimoto. ZYL and DHK could both defeat Hirano. Those are two tough groups.

NextLevel
04-04-2019, 03:39 PM
Harimoto and Hirano need to be careful. It's possible for them to not place in the top two of their respective groups. ML and LYJ both have the potential to defeat Harimoto. ZYL and DHK could both defeat Hirano. Those are two tough groups.

Everyone needs to be careful in that Ma Long group. And while Achanta is the designated whipping boy, he is experienced enough to take advantage of anyone who had a bad day.

Janard
04-04-2019, 04:02 PM
Harimoto and Hirano need to be careful. It's possible for them to not place in the top two of their respective groups. ML and LYJ both have the potential to defeat Harimoto. ZYL and DHK could both defeat Hirano. Those are two tough groups.

I wouldn't mind seeing Hirano shine for once actually. She has been severely fodderised since her win in 2017. Not a fan of ZYL but would be interesting to see whether she has upped her game.

Zaid323918
04-04-2019, 04:36 PM
ML's gonna have his work cut out for him. FZD not so much.

dchow1992
04-04-2019, 05:01 PM
does anyone know if / where this will be streamed?

Table Tennis Reborn
04-04-2019, 05:30 PM
Harimoto vs Ma Long this is going to be a thriller. Can I watch this live?

driversbeat
04-04-2019, 06:45 PM
Luckily 3rd placed finishers still get a chance to progress into the quarterfinals, although those who progress this way usually end up meeting the chinese 2nd place and above is a must if you want to have a chance at medalling.

usualsuspect
04-04-2019, 07:12 PM
Harimoto vs Ma Long this is going to be a thriller. Can I watch this live?

I love this match, but I hate it for Harimoto's sake. I feel like win or lose, it won't work in Harimoto's favor.
ML is a master tactician. With his experience, he will be able to pick apart all of Harimoto's techniques and tactics after the match and convey them to the entire CNT.
Harimoto facing ML this close to the WTTC is almost guaranteeing his own defeat a couple weeks later.
But I guess we'll see...

Ioiettino
04-04-2019, 07:35 PM
Close one. I want Ma Long to win but wouldn't be anywhere as comfortable as you are making pronostics. Also, again really curious about Lin Yun Ju. I think he has a chance against Harimoto who seems to struggle a little when he is the clear favourite. What a group.

RidTheKid
04-04-2019, 07:41 PM
So no news about possible streams?

Loopadoop
04-04-2019, 08:37 PM
Check one of these, should be a live stream:

Official ITTF YouTube channel

ITTF TV

dchow1992
04-04-2019, 09:11 PM
cool, didn't see anything for day one though

dchow1992
04-04-2019, 09:11 PM
sorry for the double post, needed 5 to post links.
here's the youtube playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Wjp1aN0ak&list=PLIl_mJ3zK7B8RuaEYrDvqx7UoLktz6TWu&index=4

guni4you
04-05-2019, 01:53 AM
Are the matches gonna be streamed live on ittf website?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-05-2019, 02:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVR8RWPGYM8
from tomorrow as well

if you have access to TV Tokyo, i think they have a program from 4pm today. So perhaps MA Long v HARIMOTO and NIWA v LEE

Loopadoop
04-05-2019, 02:52 AM
Only one upset so far
Group D

India Manika Batra 2-3 Mahshid Ashtari Iran

Janard
04-05-2019, 03:04 AM
Only one upset so far
Group D

India Manika Batra 2-3 Mahshid Ashtari Iran

Jang Woojin 2-3 Kirill Gerassimenko

mrk
04-05-2019, 03:09 AM
Harimoto - Lin Yun-Ju 3-1

It wasn't easy, Harimoto 0-1 down and then won the second with 15-13. Last two sets no chance for Lin Yun-Ju.

drunix80
04-05-2019, 03:33 AM
Waiting for ML vs Harimoto now. My prediction is 3:1 win for HM. Will be happy if ML proves me wrong.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-05-2019, 03:40 AM
Chorei

Nemo
04-05-2019, 04:40 AM
Thanks for sharing the YouTube playlists, @dchow1992 and @Takkyu_wa_innochi !

Such a shame that there seem to be no streams for day1, though. Imo, it's not like the first day is any less interesting than the other two days.

zeio
04-05-2019, 05:39 AM
ZYL 3-1 Hirano.

RidTheKid
04-05-2019, 05:46 AM
How and where do you follow the matches?


ZYL 3-1 Hirano.

Nemo
04-05-2019, 05:49 AM
Probably through http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5061/results_2019-04-05.html
Unfortunately the tracker doesn't seem to update live. It just pops in the final result from what I saw.

Shifu
04-05-2019, 06:03 AM
No stream? :((((

Nemo
04-05-2019, 06:08 AM
Yes, for today's day 1 no stream it seems. Only a "live" tracker that doesn't track live ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:15 AM
Harimoto vs ML about to start now.

Janard
04-05-2019, 06:21 AM
Oh dear, FTW 3-0 Ishikawa. Mmm. @zeio?

Loopadoop
04-05-2019, 06:23 AM
Group C Upset

Kasumi Ishikawa 0-3 Tianwei Feng

Nemo
04-05-2019, 06:24 AM
Oh dear, FTW 3-0 Ishikawa. Mmm. @zeio?
Ishikawa probably found out FTW was born in China

matzreenzi
04-05-2019, 06:28 AM
Live stream for ml vs ht pleaseee....

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:29 AM
Oh dear, FTW 3-0 Ishikawa. Mmm. @zeio?
https://blog.kkday.com/wp-content/uploads/batch_IMG_9934.jpg

Not surprised here. Ishikawa has always had a hard time against FTW in singles. Most of her wins are in team event. Look it up. It's bizarre.

Bashar Albreije
04-05-2019, 06:31 AM
Hey Guys, can anyone give us the live result from ML vs HT match, it didn't appear on the ITTF Results website!!:) thanks

Shifu
04-05-2019, 06:31 AM
Not surprised here. Ishikawa has always had a hard time against FTW in singles. Most of her wins are in team event. Look it up. It's bizarre.

could you please post scores for HT - ML?

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:31 AM
ML vs Harimoto

Game 1, 11:9.
Game 2, 6:11.
Game 3, 6:2, 9:3, 10:4, 11:5.
Game 4, 4:2, Harimoto's TO?, 4:3, 4:4, 6:4, 7:5, 7:7, 8:7, 8:8, 9:8, 10:8, 11:8.

matzreenzi
04-05-2019, 06:33 AM
ML vs Harimoto

Game 1, 11:9.

Where do you watch it???

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:34 AM
No stream. Just Chinese spectators reporting from Japan.

Bashar Albreije
04-05-2019, 06:35 AM
Thanks Zeio:)

matzreenzi
04-05-2019, 06:36 AM
No stream. Just Chinese spectators reporting from Japan.

Owh, OK..unfortunate

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:50 AM
ML 3-1 Harimoto.

Nemo
04-05-2019, 06:52 AM
I am so excited to see ML against FZD (hard to imagine this match won't happen in this tournament)

drunix80
04-05-2019, 06:54 AM
ML 3-1 Harimoto.

Awesome ML. The dragon is on a roll !!!

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:54 AM
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H32i5ldHftQU5tSfKz4REoOFgWRCGzbaWuuDdxNoKNQ/edit?pli=1


2019 ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup
5 - 7 April 2019, Yokohama (JPN)

Flash Quotes

5 April (Day 1)

Feng Tianwei after beating Ishikawa Kasumi 3-0:

“This is my second match here and I think I am in better condition now. I did some research on her recently, this is why I can win today. ”

Zhu Yuling (CHN) after beating Miu Hirano (JPN) 3-1:

“I have not played international competition for over 1 month. I think I performed normally today. I have made full preparation about Asian Cup this time during the closed training and today I played out what I have trained.”

“I was very eager to win at the game three. My opponent also had two lucky balls. After losing that game, my coach told me that I should calm down as I was still at the upper hand.”

“My goal is to defend title.”

Harimoto Tomokazu (JPN) after beating Lin Yun-Ju (TPE) 3-1:

“The second game was very important. After taking the game 2, I became more relaxed.”

“If I want to top the group and proceed to main draw, then I have to beat MA Long this afternoon. I will just try my best and challenge him.”

Gerassimenko Kirill (KAZ) after beating Jang Woojin (KOR) 3-2:

“I am feeling great. This is my second Asian Cup. Every player is strong.”

“Just about concentration and feeling inside like how I calm down. When I was leading, I had a lot of pressure inside. I did not know what to do. But I just told myself to calm down and found the tactic, to find the right moment to make decision. ”

Ashtari Mahshid (IRI) after coming back 0-2 and beating Batra Manika 3-2 (IND):

“I played really well today. I was able to beat her, the top player of India.”

“I led 7-3 in the first game, but I lost. When I was 0-2 behind, I changed the tactics. I tried to make forehand topspin against her forehand and this tactics worked.”

ping fun
04-05-2019, 07:01 AM
ML 3-1 Harimoto.

Bravo Malong . A great comeback . Harimoto needs to work more . Chinese have studued him and are sudying him .

matzreenzi
04-05-2019, 07:06 AM
if someone here found any video of ML vs HT, please share..thanks

RidTheKid
04-05-2019, 07:06 AM
Ma Long! He took Harimoto to school! :D

TTHopeful
04-05-2019, 07:07 AM
The dragon is alive. Welcome back mr ma long

BlipBlop575
04-05-2019, 07:14 AM
I am so excited to see ML against FZD (hard to imagine this match won't happen in this tournament)
Considering FZD and Harimoto are 1st and 2nd seeds, and that ML played against Harimoto in the group stage, he'll probably meet FZD in the semis.

J.O.WALDNERFAN
04-05-2019, 07:20 AM
ML 3-1 Harimoto.
Great! The best news of the day!

Mh4rkosiZe28
04-05-2019, 07:27 AM
Seems the result just happen right now. ML beat TH 3 out of 1.

Atas Newton
04-05-2019, 07:48 AM
Hopefully some videos of the match emerge. When Tomo defeated Fan Zhendong in the last Asian Cup we didn't get to see the full match for quite a while.

RidTheKid
04-05-2019, 08:05 AM
A short sequence is showed on Facebook, like 14 seconds.


