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imboosted
07-19-2019, 07:41 PM
I backed the Trainerbot over a year ago on Indiegogo and I was looking at the most recent comments and someone mentioned that Joola just launched their own table tennis robot on Kickstarter.

It has all the features and more (recycle net) compared to the trainer bot and is a little more expensive but not as expensive as Newgy or Butterfly. At this point, I don't think I'm ever going to get my trainerbot but am interested in backing what Joola created since they are an established company.

What are your thoughts?

yoass
07-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Interesting. Any links to share?

yogi_bear
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
Try this link:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joola/joola-infinity?ref=eni2e8

BryanY
07-20-2019, 02:21 AM
Seems like it’s just a rebranded iPong robot with a phone app.

yoass
07-20-2019, 04:52 PM
A rebranded iPong robot with an IOS app (and personal training sequences, etc.) sounds just fine with me. Looks interesting enough for a pledge, so I did just that that. Go https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joola/joola-infinity?ref=thanks-copy, now at about 10% with about 4 weeks to go... :-)

Tony's Table Tennis
07-20-2019, 10:33 PM
Seems like it’s just a rebranded iPong robot with a phone app.

Joola and Ipong is pretty much the same company. both owned by the same person

BryanY
07-21-2019, 12:04 AM
Joola and Ipong is pretty much the same company. both owned by the same person

Didn’t know that.

thomas.pong
07-21-2019, 01:18 AM
Looks like a great robot at a good price from a trusted company. I'm interested in backing it.

symbat
07-21-2019, 03:01 AM
Looks like a great robot at a good price from a trusted company. I'm interested in backing it.

Yeah, the feature list at that price point sounds like a winner. If they can keep the price even close to $1K and make it reliable it should do really well. It will have primary features that will compare to the Newgy 3050XL and the Amicus/PowerPong robots, but cost 1/2 as much.

Gary Buck
07-21-2019, 03:55 AM
They didn't say how many wheels it has. Is this an oversight, or does it mean it has just one wheel, so they prefer not to mention it? If it has only one wheel, you cannot separate the spin from the speed, and its usefulness is severely limited.

symbat
07-21-2019, 06:01 AM
They didn't say how many wheels it has. Is this an oversight, or does it mean it has just one wheel, so they prefer not to mention it? If it has only one wheel, you cannot separate the spin from the speed, and its usefulness is severely limited.

Based on the diagram and the fact that it looks like it will do underspin balls without flipping upside down, I would say it is a two wheel robot.

Another question would be the quality of the ball coming out.

yogi_bear
07-21-2019, 11:04 AM
It is about 1k usd much cheaper than the butterfly robot.

yoass
07-21-2019, 11:11 AM
They didn't say how many wheels it has. Is this an oversight, or does it mean it has just one wheel, so they prefer not to mention it? If it has only one wheel, you cannot separate the spin from the speed, and its usefulness is severely limited.

There’s a section with comment and answers, and in that section it’s explained that two wheels propel the ball, and head rotation is used to create left/right side top- or underspin.

yoass
07-21-2019, 11:14 AM
Woo hoo! The number of backers doubled in a day!

(From your own Statiskovka Dpt. of Deception by Statistics.)

thomas.pong
07-21-2019, 05:46 PM
Woo hoo! The number of backers doubled in a day!

(From your own Statiskovka Dpt. of Deception by Statistics.)

That's the yoass effect! ;)

imboosted
07-22-2019, 08:08 PM
I decided to pick the iPong Trainer Motion bundle they have. I might as well get a robot for now since no words from the Chen brothers on trainerbot.

imboosted
07-22-2019, 08:10 PM
I just saw that they also made a new update with a comparison chart. I didnt realize the upper end robots are so expesnive and has less features. Is their comparison chart true?

symbat
07-23-2019, 03:40 AM
I just saw that they also made a new update with a comparison chart. I didnt realize the upper end robots are so expesnive and has less features. Is their comparison chart true?


Yeah, after a quick glance it looks like that chart is.... kind of close to being accurate?

I will say they should have used the Newgy 3050XL for a comparison and not the 2055. The 3050XL is around $2K and is not worth it my opinion, and yes I owned one. The Amicus with the bluetooth control is the "Prime" and not the Professional.

Other than that, if this thing works well it do well in the market. Even if it has its share of issues, it will be in the same ballpark as the Newgy 3050XL for 1/2 the cost. The Amicus robots are pretty bullet proof in comparison to the Newgy. I have the PowerPong 3000, which is basically the same as an Amicus Professional. I have had it about a year and have about 300 hours on it.

