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Loopadoop
06-16-2019, 05:13 PM
Your thoughts predictions for various countries ?

BlipBlop575
06-16-2019, 05:50 PM
Japan men
Harimoto,Mizutani and Niwa

Taiwan men
LYJ, CCY and CCA

Korea men
LSS, JYS and JWJ

Germany men
Boll, Ovtcharov and Franziska

Konrad Bak
06-16-2019, 07:24 PM
Poland
Me, Kosowski Badowski Dyjas

Loopadoop
06-16-2019, 07:47 PM
Poland
Me, Kosowski Badowski Dyjas

Can you beat player/coach Milosz Przybylik ?

Konrad Bak
06-16-2019, 08:07 PM
I dont know him but I wish him luck

Loopadoop
06-16-2019, 08:40 PM
I dont know him but I wish him luck

He is from Poland, has coached some women team players.

igorponger
06-16-2019, 08:48 PM
Be aware, please, it still belongs to National Olympic Body to make a final decision.

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v100ev
06-16-2019, 08:57 PM
Well, I could probably easily guess the guys for Belarus and for Greece. :)

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-16-2019, 09:05 PM
France men
Gauzy Lebesson Akkuzu

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-16-2019, 09:07 PM
Japan (women)
Ito, Hirano, Hayata

no we don't want you anymore Kasumi, you already have 2 beautiful medals, please give a chance to Hina. Thank you for everything you've done

Loopadoop
06-16-2019, 11:38 PM
China men

Fan Zhendong, Ma Long, Xu Xin

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-17-2019, 02:19 AM
China women
LIU Shiwen, DING Ning, SUN Yingsha

Loopadoop
06-17-2019, 02:46 AM
USA Women

Lily Zhang, Yue Wu, Amy Wang

drunix80
06-17-2019, 05:16 AM
China women
LIU Shiwen, DING Ning, SUN Yingsha

I think Ding Ning might get the boot this time. Lately her performance is nothing to write about.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-17-2019, 05:22 AM
yes definitely DING Ning is the most likely to get the boot but she is the defending champion so I'm counting on that

if she is being told she won't be there, i think to save face, she will announce by herself her retirement because she wants to marry or something like that

driversbeat
06-17-2019, 07:45 AM
I think China's selection is split into 2 categories:

Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha (3 choose 2)

Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning (2 choose 1)

Maybe Zhu Yuling is somewhere in there since she won the Japan Open with Xu Xin but it will take a miracle to convince coaches that she's ready for 2020.

Janard
06-17-2019, 08:45 AM
Ma Long and Liu Shiwen will 100% be going to Tokyo 2020 but only the former is 100% getting a Singles ticket (unless his injury acts up) while the latter's chances are about 80-90% (up in the air until she confirms that she can effectively defeat Ito and Hayata; Ishikawa and Hirano have never beaten her so those two are already tried and tested to be ineffectual). Slightly unfortunate for LSW as well is the fact that her other teammates are undependable at XD so she might have to give up the Singles event to make up for that. CM didn't step up enough when XX was underperforming at the China Open while ZYL was fortunate that Harimoto is average at doubles so XX could overpower the Japanese pair easily two days ago. FZD/DN's combination has proven to be completely underwhelming. Even though I adore LSW, I have to say that she has yet to achieve the requisite stamina needed to participate in three concurrent events. The WS finals yesterday against SYS proved that back-to-back matches with little breaks in between do take a toll on her (she basically lost her focus during the last two games despite being on par with/possibly ranking above her 18 y/o colleague in terms of skills).

For DN to be selected for the Olympics (let's be frank here and acknowledge that she only has the team event right now), she has to make sure that her previously touted 'golden pairing' with LSW at the upcoming Korean and Australian Opens wins gold at both. After all, LSW has proven numerous times that she can win doubles equally with both left-handed (e.g. Gu Yuting, Ding Ning) and right-handed (e.g. Chen Meng, Zhu Yuling) players so the test really falls on whether DN will be the burden. After all, DN has only succeeded once (with LSW no doubt) out of her five WD finals at the WTTC which in all honesty looks bad on her. Whether WMY participates depends on DN's form nearing the Olympics – her young age and lack of major credentials place her in a passive position to fight for a spot. SYS is surely being groomed to take over but likely for future Olympics (e.g. 2024 Paris). Her chances of being a reserve player are pretty high though. As revealed by LSW, a reserve player's role is no easy feat. S/he has to be the sparring partner for all three colleagues during the entire competition, morning till night, sometimes at the expense of his/her own meal-time. DN's old age and declining skill level makes her a poor candidate compared to SYS, so she will be completely dropped if she doesn't make the 3-person team. CM does well internally and internationally so her chances are only secondary to LSW, as she has yet to reach the level whereby she can lead others (and has flailed on two important finals e.g. WTTC 2019 and Asian Cups 2018 and 2019). The fact that she depended on LSW to devise tactical plans for their WD win (compared to her constant failures w same-gen ZYL and the younger SYS) demonstrates that the CNT's practice of having a veteran lead a junior is necessary. ZYL is completely out of the picture – she is always part of the losses to foreigners (read Japanese; Ito, Hirano, Nagasaki). It's not just about losing, it's about losing really badly (i.e. crumbling).

Like LSW, XX is 100% going to Tokyo 2020 but his doubles specialist status also places him in an disadvantaged position to compete for a Singles spot. Nonetheless, his recent triple win at the JO ensures that such a possibility is not completely foreclosed. FZD's past results make him a naturally strong contender. LGY will be a reserve player at best because fielding two left-handers will force ML to play doubles during the team event. LJK has yet to achieve World Champion status so his chances of going are pretty slim as well.

My predictions: LSW, CM, DN/WMY (reserve WMY if DN goes or SYS if WMY goes) & ML, XX, FZD (reserve LGY).