Hopefully some videos of the match emerge. When Tomo defeated Fan Zhendong in the last Asian Cup we didn't get to see the full match for quite a while.

zeio
04-05-2019, 09:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qAGJXzOei4

Atas Newton
04-05-2019, 09:40 AM
Interesting situation in group A where if Fan Zhendong defeats Kirill Gerassimenko and Jang Woojin defeats Wong Chun Ting in the final matches, which seems quite possible, then Fan Zhendong is top1 with a 3-0 record and the rest of the guys all have 1-2 record. Anyone knows what tiebreaker do they use?

zeio
04-05-2019, 09:48 AM
Games won/lost ratio among them as usual.

Atas Newton
04-05-2019, 09:49 AM
In bo5 format those can easily be equal too. Points won then? I'd watch another round robin between the 3 :-)

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 10:01 AM
Considering FZD and Harimoto are 1st and 2nd seeds, and that ML played against Harimoto in the group stage, he'll probably meet FZD in the semis.

Not if he wins the group. Not if both ML and FZD win their groups.

Janard
04-05-2019, 10:03 AM
ML 3-1 Lin Yun-ju

Nemo
04-05-2019, 10:04 AM
ML wins 3-1 against LJY, TH wins 3-2 against ASK

Little fun fact: The match between ML and LJY has a very similar pattern in terms of scoring, compared to the ML-TH match.

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 10:10 AM
In bo5 format those can easily be equal too. Points won then? I'd watch another round robin between the 3 :-)

Yes points won to points lost ratio. This happened on year in the World Cup where all 3 players went 1-1 and all scores were 4-3 between Assar, Tsuboi and Appolonia.

zeio
04-05-2019, 10:18 AM
WCT finishes 2nd in group when everyone looks down on him.

JWJ dead last, behind Gerassimenko.

AfroBro
04-05-2019, 10:24 AM
Ma Long v Harimoto highlights posted by ITTF now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIrDEjBp3U

BlipBlop575
04-05-2019, 10:24 AM
Not if he wins the group. Not if both ML and FZD win their groups.
Well if it's like that then what's the point of the seedings?

Janard
04-05-2019, 10:31 AM
Well if it's like that then what's the point of the seedings?

For the preliminary grouping. To ensure that the 'strongest' (according to WR at least) players are not in the same group and knock each other out early on. Of course, we all know that WR is only a reference on paper.

zeio
04-05-2019, 10:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIrDEjBp3U

While not as severe as last time, ML still had trouble receiving Harimoto's serve.

Suga D
04-05-2019, 10:49 AM
Ma Long v Harimoto highlights posted by ITTF now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIrDEjBp3U

Thanks bro

Vlad Celler
04-05-2019, 01:07 PM
H.T. - Lee Sangsu

WS preliminary - Hirano - Shen Szu Yu
C.I.C. - Lin Ye

WS
Ishikawa - Doo
F.T. - Jeon Jihee

Ioiettino
04-05-2019, 01:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIrDEjBp3U

While not as severe as last time, ML still had trouble receiving Harimoto's serve.

A good number of fierce opening loops, still. Also Ma Long's variation in pace seemed to bother Harimoto, quite a bit.

On the other hand I don't think I've ever seen so many winners down the line against Ma Long's forehand, which felt like an actual weakness and downright weird; Ma Long and tactical weaknesses don't often go hand in hand. I guess he was willing to take risks and find himself exposed rather than step away from the table and play into HT's off the bounce counters.

Just a quick analysis and may be completely off the mark, of course.

mrk
04-05-2019, 01:39 PM
This is a helpful game for Harimoto, he can learn from it.

Loopadoop
04-05-2019, 01:48 PM
A good number of fierce opening loops, still. Also Ma Long's variation in pace seemed to bother Harimoto, quite a bit.

On the other hand I don't think I've ever seen so many winners down the line against Ma Long's forehand, which felt like an actual weakness and downright weird; Ma Long and tactical weaknesses don't often go hand in hand. I guess he was willing to take risks and find himself exposed rather than step away from the table and play into HT's off the bounce counters.

Just a quick analysis and may be completely off the mark, of course.

Liam Pitchford has got a lot of blocks down the line vs CNT to win points. That is a proven strategy.

zeio
04-05-2019, 02:28 PM
http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-04-05/doc-ihvhiewr3450488.shtml

谈到这次与马龙的比赛,张本智和表示自己输球就是因为硬实力比不上马龙。对于马龙来说不存在打起来有优势、劣势的对手,因为他实力太强了,打谁都能用实力战胜对方。在谈到比赛的细节时,他说在第一局时自己在4:9落后时连追4分但最终还是丢掉了这一局,当时他觉得毕竟对方是奥运冠军,没能翻盘也是没办法的事情。在第三局后马龙在发接发环节下了很多功夫,他并没有能很好的应对,拧拉技术也没有发挥出来,因此输掉了比赛。

  在采访中,张本智和说的最多的就是“马龙很强”。他表示马龙在场上非常有气场,能给对手很大的压迫感,与去年相比自己很多优势的地方这次都没能发挥出来,如果世锦赛能再次与马龙相遇的话,自己会尽100%的努力去挑战他。
Speaking of this match with ML, Harimoto said that he lost because his "raw strength" is not comparable to ML. For ML, there is no opponent who has advantages and disadvantages, because he is too strong, who can beat anyone with strength. When talking about the details of the game, he said that he won the next 4 points when behind 4:9 in the first game, but eventually losing the game. At that time, he felt that the opponent was an Olympic champion after all, and not being able to make a come back was no problem. Things. After the third game, ML made a lot of effort in serve and receive and he didn't handle that well. Also, his chiquita didn't play out, so he lost the match.

In the interview, Harimoto said the most was the phrase "ML is very strong." He said that ML has a very strong aura on the court and can give his opponent a great sense of oppression. Compared with last year, he wasn't able to play to his advantages on many fronts this time. If he could meet ML again at the WTTC, he will give it 100% of efforts to challenge him.

zeio
04-05-2019, 02:50 PM
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201904050001083.html

五輪金メダリストはわずかな隙すら見逃さなかった。第1ゲーム、張本が4連続得点で8-9と追い上げた場面。「五輪王者は少しのサーブの長さも見極める」と、わずかに甘く入ったボールを馬竜はためをつくって、張本の逆に打ち抜いた。「1ゲーム目だからしょうがないと思っていたが、やはりあそこを取れば大きかった」と悔やんだ。

昨年6月のジャパンオープンでは4-2で勝利も「昨年の敗因を分析してきたと思う。今日は全ての面で相手が上だった」と完敗を認めた。20年東京五輪で金メダルを目指す張本は「馬竜選手は弱点がない。甘い球は1つでも仕留められるというプレッシャーがある。自分もそういう選手になりたい」と目標に掲げた。

昨年は準々決勝で敗れ5位。今回決勝に行けば馬竜と再戦できるが「そこまで行ければ修正して勝ちたい」と意気込んだ。
Harimoto said "ML guessed right on the length of a few serves in game 1, that it would've been a different match had he taken that game." "ML must've analyzed the loss at Japan Open last June, and had the upper hand on all fronts." "ML doesn't have any weakness. He presses on at every chance he gets. I want to become a player like him." On the fact that he still has the chance to meet ML in the final, "I want to patch it up and win if I could get there."

usualsuspect
04-05-2019, 02:52 PM
On the other hand I don't think I've ever seen so many winners down the line against Ma Long's forehand, which felt like an actual weakness and downright weird; Ma Long and tactical weaknesses don't often go hand in hand. I guess he was willing to take risks and find himself exposed rather than step away from the table and play into HT's off the bounce counters.

Just a quick analysis and may be completely off the mark, of course.

Don't go with feelings, go with numbers. Harimoto got 4 points with BH parallel shots in the entire match. ML wised up to it and countered some of them in later sets.

ML's whole strategy revolves around pinning HT on BH corner and then go for wide angle FH shots. Like you said, ML's variation in service and BH loops kept the effectiveness of HT's BH in check. HT's relatively weak FH is exploited.

Kudos to HT for realizing that flat hits and blocks with his FH is not working out. In later sets, HT started counterlooping with FH against ML, with some success, but ML's FH is still too strong.

To effectively execute his strategy, ML has to stay in his BH corner, so losing 4 point from HT's BH parallel shots is an acceptable trade.

zeio
04-05-2019, 02:58 PM
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201904050001091.html

石川佳純は2勝1敗で8強入りを決めた。第2試合の世界ランク10位フォン・ティエンウェイ(シンガポール)戦に0-3で敗れた後、約1時間の「緊急会議」を開いた。「馬場監督、母たちと戦い方について話し合った。普通、大会中に1時間はないですね」。
After Ishikawa's straight-game defeat to FTW, the JNT held an "emergency meeting" for an hour, where "director Baba and Ishikawa's mom brainstormed. Usually, you won't get an hour in a tournament."

drunix80
04-05-2019, 03:51 PM
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201904050001083.html

Harimoto said "ML guessed right on the length of a few serves in game 1, that it would've been a different match had he taken that game." "ML must've analyzed the loss at Japan Open last June, and had the upper hand on all fronts." "ML doesn't have any weakness. He presses on at every chance he gets. I want to become a player like him." On the fact that he still has the chance to meet ML in the final, "I want to patch it up and win if I could get there."

Remains to be seem how FZD will handle ML now if both of them meet in the semis.

zeio
04-05-2019, 03:53 PM
FZD and ML won't meet until the final, so Harimoto will have to get past FZD in the SF first.

drunix80
04-05-2019, 04:13 PM
FZD and ML won't meet until the final, so Harimoto will have to get past FZD in the SF first.

Then FZD vs Harimoto would turn out to be a stern test for FZD since he too lost his last match against Harimoto in last Asian Cup. I remember many speculated he lost on purpose for setting up an all CNT final.

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 04:14 PM
Don't go with feelings, go with numbers. Harimoto got 4 points with BH parallel shots in the entire match. ML wised up to it and countered some of them in later sets.

ML's whole strategy revolves around pinning HT on BH corner and then go for wide angle FH shots. Like you said, ML's variation in service and BH loops kept the effectiveness of HT's BH in check. HT's relatively weak FH is exploited.

Kudos to HT for realizing that flat hits and blocks with his FH is not working out. In later sets, HT started counterlooping with FH against ML, with some success, but ML's FH is still too strong.

To effectively execute his strategy, ML has to stay in his BH corner, so losing 4 point from HT's BH parallel shots is an acceptable trade.

"Relatively weak forehand", "flat hits"... you do realize that this is a 15/16 year old playing against men and he is weaker from a power perspective on all fronts if he plays a consistency rally as opposed to a placement and speed game?

