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Dan
04-19-2019, 04:25 PM
Hey guys! Here's our latest review of the new Dignics 05 rubber by Butterfly! This is a new series by Butterfly using the their latest tech, Spring Sponge X. We compare this to the popular Tenergy 05 and more.

I'm joined by Tom in the TableTennisDaily Studio where we give the rubber a full in depth analysis on how it performs!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ3SENR1QQs

More reviews of the Dignics 05 can be found in the TableTennisDaily Equipment Review Centre here. (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/equipment/rubbers/19939-dignics-05)

Have you tried this rubber yet? Let us know in the comments.

pongforehand
04-19-2019, 05:07 PM
I do like the sound of Dignics just the price puts me off

guni4you
04-19-2019, 05:35 PM
Dan said that timo uses dignics 05 on the backhand.Any ideas what he uses on the forehand?

lugi2000
04-19-2019, 05:41 PM
Sounds more like Hurricane 8 and tenergy together

TTHopeful
04-19-2019, 05:47 PM
I tried the rubber last night on a innerforce blade. I liked it on my forehand. Are any pros using it on the forehand? If you use Chinese rubbers maybe it would suit me on the forehand.

Tinykin
04-19-2019, 05:52 PM
Interesting, Andy Smith said basically the same thing about the Dignics05 being very good on the BH.

Joe141
04-19-2019, 07:15 PM
Hi dan, In the details butterfly gave, they said that dignics has a higher arc by 22% compared to t05, however you noticed that the ball was slightly more direct. What do you think of the statistics they released, and do you feel this arc increase at all on some shots?

Skully
04-19-2019, 07:33 PM
Interesting. I know Dan will be using it on his BH, but I'm quite used to my 25 on the BH, but this feels like I could use it on the FH as I just never feel like I'm getting any grip when using T05 on my FH

NextLevel
04-19-2019, 07:40 PM
Dan gets Butterfly $1mm in sales with this review.

chikuy
04-19-2019, 07:56 PM
yeah it is because all he said was true, i personally would like to try it this year


Dan gets Butterfly $1mm in sales with this review.

Lula
04-19-2019, 08:08 PM
I really like these reviews! Fun to watch! But i feel a little that everything they test is good all the time so hard to know how good tthe tested stuff really are. Also feel that they could try to compare more to other stuff they have used so it will be easier for us to understand how good the stuff are.

I do think that tenergy, and proably dignics is the best stuff out there but i do not think that many of us are good enough to really benefit from the rubbers and make it worth the money. For many of us other cheaper rubbers would work as good. maybe other rubbers that are not as "good" would even benefit us more. for Many not so good players, that need to work with the technique tenergys and dignics maybe could be just to fast.

AndySmith
04-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Interesting, Andy Smith said basically the same thing about the Dignics05 being very good on the BH.

It's very strong on shots that rely on fine contact - BH flick receives are incredible with it. Has a really special performance in that area. It's also a lot of fun in those mid-distance loop-loop rallies where you can react to a dropping ball with a bit more wrist action to generate the extra arc you need - the lack of sharp catapult and overall smoother experience does inspire confidence. I had a few of the same rallies you see with Dan and Tom, only at a...slightly...lower level (Dan and Tom being the Gucci handbags of loop-loop, me and my guys being Poundland plastic buckets) - but they still felt epic at the time.

If there was one downside (because there's always a downside, putting the outrageous cost to one side) it's that it doesn't feel totally familiar in some situations. The catapult is pretty restrained compared to T05, which I feel is a good thing for me, but the way that the topsheet is immediately active with slight action feels a bit strange initially. It's very flat during direct impacts - passive/active blocking, flat hits and so on. But then just a little bit of topsheet work results in an immediate result. It's not uncontrollable by any means, and the more linear nature helps to restrain the suddenness of this, but I had two first-session issues. First - when close-in playing basic topspin drives, adding a little more action to increase the spin from a "vanilla" shot would give a surprisingly high/long ball. Second - when playing topspin, then coming in to flat-hit-kill a loose ball, I'd put the ball into the net because I got used to the easy arc from the preceding topspin play. Nothing awful, and would just need some adjustment time. I think lineup32 over at myTT mentioned something along these lines - amazing shots most of the time, more solidity/reliability making it easier to use than T05, but the odd unusual error which takes you by surprise.

