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Janard
08-05-2019, 02:43 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FF5n0wtb%2Fyznxd-Ldx-PWQdvdg-MS5qi55y-LWtwhlzw7tus-Bbtg3.png

The biennial affair will take place between 15 to 22 September in Yogyakarta, Indonesia. There will be 7 events in total – Men's Singles, Women's Singles, Women's Doubles, Men's Doubles, Mixed Doubles, Women's Team and Men's Team.

As of 12 September, the following line-ups have been announced.

Korean National Team

Men: Jang Woojin, Jeong Young-sik, Lee Sangsu, An Jaehyun, Kim Minhyeok, Cho Daeseong
Women: Seo Hyowon, Jeon Jihee, Yang Haeun, Yoo Eunchong, Shin Yubin, Lee Eunhye

Japanese National Team

Men: Harimoto Tomokazu, Yoshimura Maharu, Yoshimura Kazuhiro, Ueda Jin, Yukiya Uda, Togami Shunsuke
Women: Ishikawa Kasumi, Hirano Miu, Sato Hitomi, Shibata Saki, Kato Miyu

Chinese National Team

Men: Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin
Women: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha, Zhu Yuling

Hong Kong National Team

Men:Wong Chun-Ting, Ho Kwan Kit, Lam Siu Hang, Ng Pak Nam, Kwan Man Ho
Women: Doo Hoi Kem, Lee Ho Ching, Minnie Soo, Zhu Chengzhu, Chau Wing Tze

Chinese Taipei National Team

Men: Chuang Chih‐Yuan, Lin Yun-ju, Chen Chien-An, Peng Wang-wei, Wang Tai-Wei
Women: Cheng I-Ching, Chen Szu-yu, Cheng Hsien‐Tzu, Liu Hsing‐Yin, Su Pei‐Ling

Complete list of players (including associations not listed above) can be found here: http://attu.org/storage/event_section/gRPjt1sv9vgqOR0nbR1KTPeiqoKPuJCKd0v6WkhF.pdf

Vlad Celler
08-05-2019, 02:50 PM
It is a pity ... Hina Hayata would have been important points received .....
I have the impression that the Japanese are stubbornly dragging Ishikawa in the ITTF ranking to a higher place than Ito’s ....

apacible
08-05-2019, 03:06 PM
How ironic, Janard, that we posted at nearly the same time. I only noticed this post when I finished typing up and posting mine. Haha. Thank you for making a separate thread for this topic. I'll just paste here what I posted in the Japan Women's Race to Tokyo Olympics Singles Thread:

Head's up! JTTA has just released the player lineup for this year's Asian Table Tennis Championships on the JTTA website. It remains to be seen if additional players will be added, but as of now, this is the lineup:

Men's Team: T. Harimoto, M. Yoshimura, K. Yoshimura, Yukiya Uda, Jin Ueda, and Shunsuke Togami (Notable Absences: Niwa and Mizutani)
Women's Team: Kasumi Ishikawa, Miu Hirano, Hitomi Sato, Saki Shibata and Miyu Kato (Notable Absences: Mima Ito and Hina Hayata)

How will Ito's absence affect the Race to Tokyo? Given that Ishikawa and Hirano are the only serious threats to her singles spot, Ito's absence won't affect the race too much. The continental championships only give the same amount of ranking points as a World Tour Regular event. Also, remember that among the Top 8 results, a player may only use a Maximum of 1 continental event result. Ishikawa and Hirano already have a continental event result this year (Asian Cup), so if ever either Ishikawa or Hirano does better in the Asian Championships, it would be their Asian Cup result that would have to be replaced instead of their lowest result of their Top 8.

Ishikawa needs to at least make the singles final in the ATTC to gain any points in the race while Hirano needs at least a semi-final finish. Given that matches are best 3 of 5 games, it's certainly possible. However, I still believe that it is more difficult to go farther in the Asian Championships as opposed to the Asian Cup since China can field 5 singles players this time instead of a maximum of 2 like in the Asian Cup.

As of now, it is still unclear why Ito is not participating in the ATTC. My guess would be that she is conserving energy for the second T2 event which will occur the week after the ATTC. Given that the ATTC has all 7 events (all singles, doubles and team events), it would definitely be exhausting to participate in both tournaments back-to-back. The T2 event will have more impact on World Ranking than the ATTC, so it makes sense for Ito to prioritize T2.

I don't think JTTA has released information on the doubles pairings for this event yet. Just keep a look out on who gets paired with whom in the doubles events for possible clues on who the JTTA is eyeing for next year's Olympics.

Janard
08-14-2019, 10:31 AM
China's line-up has been announced

Men's Team: Ma Long, Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, (Wang Chuqin)
Men's Singles: Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin, (Sun Wen)
Men's Doubles: Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan/Liang Jingkun 
Women's Team: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha, (Zhu Yuling)
Women's Singles: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha, (Zhu Yuling)
Women's Doubles: Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling, Wang Manyu/Chen Meng
Mixed Doubles: Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen, Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha

Since each event is limited to five players, the sixth names in the list are usually the reserve players. Sucks to be ZYL then, even though Ito is not participating.

NextLevel
08-14-2019, 12:59 PM
China's line-up has been announced

Men's Team: Ma Long, Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, (Wang Chuqin)
Men's Singles: Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin, (Sun Wen)
Men's Doubles: Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan/Liang Jingkun 
Women's Team: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha, (Zhu Yuling)
Women's Singles: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha, (Zhu Yuling)
Women's Doubles: Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling, Wang Manyu/Chen Meng
Mixed Doubles: Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen, Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha

Since each event is limited to five players, the sixth names in the list are usually the reserve players. Sucks to be ZYL then, even though Ito is not participating.