Sali
04-05-2019, 04:27 PM
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201904050001091.html

After Ishikawa's straight-game defeat to FTW, the JNT held an "emergency meeting" for an hour, where "director Baba and Ishikawa's mom brainstormed. Usually, you won't get an hour in a tournament."

They should talk more about hirano who cannot pick up her form and looses to much lower ranked opponents. How long others are going to say she is still young - next 5 years?
If there is nobody better that is fine, but they have some also very young girlanda like hayata or kato who could develop much more if they have so many chances

Shifu
04-05-2019, 04:34 PM
"Relatively weak forehand", "flat hits"... you do realize that this is a 15/16 year old playing against men and he is weaker from a power perspective on all fronts if he plays a consistency rally as opposed to a placement and speed game?

This. Where was Ma Long when he was 15?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-05-2019, 04:41 PM
Harimoto is very respectful of other players. Even if he has surpassed him now, Harimoto's idol was Mizutani. He's now his teammate and training with him (in JNT and T-League).

I think he respects MA Long a lot as well, but he has the potential to surpass MA Long as well

drunix80
04-05-2019, 05:00 PM
Don't go with feelings, go with numbers. Harimoto got 4 points with BH parallel shots in the entire match. ML wised up to it and countered some of them in later sets.

ML's whole strategy revolves around pinning HT on BH corner and then go for wide angle FH shots. Like you said, ML's variation in service and BH loops kept the effectiveness of HT's BH in check. HT's relatively weak FH is exploited.

Kudos to HT for realizing that flat hits and blocks with his FH is not working out. In later sets, HT started counterlooping with FH against ML, with some success, but ML's FH is still too strong.

To effectively execute his strategy, ML has to stay in his BH corner, so losing 4 point from HT's BH parallel shots is an acceptable trade.

If weaker relative to his forehand, then I guess it is fine. But if relative to other players then I would say we need to revisit last year's Japan Open vs ML where he won many FH-FH encounters. I have seen Harimoto play live last year at KOR open and he was packing so much punch with his FH topspin. But, ofcourse, he has to put so much extra effort to get the power because he is after all 15. Just because Harimoto does not do off the table counter topspins , does not make his FH weak. And I believe flat hits are a great way to get out of trouble. It does not signify any big weakness of anything as such.

usualsuspect
04-05-2019, 05:09 PM
This. Where was Ma Long when he was 15?

I think 15 year old ML's FH was already better than HT's FH. Remember, ML's BH was his weakness for most of his career. I would argue HT's BH is better than ML's BH.
HT has potential to surpass ML as a player, but his FH is not likely to surpass ML's FH. They have completely different styles.
My comment wasn't meant to insult HT, it was only objective analysis.
Btw, HT is participating in an adult competition, therefore I'm treating him as an adult player. To treat him otherwise would be a much worse insult to him.

dchow1992
04-05-2019, 05:15 PM
Perhaps we wouldn't have even seen HT yet if he was a 15 year old playing in china instead of japan

Shifu
04-05-2019, 05:16 PM
I think 15 year old ML's FH was already better than HT's FH. Remember, ML's BH was his weakness for most of his career. I would argue HT's BH is better than ML's BH.
HT has potential to surpass ML as a player, but his FH is not likely to surpass ML's FH. They have completely different styles.
My comment wasn't meant to insult HT, it was only objective analysis.
Btw, HT is participating in an adult competition, therefore I'm treating him as an adult player. To treat him otherwise would be a much worse insult to him.

Ma Long played his first senior tournament in 2005 in Qatar where he was at least one year older than Harimoto is now.

edit: deep link to ITTF results does not work

Back then celluloid was used which was a lot less demanding regarding physical strength. Additionally he didn't have the results Harimoto already had. Give Harimoto 2 more years...

Vlad Celler
04-05-2019, 06:03 PM
HAMAMOTO Yui ^^ (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=details&formid=99&Itemid=266&rowid=117819&resetfilters=1)

AUT





Is she no longer a Japanese athlete?

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 06:25 PM
Not to derail this thread in the absence of matches but here is Ma Long at 14. For Harimoto at 14, watch T2.

https://youtu.be/99tgBH1n4Nc


People watching Harimoto often confuse technique with age.

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:27 PM
HAMAMOTO Yui ^^ (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=details&formid=99&Itemid=266&rowid=117819&resetfilters=1)

AUT





Is she no longer a Japanese athlete?

That's new. Can't find anything. Could it be Liu Yanjun of Austria? He happens to be the coach of the T League team Kinoshita she is on. She mentioned him in a recent Butterfly interview.

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:31 PM
Not to derail this thread in the absence of matches but here is Ma Long at 14. For Harimoto at 14, watch T2.

https://youtu.be/99tgBH1n4Nc


People watching Harimoto often confuse technique with age.

Can someone get in touch with Pistej for a comment?


https://youtu.be/99tgBH1n4Nc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dab4UhFA28

zeio
04-05-2019, 06:56 PM
ML was 14 years and 7 months old in that match with Pistej in Mar, 2003.

Harimoto was 13 years and 11 months old in his match with Pistej on Jun 3, 2017.

RidTheKid
04-05-2019, 07:59 PM
Yes but we have to analyze todays HT, not the HT 5 years from now who we know nothing about.


"Relatively weak forehand", "flat hits"... you do realize that this is a 15/16 year old playing against men and he is weaker from a power perspective on all fronts if he plays a consistency rally as opposed to a placement and speed game?

Shifu
04-05-2019, 08:03 PM
Not to derail this thread in the absence of matches but here is Ma Long at 14. For Harimoto at 14, watch T2.

https://youtu.be/99tgBH1n4Nc


People watching Harimoto often confuse technique with age.

technic will still change, especially if he has more power he will do other shots. but it won't change as much ofc as his strength

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 08:07 PM
Yes but we have to analyze todays HT, not the HT 5 years from now who we know nothing about.

Well we have the Ma Long from yesterday. Is his forehand as good as Harimoto's at the same age?

To be honest , I didn't want to get into it, but the analysis of the matchup is wrong. Ma Long is just significantly more powerful than Harimoto is so Harimoto has to make up for the deficit elsewhere. It is not a technique thing it is a power thing. So if Harimoto is not getting significant advantages early, he will be at a deficit in most of the rallies on bot forehand and backhand so his ability to change directions is key. Making it a technical issue misses the point. Harimoto also has a relatively weak backhand it is his close to the table speed that gives him an advantage in using it. But Ma Long is not a slow player so he needs more than that.

RidTheKid
04-05-2019, 08:35 PM
You are correct. But should we give leeway, make exceptions and excuses for HT because of his age? He's competing against players of equal skill level. His age is the explanation for his lack of power on the fh, but it's not his opponents fault that HT is so insanely talented that he has to compete against grown men. I don't think it's fair to devalue his opponents skills when HT is the one who's just so much before his time in so many areas. About the fh. Ma Long is a complete player nowadays but his natural instinct with his fh is something you just can't teach, same as HT's bh, the fluidity is just there. It's talent.


Well we have the Ma Long from yesterday. Is his forehand as good as Harimoto's at the same age?

To be honest , I didn't want to get into it, but the analysis of the matchup is wrong. Ma Long is just significantly more powerful than Harimoto is so Harimoto has to make up for the deficit elsewhere. It is not a technique thing it is a power thing. So if Harimoto is not getting significant advantages early, he will be at a deficit in most of the rallies on bot forehand and backhand so his ability to change directions is key. Making it a technical issue misses the point. Harimoto also has a relatively weak backhand it is his close to the table speed that gives him an advantage in using it. But Ma Long is not a slow player so he needs more than that.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-05-2019, 08:40 PM
a little bit off-topic

@Vlad Celler regarding your question

Yui HAMAMOTO's results are not good enough for her to be in the main JNT. I think she was still in the WTTC trials and kicked out in Round 1. She's a regular player in T-League in Kinoshita Tokyo along Kasumi ISHIKAWA and actually had ok results reflecting her current ranking. When she was in JNT, she had excellent results in ITTF U21 competitions, but she didn't make it on the big stage , or at least underperformed expectations alas.

But it doesn't matter, she's still the cutest player in Japan, but she sounds a bit dumb. Miyu MAEDA is cute as well, perhaps not as good as HAMAMOTO (but close), but she seems to be much more mature

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 08:53 PM
You are correct. But should we give leeway, make exceptions and excuses for HT because of his age? He's competing against players of equal skill level. His age is the explanation for his lack of power on the fh, but it's not his opponents fault that HT is so insanely talented that he has to compete against grown men. I don't think it's fair to devalue his opponents skills when HT is the one who's just so much before his time in so many areas. About the fh. Ma Long is a complete player nowadays but his natural instinct with his fh is something you just can't teach, same as HT's bh, the fluidity is just there. It's talent.
Look at the video when Ma Long was 14. Where was the talent?

Harimoto has a very powerful forehand, especially so for his age. Nothing to be ashamed of. But even on the backhand side Ma Long was overpowering him. Harimoto redirects and plays faster. But saying that Harimoto should be looping or something like that is just weird. No one holds the table like Harimoto does looping every ball. And once he backs up, the power and speed which are his advantages go away.

But if you think it is a technical issue and that Harimoto has a better backhand and weaker forehand (as opposed to the idea that Harimoto can play his style better on the backhand side than the forehand side because of power, speed and stroke size), that is the usual perspective and since it is common, I am trying to show another one.

usualsuspect
04-05-2019, 09:03 PM
Back then celluloid was used which was a lot less demanding regarding physical strength. Additionally he didn't have the results Harimoto already had. Give Harimoto 2 more years...

Hey, we can give Harimoto 5 more years, his FH isn't likely to ever get to ML's level. Just look at Mizutani, he's been around forever and hasn't fixed his FH technique. I don't think a player can change his FH technique once he's settled on a style. Harimoto's FH technique is marginally better than Mizutani's, but nowhere near the textbook standard of ML and FZD. How can you surpass someone when you technique is fundamentally more flawed?
I'm not saying HT won't surpass ML as a player, just his FH won't.

NextLevel
04-05-2019, 09:16 PM
Hey, we can give Harimoto 5 more years, his FH isn't likely to ever get to ML's level. Just look at Mizutani, he's been around forever and hasn't fixed his FH technique. I don't think a player can change his FH technique once he's settled on a style. Harimoto's FH technique is marginally better than Mizutani's, but nowhere near the textbook standard of ML and FZD. How can you surpass someone when you technique is fundamentally more flawed?
I'm not saying HT won't surpass ML as a player, just his FH won't.