Vlad Celler
06-17-2019, 08:55 AM
to Janard

Japan ?
(https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?62679-Janard)

FortunaICR
06-17-2019, 11:03 AM
Ma Long and Liu Shiwen will 100% be going to Tokyo 2020 but only the former is 100% getting a Singles ticket (unless his injury acts up) while the latter's chances are about 80-90% (up in the air until she confirms that she can effectively defeat Ito and Hayata; Ishikawa and Hirano have never beaten her so those two are already tried and tested to be ineffectual). Slightly unfortunate for LSW as well is the fact that her other teammates are undependable at XD so she might have to give up the Singles event to make up for that. CM didn't step up enough when XX was underperforming at the China Open while ZYL was fortunate that Harimoto is average at doubles so XX could overpower the Japanese pair easily two days ago. FZD/DN's combination has proven to be completely underwhelming. Even though I adore LSW, I have to say that she has yet to achieve the requisite stamina needed to participate in three concurrent events. The WS finals yesterday against SYS proved that back-to-back matches with little breaks in between do take a toll on her (she basically lost her focus during the last two games despite being on par with/possibly ranking above her 18 y/o colleague in terms of skills).

For DN to be selected for the Olympics (let's be frank here and acknowledge that she only has the team event right now), she has to make sure that her previously touted 'golden pairing' with LSW at the upcoming Korean and Australian Opens wins gold at both. After all, LSW has proven numerous times that she can win doubles equally with both left-handed (e.g. Gu Yuting, Ding Ning) and right-handed (e.g. Chen Meng, Zhu Yuling) players so the test really falls on whether DN will be the burden. After all, DN has only succeeded once (with LSW no doubt) out of her five WD finals at the WTTC which in all honesty looks bad on her. Whether WMY participates depends on DN's form nearing the Olympics – her young age and lack of major credentials place her in a passive position to fight for a spot. SYS is surely being groomed to take over but likely for future Olympics (e.g. 2024 Paris). Her chances of being a reserve player are pretty high though. As revealed by LSW, a reserve player's role is no easy feat. S/he has to be the sparring partner for all three colleagues during the entire competition, morning till night, sometimes at the expense of his/her own meal-time. DN's old age and declining skill level makes her a poor candidate compared to SYS, so she will be completely dropped if she doesn't make the 3-person team. CM does well internally and internationally so her chances are only secondary to LSW, as she has yet to reach the level whereby she can lead others (and has flailed on two important finals e.g. WTTC 2019 and Asian Cups 2018 and 2019). The fact that she depended on LSW to devise tactical plans for their WD win (compared to her constant failures w same-gen ZYL and the younger SYS) demonstrates that the CNT's practice of having a veteran lead a junior is necessary. ZYL is completely out of the picture – she is always part of the losses to foreigners (read Japanese; Ito, Hirano, Nagasaki). It's not just about losing, it's about losing really badly (i.e. crumbling).

Like LSW, XX is 100% going to Tokyo 2020 but his doubles specialist status also places him in an disadvantaged position to compete for a Singles spot. Nonetheless, his recent triple win at the JO ensures that such a possibility is not completely foreclosed. FZD's past results make him a naturally strong contender. LGY will be a reserve player at best because fielding two left-handers will force ML to play doubles during the team event. LJK has yet to achieve World Champion status so his chances of going are pretty slim as well.

My predictions: LSW, CM, DN/WMY (reserve WMY if DN goes or SYS if WMY goes) & ML, XX, FZD (reserve LGY).

My predicition is for the CNT in the team spot: LSW, CM, WMY

Why i did not mentionend DN? In my opinion DN is getting weaker. Mima Ito outplayed her at the China open. She is not able to handle with the speed and placement of Mima Ito shots and she plays an outdated style. Because Mima Ito is improving constantly as well as Miu Hirano and consequently they would destroy her and then the CNT has a vulnerable point IMO.

For the singles spot a lineup with LSW and CM would be the best. LSW is the current world champion and Chen Meng will be the next captain (when the time comes and LSW has to retire) and she has insane power shots and her style is a very effective weapon against Mima Ito and Miu Hirano.

Janard
06-17-2019, 11:52 AM
to Janard

Japan ?
(https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?62679-Janard)

There is less room for discussion because the Japanese has laid out some clear guidelines for its Olympics candidates, namely that the top two highest ranked players will participate in the Singles event while the third member joining the Team will be recommended by the JTTA.

At the moment, it seems like Hirano and Ito will play Singles (Kasumi will fall behind by then I believe based on this thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20935-Japan-Women-s-Race-to-Tokyo-2020-Singles)). The third player will likely be a left-handed player, with Hina Hayata the most probable? I don't think the JNT places that much of an emphasis on experience compared to the CNT (or the rest of the world for that matter). If anything, Kasumi can be the reserve player so that she will still be there to provide some advice I suppose? On court, there is Mika Baba. Plus, Ito has been to Rio before (was Hirano the reserve then?) so it's not like Ito-Hirano-Hayata will be a completely experience-less trio. If the JNT is willing to revise its guidelines, I would say Ito and Hayata are the better choices for Singles. Hayata in particular plays with inverted rubber on both sides which IMO is the most balanced setup at the moment. Plus, she is relatively tall, fast and produces some very spinny shots which are difficult to return. She actually did as well as can be against XX during XD two days ago. Impressive for their first encounter. My two-cents.

will_999
06-17-2019, 11:23 PM
I think Ding Ning might get the boot this time. Lately her performance is nothing to write about.
China Women
Chen Meng, Liu Shiwen, Wang Manyu

ping fun
06-18-2019, 03:11 AM
I think Ding ning will be in Tokyo for sure for defending her title , Liu shiwen as the World champion . Chen Meng and Wang Manyu one of these two will be there too , Ii seems chen meng has a better chance .