KJA
07-23-2019, 09:14 AM
Do you think I control the amount of spin? Little backspin or much etc. That's my problem with most of the robots (ex Newgy 2050), it's very much topspin / backspin and no other options.

yogi_bear
07-23-2019, 11:18 AM
According to Joola, it has 2 wheels.

symbat
07-23-2019, 02:30 PM
Do you think I control the amount of spin? Little backspin or much etc. That's my problem with most of the robots (ex Newgy 2050), it's very much topspin / backspin and no other options.

The way this robot's head is setup seems to be similar to the Newgy 3050XL. Watch videos on that robot to see what this one should be capable of. From what I remember the ball quality that the Newgy 3050XL provided was fine. I can produce topspin, underspin, sidespin and everything in between. The rotation of the head turns a simple top spin into a topspin+sidespin, or just a sidespin. The direction the head rotates dictates the direction of the spin.

One of the benefits of the Amicus/PowerPong robots is the ability to adjust the head hight of the robot. This allows you to keep the path of the ball's flight lower than the Newgy 3050XL, or this new Joola robot.

imboosted
07-24-2019, 06:31 PM
How does the tennirobo compare to the rest of these robots? I saw their website from the other thread on here titled is trainerbot a scam?

Their website looks a little sketchy and outdated and the robot is very small. Has anyone bought it?

Simas
07-26-2019, 06:42 PM
A rebranded iPong robot with an IOS app (and personal training sequences, etc.) sounds just fine with me. Looks interesting enough for a pledge, so I did just that that. Go https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joola/joola-infinity?ref=thanks-copy, now at about 10% with about 4 weeks to go... :-)

that looks very interesting.
Now they got ~25% of the amount required.
The kickstarter statistics says that around 30 percent of the total amount should be gathered on the first days then there are pretty good chances to fund the project successfully. Usually the most funds are gathered on first and on the final days.
Now it's not that clear that the funding will be successful. If it wont be successfully funded, they won't get any amount pledged and that would be a shame, cause it seems that it is a very attractive proposal: trusted brand and half the price, app controlled (when I see a robot with a control panel full of knobs... I think wtf? :) ) so wondering why not that much of the interest? Did they do any advertising?

imboosted
07-30-2019, 08:17 PM
that looks very interesting.
Now they got ~25% of the amount required.
The kickstarter statistics says that around 30 percent of the total amount should be gathered on the first days then there are pretty good chances to fund the project successfully. Usually the most funds are gathered on first and on the final days.
Now it's not that clear that the funding will be successful. If it wont be successfully funded, they won't get any amount pledged and that would be a shame, cause it seems that it is a very attractive proposal: trusted brand and half the price, app controlled (when I see a robot with a control panel full of knobs... I think wtf? :) ) so wondering why not that much of the interest? Did they do any advertising?

they are at 35% now with 15 days remaining... i think they are following the trend of larger companies crowdfunding

Simas
07-31-2019, 02:52 PM
they are at 35% now with 15 days remaining... i think they are following the trend of larger companies crowdfunding

yes, well known companies started using crowdfunding lately. Just saw ninebot crowdfunding their new electric scooter. Don't know if that's good or not. Earlier it used to be for new ventures and ideas ;) ...

Somehow upset at their progress..

imboosted
07-31-2019, 09:12 PM
yes, well known companies started using crowdfunding lately. Just saw ninebot crowdfunding their new electric scooter. Don't know if that's good or not. Earlier it used to be for new ventures and ideas ;) ...

Somehow upset at their progress..

I guess people don't want to get scammed again like with trainerbot and are hesitant. But if it is from a major company, I trust it since their brand image is on the line while some people can just run away with the money.

haggisv
08-01-2019, 01:09 PM
Personally I'm perplexed why Joola would put the development of a new robot on kickstarter. I find it very unusual for a TT manufacturer to ask customers for funding a new robot, why can't they fund it themselves?
I get that these customers are getting a better price, but they'll also wear the risk that the robot won't turn out as good as they plan.
Note: I'm not having a go at Joola, I just find this concept strange...

Der_Echte
08-01-2019, 04:59 PM
I guess people don't want to get scammed again like with trainerbot and are hesitant. But if it is from a major company, I trust it since their brand image is on the line while some people can just run away with the money.https://youtu.be/-WCFUGCOLLU

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Der_Echte
08-01-2019, 05:01 PM
Personally I'm perplexed why Joola would put the development of a new robot on kickstarter. I find it very unusual for a TT manufacturer to ask customers for funding a new robot, why can't they fund it themselves?
I get that these customers are getting a better price, but they'll also wear the risk that the robot won't turn out as good as they plan.
Note: I'm not having a go at Joola, I just find this concept strange...C'mon deHaggis...