I think it Harimoto actually does much more with his forehand than he should because of the pressure to play vs. older players. What that means for his long term growth is not clear but the idea that his stroke is similar to Mizutani is ridiculous and is why I bring this up.

https://youtu.be/QNDOCm7g6ck?t=549

I suspect the real issue is that Butterfly will pay him too much to use boosted Hurricane.

mrk
04-05-2019, 10:22 PM
Because Harimoto (as a Japanese) is not part of the chinese national team he can't play a lot against the likes of Ma Long or Fan Zhendong. I hope he wins against Sangsu and plays against Fan Zhendong. He needs much more games against these players.

Loopadoop
04-05-2019, 10:54 PM
As a kid, Harimoto is going to be streaky since he is still developing, which is kind of scary if your his opponents.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 12:15 AM
I think NL is right with his arguments

Time will tell but I think Harimoto will try to find solutions within his style first. If he doesn’t have the skills today to get Ma Long or FZD yet he has still time to get even better

zeio
04-06-2019, 02:41 AM
The venue is packed.

https://i.imgur.com/0HK2cl4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9KrUURk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6knpgvU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BQveWV4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fs6pj27.jpg

Loopadoop
04-06-2019, 03:18 AM
Is Adham Sharara responsible for the ITTF live stream for the Asian Cup ?

zeio
04-06-2019, 03:30 AM
Nope, so refreshing.

Ishikawa self-detonated on her serve at 9:10. LOL!!!

I can tell the ump for this match also umpires badminton matches.

zeio
04-06-2019, 03:53 AM
For those who can't get the stream to work.

Live on CCTV 5+ (http://www.huaren.tv/sports/101750171144001) now.

Janard
04-06-2019, 04:31 AM
A little random here but it seems Feng Tianwei is on a roll this tournament? 3-0 Ishikawa and now 4-0 Jeon. Maybe she will beat ZYL in the SF? Would be nice to see Hirano emerge victorious during the QF match with ZYL but, hmm.

zeio
04-06-2019, 05:00 AM
CIC has withdrawn due to injury. CM waiting in F.

Nemo
04-06-2019, 05:16 AM
Both Japanese win their QF matches 4-1 and both Chinese win their QF matches 4-1, too (speaking about men's).

Semi-finals will be FZD-TH and ML-KN
Match ups couldn't be more exciting in my opinion! Really looking forward to the matches :)

zeio
04-06-2019, 05:27 AM
ZYL vs Hirano
5:0, 5:7, 6:7, 6:10, 9:10, Hirano's TO, 9:11. Hirano finally knows when to slow down this time.

6:2, 8:7, ZYL's TO, 11:7. This Hirano feels like the one from 2016. She doesn't force every shot now.

Sali
04-06-2019, 05:29 AM
interesting first set hirano vs zhu - they are both very nervous.
Zhu was leading 5:0
then Hirano took 7 points in a row
Zhu 1 point to 6:7
Hirano next 3 poins to have 10:6
Zhu came back with 3 direct points
With 10:9 hirano took time out (i think unnecesary) but she got lucky with the edge.

drunix80
04-06-2019, 05:30 AM
Both Japanese win their QF matches 4-1 and both Chinese win their QF matches 4-1, too (speaking about men's).

Semi-finals will be FZD-TH and ML-KN
Match ups couldn't be more exciting in my opinion! Really looking forward to the matches :)

ML vs KN is no brainer to predict. FZD vs TH will be quite interesting. Not sure which way it will go.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 05:34 AM
I’m less than 20 meters away from Miu :-)

drunix80
04-06-2019, 05:40 AM
I’m less than 20 meters away from Miu :-)

Getting closer. Still way to go till you are at 1m

Nemo
04-06-2019, 05:40 AM
ML vs KN is no brainer to predict. FZD vs TH will be quite interesting. Not sure which way it will go.
I agree, but it's the best possible match up for me at this point anyway, because really... no matter who would play ML now (except for TH and FZD), the winner of that match would be easily predictable.

It's just that I love to see KN play - whether he wins or loses.

drunix80
04-06-2019, 05:41 AM
ittf youtube streaming is gone . Any other links ??

drunix80
04-06-2019, 05:44 AM
ittf youtube streaming is gone . Any other links ??
Back online now. ZYL vs Hirano 1:1 now.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 05:50 AM
1:2 Hirano losing her confidence and her nerves.

ZYL is not even playing well

Looks like it will end quickly

zeio
04-06-2019, 05:51 AM
There's more differential from shot to shot for Hirano. Though her footwork is not there yet.

She heard me. Adjusted midway through and took game 4.

Qiu Yike speaking Sichuanese to ZYL...

Loopadoop
04-06-2019, 06:04 AM
Where live stream a link ?

Vlad Celler
04-06-2019, 06:08 AM
https://web.playerapp.tokyo/table-tennis

zeio
04-06-2019, 06:12 AM
Nice swatting by Hirano at 6:10.

Nemo
04-06-2019, 06:13 AM
Where live stream a link ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK9WAZinOBc YouTube

zeio
04-06-2019, 06:23 AM
Game 6, 10:5, 10:8, 11:8. That's why ZYL doesn't get to play singles at this WTTC.

OTOH, this is the best showing I've seen from Hirano in a good while.

Janard
04-06-2019, 06:24 AM
I think this match proves that the CNT coaches made the right choice by excluding ZYL from singles.

langel
04-06-2019, 06:28 AM
I'm sort of angry with Hirano, she made a lot of unforgivable mistakes in this match. Should win.

drunix80
04-06-2019, 06:28 AM
ZYL seemed to have no weapon against MH apart from putting the ball back. Atleast she used to have a bit more power earlier.

Sali
04-06-2019, 06:35 AM
sorry guys I cannot watch hirano playing. She has no idea what to do besides playing diagonally BH to BH. She is here for a while and I do not see any development from her. For me she is the worst player in JNT.
ZYL played really poor and still she managed to win.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 06:52 AM
What was very noticeable for us on the stadium was Hirano jumping and stomping her feet when she was missing like a child.

I think her attitude is too negative and somebody must tell her there are other serves than the shovel serve and other tactics in TT

I can’t see her win anything important anymore and there is a risk of a downwards spiral from here

Janard
04-06-2019, 06:56 AM
What was very noticeable for us on the stadium was Hirano jumping and stomping her feet when she was missing like a child.

I think her attitude is too negative and somebody must tell her there are other serves than the shovel serve and other tactics in TT

I can’t see her win anything important anymore and there is a risk of a downwards spiral from here

I read somewhere yesterday that some spokesperson for the JNT said that the third player to represent Japan for Tokyo Olympics 2020 is still very much up for grabs at the moment after Hirano's terrible performance in the group stage. S/he even went on to state that Hina Hayata, Shibata Saki and the rest are working very hard towards that goal. Oh wells. Maybe that rattled Hirano, although nothing that was said came off as a surprise.

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:13 AM
Harimoto vs FZD.

11:6. Harimoto has the upper hand on FH? WTF?

4:7, 5:7, 6:10, 6:11. FZD fares better on BH, mostly due to Harimoto's misses.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 07:20 AM
Second set very much in favor of FZD but the fight is only starting

mrk
04-06-2019, 07:21 AM
Short FH with issues for Harimoto.

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:22 AM
FZD is having serious trouble handling Harimoto's FH.

Michal_Z
04-06-2019, 07:25 AM
Guys can anyone help me with the main draw?
I didnt find it anywhere..

Dr Evil
04-06-2019, 07:25 AM
ITTF doing their usual great job of preventing most of the world from watching table tennis.

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:27 AM
Harimoto having a hard time with his BH here.

Nice long reverse pendulum at 7:8. The next one at 8:10 went long.

FZD 2-1.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 07:30 AM
Harimoto played very well in the 3rd but made three mistakes
Fan only one...

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:32 AM
He was leading but was visually nervous. Same thing for FZD. Both are nervous af. I would've taken a TO at 6:4 or 6:5 when Harimoto still had the lead.

Same script for game 4. Leading early on and then blowing it. TO at 6:7 by Harimoto. Too late in my opinion.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 07:36 AM
If you hear someone shouting Tomo. It’s me LOL

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:38 AM
Tons of misses from Harimoto's BH. He gets more points using his FH.

TO by FZD at 9:8, 9:9, FZD misses a lot on the FH, 11:9, Harimoto missed 2 BH chiquita in a row.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 07:42 AM
Harimoto makes a rare receive error on the short serve to his FH . Too much backspin . 9-11 so down 1-3 it’s mission impossible now

mrk
04-06-2019, 07:44 AM
Too many misses in crucial moments for Harimoto, FZD and ML have clearly the upper hand right now.

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:44 AM
Harimoto got overwhelmed by his nerve. His BH absolutely short out after game 3?

Nonetheless, he opens with the diagonal chiquita to the wide FH much more frequently now. Got him so many points.

drunix80
04-06-2019, 07:51 AM
FZD played well in crucial points and that made the difference. I think overall strategy was to keep playing short in Harimoto's FH and change of pace with spinny balls. The message is clear - You can not defeat Harimoto with pace but with lack of it.

Danny21312
04-06-2019, 07:54 AM
I think it's very clear now that if a non chinese player was to win the WTTC and/or Olympics, it's not gonna happen anytime soon, unfortunately.

zeio
04-06-2019, 07:54 AM
If you hear someone shouting Tomo. It’s me LOL

Shout requrest: "Please retire, Ishikawa!"

zeio
04-06-2019, 08:02 AM
Wallpaper quality.

https://i.imgur.com/tEgvdzp.jpg

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 08:02 AM
The second point of the match Ishikawa Chen was incredible and won by the Chinese

Chen was like :
You can try as hard as you can I’ll get everything back.

Kasumi nodded and already gave up 1-11 and it’s not going to last long

mrk
04-06-2019, 08:12 AM
Big unforced error at 9-9 for Ishikawa, no wonder she is useless against chinese with such errors.

zeio
04-06-2019, 08:13 AM
Big unforced error at 9-9 for Ishikawa, no wonder she is useless against chinese with such errors.

Welcome to the club.

langel
04-06-2019, 08:25 AM
The best and fastest japanese in this tournament is the one who change the score.

zeio
04-06-2019, 08:29 AM
Courtesy game granted.

Nemo
04-06-2019, 08:52 AM
Pretty sure ML's point to 4-4 was side of the table

mrk
04-06-2019, 09:16 AM
Niwa was hopeless, no surprise though.

Shathe
04-06-2019, 09:17 AM
Ma Long styling on Koki Niwa... That around the net receive...........