In men side Ma long and Fan zhendong and Xu Xin .

For my country Iran the players can be , Noshad Alamian for men and Neda Shahsavari for women . Nima has improved alot In these years too . He has a chance alongside his brother .

NextLevel
06-18-2019, 05:28 AM
Ma Long and Liu Shiwen will 100% be going to Tokyo 2020 but only the former is 100% getting a Singles ticket (unless his injury acts up) while the latter's chances are about 80-90% (up in the air until she confirms that she can effectively defeat Ito and Hayata; Ishikawa and Hirano have never beaten her so those two are already tried and tested to be ineffectual). Slightly unfortunate for LSW as well is the fact that her other teammates are undependable at XD so she might have to give up the Singles event to make up for that. CM didn't step up enough when XX was underperforming at the China Open while ZYL was fortunate that Harimoto is average at doubles so XX could overpower the Japanese pair easily two days ago. FZD/DN's combination has proven to be completely underwhelming. Even though I adore LSW, I have to say that she has yet to achieve the requisite stamina needed to participate in three concurrent events. The WS finals yesterday against SYS proved that back-to-back matches with little breaks in between do take a toll on her (she basically lost her focus during the last two games despite being on par with/possibly ranking above her 18 y/o colleague in terms of skills).

For DN to be selected for the Olympics (let's be frank here and acknowledge that she only has the team event right now), she has to make sure that her previously touted 'golden pairing' with LSW at the upcoming Korean and Australian Opens wins gold at both. After all, LSW has proven numerous times that she can win doubles equally with both left-handed (e.g. Gu Yuting, Ding Ning) and right-handed (e.g. Chen Meng, Zhu Yuling) players so the test really falls on whether DN will be the burden. After all, DN has only succeeded once (with LSW no doubt) out of her five WD finals at the WTTC which in all honesty looks bad on her. Whether WMY participates depends on DN's form nearing the Olympics – her young age and lack of major credentials place her in a passive position to fight for a spot. SYS is surely being groomed to take over but likely for future Olympics (e.g. 2024 Paris). Her chances of being a reserve player are pretty high though. As revealed by LSW, a reserve player's role is no easy feat. S/he has to be the sparring partner for all three colleagues during the entire competition, morning till night, sometimes at the expense of his/her own meal-time. DN's old age and declining skill level makes her a poor candidate compared to SYS, so she will be completely dropped if she doesn't make the 3-person team. CM does well internally and internationally so her chances are only secondary to LSW, as she has yet to reach the level whereby she can lead others (and has flailed on two important finals e.g. WTTC 2019 and Asian Cups 2018 and 2019). The fact that she depended on LSW to devise tactical plans for their WD win (compared to her constant failures w same-gen ZYL and the younger SYS) demonstrates that the CNT's practice of having a veteran lead a junior is necessary. ZYL is completely out of the picture – she is always part of the losses to foreigners (read Japanese; Ito, Hirano, Nagasaki). It's not just about losing, it's about losing really badly (i.e. crumbling).

Like LSW, XX is 100% going to Tokyo 2020 but his doubles specialist status also places him in an disadvantaged position to compete for a Singles spot. Nonetheless, his recent triple win at the JO ensures that such a possibility is not completely foreclosed. FZD's past results make him a naturally strong contender. LGY will be a reserve player at best because fielding two left-handers will force ML to play doubles during the team event. LJK has yet to achieve World Champion status so his chances of going are pretty slim as well.

My predictions: LSW, CM, DN/WMY (reserve WMY if DN goes or SYS if WMY goes) & ML, XX, FZD (reserve LGY).I think the missing part of your analysis is what happens when Ding Ning is allowed to optimally prepare for a single event. She is going to the Olympics. She has done this twice already and knows what it takes. They will internally prepare her for Ito and defence. Nothing she can't handle if prepared.

PiZa
06-18-2019, 08:07 AM
France : Gauzy, Lebesson, Flore
Germany : Boll, Ovtcharov, Franziska
Croatia : Gacina, Pucar, Wei Shihao
Romania W : Szocs, Samara, Dodean
Sweden : Falck, Karlsson, Jon Persson
China W : Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning, Chen Meng

driversbeat
06-18-2019, 09:04 AM
Actually another interesting team to analyse would be the German women's team. They seem to have no front runner at the moment. The team that won silver in Rio don't seem to be very active on tour, Solja possibly due to college, while Shan Xiaona and Han Ying possibly cannot play too often due to their age. Sabine and Mittelham are decent picks but it seems impossible to determine who will play singles and even their lineup for the team event. Solja will likely go for all three events because of her mixed doubles bronze at this year's WTTC.

Janard
06-18-2019, 09:31 AM
Actually another interesting team to analyse would be the German women's team. They seem to have no front runner at the moment. The team that won silver in Rio don't seem to be very active on tour, Solja possibly due to college, while Shan Xiaona and Han Ying possibly cannot play too often due to their age. Sabine and Mittelham are decent picks but it seems impossible to determine who will play singles and even their lineup for the team event. Solja will likely go for all three events because of her mixed doubles bronze at this year's WTTC.

I think Singles will be Solja (WR#26) & Han Ying (WR#50). The former has the best overall ability as proven by her win at the latest Europe Top 16 Cup while the latter because choppers still pose a threat to even some of the top players. Third member for team probably Winter (#65). Shan (WR#165)/Mittelham (WR#45) as reserve.

purpletiesto
06-18-2019, 03:31 PM
Japan (women)
Ito, Hirano, Hayata

no we don't want you anymore Kasumi, you already have 2 beautiful medals, please give a chance to Hina. Thank you for everything you've done

I want Kasumi.