But it's SO strong when attacking backspin when over the table - it's almost worth the money for that alone. Almost.

chikuy
04-19-2019, 08:17 PM
Any ideas ??????????


Dan said that timo uses dignics 05 on the backhand.Any ideas what he uses on the forehand?

AndySmith
04-19-2019, 08:21 PM
Any ideas ??????????

Boll's FH - it was T05 Hard for a while. Then he got spotted using Tenergy 09C a few months ago.

chikuy
04-19-2019, 08:24 PM
Thanks AndySmith

Boll's FH - it was T05 Hard for a while. Then he got spotted using Tenergy 09C a few months ago.

yogi_bear
04-19-2019, 09:08 PM
40 degrees is equal to what hardness in ESN? 48??

AndySmith
04-19-2019, 09:27 PM
40 degrees is equal to what hardness in ESN? 48??

I don't think anyone knows how to accurately compare the scales the different manufacturers use. Zeio had the most info about that if I recall. But I'd say it's close to 48 if my guess counts. I thought it would feel harder than it does - only slightly harder than T05 overall, so I guess the topsheet must be playing into that somewhat.

ttmonster
04-19-2019, 09:52 PM
Nothing will ever be worth paying 105 USD for a sheet ... don't get me wrong I own few of the of the more expensive equipments and have used Butterfly stuff a lot but this is just ridiculous

It's very strong on shots that rely on fine contact - BH flick receives are incredible with it. Has a really special performance in that area. It's also a lot of fun in those mid-distance loop-loop rallies where you can react to a dropping ball with a bit more wrist action to generate the extra arc you need - the lack of sharp catapult and overall smoother experience does inspire confidence. I had a few of the same rallies you see with Dan and Tom, only at a...slightly...lower level (Dan and Tom being the Gucci handbags of loop-loop, me and my guys being Poundland plastic buckets) - but they still felt epic at the time.

If there was one downside (because there's always a downside, putting the outrageous cost to one side) it's that it doesn't feel totally familiar in some situations. The catapult is pretty restrained compared to T05, which I feel is a good thing for me, but the way that the topsheet is immediately active with slight action feels a bit strange initially. It's very flat during direct impacts - passive/active blocking, flat hits and so on. But then just a little bit of topsheet work results in an immediate result. It's not uncontrollable by any means, and the more linear nature helps to restrain the suddenness of this, but I had two first-session issues. First - when close-in playing basic topspin drives, adding a little more action to increase the spin from a "vanilla" shot would give a surprisingly high/long ball. Second - when playing topspin, then coming in to flat-hit-kill a loose ball, I'd put the ball into the net because I got used to the easy arc from the preceding topspin play. Nothing awful, and would just need some adjustment time. I think lineup32 over at myTT mentioned something along these lines - amazing shots most of the time, more solidity/reliability making it easier to use than T05, but the odd unusual error which takes you by surprise.

But it's SO strong when attacking backspin when over the table - it's almost worth the money for that alone. Almost.

NextLevel
04-19-2019, 09:59 PM
$105 = 3 sheets of Fastarc C-1 or Fastarc G-1. That for me ends the discussion right there.

Joe141
04-19-2019, 10:14 PM
Are people feeling a higher or lower arc than t05

vik2000
04-19-2019, 10:16 PM
More like four sheets with TT11's buy 4 for 3.

whocarez
04-19-2019, 11:09 PM
I find the information about the arc a bit confusing. Not sure what may be true when compared to T05, but it sounds like it has a slightly lower arc.

Carl05
04-19-2019, 11:31 PM
Guys, seriously, the price tag is ridiculous. I know that you will give loads of good facts about why is that spensive, but please, do not support that kind of movements from the TT Brands or we will end all paying 50€ per a random rubber in a few years.
Don't get me wrong I'm not being a hater, just triying to call the community common sense.
Kind regards.