RidTheKid
04-06-2019, 09:23 AM
Ma Long in God mode. No one can touch him.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 09:43 AM
Once again, CNT largely defeated the JNT. I am sad to see that the public showed little enthusiasm to support their players. Chinese fans were making more noise. I was about the only one to shout for the JNT players and I’m not even Japanese...

Only Harimoto had a little chance against FZD. He’s got the shots but he’s not consistent enough. He needs near perfection and/or luck to win. After he lost the 4th it was clearly game over.
Against FZD his serves were quite effective but his BH was not effective enough

drunix80
04-06-2019, 09:44 AM
Could not get through the torture captain dished out to Niwa. Stopped watching after set 3.

mrk
04-06-2019, 09:49 AM
Once again, CNT largely defeated the JNT. I am sad to see that the public showed little enthusiasm to support their players. Chinese fans were making more noise. I was about the only one to shout for the JNT players and I’m not even Japanese...



At least there is some audience in Japan, if I compare this to the empty World Tour Finale in Korea...

zeio
04-06-2019, 09:52 AM
Once again, CNT largely defeated the JNT. I am sad to see that the public showed little enthusiasm to support their players. Chinese fans were making more noise. I was about the only one to shout for the JNT players and I’m not even Japanese...

Only Harimoto had a little chance against FZD. He’s got the shots but he’s not consistent enough. He needs near perfection and/or luck to win. After he lost the 4th it was clearly game over.
Against FZD his serves were quite effective but his BH was not effective enough

The Japanese crowd is very reserved when it comes to that. I miss those bam bams at the WTTC 2014.

Nemo
04-06-2019, 09:53 AM
At least there is some audience in Japan, if I compare this to the empty World Tour Finale in Korea...
I also enjoyed seeing people in the seats again after the Qatar Open. Every year I cringe seeing the "crowd" there. Ugh.

Sali
04-06-2019, 10:18 AM
The Japanese crowd is very reserved when it comes to that. I miss those bam bams at the WTTC 2014.
yes I think it is about culture, we have in Poland one club where they are truly loud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIrWeyw6NA
Maybe it is a good way to beat china, usualy they are the loudest.

zeio
04-06-2019, 10:50 AM
That's new. Can't find anything. Could it be Liu Yanjun of Austria? He happens to be the coach of the T League team Kinoshita she is on. She mentioned him in a recent Butterfly interview.
Table Tennis Kingdom picked it up (https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20190406-00010000-worldtt-spo) today. They also speculate it is the work of Liu Yanjun.

zeio
04-06-2019, 12:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6LWAB-qdjw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koMiFJjkXbs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjq41sCXN84

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-06-2019, 12:56 PM
@zeio
funny as usual for Ishikawa

I feel for her. She lost 1-11 in the 1st game. She wasn't even playing bad. Its just CM was stronger and winning all the rallies. Add a few cheap points due to mistakes and thats quick.

Thanks to some vocal support (including mine :-) she found some energy to put a decent showing, even it was clear she was playing like she already lost, despite some tchoooo from her side.

My friend who came with me said that the problem with Kasumi is that she is not creative at all. She is just repeating patterns from training, and she's too predictable. And because the Chinese are more consistent, then there can't be any surprise about the result as well.

in some sense, Hirano is doing the same now as Kasumi.

The only little innovation I've seen today, is the strawberry receive that she borrowed from ITO, and which had some success today. Else its more of the same. And she's not taking enough risks with her 3rd ball. Even when she wins rallies its too much effort. Often its after being passive for many shots and finally she finds an opening. OTOH, CM is often able to win rallies with 1 or 2 attacks only. in the game that she won, she changed things a little bit but CM quickly reacted.

driversbeat
04-06-2019, 01:34 PM
The irony of a Japanese player not being creative lol
It’s April 2019 already and the only victory Japan has had over the Chinese on the women’s side is Hayata’s victory over Liu Shiwen. Judging by current trends Japan doesn’t seem ready to take China come 2020. They’ll need at least 2 players capable of taking down the Chinese to win in the team event and Ito’s status as a Chinese slayer isn’t solidified as of yet.

Sali
04-06-2019, 01:56 PM
@zeio
funny as usual for Ishikawa

I feel for her. She lost 1-11 in the 1st game. She wasn't even playing bad. Its just CM was stronger and winning all the rallies. Add a few cheap points due to mistakes and thats quick.

Thanks to some vocal support (including mine :-) she found some energy to put a decent showing, even it was clear she was playing like she already lost, despite some tchoooo from her side.

My friend who came with me said that the problem with Kasumi is that she is not creative at all. She is just repeating patterns from training, and she's too predictable. And because the Chinese are more consistent, then there can't be any surprise about the result as well.

in some sense, Hirano is doing the same now as Kasumi.

The only little innovation I've seen today, is the strawberry receive that she borrowed from ITO, and which had some success today. Else its more of the same. And she's not taking enough risks with her 3rd ball. Even when she wins rallies its too much effort. Often its after being passive for many shots and finally she finds an opening. OTOH, CM is often able to win rallies with 1 or 2 attacks only. in the game that she won, she changed things a little bit but CM quickly reacted.

I do not see this problem as lack of creativity. She is just worse player and that is it. She has same problem like Mizutani, they cannot beat top chinese players because they are not agressive and they do not have power in their shots (few years ago I heard mizutani complaing about power in his FH).Top chinese players have both wings BH and FH and if not they have one wing perfect. Mizutani and Ishikawa do not have both wings and do not have one wing perfect. That is why they cannot win rallies. What they can do is work on serves to get easy 3rd ball.
New generation like Ito and Harimoto have enough power to fight chinese - they just need more time to get experience and variation.

zeio
04-06-2019, 03:30 PM
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/04/06/kiji/20190406s00026000376000c.html

「今は悲しい気持ちです。試合中に早く帰りたいと思った。こういうのは初めて。本当にどうしようもなかった」
「はじめのうちは向こうが慣れていなくて、いい勝負ができたりしたが、今は僕のサーブ、レシーブが効かない。やりやすそうにプレーしている」
「通用した部分はないです」
"Now I feel sad. I wanted to go home early in the game. This is the first time I've felt this. I couldn't help it."
"He wasn't used to that at first, so I was able to play a good game, but now my serve and receive don't work."
"Nothing worked on him."

yuri.saldon
04-06-2019, 04:21 PM
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/04/06/kiji/20190406s00026000376000c.html

"Now I feel sad. I wanted to go home early in the game. This is the first time I've felt this. I couldn't help it."
"He wasn't used to that at first, so I was able to play a good game, but now my serve and receive don't work."
"Nothing worked on him."Who said that?

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zeio
04-06-2019, 04:36 PM
That should be obvious.

Atas Newton
04-06-2019, 04:40 PM
4d chess from JNT right there:
- tell Harimoto to make it look like he doesn't know what to do with short backspin serve to wide FH
- CNT rub their hands
- WTTC starts
- CNT serves to Tomo's wide FH
- flip kills them all
- ?????
- profit

yuri.saldon
04-06-2019, 04:50 PM
That should be obvious.Ishikawa? Lol

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yoass
04-06-2019, 05:47 PM
Assuming Koki Niwa. As these things go with assumptions, that might be complete nonsense, of course.

Atas Newton
04-06-2019, 06:03 PM
Qiu Yike speaking Sichuanese to ZYL...
why? So that Hirano couldn't eavesdrop on them?

zeio
04-06-2019, 06:14 PM
why? So that Hirano couldn't eavesdrop on them?

Part of the reason. Ito has mentioned how she would observe her opponent during the interval to pick up clues.

RidTheKid
04-06-2019, 06:51 PM
Ouch! Demoralizing.



https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/04/06/kiji/20190406s00026000376000c.html

"Now I feel sad. I wanted to go home early in the game. This is the first time I've felt this. I couldn't help it."
"He wasn't used to that at first, so I was able to play a good game, but now my serve and receive don't work."
"Nothing worked on him."

JesperStef
04-06-2019, 07:24 PM
Results from Day 1 (Fri 05 April 2019):

Men's Singles

Group A:
1) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:0 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:8, 11:5, 11:3)
2) [5] Jang Woojin 2:3 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (5:11, 11:2, 6:11, 11:9, 13:15)

3) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:1 Jang Woojin [5] (11:6, 11:8, 8:11, 11:6)
4) [7] Wong Chun Ting 3:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (11:7, 12:14, 11:6, 11:4)

5) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (11:9, 11:8, 9:11, 11:6)
6) [5] Jang Woojin 1:3 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:9, 7:11, 7:11, 7:11)

Final Standings
1) [1] Fan Zhendong (3:0)
2) [7] Wong Chun Ting (2:1)
3) [12] Kirill Gerassimenko (1:2)
4) [5] Jang Woojin (0:3)


Group B:
1) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:1 Lin Yun-Ju [9] (8:11, 15:13, 11:5, 11:2)
2) [6] Ma Long 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (11:5, 11:5, 11:5)

3) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 1:3 Ma Long [6] (9:11, 11:6, 5:11, 8:11)
4) [9] Lin Yun-Ju 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (10:12, 11:6, 11:9, 11:8)

5) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:2 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (11:6, 14:12, 9:11, 5:11, 11:7)
6) [6] Ma Long 3:1 Lin Yun-Ju [9] (11:5, 6:11, 11:5, 11:5)

Final Standings
1) [6] Ma Long (3:0)
2) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto (2:1)
3) [9] Lin Yun-Ju (1:2)
4) [11] Achanta Sharath Kamal (0:3)


Group C:
1) [3] Lee Sangsu 3:1 Chuang Chih-Yuan [8] (11:6, 8:11, 12:10, 11:8)
2) [4] Koki Niwa 3:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:7, 11:9, 10:12, 11:8)

3) [3] Lee Sangsu 1:3 Koki Niwa [4] (11:5, 8:11, 5:11, 9:11)
4) [8] Chuang Chih-Yuan 0:3 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (5:11, 4:11, 8:11)

5) [3] Lee Sangsu 3:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:7, 11:4, 6:11, 11:5)
6) [4] Koki Niwa 0:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan [8] (8:11, 10:12, 6:11)

Final Standings
1) [4] Koki Niwa (2:1)
2) [3] Lee Sangsu (2:1)
3) [10] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran (1:2)
4) [8] Chuang Chih-Yuan (1:2)


Continental Group:
1) Nima Alamian 3:0 Imesh Ranasingha (w.o.)
2) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon 3:1 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (13:11, 11:13, 11:5, 11:5)

3) Nima Alamian 1:3 Supanut Wisumaythangkoon (8:11, 11:7, 8:11, 9:11)
4) Imesh Ranasingha 0:3 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (w.o.)