Loopadoop
06-18-2019, 04:41 PM
China women

They will send whoever is strongest vs their most dangerous opponents, Hirano and Ito

Takkyu_wa_inochi
07-07-2019, 04:44 AM
https://www.scmp.com/sport/china/article/3015394/chinese-table-tennis-feud-world-champion-liu-shiwen-opens-about-long

Janard
07-07-2019, 06:28 AM
https://www.scmp.com/sport/china/article/3015394/chinese-table-tennis-feud-world-champion-liu-shiwen-opens-about-long

That's actually not true. She considers DN as both her friend (not the kind that she will share everything with but they do share a bond from growing up and training together) AND rival (亦敌亦友), not just the latter. There are also other oddities in the translation because the author didn't pay attention to the nuances revealed during the interview.

mart1nandersson
07-07-2019, 04:35 PM
France : Gauzy, Lebesson, Flore
Germany : Boll, Ovtcharov, Franziska
Croatia : Gacina, Pucar, Wei Shihao
Romania W : Szocs, Samara, Dodean
Sweden : Falck, Karlsson, Jon Persson
China W : Liu Shiwen, Ding Ning, Chen Meng

I strongly suspect that Möregardh will steal the spot from Persson (i.e. if we get to send 3 to the various events). His potential is much greater.

NextLevel
07-07-2019, 04:39 PM
I strongly suspect that Möregardh will steal the spot from Persson (i.e. if we get to send 3 to the various events). His potential is much greater.

Third player only plays the team event or mixed doubles. Doubles is an issue for the team and Persson has been playing really well. Moregardh will likely go as an alternate and not play this time. The only way he goes is if he partners with Karlsson well as Falck is likely to play singles. Or he becomes so good at singles that he gets Falck and Karlsson to play together as doubles, though that would not square well with Karlsson and Falck playing singles.

mart1nandersson
07-07-2019, 04:48 PM
Third player only plays the team event or mixed doubles. Doubles is an issue for the team and Persson has been playing really well. Moregardh will likely go as an alternate and not play this time. The only way he goes is if he partners with Karlsson well as Falck is likely to play singles. Or he becomes so good at singles that he gets Falck and Karlsson to play together as doubles, though that would not square well with Karlsson and Falck playing singles.

Agree but I still think that Sweden should send Truls as he’s the future and Persson has passed his “best before” date. Truls and Källberg will be the backbone of the team for many years to come.

PiZa
07-07-2019, 11:46 PM
Probably the easiest team to select is England :

Drinkhall, Pitchford and Walker.

Loopadoop
07-08-2019, 12:55 AM
The USA process may get interesting after Kanak Jha for the men and Lily Zhang for the women.

driversbeat
07-08-2019, 01:07 AM
Any news on Wang Chen and her petition against USA's selection process?

lightspin
07-08-2019, 05:55 AM
Any news on Wang Chen and her petition against USA's selection process?

She is still going ahead with her lawsuit. From my understanding, as it stands now, for each Gender the USA will send the highest world ranked player, the winner of a trials tournament and if the USA can have 3 athletes, the third will be picked by the High Performance Director. Chen wants all the spots determined by a tournament.

In the past, I could understand automatically sending a player if they were top 15 in the world. However with the current ranking system, I am not a fan of sending the highest ranked player. The rankings are a mess and to even get ranked, you need the permission of the High Performance Director to play in international events. Just look at the rankings of the Chinese who are entered in the Australian Open. Are they an accurate measure of skill level? Also with some of the interesting results of the recent US Closed, players should have a right to fight for spots on the team.

Loopadoop
07-08-2019, 06:06 AM
Yue Wu #1 seed 2532 WR#37 was beaten in the US Nationals by Rachel Yang 2358 with no World Ranking. Per the USA selection process she would get an automatic bid.

drunix80
07-08-2019, 03:49 PM
CNT men's team is also probably the easiest to predict - ML , XX and FZD. FZD mostly will not play singles and be a good sparring partner for ML and also be asked to mimick Harimoto.

Brs
07-08-2019, 04:12 PM
That's actually not true. She considers DN as both her friend (not the kind that she will share everything with but they do share a bond from growing up and training together) AND rival (亦敌亦友), not just the latter. There are also other oddities in the translation because the author didn't pay attention to the nuances revealed during the interview.
Why wouldn't she feel this way? LSW was #1 and should have pkayed singles in Rio but team politics kept her out. No one can blame DN for taking her chance and I am sure LSW doesn't blame her. DN didn't select herself.

drunix80
07-08-2019, 04:13 PM
CNT men's team is also probably the easiest to predict - ML , XX and FZD. FZD mostly will not play singles and be a good sparring partner for ML and also be asked to mimick Harimoto.

But the most unexpected twist would be if they bring back ZJK from the grave. Ha Ha Ha. Wishful thinking but never gonna happen though.

Janard
07-08-2019, 04:27 PM
Why wouldn't she feel this way? LSW was #1 and should have pkayed singles in Rio but team politics kept her out. No one can blame DN for taking her chance and I am sure LSW doesn't blame her. DN didn't select herself.

I was responding to the inaccuracies in the translations after watching the original interview. I don't presume to know what LSW actually thinks, just what she did say but was translated wrongly.

zeio
07-08-2019, 05:19 PM
Why wouldn't she feel this way? LSW was #1 and should have pkayed singles in Rio but team politics kept her out. No one can blame DN for taking her chance and I am sure LSW doesn't blame her. DN didn't select herself.

No, being World No. 1 doesn't mean jack in China. Same for ML being World No. 1 didn't play in London.

China is a meritocracy. Titles are everything.

Luke James
07-08-2019, 06:31 PM
CNT men's team is also probably the easiest to predict - ML , XX and FZD. FZD mostly will not play singles and be a good sparring partner for ML and also be asked to mimick Harimoto.

Do you really think they will send XX play singles? After his losses against Mizutani in Rio and now Gauzy in WTTC I strongly doubt it. He may even only play mixed doubles event. On the other hand FZD was in final in 2017 and lost to a chinese in 2019.