Zhu Yuling already has the Asian Cup as her continental result.

JesperStef
08-15-2019, 10:44 PM
Seedings

Men's Team

Women's Team

Men's Singles

Women's Singles

Men's Doubles

Women's Doubles

Mixed Doubles

JesperStef
08-15-2019, 10:45 PM
Results from Team Events (Sun 15 - Wed 18 Sep 2019):

Men's Team

Final (Wed 18 Sep 2019):

[1] China 3:0 South Korea [2]
1) Xu Xin 3:0 Jang Woojin (11:3, 11:7, 11:9)
2) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Jeoung Youngsik (11:8, 11:9, 11:7)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Lee Sangsu (11:8, 11:7, 11:4)


Semi-finals (Wed 18 Sep 2019):

[1] China 3:0 Japan [4]
1) Xu Xin 3:1 Tomokazu Harimoto (5:11, 11:7, 11:8, 12:10)
2) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Maharu Yoshimura (13:11, 11:8, 11:6)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Kazuhiro Yoshimura (11:6, 14:12, 11:1)


[2] South Korea 3:0 Chinese Taipei [4]
1) Jeoung Youngsik 3:2 Liao Cheng-Ting (7:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:7, 12:10)
2) Jang Woojin 3:0 Chen Chien-An (11:9, 11:9, 11:9)
3) Lee Sangsu 3:0 Wang Tai-Wei (11:6, 12:10, 11:9)


Quarter-finals:

[1] China 3:0 Singapore [6]
1) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Koen Pang Yew En (11:5, 11:4, 11:4)
2) Wang Chuqin 3:0 Ethan Poh Shao Feng (11:4, 11:8, 11:5)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Joah Chua Shao Han (11:4, 11:3, 11:0)


[4] Japan 3:1 India [8]
1) Tomokazu Harimoto 0:3 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran (4:11, 7:11, 10:12)
2) Maharu Yoshimura 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:8, 10:12, 11:5, 14:12)
3) Takuya Jin 3:1 Harmeet Desai (11:7, 6:11, 11:6, 11:2)
4) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:7, w.o.)


[3] Chinese Taipei 3:1 Iran [9]
1) Peng Wang-Wei 0:3 Noshad Alamiyan (11:13, 6:11, 11:13)
2) Chen Chien-An 3:1 Nima Alamian (6:11, 11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
3) Liao Cheng-Ting 3:0 Amir Hossein Hodaei (12:10, 11:9, 11:6)
4) Chen Chien-An 3:1 Noshad Alamiyan (11:8, 11:9, 9:11, 15:13)


[2] South Korea 3:2 Hong Kong [5]
1) Jang Woojin 3:0 Wong Chun Ting (11:7, 11:6, 13:11)
2) Lee Sangsu 1:3 Ho Kwan Kit (8:11, 9:11, 11:9, 9:11)
3) Jeoung Youngsik 3:0 Lam Siu Hang (11:6, 11:5, 11:8)
4) Lee Sangsu 0:3 Wong Chun Ting (9:11, 9:11, 6:11)
5) Jang Woojin 3:1 Ho Kwan Kit (13:11, 11:8, 7:11, 11:5)


Women's Team

Final (Tue 17 Sep 2019):

[1] China 3:0 Japan [2]
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Miu Hirano (13:11, 11:4, 11:3)
2) Chen Meng 3:0 Kasumi Ishikawa (11:9, 12:10, 11:1)
3) Sun Yingsha 3:1 Hitomi Sato (11:6, 11:8, 8:11, 11:3)


Semi-finals (Tue 17 Sep 2019):

[1] China 3:0 Singapore [8]
1) Chen Meng 3:1 Lin Ye (9:11, 11:8, 11:6, 11:7)
2) Ding Ning 3:0 Feng Tianwei (13:11, 11:6, w.o.)
3) Wang Manyu 3:0 Goi Rui Xuan (11:4, 11:7, 11:5)


[2] Japan 3:0 Chinese Taipei [6]
1) Miu Hirano 3:1 Chen Szu-Yu (7:11, 11:9, 13:11, 11:5)
2) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Cheng Hsien-Tzu (11:8, 14:12, 11:6)
3) Hitomi Sato 3:0 Liu Hsing-Yin (11:6, 11:6, 11:6)


Quarter-finals:

[1] China 3:0 North Korea [5]
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Kim Nam Hae (11:5, 11:4, 11:2)
2) Sun Yingsha 3:1 Cha Hyo Sim (11:9, 11:5, 10:12, 11:5)
3) Wang Manyu 3:0 Kim Song I (11:4, 11:3, 11:7)


[8] Singapore 3:1 South Korea [4]
1) Lin Ye 3:0 Jeon Jihee (11:9, 11:4, 11:6)
2) Feng Tianwei 2:3 Suh Hyowon (11:7, 11:8, 5:11, 8:11, 9:11)
3) Yu Mengyu 3:1 Yang Haeun (9:11, 11:6, 11:7, 11:4)
4) Feng Tianwei 3:1 Jeon Jihee (12:10, 11:6, 10:12, 12:10)


[6] Chinese Taipei 3:2 Hong Kong [3]
1) Chen Szu-Yu 3:0 Doo Hoi Kem (11:9, 11:1, 11:8)
2) Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (11:8, 8:11, 11:8, 13:11)
3) Cheng Hsien-Tzu 2:3 Minnie Soo Wai Yam (8:11, 11:3, 7:11, 11:6, 10:12)
4) Cheng I-Ching 0:3 Doo Hoi Kem (6:11, 5:11, 12:14)
5) Chen Szu-Yu 3:0 Lee Ho Ching (11:7, 11:6, 11:4)