5) Nima Alamian 3:0 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (11:6, 11:6, 11:9)
6) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon 3:0 Imesh Ranasingha (w.o.)

Final Standings
1) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon (3:0)
2) Nima Alamian (2:1)
3) Mohammed Abdulwahhab (1:2)
4) Imesh Ranasingha (0:3)


Women's Singles

Group A:
1) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:0 Doo Hoi Kem [8] (11:7, 11:9, 11:3)
2) [5] Miu Hirano 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:3, 11:7, 11:5)

3) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:1 Miu Hirano [5] (11:1, 11:8, 6:11, 11:3)
4) [8] Doo Hoi Kem 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:4, 11:8, 11:4)

5) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:6, 11:3, 11:2)
6) [5] Miu Hirano 2:3 Doo Hoi Kem [8] (5:11, 11:9, 10:12, 11:6, 13:15)

Final Standings
1) [1] Zhu Yuling (3:0)
2) [8] Doo Hoi Kem (2:1)
3) [5] Miu Hirano (1:2)
4) [11] Suthasini Sawettabut (0:3)


Group B:
1) [2] Chen Meng 3:0 Jeon Jihee [9] (11:2, 13:11, 11:4)
2) [4] Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (15:17, 12:10, 11:9, 11:5)

3) [2] Chen Meng 3:1 Cheng I-Ching [4] (11:6, 11:3, 8:11, 11:8)
4) [9] Jeon Jihee 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (5:11, 14:12, 11:7, 11:4)

5) [2] Chen Meng 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (11:7, 11:5, 9:11, 11:7)
6) [4] Cheng I-Ching 1:3 Jeon Jihee [9] (9:11, 11:5, 9:11, 6:11)

Final Standings
1) [2] Chen Meng (3:0)
2) [9] Jeon Jihee (2:1)
3) [4] Cheng I-Ching (1:2)
4) [12] Lee Ho Ching (0:3)


Group C:
1) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Suh Hyowon [7] (11:8, 11:4, 11:9)
2) [6] Feng Tianwei 3:1 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:2, 11:6, 3:11, 11:6)

3) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 0:3 Feng Tianwei [6] (11:13, 7:11, 7:11)
4) [7] Suh Hyowon 2:3 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:8, 3:11, 12:10, 8:11, 5:11)

5) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:9, 11:6, 11:5)
6) [6] Feng Tianwei 3:2 Suh Hyowon [7] (9:11, 11:8, 11:3, 9:11, 11:8)

Final Standings
1) [6] Feng Tianwei (3:0)
2) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa (2:1)
3) [10] Chen Szu-Yu (1:2)
4) [7] Suh Hyowon (0:3)


Continental Group:
1) Lin Ye 3:0 Maha Faramarzi (11:2, 11:4, 11:6)
2) Manika Batra 2:3 Mahshid Ashtari (12:10, 11:5, 5:11, 8:11, 6:11)

3) Lin Ye 3:0 Manika Batra (11:7, 15:13, 11:8)
4) Maha Faramarzi 0:3 Mahshid Ashtari (1:11, 4:11, 4:11)

5) Lin Ye 3:0 Mahshid Ashtari (14:12, 11:6, 11:5)
6) Manika Batra 3:0 Maha Faramarzi (11:3, 11:6, 11:2)

Final Standings
1) Lin Ye (3:0)
2) Mahshid Ashtari (2:1)
3) Manika Batra (1:2)
4) Maha Faramarzi (0:3)

Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5061/2019/ittf-attu-asian-cup/

JesperStef
04-06-2019, 08:45 PM
Results from Day 1 (Fri 05 April 2019):

Men's Singles

Group A:
1) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:0 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:8, 11:5, 11:3)
2) [5] Jang Woojin 2:3 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (5:11, 11:2, 6:11, 11:9, 13:15)

3) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:1 Jang Woojin [5] (11:6, 11:8, 8:11, 11:6)
4) [7] Wong Chun Ting 3:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (11:7, 12:14, 11:6, 11:4)

5) [1] Fan Zhendong 3:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (11:9, 11:8, 9:11, 11:6)
6) [5] Jang Woojin 1:3 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:9, 7:11, 7:11, 7:11)

Final Standings
1) [1] Fan Zhendong (3:0)
2) [7] Wong Chun Ting (2:1)
3) [12] Kirill Gerassimenko (1:2)
4) [5] Jang Woojin (0:3)


Group B:
1) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:1 Lin Yun-Ju [9] (8:11, 15:13, 11:5, 11:2)
2) [6] Ma Long 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (11:5, 11:5, 11:5)

3) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 1:3 Ma Long [6] (9:11, 11:6, 5:11, 8:11)
4) [9] Lin Yun-Ju 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (10:12, 11:6, 11:9, 11:8)

5) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:2 Achanta Sharath Kamal [11] (11:6, 14:12, 9:11, 5:11, 11:7)
6) [6] Ma Long 3:1 Lin Yun-Ju [9] (11:5, 6:11, 11:5, 11:5)

Final Standings
1) [6] Ma Long (3:0)
2) [2] Tomokazu Harimoto (2:1)
3) [9] Lin Yun-Ju (1:2)
4) [11] Achanta Sharath Kamal (0:3)


Group C:
1) [3] Lee Sangsu 3:1 Chuang Chih-Yuan [8] (11:6, 8:11, 12:10, 11:8)
2) [4] Koki Niwa 3:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:7, 11:9, 10:12, 11:8)

3) [3] Lee Sangsu 1:3 Koki Niwa [4] (11:5, 8:11, 5:11, 9:11)
4) [8] Chuang Chih-Yuan 0:3 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (5:11, 4:11, 8:11)

5) [3] Lee Sangsu 3:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:7, 11:4, 6:11, 11:5)
6) [4] Koki Niwa 0:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan [8] (8:11, 10:12, 6:11)

Final Standings
1) [4] Koki Niwa (2:1)
2) [3] Lee Sangsu (2:1)
3) [10] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran (1:2)
4) [8] Chuang Chih-Yuan (1:2)


Continental Group:
1) Nima Alamian 3:0 Imesh Ranasingha (w.o.)
2) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon 3:1 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (13:11, 11:13, 11:5, 11:5)

3) Nima Alamian 1:3 Supanut Wisumaythangkoon (8:11, 11:7, 8:11, 9:11)
4) Imesh Ranasingha 0:3 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (w.o.)

5) Nima Alamian 3:0 Mohammed Abdulwahhab (11:6, 11:6, 11:9)
6) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon 3:0 Imesh Ranasingha (w.o.)

Final Standings
1) Supanut Wisumaythangkoon (3:0)
2) Nima Alamian (2:1)
3) Mohammed Abdulwahhab (1:2)
4) Imesh Ranasingha (0:3)


Women's Singles

Group A:
1) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:0 Doo Hoi Kem [8] (11:7, 11:9, 11:3)
2) [5] Miu Hirano 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:3, 11:7, 11:5)

3) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:1 Miu Hirano [5] (11:1, 11:8, 6:11, 11:3)
4) [8] Doo Hoi Kem 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:4, 11:8, 11:4)

5) [1] Zhu Yuling 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut [11] (11:6, 11:3, 11:2)
6) [5] Miu Hirano 2:3 Doo Hoi Kem [8] (5:11, 11:9, 10:12, 11:6, 13:15)

Final Standings
1) [1] Zhu Yuling (3:0)
2) [8] Doo Hoi Kem (2:1)
3) [5] Miu Hirano (1:2)
4) [11] Suthasini Sawettabut (0:3)


Group B:
1) [2] Chen Meng 3:0 Jeon Jihee [9] (11:2, 13:11, 11:4)
2) [4] Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (15:17, 12:10, 11:9, 11:5)

3) [2] Chen Meng 3:1 Cheng I-Ching [4] (11:6, 11:3, 8:11, 11:8)
4) [9] Jeon Jihee 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (5:11, 14:12, 11:7, 11:4)

5) [2] Chen Meng 3:1 Lee Ho Ching [12] (11:7, 11:5, 9:11, 11:7)
6) [4] Cheng I-Ching 1:3 Jeon Jihee [9] (9:11, 11:5, 9:11, 6:11)

Final Standings
1) [2] Chen Meng (3:0)
2) [9] Jeon Jihee (2:1)
3) [4] Cheng I-Ching (1:2)
4) [12] Lee Ho Ching (0:3)


Group C:
1) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Suh Hyowon [7] (11:8, 11:4, 11:9)
2) [6] Feng Tianwei 3:1 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:2, 11:6, 3:11, 11:6)

3) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 0:3 Feng Tianwei [6] (11:13, 7:11, 7:11)
4) [7] Suh Hyowon 2:3 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:8, 3:11, 12:10, 8:11, 5:11)

5) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:9, 11:6, 11:5)
6) [6] Feng Tianwei 3:2 Suh Hyowon [7] (9:11, 11:8, 11:3, 9:11, 11:8)

Final Standings
1) [6] Feng Tianwei (3:0)
2) [3] Kasumi Ishikawa (2:1)
3) [10] Chen Szu-Yu (1:2)
4) [7] Suh Hyowon (0:3)


Continental Group:
1) Lin Ye 3:0 Maha Faramarzi (11:2, 11:4, 11:6)
2) Manika Batra 2:3 Mahshid Ashtari (12:10, 11:5, 5:11, 8:11, 6:11)

3) Lin Ye 3:0 Manika Batra (11:7, 15:13, 11:8)
4) Maha Faramarzi 0:3 Mahshid Ashtari (1:11, 4:11, 4:11)

5) Lin Ye 3:0 Mahshid Ashtari (14:12, 11:6, 11:5)
6) Manika Batra 3:0 Maha Faramarzi (11:3, 11:6, 11:2)

Final Standings
1) Lin Ye (3:0)
2) Mahshid Ashtari (2:1)
3) Manika Batra (1:2)
4) Maha Faramarzi (0:3)

Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5061/2019/ittf-attu-asian-cup/

Results from Day 2 (Sat 06 April2019):

Men's Singles

Preliminary Round (Round of 16):

[9] Lin Yun-Ju 3:0 Supanut Wisumaythangkoon (11:7, 11:5, 11:5)
[10] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 3:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [12] (11:13, 11:7, 11:8, 11:6)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Lin Jun-Yu [9] (11:9, 11:7, 11:8, 8:11, 11:8)
[2] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:1 Lee Sangsu [3] (11:6, 11:7, 7:11, 11:5, 11:9)