It's not because XX is having a good period and is ranked number 1 now that all of a sudden he becomes the favourite over FZD to play singles in Tokyo. You need to think of the bigger picture here and not focusing on the last open.

And don't worry FZD will wake up soon he's probably just down atm because of his WTTC "early" loss.

Sali
07-08-2019, 06:50 PM
Do you really think they will send XX play singles? After his losses against Mizutani in Rio and now Gauzy in WTTC I strongly doubt it. He may even only play mixed doubles event. On the other hand FZD was in final in 2017 and lost to a chinese in 2019.

It's not because XX is having a good period and is ranked number 1 now that all of a sudden he becomes the favourite over FZD to play singles in Tokyo. You need to think of the bigger picture here and not focusing on the last open.

And don't worry FZD will wake up soon he's probably just down atm because of his WTTC "early" loss.
All chinese players besides ML lost this year to foreigners. But it seems XX worked a lot on his BH and is really tough opponent.
For me ML is certain but currently I would bet on XX.
More interesting is women side. I think CM is really complete player to attend olympics and I would be surprised if she is not included in tokyo singles. Second spot I would give to LSW who is very strong if she not meet SYS :)

Luke James
07-08-2019, 06:59 PM
But XX lost to foreigners in big matches. Not FZD. This is completly different.

Like I said, you need to think about the bigure picture. XX works his backhand for years now. In 2016 people already said this about his backhand. He's not better now than when he beat ML twice in a row in 2016 in Korean open and another one I can't remember, before Olympics. Did this make him win everything after? Absolutely not.

People just jump to conclusions so fast it's crazy. I would be extremely surprised if they pick XX for singles.
FZD is just too consistent against foreigners. He's just having a bad period. He will bounce back.

Luke James
07-08-2019, 07:10 PM
About women singles, be sure they will pick DN. She's the defending champion and won 2017 WTTC. What did CM win? Nothing.

Women's singles - DN and LSW
Men's singles - ML and FZD

Sali
07-08-2019, 07:32 PM
About women singles, be sure they will pick DN. She's the defending champion and won 2017 WTTC. What did CM win? Nothing.

Women's singles - DN and LSW
Men's singles - ML and FZD
What does it mean defending Champion if you are So inconsistent. I think DN has the worst ratio against foreigners. I would never pick her. CM did not win anything particular do far buy she is more reliable then DN. Of course we could talk About WMY or SYS but they still have Time.
XX Yes he lost some matches but he always had some ups and downs. I would bet last olympics Mizutani would easily beat ZJK if they met.
FZD lost too many matches to foreigners for About a year, which he did not used to. Of course he can improve So as LJK or LGY.

Luke James
07-08-2019, 07:42 PM
What does it mean defending Champion if you are So inconsistent. I think DN has the worst ratio against foreigners. I would never pick her. CM did not win anything particular do far buy she is more reliable then DN. Of course we could talk About WMY or SYS but they still have Time.
XX Yes he lost some matches but he always had some ups and downs. I would bet last olympics Mizutani would easily beat ZJK if they met.
FZD lost too many matches to foreigners for About a year, which he did not used to. Of course he can improve So as LJK or LGY.

It means you can handle tough situations. Don't worry for DN she will be consistent when needed. WMY or SYS are you serious? Why would they pick a player who never won anything big if they have someone who did? Because of consistency in Pro Tours? One more time, Pro Tours and Majors are totally different, you need to understand that.

"I would bet last olympics Mizutani would easily beat ZJK if they met". Yeyeye speculations again. People already predicted ZJK would lose before the Olympics started. And what happened? ZJK won all his matches against foreigners. Because even if not at his peak form and injured, he has a champion's mentality.

"FZD lost too many matches to foreigners for about a year". A YEAR? Really? Do you have a list of his losses or something? I can't recall Fan losing to foreigners except against JYS a few days ago, Harimoto months ago and Ovtcharov in German Open 2017 lol. Give me facts please.

RidTheKid
07-08-2019, 08:15 PM
FZD has lost to Calderano as well recently.


It means you can handle tough situations. Don't worry for DN she will be consistent when needed. WMY or SYS are you serious? Why would they pick a player who never won anything big if they have someone who did? Because of consistency in Pro Tours? One more time, Pro Tours and Majors are totally different, you need to understand that.

"I would bet last olympics Mizutani would easily beat ZJK if they met". Yeyeye speculations again. People already predicted ZJK would lose before the Olympics started. And what happened? ZJK won all his matches against foreigners. Because even if not at his peak form and injured, he has a champion's mentality.

"FZD lost too many matches to foreigners for about a year". A YEAR? Really? Do you have a list of his losses or something? I can't recall Fan losing to foreigners except against JYS a few days ago, Harimoto months ago and Ovtcharov in German Open 2017 lol. Give me facts please.

Tony's Table Tennis
07-08-2019, 08:16 PM
Defending champion does mean nothing, at most is just means experience.
But CNT will choose equally important on current form and results.
the last olympics was near 4 years ago.
these "aging" athletes are on the way down and prior to 2016 olympicas, the "champion" did not loose as much to foreigners
Now it is a different story....

as always, never easy to choose the CNT team for Olympics.
so many options that can win Gold, but there is always that but...

Sali
07-08-2019, 08:33 PM
I of course prefer some other players outside of china to win Just for making difference, but if I were to choose best players for olympics I would never choose DN, I know she has fighting spirit but sometimes when you play below your level spirit is not enough.
The same considered ZJK last olympics, he had better draw and luckily advance to final, of course it is speculation.
As to FZD for me he does not have fighting spirit, it is not only About foreigners but also other chinese players he started loosing. Of course there is some time, I am Just saying What I think now

Luke James
07-08-2019, 08:44 PM
Defending champion does mean nothing, at most is just means experience.
But CNT will choose equally important on current form and results.
the last olympics was near 4 years ago.
these "aging" athletes are on the way down and prior to 2016 olympicas, the "champion" did not loose as much to foreigners
Now it is a different story....

as always, never easy to choose the CNT team for Olympics.
so many options that can win Gold, but there is always that but...