[2] Japan 3:0 Thailand [7]
1) Miu Hirano 3:0 Orawan Paranang (11:5, 11:5, 11:7)
2) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut (11:9, 11:8, 11:7)
3) Hitomi Sato 3:1 Nanthana Komwong (11:4, 9:11, 12:10, 11:6)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
08-15-2019, 10:47 PM
Results from Individual Events (Tue 17 - Sun 22 Sep 2019)

Men's Singles

Women's Singles

Men's Doubles

Women's Doubles

Mixed Doubles

Janard
08-24-2019, 05:34 AM
China's confirmed line-up as follows:


Men's Team: Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin
Men's Singles: Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Liang Jingkun, Wang Chuqin
Men's Doubles: Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan/Liang Jingkun 
Women's Team: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha
Women's Singles: Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha
Women's Doubles: Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling, Wang Manyu/Chen Meng
Mixed Doubles: Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen, Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha

Ma Long is not playing at all and Zhu Yuling only WD.

Vlad Celler
08-24-2019, 05:51 AM
Is there a link to the list of participants?

Janard
09-12-2019, 01:40 PM
Team Seedings (top six) as follows:

Women (http://attu.org/storage/event_section/c7v42MnLkvdaSkTvxzNulBxKGK5GUU6lXyiAwOaa.pdf): China, Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, North Korea, Chinese Taipei

Men: (http://attu.org/storage/event_section/VwpNsO2T8VMfBrkj5ywjUNyHiloWPLhzArfyIP8v.pdf) China, South Korea, Chinese Taipei, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore (?!)

Singles Seedings (listing only top 16 due to space constraints) as follows:

Women
(http://attu.org/storage/event_section/kwZQ8m6mKttO04ukeWFkR5rdbzvkibzDhuNGEqvZ.pdf)
1 CHN CHEN MENG
2 CHN DING NING
3 CHN WANG MANYU
4 CHN LIU SHIWEN
5 CHN SUN YINGSHA
6 JPN ISHIKAWA Kasumi
7 JPN HIRANO Miu
8 TPE Cheng I‐Ching
9 HKG DOO HOI KEM
10 SGP FENG TIANWEI
11 KOR SUH HYOWON
12 PRK KIM SONG I
13 JPN SATO Hitomi
14 KOR JEON JIHEE
15 TPE Chen Szu‐Yu
16 JPN KATO Miyu

Men (http://attu.org/storage/event_section/IA9RocsLQJyybcEPSqvLYniiytqS1BpLwhiuTZUs.pdf)

1 CHN XU XIN
2 CHN FAN ZHENDONG
3 CHN LIN GAOYUAN
4 JPN HARIMOTO Tomokazu
5 CHN LIANG JINGKUN
6 TPE Lin Yun‐Ju
7 KOR JANG WOOJIN
8 HKG WONG CHUN TING
9 KOR LEE SANGSU
10 CHN WANG CHUQIN
11 KOR JEOUNG YOUNGSIK
12 IND Gnanasekaran Sathiyan
13 JPN YOSHIMURA Kazuhiro
14 TPE Chuang Chih‐Yuan
15 IND Achanta Sharath Kamal
16 TPE Chen Chien‐An

Mixed Doubles Seedings (http://attu.org/storage/event_section/qdqV0pRYqwR9d8U5tsi8MN7ULZylhUv9RlaEZp5k.pdf)(top 8 only) as follows:

1) Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen
2) Lin Yun-ju/Cheng I-Ching
3) Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha
4) Wong Chun-Ting/Doo Hoi Kem
5) Lee Sangsu/Jeon Jihee
6) Chen Chien-An/Chen Szu-yu
7) Yukiya Uda/Miyu Kato
8) Shunsuke Togami/Saki Shibata

zeio
09-12-2019, 02:16 PM
Everything wrong with this ATTC?

CCY out, LYJ out and so LYJ/CIC out.

Ito out, Mizutani out, Niwa out.

What's the point of having Continental events now?

https://i.imgur.com/dojkImC.png

Janard
09-12-2019, 02:39 PM
Everything wrong with this ATTC?

CCY out, LYJ out and so LYJ/CIC out.

Ito out, Mizutani out, Niwa out.

What's the point of having Continental events now?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdojkImC.png

Oh, it is confirmed that LJY is pulling out? I've read reports about potential injury but wasn't aware that he isn't going for sure. Well, perhaps the Hong Kong team will feel extra motivated this time?

zeio
09-12-2019, 02:50 PM
His dad confirmed it on the 10th. Though there's some speculation he pulled out in support of CCY.

https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/2912989

《三立新聞》報導,林昀儒已將診斷書交遞桌協,協會理事長林茂榮表示:「基於保護林昀儒,協會同意林昀儒請假。」

林昀儒父親林學宜昨日出席活動時就表示,林昀儒這半年來為了爭搶世界排名積分,賽程的確安排較密集,他也苦笑說:「積分是拿到了,排名也上去了,不過卻受傷了。」

林學宜昨天提到接下來會聽從專業建議,「如果醫師建議要休息,今年亞錦賽我們就會先缺席,畢竟最重要的比賽還是明年東京奧運,如果醫生認為沒問題,亞錦賽我們就會按照原訂計畫出賽。」

林昀儒會後到輔大醫院診療,經檢查後發現,幸好只是因為長期疲勞導致的發炎狀況,不過不建議這兩三周內從事高強度比賽。

As for Hong Kong, the folks are focused on getting a medal in XD.

https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99%82%E9%AB%94%E8%82%B2/373000/%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93%E7%90%83-%E6%B8%AF%E5%B0%87%E5%87%BA%E6%88%B0%E4%B9%92%E7%B8%BD%E7%9B%83%E5%AF%93%E8%B3%BD%E6%96%BC%E6%93%8D-%E6%9D%9C%E5%87%B1%E7%90%B9-%E6%9C%9B%E5%A5%AA%E4%BA%9E%E9%8C%A6%E8%B3%BD%E7%8D%8E%E7%89%8C
https://cdn.hk01.com/di/media/images/3259245/org/3185071402e95ebd8a9d50882322732f.jpg/-pLVuh6HenvikU3HC4trbboUaR7cSDRK_ofun_6H7p8?v=w1920r16_9

bachikho
09-14-2019, 02:45 AM
any livestream link plz?

thot
09-14-2019, 10:02 AM
any livestream link plz?
Try this http://www.attu.org/en
There is the recording for junior and cadet with some nice angle replays.