[4] Koki Niwa 4:1 Wong Chun Ting [7] (12:10, 6:11, 11:9, 12:10, 12:10)
[6] Ma Long 4:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:5, 11:5, 6:11, 11:6, 11:3)


Positions 5-8:

[9] Lin Jun-Yu 4:3 Lee Sangsu [3] (6:11, 11:8, 7:11, 11:7, 11:4, 9:11, 11:7)
[10] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 4:1 Wong Chun Ting [7] (12:10, 10:12, 11:5, 11:6, 11:8)


Semi-finals:

[1] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Tomokazu Harimoto [2] (6:11, 11:6, 11:8, 11:9, 11:4)
[6] Ma Long 4:0 Koki Niwa [4] (11:5, 11:6, 11:8, 11:6)


Women's Singles

Preliminary Round (Round of 16):

[5] Miu Hirano 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu [10] (11:5, 11:2, 11:7)
[4] Cheng I-Ching 3:0 Lin Ye (11:7, 11:6, 12:10)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:2 Miu Hirano [5] (9:11, 11:7, 11:2, 10:12, 11:7, 11:8)
[6] Feng Tianwei 4:0 Jeon Jihee [9] (11:2, 11:7, 11:9, 11:7)

[3] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [8] (11:9, 9:11, 15:13, 9:11, 12:10, 11:7)
[2] Chen Meng 4:0 Cheng I-Ching [4] (w.o.)


Positions 5-8:

[5] Miu Hirano 4:1 Jeon Jihee [9] (6:11, 11:7, 11:6, 11:8, 11:5)
[8] Doo Hoi Kem 4:0 Cheng I-Ching [4] (w.o.)


Semi-finals:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:1 Feng Tianwei [6] (9:11, 11:9, 11:5, 11:5, 14:12)
[2] Chen Meng 4:1 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (11:1, 11:9, 11:4, 7:11, 11:8)

Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5061/2019/ittf-attu-asian-cup

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-07-2019, 02:45 AM
Ouch! Demoralizing.

The article mentions that in 12 years, and a dozen matches, Niwa has won only once against MA Long (in a minor competition, I think it was the Olympic trial which is more like a friendly game)...

For these guys its difficult to enter the court and convince themselves they have a chance to win. And when, once in a while, they finally have a chance to win, in (great) part because MA Long is not in his best day) when it comes to the crucial moments, they remember their previous defeats and choke. We amateurs all do that all the time as well right ?

Thats why NIWA, ISHIKAWA can't win the Chinese. HIRANO is going on the same path, (but nobody can take what she already achieved so young). MIZUTANI scrapped a few wins at least in his career

Its going to be tough for HARIMOTO but he's on another level and won already many top CNT players several times.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-07-2019, 04:52 AM
Ishikawa wins the consolation match (3-4) against (an aging) FENG Tianwei 4-1
She wanted this game more than FTW after losing 0-4 in group stage.
It was very tight in the 3rd and 4th (15-17 then 17-15)

(very FAR) behind the CNT, and besides perhaps ITO and HAYATA, ISHIKAWA proves again she is above the rest.

Atas Newton
04-07-2019, 06:25 AM
Commentating is a familiar voice for many - Alois Rosario, one of the two guys from PingSkills, ex-coach for Australia's Olympic team and just overall a very nice and knowledgeable bloke
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.pingskills.com%252Fimages%252Falois-thanks.jpg

Sali
04-07-2019, 06:44 AM
Seems zyl found a good way to keep cm on her bh, when cm tries to Play fh from by side zyl keeps her on deep bh and she is always late.

Vlad Celler
04-07-2019, 07:01 AM
Do you think the result of this match is not known in advance?

Janard
04-07-2019, 07:17 AM
The rest of the world thanks ZYL for a lesson on how to beat CM ahead of the WTTC in two weeks' time.

zeio
04-07-2019, 07:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jt5e9tby7c

zeio
04-07-2019, 08:01 AM
ZYL isn't called "專殺熟" for nothing.

Yet, CM stuck to her nickname - Ms Open. She has never won the Asian Cup, or anything continental and beyond for that matter. WTTC 2019 will be the last straw if she wants to play at Tokyo 2020. Even reaching the final won't be enough.

RidTheKid
04-07-2019, 08:37 AM
Shift of reign? Maybe, but I think ML made some uncharacteristic errors that he will correct until WTTC.

Sali
04-07-2019, 08:38 AM
ma long looked exhausted in last game, seems after he lost game 5 he lost his motivation

RidTheKid
04-07-2019, 08:42 AM
If you watch China Open 2018 the way ML played Fzd there, this Asian Cup ML played much more aggressive and it won't work against Fzd since he is better in the speed and power style game. ML should go back to play more short, control the pace, let Fzd make the first move and then counterstrike.

zeio
04-07-2019, 09:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcBTg1e4Xk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI8a-S0xL0w

Janard
04-07-2019, 10:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcBTg1e4Xk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI8a-S0xL0w

"出谋划策".

RidTheKid
04-07-2019, 10:56 AM
That clould nine state :D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPcBTg1e4Xk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI8a-S0xL0w

jawien
04-07-2019, 11:48 AM
Considering Mima's or Harimoto's great run in 2018 and Hayata's flashy Portugal Open after Qatar and Yokohama, everything went back to normal in terms of challenging the CNT ... which regrouped and seems to have right tactics in place.

If I was to look for something positive, psychologically speaking those results need not to be so bad, because they take off the pressure from those young athletes shoulders ... well ... we'll see in just about two weeks.

But yeah, if I was to place my bets with real money, something I never do, the CNT would have to be my choice at the moment ... but hey, I'm not betting so surprise me ... ! ; )

JesperStef
04-07-2019, 12:15 PM
Results from Day 3 (Sun 07 April 2019):

Men's Singles

Positions 7-8:

[3] Lee Sangsu 4:2 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:9, 11:7, 5:11, 11:3, 6:11, 11:7)


Positions 5-6:

[9] Lin Jun-Yu 4:0 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [10] (11:4, 11:8, 11:8, 14:12)


Positions 3-4:

[4] Kiki Niwa 4:2 Tomokazu Harimoto [2] (11:7, 11:3, 3:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:8)


Final:

[1] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Ma Long [6] (9:11,12:10, 9:11, 11:7, 11:8, 12:10)


Women's Singles

Positions 7-8:

[9] Jeon Jihee 4:0 Cheng I-Ching [4] (w.o.)


Positions 5-6:

[8] Doo Hoi Kem 4:3 Miu Hirano [5] (7:11, 10:12, 11:8, 11:7, 8:11, 11:3, 11:7)


Positions 3-4:

[3] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:1 Feng Tianwei [6] (12:10, 14:12, 15:17, 17:15, 11:8)


Final:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:2 Chen Meng [2] (15:13, 4:11, 11:5, 11:8, 7:11, 11:6)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5061/2019/ittf-attu-asian-cup

NextLevel
04-07-2019, 12:33 PM
ZYL isn't called "專殺熟" for nothing.

Yet, CM stuck to her nickname - Ms Open. She has never won the Asian Cup, or anything continental and beyond for that matter. WTTC 2019 will be the last straw if she wants to play at Tokyo 2020. Even reaching the final won't be enough.

Li Xiaoxia once had the nickname "bridesmaid" because she always came second and look how that turned out. People just like to say nasty things without a shred of patience and context.

NextLevel
04-07-2019, 12:40 PM
BTW, Koki Niwa beats Harimoto in a somewhat meaningless match. But for who?

zeio
04-07-2019, 12:55 PM
There's more to that loss than meets the eyes. Harimoto's ring finger was in serious pain. He said he first had pain on day 2 of Qatar Open. It flared up after the SF at Asian Cup.

It got so bad he had to call a medical TO. Kurashima even told him to withdraw but he kept going, saying that something like this could happen at Tokyo 2020. Kurashima said he might have to cut down on some events for WTTC depending on the prognosis tomorrow.

mrk
04-07-2019, 02:37 PM
He should pull back from doubles and mixed or at least from one of those events. Even without the injury playing in 3 events is too much, he isn't even a big contender for the doubles and possibly mixed as well.

NoFootwork
04-07-2019, 02:44 PM
If you watch China Open 2018 the way ML played Fzd there, this Asian Cup ML played much more aggressive and it won't work against Fzd since he is better in the speed and power style game. ML should go back to play more short, control the pace, let Fzd make the first move and then counterstrike.
With the WTTC coming up shortly, ML shouldn't be expected to reveal all his tactics against FZD as there is a good chance he will face him there. I think he has used Qatar and Asia Cup to see how much he can push himself physically in a tournament setting. Having said that, getting to finals in 2 tournaments back to back just before the WTTC has to be pretty draining.

FZD is a much more complete player now, not just brute force TT bludgeoning of his opponents. IMO he is the favorite to win WTTC. Hope he plays ML in that final, should be a joy to watch.

RidTheKid
04-07-2019, 03:57 PM
You may have a point, we will sure find out soon :D I agree that ML pushed himself more physically, he moved more and better this time in Yokohama than he did in Qatar. Fzd is surely a more complete player than a year ago but he still isn't the greatest tactician around, and he really doesn't need to be, until he faces a ML in 100% shape both mentally and physically. But I was impressed by Fzd on a few sequences/areas this Asia Cup final:

1. The around the net shot
Of course it should be mentioned, an around the net shot is always something special. But the way he did it almost off balance was quite astonishing. How often have we seen Ma Long look that surprised? :)

2. The short game
He lured ML into the short game and executed a fast bh to ML's fh corner and ML was left in no mans land.

3. Fh 2 Fh
He won a few monster rallies with his Fh, something that isn't very easy to do against ML.

Changes I want to see from Ma Long in their next meeting:

1. More going down the line during bh-bh exchanges. Even though it being the riskier shot to make you have to try and surprise your opponent. If your opponent knows what he's facing it's much easier to prepare a response/counter move.

2. More focus on short game.
No one is better than ML in the short game. He can do it for weeks on time if you let him. If ML plays short, Fzd will open sooner or later and ML will counterstrike.

3. Patience.
Ma Long behaved very uncharacteristic on several occasions, for example when trying to loop kill a heavy underspin serve at deuce. Not sure if it was the end of 2nd or 4th set. But that just felt like a very strange decision being ML. Ok, maybe he tried to surprise Fzd but this is not how ML wins against Fzd 2019.