You're contradicting facts and history.

"Defending champion does mean nothing". Come on. It means experience, mentality, skills, knowledge. It means you've been able to do it, it means basically everything.

"CNT will choose equally important on current form and results". Do you have secret insight in CNt politics? If they choosed equally on current form and results ZJK wouldn't have gone to Rio. If they choosed equally on current form and results ML would've gone to London.

You just don't look at the facts. Instead you're listening to your beliefs.

Luke James
07-08-2019, 08:48 PM
I of course prefer some other players outside of china to win Just for making difference, but if I were to choose best players for olympics I would never choose DN, I know she has fighting spirit but sometimes when you play below your level spirit is not enough.
The same considered ZJK last olympics, he had better draw and luckily advance to final, of course it is speculation.
As to FZD for me he does not have fighting spirit, it is not only About foreigners but also other chinese players he started loosing. Of course there is some time, I am Just saying What I think now

Ok but it's not up to you to decide and saying ZJK was lucky to advance to the finals, excuse me but no, you can't say that. Don't forget he won JYS who had chances to beat ML.

FZD has one of the best fighting spirit of the chinese team lol he just temporarily lost it.

And once again don't worry for DN she will up her level when needed she is only 28 or 29 years old.

FortunaICR
07-08-2019, 08:57 PM
I know I will write only speculations now but I want to tell my opinion:

There is still one year left to the olympics. But imagine is it necessary to choose DN for the single spot? I do not think so. Why? IMO her physical abilities are declining due to her age and consequently she will be not able to execute the best strategies. She does not need a double grand slam. I do not think that she wrote on her list "Surpass Zhang Yining at the age of 30". Look at Li Xiaoxia. She played her last olympic and at this time she was 28 and retired a few months later. The team spot is enough for her. She contributed extremely much for the CNT and her time will approach to retire after olympics next year.

And I see that CM is highly pumped and on fire in order to get the singles spot. Her abilities are getting better and better and the year 2019 will be in my eyes an essential basis for the selection for Tokyo.


According to the FZD-XX singles spot question. If we look at the results of the big tournaments FZD would get the chance. Or there can be an exception. Maybe Liu Guoliang can give him the last chance. This case also occured when Liu Shiwen was selected for the WTTC. She mentioned in a documentary that she is glad that LGL gave her the chance.

But we will see anything can happen

Tony's Table Tennis
07-08-2019, 09:02 PM
You're contradicting facts and history.

"Defending champion does mean nothing". Come on. It means experience, mentality, skills, knowledge. It means you've been able to do it, it means basically everything.

"CNT will choose equally important on current form and results". Do you have secret insight in CNt politics? If they choosed equally on current form and results ZJK wouldn't have gone to Rio. If they choosed equally on current form and results ML would've gone to London.

You just don't look at the facts. Instead you're listening to your beliefs.


hm.. Yes, i do have insight
and yes I am listening to my belief

or maybe they should just send ZJK and ML for the next 3 olympics to come, since they all have experience to win gold

no matter who they send, there is always risk of failure
it doesn't mean what they did the previous time was correct.
This gamble is just getting more and more wider as the gaps are getting more and more narrow - partial got to do with rule change/ball change/2NOC change

being a candidate of olypmic will need to have all of the experience, mentality, skills, knowledge you list.
of course they won't send a rookie in.
FZD, XX, LSW, CM, ZYL all have never been there, are you saying that are not good enough to get the job done?

There is risk of aging player
there is risk of younger player
maybe they will send 2 old players (making it the oldest age CNT player at olympic history for them)
or maybe they will send 1 old and 1 young

Tony's Table Tennis
07-08-2019, 09:14 PM
I know I will write only speculations now but I want to tell my opinion:

There is still one year left to the olympics. But imagine is it necessary to choose DN for the single spot? I do not think so. Why? IMO her physical abilities are declining due to her age and consequently she will be not able to execute the best strategies. She does not need a double grand slam. I do not think that she wrote on her list "Surpass Zhang Yining at the age of 30". Look at Li Xiaoxia. She played her last olympic and at this time she was 28 and retired a few months later. The team spot is enough for her. She contributed extremely much for the CNT and her time will approach to retire after olympics next year.

And I see that CM is highly pumped and on fire in order to get the singles spot. Her abilities are getting better and better and the year 2019 will be in my eyes an essential basis for the selection for Tokyo.


According to the FZD-XX singles spot question. If we look at the results of the big tournaments FZD would get the chance. Or there can be an exception. Maybe Liu Guoliang can give him the last chance. This case also occured when Liu Shiwen was selected for the WTTC. She mentioned in a documentary that she is glad that LGL gave her the chance.

But we will see anything can happen

4 to 6 years ago I said there is a huge chance XX and LSW will never see Olympic singles.
IMO Ding Ning form will determine if LSW sees it.
XX I don't think will see it

The coming months will be crucial for all of these older players to justify selection.
The womens team has many young players knocking on the door (as per always - the womens then to mature at a younger age while mens other than Ma Long and FZD wasn't the case as regularly)

Luke James
07-08-2019, 09:16 PM
hm.. Yes, i do have insight
and yes I am listening to my belief

or maybe they should just send ZJK and ML for the next 3 olympics to come, since they all have experience to win gold

no matter who they send, there is always risk of failure
it doesn't mean what they did the previous time was correct.
This gamble is just getting more and more wider as the gaps are getting more and more narrow - partial got to do with rule change/ball change/2NOC change

being a candidate of olypmic will need to have all of the experience, mentality, skills, knowledge you list.
of course they won't send a rookie in.
FZD, XX, LSW, CM, ZYL all have never been there, are you saying that are not good enough to get the job done?