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yoass
08-01-2019, 06:20 PM
The mailing had a convincing answer. They mean to reach out to a different audience, beyond the usual crowd.

kevinjames
08-02-2019, 05:36 PM
I backed the Joola Infinity so reviews may be biased. And I also happen to own a Amicus Expert.


Here is what I think:


- The Joola Infinity is more like modernized version of 3050XL at half the price with a better APP.
- Uses DC motor so the speed isn't as fast as Amicus
- Uses two motor with full ~180 degree head rotation. On paper this is better than 3-wheeled robots but full head rotation is particularly heavy on the motors, slower and less accurate.
- Height isn't adjustable
- Joola was recently acquired Sport Squad. The kickstarter seems like an alternative way to tap in nerdy, tech and curious people which otherwise would not have been possible.
- I am quite certain with the level of experience they have, Joola may deliver the product before Dec 2020

yogi_bear
08-03-2019, 06:01 PM
It is featured in this article:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/infinity-smart-table-tennis-training-robot/?amp

Simas
08-03-2019, 08:08 PM
Personally I'm perplexed why Joola would put the development of a new robot on kickstarter. I find it very unusual for a TT manufacturer to ask customers for funding a new robot, why can't they fund it themselves?
I get that these customers are getting a better price, but they'll also wear the risk that the robot won't turn out as good as they

As it was said by previous posters, it's not about the money in their case, but more like an alternative sales channel. Keep in mind that trainerbot got 600k!!! eur from their robot campaign... so Joola also wanted to give a try. Somehow they are doing much worse then the trainerbot and that's puzzling - a well known table tennis company with an offer for half a price... I guess they did not invest money in marketing at all or smth...

maurice101
08-05-2019, 12:07 AM
How does the tennirobo compare to the rest of these robots? I saw their website from the other thread on here titled is trainerbot a scam?

Their website looks a little sketchy and outdated and the robot is very small. Has anyone bought it?

I purchased this robot after owning several robots. I sold my 5 year old butterfly 3000 robot and it pretty much covered the cost of the new robot. This robot really can do any spin level, speed or position in both serves and normal shots all controlled by app. It has a 3 wheel design with moveable head and one wheel can go backwards giving more spin variations compared to more expensive robots costing thousands. It does not have a catcher net but it holds about 200 balls. I need a rest after this number of shots and it only takes 30 seconds to pick up balls using a fishing wire ball picker-upper. Easy to transport, or move in any position behind the table. I like that you can store it on the table taking up less space in my garage. Spin level can be double pro level giving very interesting sidespin serves! My ex pro coach put the first 10 such serves off the table. He wants one now for coaching. Under $1000 too. Simple in construction and I have had no ball jams after 4 months of use. Good customer service. You need to email to order.

Only disadvantage for me is that it has no random functions in drill mode yet but that is coming soon I have been told. The robot is 200% better than my old butterfly robot but I have not tried the new butterfly robots that cost heaps more.

I would not risk my money on kickstarter when you can purchase this robot now and be practicing those tricky serve returns, spinny slow loops etc!!!

yoass
08-05-2019, 11:22 AM
That TenniRobo looks very useful as well. I do like the Joola Infinity's design, though, and see value in both.

The Joola kickstarter's funding is at 75.71% of the set goal, with 10 days to go. About 20 backers more and it's set to go; it's starting to look feasible at least. I'd like it to succeed, possibly reaching a bit of new audience as well.

Simas
08-06-2019, 07:19 PM
That TenniRobo looks very useful as well. I do like the Joola Infinity's design, though, and see value in both.

The Joola kickstarter's funding is at 75.71% of the set goal, with 10 days to go. About 20 backers more and it's set to go; it's starting to look feasible at least. I'd like it to succeed, possibly reaching a bit of new audience as well.

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Job done! Now is the question how much they will get on top, cause on the last days the backing intensifies

Simas
08-11-2019, 07:08 PM
68k and 3 days to go. They could reach 80k by the end. Not bad after all :)

Simas
08-18-2019, 08:36 PM
68k and 3 days to go. They could reach 80k by the end. Not bad after all :)

Total amount rised 79.443 USD. Damn, missed by 500USD :D

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