Janard
09-14-2019, 10:36 AM
https://i.ibb.co/Gp5bsFx/69941615-3012784722084844-4834283938472001536-o.jpg

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-14-2019, 10:58 AM
Japan will not get into the men’s final...

zeio
09-14-2019, 12:42 PM
They almost lost to India last time in 2017. Not holding my breath here.

Janard
09-15-2019, 08:58 AM
Only Table 1 has live stream? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTnreWTUykI&feature=youtu.be

Janard
09-15-2019, 01:59 PM
https://i.ibb.co/9WdmT77/f90215094488466d992fda130c83cf9f.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NVjRRtZ/ff69d917dacf43e7b303eb01711f6c29.jpg

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-15-2019, 02:10 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F9WdmT77%2Ff90215094488466d992fda130c83cf9f.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FNVjRRtZ%2Fff69d917dacf43e7b303eb01711f6c29.jpg

are these seedings or is it already the knockout draw (== no qualifiers) ?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-15-2019, 02:10 PM
does anyone know the result of the QF between HK and TPE (Women)

zeio
09-15-2019, 02:16 PM
Hirano after seeing the singles draw.

https://i.imgur.com/RixJRrT.jpg

zeio
09-15-2019, 02:18 PM
does anyone know the result of the QF between HK and TPE (Women)

Up next on streaming table.

Janard
09-15-2019, 02:21 PM
are these seedings or is it already the knockout draw (== no qualifiers) ?

Seedings.


does anyone know the result of the QF between HK and TPE (Women)

Live now.

Janard
09-15-2019, 02:25 PM
Hirano after seeing the singles draw.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRixJRrT.jpg

Really? I actually thought this is a decent draw for her. Of all the Chinese women, she got DN and it's 50-50 against Doo, assuming she doesn't fall to a qualifier.

zeio
09-15-2019, 02:43 PM
During the TO, Li Ching tells DHK to spin it up, that she doesn't have to power loop it, and that there's still a chance to make a comeback.

Again during the TO, Li Ching tells LHC to get CIC into FH rallies more and it worked.

Vlad Celler
09-15-2019, 03:12 PM
are these seedings or is it already the knockout draw (== no qualifiers) ?

Unclear...
In total, more than 100 players ...

For example, who will Shibata play with?

zeio
09-15-2019, 03:13 PM
Really? I actually thought this is a decent draw for her. Of all the Chinese women, she got DN and it's 50-50 against Doo, assuming she doesn't fall to a qualifier.

Because those 3 are like magnets. They always get drawn close to each other.

apacible
09-15-2019, 03:24 PM
Really? I actually thought this is a decent draw for her. Of all the Chinese women, she got DN and it's 50-50 against Doo, assuming she doesn't fall to a qualifier.

I don't think Zeio meant it in the sense that Hirano's doomed with this draw. Hirano is more than capable than beating any of the players seeded from 9-16. However, among those seeded 9-16, Doo Hoi Kem is the only player Hirano has a notoriously bad record against. Hirano has lost to her 6 of the last 7 times. The matches always were always close though, which should give Hirano some encouragement. Maybe Hirano would have preferred any of the other players seeded 9-16, who she has a better record against, but I personally want to see Hirano play Doo as it will give her a chance to possibly overcome whatever difficulties she has against Doo, which is essential for her growth as a player.

Besides, when it comes to the draw, I'm sure Hirano's more concerned with Cheng I-Ching's opponent because her World Cup seeding depends on it.

Janard
09-15-2019, 03:28 PM
I don't think Zeio meant it in the sense that Hirano's doomed with this draw. Hirano is more than capable than beating any of the players seeded from 9-16. However, among those seeded 9-16, Doo Hoi Kem is the only player Hirano has a notoriously bad record against. Hirano has lost to her 6 of the last 7 times. The matches always were always close though, which should give Hirano some encouragement. Maybe Hirano would have preferred any of the other players seeded 9-16, who she has a better record against, but I personally want to see Hirano play Doo as it will give her a chance to possibly overcome whatever difficulties she has against Doo, which is essential for her growth as a player.

Besides, when it comes to the draw, I'm sure Hirano's more concerned with Cheng I-Ching's opponent because her World Cup seeding depends on it.

Meanwhile, our team SG men... :eek:

zeio
09-15-2019, 04:02 PM
Meanwhile, our team SG men... :eek:

Tomorrow is another day.

https://bbs.hupu.com/29351516-10.html#467424
https://i.imgur.com/I3kWdIg.png

zeio
09-15-2019, 04:12 PM
After G4, Li Ching tells Soo to keep the game simple and to serve side topspin.

Soo Wai Yam saving the day yet again.