Giangt
04-20-2019, 07:14 AM
Hey guys! Here's our latest review of the new Dignics 05 rubber by Butterfly!
Great review again Dan! Could you elaborate a but more why you think the Dignics 05 would be better for your BH than T05? Could you take a picture of the sheets of T05 and D05 side by side? Thanks buddy.

yoass
04-20-2019, 10:01 AM
40 degrees is equal to what hardness in ESN? 48??

53, according to the conversion tables I've seen.

DonnOlsen
04-20-2019, 11:57 AM
Hi,

The totality of evidence we have to-date, provided by an impressive group of analysts, forces the drawing of the conclusion that Butterfly has made a major mistake in its pricing of Dignics. The spectacular qualities of the Tenergy line so closely approached the optimal range of rubber qualities for the contemporary offensive player that, short of a yet-to-be-discovered-and-realized confluence of new materials and engineering brilliance, there is now no means of effecting a major technology advancement in offensive rubbers. Refinements, yes; fundamental advancement, no.

The pricing of Dignics implicitly declared that Dignics had attained a standard that it did not.

In reflecting on the existing strong thread in the table tennis community on the perception of the excessive pricing of the Tenergy series, the excellent reviews of the specific qualities of Dignics, when juxtaposed with the Tenergy series, makes the Dignics pricing even more absurd.

Dignics is another great rubber from Butterfly. It should be priced at the Tenergy level.

Thanks.

yogi_bear
04-20-2019, 12:08 PM
Lol did i just read a google translate?

RidTheKid
04-20-2019, 01:04 PM
I will probably offer nothing of value to this discussion, only my opinion. I just want to say that I have absolutely zero interest in Dignics, and there are two reasons for this:

1. It will not make you a better player. Practice TT will. Ma Long will beat you with a pocket book.
2. I already have the best rubbers in the universe.

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 01:09 PM
53, according to the conversion tables I've seen.

I think it was Zeio who brought up the difficulty of conversion tables with this stuff. If ESN use Shore and BTY Asker scales, the measuring devices and processes are so different that there isn't a 1:1 conversion of any accuracy worth using.

FWIW, Dignics 05 feels nowhere near 53. Much softer.


I find the information about the arc a bit confusing. Not sure what may be true when compared to T05, but it sounds like it has a slightly lower arc.

Reports on arc can be very subjective, so take everything with a pinch of salt. Overall I'd say that D05 is still a high-arc rubber. Compared to T05, D05 is easier to generate that arc on slower, finer contact shots, so it feels higher arc when playing slow loops, opening up against backspin and so on. On much harder shots it's a bit lower arc than T05, but not low by any means. The middle gears are pretty much the same IMO.

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 01:14 PM
Guys, seriously, the price tag is ridiculous. I know that you will give loads of good facts about why is that spensive, but please, do not support that kind of movements from the TT Brands or we will end all paying 50€ per a random rubber in a few years.
Don't get me wrong I'm not being a hater, just triying to call the community common sense.
Kind regards.

The price is horrible - I didn't pay full retail for my sheet and if I couldn't import it for less then I wouldn't have bothered. The only way the price increase makes any sense is if BTY's claim of increased durability means I can get much more use out of it. And even then I don't like the trend that it may establish. But this shouldn't be news - BTY's pricing policy for Tenergy has always been grim in my eyes.

lineup321
04-20-2019, 03:40 PM
The price is horrible - I didn't pay full retail for my sheet and if I couldn't import it for less then I wouldn't have bothered. The only way the price increase makes any sense is if BTY's claim of increased durability means I can get much more use out of it. And even then I don't like the trend that it may establish. But this shouldn't be news - BTY's pricing policy for Tenergy has always been grim in my eyes.

If it works for the TT player the price is fine. We are not talking about housing or health care which are critical elements in life rather TT rubbers. It was great to see Dan's review as he had actually used the rubber for 3 weeks extensively and could provide a creditable review of its capability rather than having short practice session and offering his opinion and he never discussed price vs performance as he understands its up to the individual players to make that judgement.

NDH
04-20-2019, 04:22 PM
If it works for the TT player the price is fine. We are not talking about housing or health care which are critical elements in life rather TT rubbers. It was great to see Dan's review as he had actually used the rubber for 3 weeks extensively and could provide a creditable review of its capability rather than having short practice session and offering his opinion and he never discussed price vs performance as he understands its up to the individual players to make that judgement.