4. Pace
ML need to slow down the pace, to go head to head in a speed and power game against Fzd will end up in a loss, every time.

5. Spin variation and placement
ML is the king in these areas and needs to use them more.


With the WTTC coming up shortly, ML shouldn't be expected to reveal all his tactics against FZD as there is a good chance he will face him there. I think he has used Qatar and Asia Cup to see how much he can push himself physically in a tournament setting. Having said that, getting to finals in 2 tournaments back to back just before the WTTC has to be pretty draining.

FZD is a much more complete player now, not just brute force TT bludgeoning of his opponents. IMO he is the favorite to win WTTC. Hope he plays ML in that final, should be a joy to watch.

Free bird
04-07-2019, 04:24 PM
It’s Fan-tastic Dong vs Ma-rvelous Long: never boring, always exciting.

got up in the middle of sleep to watch the final live. Had the feeling of Deja Vu all over again During the first three sets. But this time in the next three sets, I saw Fan’s more mature side with real-time calculating and adapting abilities. The last few key points, one down-the-line, below the table forehand counter loop, another backhanded lightening switch to a down the line winner, show Fan is someone special.

Ma recoveres much better than most expected. Can’t wait to the dual in two weeks.

BTW, Can’t stand the two cctv 5 lady sportscasters. Too pretentious to me. Still like our Adam better.

Danny21312
04-07-2019, 04:54 PM
It’s Fan-tastic Dong vs Ma-rvelous Long: never boring, always exciting.

got up in the middle of sleep to watch the final live. Had the feeling of Deja Vu all over again During the first three sets. But this time in the next three sets, I saw Fan’s more mature side with real-time calculating and adapting abilities. The last few key points, one down-the-line, below the table forehand counter loop, another backhanded lightening switch to a down the line winner, show Fan is someone special.

Ma recoveres much better than most expected. Can’t wait to the dual in two weeks.

BTW, Can’t stand the two cctv 5 lady sportscasters. Too pretentious to me. Still like our Adam better.
If someone told you that you have a choice of having Harimoto in the final against ML/FZD/XX/LGY/LJK and have him win, or having ML/XX/FZD/LJK/LGY vs ML/XX/FZD/LJK/LGY, are you really telling me that you'd rather watch the latter instead of witnessing a historic moment in the former?

Dr Evil
04-07-2019, 04:59 PM
FZD seems much improved in the short game vs ML. Not only more consistent with high quality pushes but also more patient. I think that was the difference in this match which he would have lost last year. ML still in recovery mode but he's so good it's hard to tell. He seemed to be holding back a bit on fh, and letting bh to bh rallies continue in the same rhythm for longer than he usually would against FZD. I still like his chances later this month.

Atas Newton
04-07-2019, 05:29 PM
It’s Fan-tastic Dong vs Ma-rvelous Long: never boring, always exciting.
ah yes, the legendary Long Dong rivalry.

RidTheKid
04-07-2019, 05:43 PM
Brilliant :D We need this on a t-shirt NOW! :D


ah yes, the legendary Long Dong rivalry.

Free bird
04-08-2019, 04:45 AM
If someone told you that you have a choice of having Harimoto in the final against ML/FZD/XX/LGY/LJK and have him win, or having ML/XX/FZD/LJK/LGY vs ML/XX/FZD/LJK/LGY, are you really telling me that you'd rather watch the latter instead of witnessing a historic moment in the former?

For the coming WTTC and next years Olympic, Fan-Ma dual represents the highest level. I’d not put lgy, ljk, xx or any other players in the same league. Harimoto has the potential to join them in the next couple of years, but not at this moment.

yoass
04-08-2019, 07:08 AM
Li Xiaoxia once had the nickname "bridesmaid" because she always came second and look how that turned out. People just like to say nasty things without a shred of patience and context.

But Zhuān shā shú isn't a nasty thing to say, is it? Isn't it rather complimentary instead?

usualsuspect
04-08-2019, 01:58 PM
You may have a point, we will sure find out soon :D I agree that ML pushed himself more physically, he moved more and better this time in Yokohama than he did in Qatar. Fzd is surely a more complete player than a year ago but he still isn't the greatest tactician around

Do you know why FZD could not beat ML before? FZD did not vary pace and rhythm in a rally. FZD only understood how to hit hard and change shot placements, but he didn't change up the pace to disrupt opponent's rhythm (this is something Samsonov does exceptionally well). Over the past year, FZD has purposefully slowed down during BH rallies to disrupt his opponent. Now he's adept at changing rhythm.

Today, both ML and FZD are complete players with no obvious weaknesses. What do you do to win against someone who has no weakness? You have to vary every aspect of your game in hopes of catching your opponent off guard. Spin, speed, power, placement, and rhythm. Both players were changing tactics constantly throughout the match.
Even when ML and FZD succeed in executing their plans, the other could still return the difficult shot and win the point. That's how good they both are.

When FZD played Harimoto, the match was much more one-sided. FZD exploited Harimoto's lackluster ability to receive short service to the FH side. In the last two sets, FZD basically used this one serve placement to defeat Harimoto. This is the example of Harimoto having an obvious weakness and it was exploited.

drunix80
04-08-2019, 02:14 PM
I saw FZD's coach Qin Zhijian constantly ask him to serve short in FH to Harimoto. And it was really amazing that Harimoto could do nothing much. Of course his short game is nowhere near FZD's or ML's and apart from Chiquita, he did not have much option. I hope Harimoto improves in this area amd CNT finds the next weakness is his game. Quite interesting !!

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 02:22 PM
Right. So nice of CNT to help HT this way :)


I saw FZD's coach Qin Zhijian constantly ask him to serve short in FH to Harimoto. And it was really amazing that Harimoto could do nothing much. Of course his short game is nowhere near FZD's or ML's and apart from Chiquita, he did not have much option. I hope Harimoto improves in this area amd CNT finds the next weakness is his game. Quite interesting !!

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 02:28 PM
Yep exactly. If you re-watch the match you'll see that ML made some strange decisions, and lost sharpness in a very uncharacteristic way. He lead 6-1 and 9-5 in 2nd set and still managed to lose that set. He just came back from injury lay off, he'll be back better for WTTC for sure. Like I wrote above ML can't go head to head with Fzd in a guns blazing style, it won't end with a success. He needs to approach Fzd exactly the same way as he did in China Open 2018.


Do you know why FZD could not beat ML before? FZD did not vary pace and rhythm in a rally. FZD only understood how to hit hard and change shot placements, but he didn't change up the pace to disrupt opponent's rhythm (this is something Samsonov does exceptionally well). Over the past year, FZD has purposefully slowed down during BH rallies to disrupt his opponent. Now he's adept at changing rhythm.

Today, both ML and FZD are complete players with no obvious weaknesses. What do you do to win against someone who has no weakness? You have to vary every aspect of your game in hopes of catching your opponent off guard. Spin, speed, power, placement, and rhythm. Both players were changing tactics constantly throughout the match.
Even when ML and FZD succeed in executing their plans, the other could still return the difficult shot and win the point. That's how good they both are.

When FZD played Harimoto, the match was much more one-sided. FZD exploited Harimoto's lackluster ability to receive short service to the FH side. In the last two sets, FZD basically used this one serve placement to defeat Harimoto. This is the example of Harimoto having an obvious weakness and it was exploited.

drunix80
04-08-2019, 03:14 PM
Koki Niwa said he wanted to finish his match early with ML because he had no idea what to do. ROFL !!!

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20190406-00000160-dal-spo

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 03:52 PM
Sad. That tells me Niwa isn't a big enough competitor. There is no greater challenge than to play the best player on the planet. ML would wipe the table with me but I'd be having fun being table wiped with.


Koki Niwa said he wanted to finish his match early with ML because he had no idea what to do. ROFL !!!

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20190406-00000160-dal-spo

Danny21312
04-08-2019, 05:09 PM
Koki Niwa said he wanted to finish his match early with ML because he had no idea what to do. ROFL !!!

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20190406-00000160-dal-spo
If i was Niwa i'd probably quit about 5 minutes into the match. No point in trying when you already lost.

dchow1992
04-08-2019, 05:20 PM
ma long 11-1 head to head with koki niwa.
40 - 10 games won and half of koki's games are from 2013

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 06:26 PM
Ma Long is ahead vs every other player. Does that mean that his opponents should leave WO when they're up against him? In that case they have the loser mentality and should start taking ballet classes or something else where there's no opponents to lose to.


ma long 11-1 head to head with koki niwa.
40 - 10 games won and half of koki's games are from 2013

NextLevel
04-08-2019, 06:42 PM
Ma Long is ahead vs every other player. Does that mean that his opponents should leave WO when they're up against him? In that case they have the loser mentality and should start taking ballet classes or something else where there's no opponents to lose to.

Tell Koki Niwa what to do. Coach him.

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 07:10 PM
I'll coach him towards the nearest ballet academy.


Tell Koki Niwa what to do. Coach him.

NextLevel
04-08-2019, 07:27 PM
I'll coach him towards the nearest ballet academy.

Sure. It is not a fighting thing, he knows he lacks the weapons to get the job done. Ever played someone who after a few points you realize there is no point chasing the ball to block it because they will just loop to the opposite corner and never miss until you do? That is how Koki feels. He is more of a serve and serve return player than a rally player so he just realizes that none of his plays are getting him advantages - where is the fun in playing when you have been fully decoded?

yoass
04-08-2019, 07:33 PM
I'll coach him towards the nearest ballet academy.

You seem to think that’s a soft and easy place to be. In real life, though, it’s a place of grueling excercise, hunger, tremendous physical and mental strain, fierce rivalries, with only a very very few making it.

If there’s a place that would make LGL’s discipline seem easygoing, it’s this. Yet you keep pretending it’s a soft landing somehow for those not tough enough.

A strange idea indeed. I doubt if ZJK, ML, FZD would last more than a few days there. None so tough as the ballet dancers I’ve known. None.

RidTheKid
04-08-2019, 07:40 PM
The only solution I could give is to study Ma Long even more, and practice even harder. What's the alternative? Wait till Ma Long retires?


Sure. It is not a fighting thing, he knows he lacks the weapons to get the job done. Ever played someone who after a few points you realize there is no point chasing the ball to block it because they will just loop to the opposite corner and never miss until you do? That is how Koki feels. He is more of a serve and serve return player than a rally player so he just realizes that none of his plays are getting him advantages - where is the fun in playing when you have been fully decoded?