DHK: I don't give a *bleep* about CSY. I'm here to shut out CIC only.

https://i.imgur.com/BvlGVXy.jpg

JesperStef
09-15-2019, 06:43 PM
Main Draw Results from Day 1 (Sun 15 Sep 2019):

Men's Team

Quarter-finals:

[1] China 3:0 Singapore [6]
1) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Koen Pang Yew En (11:5, 11:4, 11:4)
2) Wang Chuqin 3:0 Ethan Poh Shao Feng (11:4, 11:8, 11:5)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Joah Chua Shao Han (11:4, 11:3, 11:0)


[2] South Korea 3:2 Hong Kong [5]
1) Jang Woojin 3:0 Wong Chun Ting (11:7, 11:6, 13:11)
2) Lee Sangsu 1:3 Ho Kwan Kit (8:11, 9:11, 11:9, 9:11)
3) Jeoung Youngsik 3:0 Lam Siu Hang (11:6, 11:5, 11:8)
4) Lee Sangsu 0:3 Wong Chun Ting (9:11, 9:11, 6:11)
5) Jang Woojin 3:1 Ho Kwan Kit (13:11, 11:8, 7:11, 11:5)


Women's Team

Quarter-finals:

[1] China 3:0 North Korea [5]
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Kim Nam Hae (11:5, 11:4, 11:2)
2) Sun Yingsha 3:1 Cha Hyo Sim (11:9, 11:5, 10:12, 11:5)
3) Wang Manyu 3:0 Kim Song I (11:4, 11:3, 11:7)


[6] Chinese Taipei 3:2 Hong Kong [3]
1) Chen Szu-Yu 3:0 Doo Hoi Kem (11:9, 11:1, 11:8)
2) Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (11:8, 8:11, 11:8, 13:11)
3) Cheng Hsien-Tzu 2:3 Minnie Soo Wai Yam (8:11, 11:3, 7:11, 11:6, 10:12)
4) Cheng I-Ching 0:3 Doo Hoi Kem (6:11, 5:11, 12:14)
5) Chen Szu-Yu 3:0 Lee Ho Ching (11:7, 11:6, 11:4)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

Janard
09-16-2019, 01:38 AM
After G4, Li Ching tells Soo to keep the game simple and to serve side topspin.

Soo Wai Yam saving the day yet again.

DHK: I don't give a *bleep* about CSY. I'm here to shut out CIC only.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBvlGVXy.jpg

Not sure if CSY was on form or just LHC lacking form, probably both but Doo losing the first match was just too damaging.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 03:07 AM
absolutely no crowd at all...

lugi2000
09-16-2019, 06:50 AM
absolutely no crowd at all...

How come...? the players are amazing should draw them in?

Sali
09-16-2019, 08:12 AM
again quite interesting korean team. They always send LSS and JYS while they have so many great young players. The thing is LSS and JYS usualy do not perform good in team matches.

Janard
09-16-2019, 09:55 AM
again quite interesting korean team. They always send LSS and JYS while they have so many great young players. The thing is LSS and JYS usualy do not perform good in team matches.

Jeoung still has that explosive power (i.e. wildcard). Lee has been on the decline since forever. Jang is currently the most stable IMO.

Sali
09-16-2019, 10:22 AM
Jeoung still has that explosive power (i.e. wildcard). Lee has been on the decline since forever. Jang is currently the most stable IMO.
I would take Lim Jonghoon, Jang Woojin and the 3rd Yungsik

NextLevel
09-16-2019, 10:54 AM
again quite interesting korean team. They always send LSS and JYS while they have so many great young players. The thing is LSS and JYS usualy do not perform good in team matches.

Those guys are still the highest ranked and they win the internal trials.

Sali
09-16-2019, 01:39 PM
what an intense match between SHW and FTW. I thought Feng is done in the last game, then she came back and look sharper but in the end Korean player took victory.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 01:43 PM
I looked at their H to H stats, despite their rankings, SUH has a winning record against FENG, but she lost their most important confrontation at London Olympics

Janard
09-16-2019, 01:58 PM
Yang seems to be playing better than expected. Well, I guess her status as the only World Champion (right?) among the current South Korean women is not just for show?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 02:04 PM
YANG's form is down since XU Xin got married

Janard
09-16-2019, 02:15 PM
Getting ahead here but wondering if Feng has enough stamina to duke it out with Jeon.

driversbeat
09-16-2019, 02:21 PM
2 points from Singapore not coming from Feng, that's a rare sight

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 03:38 PM
Harimoto lost 3-0 to Gnanasekaran

mrk
09-16-2019, 03:41 PM
Harimoto lost 3-0 to Gnanasekaran


He is on a decline.

vishu.aps
09-16-2019, 03:46 PM
Where can I watch it live online?

vishu.aps
09-16-2019, 03:49 PM
Where can I watch the ongoing Japan vs India Team Match Live?

Danny21312
09-16-2019, 03:58 PM
After his Bulgarian open win i thought Harimoto was coming back from his slump, But it doesn't seem to be the case...

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 04:17 PM
Yoshimura beats Achanta 3-1
Jin leads 2-1 against Desai

I can't watch it live. I have the info from Twitter
https://twitter.com/donata_japan/status/1173614992056176641?s=20

drunix80
09-16-2019, 04:22 PM
Harimoto is out of touch but Sathiyan is no pushover. He has a very unorthodox but steady game. Sometime back he defeated WCQ as well.

drunix80
09-16-2019, 04:25 PM
There is no live stream now. Ittf shitty as usual

zeio
09-16-2019, 04:43 PM
They almost lost to India last time in 2017. Not holding my breath here.


Harimoto lost 3-0 to Gnanasekaran

https://ittf.cdnomega.com/eu/2019/04/ATTU-Asia-Cup.png

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?17250-Qatar-Open-2018&p=223850&viewfull=1#post223850
https://i.imgur.com/LuUTFKf.png

zeio
09-16-2019, 04:46 PM
From Miyazaki's twitter, Achanta retired in the middle of the match?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-16-2019, 05:01 PM
yes. Japan advances to semis against China; it was India's 3rd match today !
the organization is sh*t....teams like China didn't play today at all..