I half agree with you on the price side of things - If someone can afford it, who are we to tell them it’s bad just because of the price?

But..... I think it’s the overall trend that would concern me. £56 for Tenergy now feels “normal”, for many players in the UK - But in reality, it’s a hefty price to pay (although I still pay it!)

So I fully understand people wanting to make a stand against this type of pricing structure, and the only way you can do that is by not buying the product.

Butterfly are acting like Apple - A marketing company that produces table tennis equipment.

The ONLY way you can justify Dignics is if it does last longer than Tenergy, but with the entry barrier being so high, it’ll exclude thousands of players regardless.

I thought Dans review was good, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near enough for me to buy it. Having tried it myself (briefly), there was nothing that stood out as revolutionary.

It could have easily been called “Tenergy XYZ” and would have fit into that family very nicely.

Maybe the extra performance comes from people feeling invincible with their super expensive rubber!

brokenball
04-20-2019, 04:22 PM
I find the information about the arc a bit confusing. Not sure what may be true when compared to T05, but it sounds like it has a slightly lower arc.
This is a very good question. The tighter the radius of the arc, the greater the spin is. Dan seemed to contradict this.
If T05 has a tighter arc, then T05 creates more spin all other things being evil

The force that causes the ball to drop or create the arc is called the Magnus effect.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/329/lectures/node43.html
Notice the statement at the end that says the force due to the Magnus effect is about 1/3 the force of gravity for a base ball.


Dan's evaluation was very subjective , inconsistent and misleading. It would have been better to shoot tt balls at a sheets of Dignics and Tenergy mounted on thick wood, plastic or steel that wouldn't absorb energy and make videos like PathFinderPro. Then it would be easier to see the difference.

How do you measure more grip? Inverted rubbers already are very grippy. I would try to find the coefficient of friction. As the ball impacts the rubber, the force increases. The friction eventually stops the rotation of the ball. This probably happens in micro seconds. This is too fast to be seen on a high speed camera, but two TT balls could be carefully cut in two to create 4 halves and then these can be glued to something flat. This can be dragged across the surface of Tenergy and Dignics to measure the relative drag or friction. It would be good to add weight to the flat surface to simulate higher forces of impact.

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 04:52 PM
If it works for the TT player the price is fine. We are not talking about housing or health care which are critical elements in life rather TT rubbers. It was great to see Dan's review as he had actually used the rubber for 3 weeks extensively and could provide a creditable review of its capability rather than having short practice session and offering his opinion and he never discussed price vs performance as he understands its up to the individual players to make that judgement.

Dan's review was excellent. He didn't mention the price at all, which I felt was something of a small red flag actually rather than "he's leaving it up to us to decide", because he's obviously prepared to give his opinion on the rubber in every other way. I wonder if he paid money for the rubber, as I did, or if he was sent them for free? Worth considering I think. If he had discussed value for money, but received the rubber for free, he may have been in a tricky position. If he didn't buy them with his own cash then he did the right thing and kept a value judgement out of it.

It should be plainly obvious that value judgments are incredibly subjective and personal. I don't feel the need to add "in my opinion, based on my financial circumstances" at the end of any sentence where I discuss the price. I don't feel like anyone reading my post would be so stupid to think that "it's too expensive" is a universal statement applying equally to a TT player on the poverty line and Elon Musk. But to compare rubber prices to housing or health care is a really odd stance to take, IMO. I presume we can just have rubbers at any price, so long as some arbitrary other social costs you pluck out of the air aren't impacted or comparable? For me, this price is mad and the rubber must do mad things to justify it, or I simply can't/won't pay it. I have too many other outgoings and interests in my life to accept it, beyond the "principle" of the matter where we look at the overall TT marketplace (as NDH and others on this thread have said). I don't expect everyone to agree with this - it's just an opinion.