Don't start putting words in my mouth.

I never said current form isn't important. But everyone knows that looking at the facts and history, results are the most important.
No one cares about your beliefs, only facts matter.

If you haven't understand what I'm saying yet, please read my posts again or get a good sleep and think about it tomorrow.

Tony's Table Tennis
07-08-2019, 09:21 PM
Don't start putting words in my mouth.

I never said current form isn't important. But everyone knows that looking at the facts and history, results are the most important.
No one cares about your beliefs, only facts matter.

If you haven't understand what I'm saying yet, please read my posts again or get a good sleep and think about it tomorrow.

and who are you again??? lol

you should reread my very details explanation. and if you can't, then tough luck for you

with your logic, only 1 person can go to Tokyo from China - the one person with GOLD Medal because only Ding Ning and Ma Long has results and that is the most important.
If Ding Ning becomes number 10 in China, she must still go.

you really need to see beyond past results.
think outside the box

ping fun
07-09-2019, 05:11 AM
Hey guys I think Ding ning will be in Olympic because CNT send a player who has experienced olympic and it will be her . For sure CNT will work on her weakness and bad form to turn her to a warrior again for Tokyo , If it wont work Cheng meng can be a very safe candidate for the spot along side LSW .

ping fun
07-09-2019, 05:12 AM
But the most unexpected twist would be if they bring back ZJK from the grave. Ha Ha Ha. Wishful thinking but never gonna happen though.

One of the saddest posts I have ever read in this forum ....

drunix80
07-09-2019, 05:33 AM
One of the saddest posts I have ever read in this forum ....

Sad for me to post it too but just needed to vent out the frustration of ZJK not doing anything to revive his career.

ping fun
07-09-2019, 07:00 AM
The same considered ZJK last olympics, he had better draw and luckily advance to final, of course it is speculation.



I'm really tired of arguing about these things ....

safumin
07-09-2019, 07:52 AM
Japan:

Harimoto, Mizutani + Niwa
Hirano, Ito + Ishikawa

Loopadoop
07-09-2019, 09:31 AM
China my best guess

Singles Ma Long and FZD

Doubles XX

pongfugrasshopper
07-09-2019, 10:02 AM
She is still going ahead with her lawsuit. From my understanding, as it stands now, for each Gender the USA will send the highest world ranked player, the winner of a trials tournament and if the USA can have 3 athletes, the third will be picked by the High Performance Director. Chen wants all the spots determined by a tournament.

In the past, I could understand automatically sending a player if they were top 15 in the world. However with the current ranking system, I am not a fan of sending the highest ranked player. The rankings are a mess and to even get ranked, you need the permission of the High Performance Director to play in international events. Just look at the rankings of the Chinese who are entered in the Australian Open. Are they an accurate measure of skill level? Also with some of the interesting results of the recent US Closed, players should have a right to fight for spots on the team.
I'm not a fan of using WR to determine an Olympic spot because it's not a strong measure of a player's strength. Plus so few US players even play ITTF tournaments. Actually, I think high perf. committee selection is better but there was so much backlash against it. And I don't think you can force an NGB to create 2 or 3 tournaments for each Olympic spot. Although probable, there's no guarantee that the USA qualifies for all three.

Anyway, right now Juan Liu and Lily Zhang are the two best US players. Wu Yue is virtually guaranteed a spot based on her WR, but has looked unimpressive at Nationals. Amy Wang looks to me to be the third best player.

yogi_bear
07-09-2019, 10:07 AM
Chen Meng!!!

Loopadoop
07-09-2019, 12:06 PM
If USA has a pure competition to qualify, there is a good chance one of the favorites would not make it for each gender.

Janard
07-15-2019, 02:01 PM
Chen Meng's position in the Olympics has been severely threatened it seems. Her only bargaining chip at the moment is her steady performance on the World Tour (13 titles but no World Cup, Asian Cup, Asian Games, WTTC, Asian Championships, National Championships wins) but her #1 position (1300 pts) has been usurped by SYS (1319pts) after the recently concluded Australian Open, and not to mention her eventual loss to Ishikawa after leading 3-1. There is now the possibility that Sun Yingsha might serve as the third team member and play XD, as evident from this year's national games' XD pairings. Trailing behind only XX/LSW and FZD/DN (first and second seeds respectively), Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha are regarded as the third seeds. The other pairs (in seeding order) are Lin Gaoyuan/Wang Manyu, Liang Jingkun/Zhu Yuling, Yu Ziyang/Chen Meng, Zhou Yu/Mu Zi and Zhou Zihao/Chen Xingtong, with CM being the only core player within the women's team not to be paired with another core player from the men's team (although ML's exemption clearly makes it an uneven number). It will also make more sense to bring SYS if both DN and LSW – which is possible given that they are the reigning Olympics and World Champions respectively – are going since the 18 year-old will still be in good form to play Paris 2024 (CM will be 29 by then while SYS only 23) and possibly even the subsequent Olympics (age 27). Just my two-cents.

Loopadoop
07-15-2019, 02:29 PM
CNT representatives to me seem impossible to predict at this early stage. We don't know how much of their world rankings are controlled by the team concept.