NextLevel
09-16-2019, 05:18 PM
yes. Japan advances to semis against China; it was India's 3rd match today !
the organization is sh*t....teams like China didn't play today at all..

The Indian team is still eating Dinner as we speak.

JesperStef
09-16-2019, 05:51 PM
Main Draw Results from Day 2 (Mon 16 Sep 2019):

Men's Team

Quarter-finals:

[4] Japan 3:1 India [8]
1) Tomokazu Harimoto 0:3 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran (4:11, 7:11, 10:12)
2) Maharu Yoshimura 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:8, 10:12, 11:5, 14:12)
3) Takuya Jin 3:1 Harmeet Desai (11:7, 6:11, 11:6, 11:2)
4) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:7, w.o.)


[3] Chinese Taipei 3:1 Iran [9]
1) Peng Wang-Wei 0:3 Noshad Alamiyan (11:13, 6:11, 11:13)
2) Chen Chien-An 3:1 Nima Alamian (6:11, 11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
3) Liao Cheng-Ting 3:0 Amir Hossein Hodaei (12:10, 11:9, 11:6)
4) Chen Chien-An 3:1 Noshad Alamiyan (11:8, 11:9, 9:11, 15:13)


Women's Team

Quarter-finals:

[8] Singapore 3:1 South Korea [4]
1) Lin Ye 3:0 Jeon Jihee (11:9, 11:4, 11:6)
2) Feng Tianwei 2:3 Suh Hyowon (11:7, 11:8, 5:11, 8:11, 9:11)
3) Yu Mengyu 3:1 Yang Haeun (9:11, 11:6, 11:7, 11:4)
4) Feng Tianwei 3:1 Jeon Jihee (12:10, 11:6, 10:12, 12:10)


[2] Japan 3:0 Thailand [7]
1) Miu Hirano 3:0 Orawan Paranang (11:5, 11:5, 11:7)
2) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut (11:9, 11:8, 11:7)
3) Hitomi Sato 3:1 Nanthana Komwong (11:4, 9:11, 12:10, 11:6)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

kuko61
09-16-2019, 06:49 PM
Alamiyan Noshad hand switch


https://youtu.be/wROUI7KfZ9w?t=2106

ping fun
09-17-2019, 06:03 AM
Alamiyan Noshad hand switch


https://youtu.be/wROUI7KfZ9w?t=2106

Thanks for posting this video , Noshad has done it before . It seems the lefties are more successful in swap hand shots . Also I'm really satisfied with the performance of iran's men . Good rallies by Nima and Noshad vs North korean players .

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-17-2019, 06:22 AM
at what time on the video the hand switch ?

ping fun
09-17-2019, 07:02 AM
at what time on the video the hand switch ?

02:47:00

kuko61
09-17-2019, 09:43 AM
and 35:00 :)

drunix80
09-17-2019, 11:48 AM
Noshad does not need a rubber in his FH apart from those switch shots.

Sali
09-17-2019, 12:57 PM
Bad luck for Ishikawa, CM is shaking and very nervous but at the end she is able to prevail

Janard
09-17-2019, 01:05 PM
Kasumi self-destructed in the last set. *cues zeio*

zeio
09-17-2019, 01:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ijQFXbP.jpg

Danny21312
09-17-2019, 01:12 PM
Is this result ever gonna change? I'm not sure any of us will live to see that happen..

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-17-2019, 02:42 PM
Poor Kasumi but the result for Hirano is even more disastrous

zeio
09-17-2019, 03:04 PM
The mere fact that Baba fielded Hirano as the 1st singles instead of Ishikawa should tell you something.

Janard
09-17-2019, 04:02 PM
The mere fact that Baba fielded Hirano as the 1st singles instead of Ishikawa should tell you something.

JNT probably thought CNT will field DN and that the improved Hirano would be able to put up a fight.

zeio
09-17-2019, 04:32 PM
3 weeks ago Ito said in an article that if she were the CNT coach she would pick LSW, SYS and DN for Tokyo 2020 where DN will play in team only. Perhaps CNT decided to save DN for Ito at Tokyo 2020?

JesperStef
09-17-2019, 09:07 PM
Main Draw Results from Day 3 (Tue 17 Sep 2019):

Women's Team

Semi-finals:

[1] China 3:0 Singapore [8]
1) Chen Meng 3:1 Lin Ye (9:11, 11:8, 11:6, 11:7)
2) Ding Ning 3:0 Feng Tianwei (13:11, 11:6, w.o.)
3) Wang Manyu 3:0 Goi Rui Xuan (11:4, 11:7, 11:5)


[2] Japan 3:0 Chinese Taipei [6]
1) Miu Hirano 3:1 Chen Szu-Yu (7:11, 11:9, 13:11, 11:5)
2) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Cheng Hsien-Tzu (11:8, 14:12, 11:6)
3) Hitomi Sato 3:0 Liu Hsing-Yin (11:6, 11:6, 11:6)


Final:

[1] China 3:0 Japan [2]
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Miu Hirano (13:11, 11:4, 11:3)
2) Chen Meng 3:0 Kasumi Ishikawa (11:9, 12:10, 11:1)
3) Sun Yingsha 3:1 Hitomi Sato (11:6, 11:8, 8:11, 11:3)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

jamesmith
09-18-2019, 01:20 AM
Can anybody tell me the detail result between Thialand and HK please? I know HK lost 3-2 but I would like to know who is playing for HK too

Janard
09-18-2019, 02:19 AM
Can anybody tell me the detail result between Thialand and HK please? I know HK lost 3-2 but I would like to know who is playing for HK too

https://i.ibb.co/QJ04m9p/Screen-Shot-2019-09-18-at-10-18-59-am.png

silvershamaa
09-18-2019, 04:05 AM
Yoshimura was up 9-2 vs Fan Zhendong in the 1st set, endedup losing it 11-13...:confused:

zeio
09-18-2019, 05:36 AM
JYS VS LCT

Both umps: We're gonna fault both of your every serve. We don't care. We have control.