I presume the comment about the single practice session was aimed at me. Tell you what - before I start to discuss a rubber in future I'll check in with you, the gatekeeper of TT forums, to check that I've used it for long enough before I start to chat about it. I hope that's OK with you? I'm a long way from doing a review, if I choose to do so at all. Just random thoughts after a single session, which I made clear. You shouldn't compare my posts with Dan's full review - it's silly to even try to give them equal weighting, and even sillier to try to make out that I'm trying to do the same.

Dr Evil
04-20-2019, 04:53 PM
I hope Dignics is a giant success, all the pros start using it, demand for Tenergy drops off a cliff, and Butterfly has to lower the price of T05. So, please, from now on only positive reviews. That shouldn't be too hard because D05 is an excellent rubber based on my 10 minute hit with it on a borrowed blade. Slightly harder, less bouncy than T05, even grippier. Unique feel. In conclusion, a sheet of D05 is easily $200 worth of rubber for only $105. That's what I call a bargain.

yogi_bear
04-20-2019, 05:28 PM
Question is, will the sponsored players be willing to change from Tenergy to Dignics.

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 05:30 PM
Question is, will the sponsored players be willing to change from Tenergy to Dignics.

Some already have. But they don't have to pay for their rubber so their considerations are different to most of us. And that's without considering the difference in playing standard.

lineup321
04-20-2019, 05:58 PM
Dan's review was excellent. He didn't mention the price at all, which I felt was something of a small red flag actually rather than "he's leaving it up to us to decide", because he's obviously prepared to give his opinion on the rubber in every other way. I wonder if he paid money for the rubber, as I did, or if he was sent them for free? Worth considering I think. If he had discussed value for money, but received the rubber for free, he may have been in a tricky position. If he didn't buy them with his own cash then he did the right thing and kept a value judgement out of it.

It should be plainly obvious that value judgments are incredibly subjective and personal. I don't feel the need to add "in my opinion, based on my financial circumstances" at the end of any sentence where I discuss the price. I don't feel like anyone reading my post would be so stupid to think that "it's too expensive" is a universal statement applying equally to a TT player on the poverty line and Elon Musk. But to compare rubber prices to housing or health care is a really odd stance to take, IMO. I presume we can just have rubbers at any price, so long as some arbitrary other social costs you pluck out of the air aren't impacted or comparable? For me, this price is mad and the rubber must do mad things to justify it, or I simply can't/won't pay it. I have too many other outgoings and interests in my life to accept it, beyond the "principle" of the matter where we look at the overall TT marketplace (as NDH and others on this thread have said). I don't expect everyone to agree with this - it's just an opinion.

I presume the comment about the single practice session was aimed at me. Tell you what - before I start to discuss a rubber in future I'll check in with you, the gatekeeper of TT forums, to check that I've used it for long enough before I start to chat about it. I hope that's OK with you? I'm a long way from doing a review, if I choose to do so at all. Just random thoughts after a single session, which I made clear. You shouldn't compare my posts with Dan's full review - it's silly to even try to give them equal weighting, and even sillier to try to make out that I'm trying to do the same.

No the comment about the single practice session was not aimed at you, I have read many of your reviews of not all your rubber reivew, I just think price has noting to do with whether someone may or may not find the rubber attractive from a performance review point of view.

Best to you

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 06:29 PM
No the comment about the single practice session was not aimed at you, I have read many of your reviews of not all your rubber reivew, I just think price has noting to do with whether someone may or may not find the rubber attractive from a performance review point of view.

Best to you

Oh. Well, I feel a bit silly now. Many apologies! At least we can all see how overly sensitive I am now.

Tinykin
04-20-2019, 06:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrExtb315x0

AndySmith
04-20-2019, 08:28 PM
Interesting that Pitchford's profile now has him using T05 Hard and D05. If you have faith in the accuracy of this kind of thing:

https://www.butterfly.co.jp/players/detail/pitchford-liam.html

thomas.pong
04-20-2019, 09:46 PM
$105 = 3 sheets of Fastarc C-1 or Fastarc G-1. That for me ends the discussion right there.

Hi NextLevel,

What would you say is the hardness of G-1 and C-1?

What made you change from MX-P (or was it MX-S?) to G-1?