NextLevel
07-15-2019, 02:46 PM
Chen Meng's position in the Olympics has been severely threatened it seems. Her only bargaining chip at the moment is her steady performance on the World Tour (13 titles but no World Cup, Asian Cup, Asian Games, WTTC, Asian Championships, National Championships wins) but her #1 position (1300 pts) has been usurped by SYS (1319pts) after the recently concluded Australian Open, and not to mention her eventual loss to Ishikawa after leading 3-1. There is now the possibility that Sun Yingsha might serve as the third team member and play XD, as evident from this year's national games' XD pairings. Trailing behind only XX/LSW and FZD/DN (first and second seeds respectively), Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha are regarded as the third seeds. The other pairs (in seeding order) are Lin Gaoyuan/Wang Manyu, Liang Jingkun/Zhu Yuling, Yu Ziyang/Chen Meng, Zhou Yu/Mu Zi and Zhou Zihao/Chen Xingtong, with CM being the only core player within the women's team not to be paired with another core player from the men's team (although ML's exemption clearly makes it an uneven number). It will also make more sense to bring SYS if both DN and LSW – which is possible given that they are the reigning Olympics and World Champions respectively – are going since the 18 year-old will still be in good form to play Paris 2024 (CM will be 29 by then while SYS only 23) and possibly even the subsequent Olympics (age 27). Just my two-cents.


This all makes sense but there is way too much time till the end of the year and there is a real possibility that Zhu Yuling may get pulled from the World Cup to give Chen Meng a chance given ZYL's own struggles.

It is really murky how the CNT will handle the 3rd spot.

Vlad Celler
07-15-2019, 05:34 PM
......It is really murky how the CNT will handle the 3rd spot.....

I think for Japan the choice of the third is not easier ....:(

MaLin2.0
12-29-2019, 02:50 AM
3 teams

China plenty of depth so difficult decisions eg Ma Long injury but I think right now,
Men's Singles - FZ & XX
3rd Team - Ma Long, backup WCQ
Ladie's Singles - CM & SYS
3rd Team - Ding Ning, backup LSW

Japan, team obvious first choices
Men's Singles - Harimoto & Koki
3rd Team - Mizutani, backup MY
Ladie's Singles - Mima & Kasumi
3rd Team - Hirano, backup Hayata

Chinese Taipei lack depth but obvious first choices
Men's Singles - LYJ & CCY
3rd Team CCA, backup LCT
Ladie's Singles - CIC & CZY
3rd team CHT, Backup LHY

Mixed Doubles
China - Xu Xin & Liu Shiwen
Japan - Jun Mizutani & Mima Ito
CT - Lin Yun-ju & Cheng I-Ching

Janard
12-29-2019, 03:31 AM
3 teams

China plenty of depth so difficult decisions eg Ma Long injury but I think right now,
Men's Singles - FZ & XX
3rd Team - Ma Long, backup WCQ
Ladie's Singles - CM & SYS
3rd Team - Ding Ning, backup LSW

Japan, team obvious first choices
Men's Singles - Harimoto & Koki
3rd Team - Mizutani, backup MY
Ladie's Singles - Mima & Kasumi
3rd Team - Hirano, backup Hayata

Chinese Taipei lack depth but obvious first choices
Men's Singles - LYJ & CCY
3rd Team CCA, backup LCT
Ladie's Singles - CIC & CZY
3rd team CHT, Backup LHY

Mixed Doubles
China - Xu Xin & Liu Shiwen
Japan - Jun Mizutani & Mima Ito
CT - Lin Yun-ju & Cheng I-Ching

You know that XD players must also come from the team right?

MaLin2.0
12-29-2019, 03:33 AM
OK so under what I said LSW is ineligible?

If so then DN gets removed from team and added as backup

Didn't know, new format in 2020 with adding Mixed to the event

Jacky Kwok
12-29-2019, 10:07 AM
CCY decided to leave the national team and thus will not play the Olympic.

apacible
12-29-2019, 12:01 PM
CCY decided to leave the national team and thus will not play the Olympic.

Chuang Chih-Yuan is listed to represent Taiwan in the Olympic Team Qualification tournament in January. Maybe he and the national association have reconciled? If that's the case, Chinese Taipei becomes an even stronger contender for a medal in the Olympic team event.

Furthermore, it gives Japan more incentive to select Mizutani over Maharu Yoshimura for the 3rd Olympic spot to keep their top 4 team seeding since Japan would be in danger of dropping below Chinese Taipei if Lin Yun-Ju overtakes Harimoto in WR.

In the January WR, Harimoto will only be ahead of LYJ by 30 WR points, so there's a real danger for Japan to drop to the 5th seed come the 2020 Olympics if Yoshimura is chosen.

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Brs
12-29-2019, 04:27 PM
For the US wouldn't the top WR players be Kanak and Lily? Can anybody really argue with that? Would you want one of them to miss playing singles because of some random event at a trials?

Let the second spot go to a trials winner. Sounds reasonable to me.

MaLin2.0
01-06-2020, 04:20 AM
For the US wouldn't the top WR players be Kanak and Lily? Can anybody really argue with that? Would you want one of them to miss playing singles because of some random event at a trials?

Let the second spot go to a trials winner. Sounds reasonable to me.

I'm from Australia, we have literally guaranteed entry in all competition uncluding team event regardless of rankings & quality.

Just want best available go, don't have big names, not to Kanak or Lily callibre, just a team to at least provide some pressure and take few games off some big nations would be nice, no expectations to go deep but to merit the automatic entry should require good level of showing IMO.

TTetta
01-06-2020, 08:45 AM
Japan has confirmed their Olympics lineup
Singles: Ito, Ishikawa, Harimoto, Niwa
Teams: Hirano, Mizutani
Doubles: Ito/Mizutani
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6-TgVwnWZo/?igshid=xt1gd2nqo2yc

MaLin2.0
01-06-2020, 09:15 AM
Japan has confirmed their Olympics lineup
Singles: Ito, Ishikawa, Harimoto, Niwa
Teams: Hirano, Mizutani
Doubles: Ito/Mizutani
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6-TgVwnWZo/?igshid=xt1gd2nqo2yc

Not surprised, obvious choices for all events, now question is who will CNT select lol