Hysteresis
09-18-2019, 06:14 AM
Yoshimura was up 9-2 vs Fan Zhendong in the 1st set, endedup losing it 11-13...:confused:

Kinda dissapointed FZD doesn't seem to have returned to form after that little bit of break. Both his wins have looked very messy this tournament.

At this rate his 2020 Olympics single spot might genuinely be under threat.

quanghuysk
09-18-2019, 06:31 AM
anyone knows who are commentators? I quite like how they're commentating

zeio
09-18-2019, 08:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgx6rGDMYIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWvdkvT9MM

Junting
09-18-2019, 11:47 AM
Men’s team final lineup is out.

XX vs JWJ
FZD vs JYS
LJK vs LSS
FZD vs JWJ
XX vs JYS

Although CNT is still the favorite, I think Korean team has some chance to make upsets...

NextLevel
09-18-2019, 11:53 AM
Men’s team final lineup is out.

XX vs JWJ
FZD vs JYS
LJK vs LSS
FZD vs JWJ
XX vs JYS

Although CNT is still the favorite, I think Korean team has some chance to make upsets...

It always sounds and looks that way and then the match ends 3-0, and we wonder why we ever expected anything to change in our lifetime.

Jang is playing well, but that is nothing new...

Janard
09-18-2019, 11:54 AM
Lol so Lin did not play a single match.

quanghuysk
09-18-2019, 12:41 PM
Lin is injured I guess

pongfugrasshopper
09-18-2019, 01:11 PM
Nice job Thailand! Orawan Paranang takes out Doo Hoi Kem and the deciding match against Minnie Soo Wai Yam to make the Main Draw.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FQJ04m9p%2FScreen-Shot-2019-09-18-at-10-18-59-am.png

karupinkun
09-18-2019, 01:11 PM
Lin is injured I guess

you have some information about that? He wouldnt play in the singles tournament if he was injured. LJK might be in better form and its all there is.

NextLevel
09-18-2019, 01:35 PM
It always sounds and looks that way and then the match ends 3-0, and we wonder why we ever expected anything to change in our lifetime.

Jang is playing well, but that is nothing new...

About as dominating a win as it gets and Ma Long didn't even play.

Danny21312
09-18-2019, 01:47 PM
Everytime it looks like the rest of the world is catching up to China, they come back and destroy everyone. I hate it when they do that..

K.P
09-18-2019, 02:52 PM
you have some information about that? He wouldnt play in the singles tournament if he was injured. LJK might be in better form and its all there is.
Not sure if you mean Lin Gaoyuan or Lin Jun Yu, for LJY he pulled out due to an inflamed shoulder with the doctor recommending that he not play for 2-3 weeks. Further stating that they didn't want to take any risks, especially with tokyo 2020 being less then a year away

jawien
09-18-2019, 07:36 PM
Watching the finals and semis, the CNT seems like an easy bet to win the Olympics. There would have to be a catastrophy for some one else to win Tokyo imho. The positive thing is that Harimoto although vulnerable to players outside of the CNT still keeps his fighting spirit. He was playing Xu Xin to win the match actually and was posing threats in every set.
I'm not so sure if the same can be said about other JNT stars ... So looking from Yogyakarta to Tokyo, maybe in the men's singles could be an upset, but still rather vague ...

NextLevel
09-18-2019, 08:52 PM
Watching the finals and semis, the CNT seems like an easy bet to win the Olympics. There would have to be a catastrophy for some one else to win Tokyo imho. The positive thing is that Harimoto although vulnerable to players outside of the CNT still keeps his fighting spirit. He was playing Xu Xin to win the match actually and was posing threats in every set.
I'm not so sure if the same can be said about other JNT stars ... So looking from Yogyakarta to Tokyo, maybe in the men's singles could be an upset, but still rather vague ...


The best threat to the CNT didn't play the event though with CCY sitting it out and LYJ injured. We will get a better idea after the World Team Cup.

JesperStef
09-18-2019, 09:55 PM
Main Draw Results from Day 4 (Wed 18 Sep 2019):

Men's Team

Semi-finals:

[1] China 3:0 Japan [4]
1) Xu Xin 3:1 Tomokazu Harimoto (5:11, 11:7, 11:8, 12:10)
2) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Maharu Yoshimura (13:11, 11:8, 11:6)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Kazuhiro Yoshimura (11:6, 14:12, 11:1)


[2] South Korea 3:0 Chinese Taipei [4]
1) Jeoung Youngsik 3:2 Liao Cheng-Ting (7:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:7, 12:10)
2) Jang Woojin 3:0 Chen Chien-An (11:9, 11:9, 11:9)
3) Lee Sangsu 3:0 Wang Tai-Wei (11:6, 12:10, 11:9)


Final:

[1] China 3:0 South Korea [2]
1) Xu Xin 3:0 Jang Woojin (11:3, 11:7, 11:9)
2) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Jeoung Youngsik (11:8, 11:9, 11:7)
3) Liang Jingkun 3:0 Lee Sangsu (11:8, 11:7, 11:4)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
09-18-2019, 10:30 PM
Results from Day 4 (Wed 18 Sep 2019):