NextLevel
04-21-2019, 11:43 AM
Hi NextLevel,

What would you say is the hardness of G-1 and C-1?

What made you change from MX-P (or was it MX-S?) to G-1?
G-1 is pretty hard maybe like Vega Pro and around 47 degrees. C-1 is a bit softer closer to 45 degrees. But it is still a hard topsheet like G‐1.

G-1 comes from the same generation as Barracuda, Genius and Hexer which I all liked with the plastic ball but which all didn't suit my game in one way or another. MX-S is just too heavy and I needed something I could swing to get the ball moving without hitting too hard. It is quite possible that my slow blades and large strokes are the real problem. But MX-S is a heavy rubber. I needed something that sometimes let me get a good ball with less effort.

thomas.pong
04-21-2019, 12:07 PM
G-1 is pretty hard maybe like Vega Pro and around 47 degrees. C-1 is a bit softer closer to 45 degrees. But it is still a hard topsheet like G‐1.

G-1 comes from the same generation as Barracuda, Genius and Hexer which I all liked with the plastic ball but which all didn't suit my game in one way or another. MX-S is just too heavy and I needed something I could swing to get the ball moving without hitting too hard. It is quite possible that my slow blades and large strokes are the real problem. But MX-S is a heavy rubber. I needed something that sometimes let me get a good ball with less effort.

Thank you for the valuable info! I had tried C-1 3-4 years ago and remembered it to be softer but wasn't sure. Yes, I find MX-S and MX-P to be too heavy as well. Good to know G-1 and C-1 are not so heavy. Looking for something a bit harder than Rakza 7 Soft but not too heavy, so C-1, Rozena or back to Tenergy FX might be good options for me.

zeio
04-21-2019, 12:08 PM
I hope Dignics is a giant success, all the pros start using it, demand for Tenergy drops off a cliff, and Butterfly has to lower the price of T05. So, please, from now on only positive reviews. That shouldn't be too hard because D05 is an excellent rubber based on my 10 minute hit with it on a borrowed blade. Slightly harder, less bouncy than T05, even grippier. Unique feel. In conclusion, a sheet of D05 is easily $200 worth of rubber for only $105. That's what I call a bargain.

Demand for Tenergy (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20860-Dignics-and-its-Effect-on-Sales-of-Tenergy-and-Rozena) is higher than ever now. Price gonna rise forever. Same thing happened when Tenergy was released a decade ago. Sriver cost roughly US$20, now $36.

brokenball
04-21-2019, 02:43 PM
Butterfly is a ripoff. I bought my first sheets of T05 for $55 a sheet from the Paddle Palace in 2009. Inflation and the yen/$ ratio don't account for the increase in price.

I like the TT11 4 for 3 bargains. Rakza 7 is good enough.
I like Vega Pro too but I haven't seen any 4 for 3 bargains on Vega Pro.

What force/impulse can you make with T05 or D05 that you can't make with Vega Pro?

Dr Evil
04-21-2019, 03:13 PM
Butterfly is a ripoff. I bought my first sheets of T05 for $55 a sheet from the Paddle Palace in 2009. Inflation and the yen/$ ratio don't account for the increase in price.

I like the TT11 4 for 3 bargains. Rakza 7 is good enough.
I like Vega Pro too but I haven't seen any 4 for 3 bargains on Vega Pro.

What force/impulse can you make with T05 or D05 that you can't make with Vega Pro?
While I applaud your effort to reduce demand for T05, I think the target market will only move in response to something even better, not to something merely good enough. It's true you can make the same kind of shots with Vega Pro, but the inconvenient truth is that it's easier with T05.

yoass
04-21-2019, 04:23 PM
Mumble mumble placebo effect mumble.

729B2
04-21-2019, 06:27 PM
anyone boosted dignics 05 yet and how does it compare to 05 boosted?

FruitLoop
04-21-2019, 07:29 PM
Butterfly is a ripoff. I bought my first sheets of T05 for $55 a sheet from the Paddle Palace in 2009. Inflation and the yen/$ ratio don't account for the increase in price.

I like the TT11 4 for 3 bargains. Rakza 7 is good enough.
I like Vega Pro too but I haven't seen any 4 for 3 bargains on Vega Pro.

What force/impulse can you make with T05 or D05 that you can't make with Vega Pro?

Vega Pro has been 4 for 3 on TT11 for years now.

fanoftt
04-21-2019, 07:54 PM
there are a lot of good rubbers on the market, you just need to find right rubber blade combinations..

I don't play with T05 for over a year now, they are imho mushy with new abs plastic balls. I switched to chinese rubbers on FHD (DianChi D), on BH GoldArc 8

lineup321
04-22-2019, 03:14 AM
I am sure Butterfly has done considerable research on creating a price point for Dig05 which would create separation between it and Tenergy. No way they would price this product at or near the Tenergy price points as it offers them nothing but moving business from one product line to another. Better to establish the Dig05 niche price point as an upgrade rubber technology and hopefully generate new business niche they can expand overtime. Butterfly is hoping to have its all.

ttmonster
04-22-2019, 05:00 AM
Thats why we should not buy it at all .. let them bring it to the same price point as Tenergy or lower :P and we can think of buying it .... lol

I am sure Butterfly has done considerable research on creating a price point for Dig05 which would create separation between it and Tenergy. No way they would price this product at or near the Tenergy price points as it offers them nothing but moving business from one product line to another. Better to establish the Dig05 niche price point as an upgrade rubber technology and hopefully generate new business niche they can expand overtime. Butterfly is hoping to have its all.

igorponger
04-22-2019, 05:26 AM
Butterfly Tenergy export to Egypt, Cairo, national sport center, 40 USD/ Belorussian coach makes huge money from reselling the rubber/

Be happy//

ttmonster
04-22-2019, 06:01 PM
Is there a reason to tell on him ? Let him make his money on the side and let some people with connections play with tenergy for what its actually worth !

Butterfly Tenergy export to Egypt, Cairo, national sport center, 40 USD/ Belorussian coach makes huge money from reselling the rubber/

Be happy//

whocarez
04-23-2019, 07:27 PM
But..... I think it’s the overall trend that would concern me. £56 for Tenergy now feels “normal”, for many players in the UK - But in reality, it’s a hefty price to pay (although I still pay it!)

So I fully understand people wanting to make a stand against this type of pricing structure, and the only way you can do that is by not buying the product.

Butterfly are acting like Apple - A marketing company that produces table tennis equipment.
I think you are onto something here. This is possibly a way to expand on the milk cow T05 and expand the series even more. I wonder how many rubbers in the series you can actually keep on releasing without anything that really stands out. With D09C and Tenergy 09C coming up, I am actually quite excited about if any of those will become a new flagship product or just silently fade out and disappear ;)

On a side note, I have been playing more and with a Sanwei Fextra racket and DHS Goldarc 8 on both sides lately. I like the setup better for every day that goes by, and for my simple play style, pretty close to T05. At 1/2 half the price of Tenergy and 1/3 the price of Dignics 05 I may even stay with it.

Tinykin
09-26-2019, 09:13 PM
A few months have now passed since D05 was released. Has anyone stuck with it?
I have, more to get my money's worth than anything else.
I am not good enough to give a proper review, however, I have had trouble getting to grips with its capabilities. But it clicked a month or so ago. I complained to a young player (flashy FH) that I could not play with it on my FH. He took my bat, BBC Ghost, and started driving and looping as if it was the easiest thing in the world. He loved it. Far better than the ESN that he was using, he said. Unfortunately it then dawned on me that what I thought was my decent FH was in fact crap compared to his.
What Dignics05 really requires is a player of high standard with a very good technique.
That's why I will continue to use it. If I start to get the drives and loops on the table then maybe I can consider myself to be of a high standard.
Meanwhile, I've dropped down a division in my local league this season to reflect my 'progress'.

Kolev
09-26-2019, 11:22 PM
Since one month I have a Dignics on my BH and I love it. Frankly I didn't expect it to be so controllable especially in serve returns, blocks and drives. Love the speed it offers and the Banana flip finally doesn't seem to be a fruit made just for gods. Pushes are loaded with spin...
On the other hand I don't see the Dignics bringing any specific extra for my serves