Mixed Doubles

Round of 16 (selected results):

[12] Cho Daeseong/Shin Yubin 3:0 Chen Chien-An/Chen Szu-Yu [5] (11:7, 11:7, 11:6)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen 3:0 Ho Kwan Kit/Lee Ho Ching [8] (11:8, 11:3, 11:5)
[4] Lee Sangsu/Jeon Jihee 3:0 Shunsuke Togami/Saki Shibata [7] (11:3, 11:2, 12:10)

[3] Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem 3:1 Yukiya Uda/Miyu Kato [6] (11:7, 11:6, 2:11, 11:6)
[2] Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha 3:1 Cho Daeseong/Shin Yubin [12] (11:5, 4:11, 11:4, 11:9)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

Janard
09-19-2019, 02:24 AM
Watching the finals and semis, the CNT seems like an easy bet to win the Olympics. There would have to be a catastrophy for some one else to win Tokyo imho. The positive thing is that Harimoto although vulnerable to players outside of the CNT still keeps his fighting spirit. He was playing Xu Xin to win the match actually and was posing threats in every set.
I'm not so sure if the same can be said about other JNT stars ... So looking from Yogyakarta to Tokyo, maybe in the men's singles could be an upset, but still rather vague ...

As NextLevel mentioned, the Team World Cup is a better gauge. I remember Liu Guoliang did mention after WTTC2019 that the game is rather 'open' (i.e. unpredictable) on the men's side, despite China having an edge (as a team specifically) over the rest. In about a year or two's time, ML and XX will likely retire (already 'pushing it' for Chinese standards with regards to retirement) which will bridge the gap even more and LGY, LJK and WCQ have yet to display clear dominance.

The women's side is less 'favourable' (although diversity for the sake of diversity is not a point I completely agree with). Asian Championships represents about the highest standards in the current female TT game, one in which China's dominance is very marked – their challenge is limiting the vast pool of talent to a team of 3 or 5 depending on the tournament while the other countries are struggling to fit three players able to match the top Chinese women. The unpredictability here, if any, is within the 'second tier' (assuming top comprises China and Japan) – South Korea, North Korea, Singapore, Chinese Taipei, Hong Kong.

jawien
09-19-2019, 06:44 AM
As NextLevel mentioned, the Team World Cup is a better gauge. I remember Liu Guoliang did mention after WTTC2019 that the game is rather 'open' (i.e. unpredictable) on the men's side, despite China having an edge (as a team specifically) over the rest. In about a year or two's time, ML and XX will likely retire (already 'pushing it' for Chinese standards with regards to retirement) which will bridge the gap even more and LGY, LJK and WCQ have yet to display clear dominance.

The women's side is less 'favourable' (although diversity for the sake of diversity is not a point I completely agree with). Asian Championships represents about the highest standards in the current female TT game, one in which China's dominance is very marked – their challenge is limiting the vast pool of talent to a team of 3 or 5 depending on the tournament while the other countries are struggling to fit three players able to match the top Chinese women. The unpredictability here, if any, is within the 'second tier' (assuming top comprises China and Japan) – South Korea, North Korea, Singapore, Chinese Taipei, Hong Kong.

Even with Korean's An Jaehyun, Chinese Taipei Lin Yun-Ju or Harimoto + Mizutani and Koki??? (Challenger in Paraguay ...) those three teams have little chances of prevailing against the CNT. Not to mention the Europe. If maybe Harimoto was on the same team as An and Lin ... against CNT ; ) I would like to see a match like that. But, besides Tomokazu, Lin and An when I watch other players (maybe it's just my perception) they play against the CNT without the intention to "hurt" the other side, maybe CNT was so dominating against them for such a long time ...

I think ML and XX will still play after Tokyo, a year or two for sure ...

Shine
09-19-2019, 08:05 AM
The best threat to the CNT didn't play the event though with CCY sitting it out and LYJ injured. We will get a better idea after the World Team Cup.
Without trying to put either of them down I think CCY and CCA are not big threats to the CNT like LYJ or TH, I can only see them putting up the most resistance and probably a shocking outcome against LGY or probably WCQ (which is getting more unlikely as he's very solid these days), As for FZD, ML, XX, or LJK it's very unlikely unless an off day happens, CCA has improved of course but I don't think he's at the level or consistency to challenge the latter four,I think the familiarity with LYJ is what made their recent fight a very intense one, And the thing is for doubles CcY/CCA or LCT/LYJ are not as strong as ML or FZD paired with XX, And as in the Japan match with XX vs TH the first match, the CNT may be keen to quickly match up the player with the better record against their main opponent as early as possible in the matchup, So for example although unlikely CNT can match up XX vs LYJ, and that's the match that decides if it's a fight or a walk in the park so either side will go all out, if XX wins, the other two matches will be strolls to victory, that's how this matches end quickly, If LYJ wins, it gets interesting, And we'll see if either of his teammates can get a win cos if CNT win the doubles which is most likely, even if LYJ wins 2 singles matchups( in the case of CCY/CCA playing doubles) which will be a very difficult task in itself, It's very unlikely CCY or CCA will secure a third win

Danny21312
09-19-2019, 08:06 AM
I think the only way for the rest of the world to beat China in a team event would be to have an international team comprised of the biggest threats to China like LYJ, Harimoto, Calderano, Boll and Gauzy (maybe only threat to XX). Chances would still be low, but definitely higher than one country beating them.

jawien
09-19-2019, 08:18 AM
I think the only way for the rest of the world to beat China in a team event would be to have an international team comprised of the biggest threats to China like LYJ, Harimoto, Calderano, Boll and Gauzy (maybe only threat to XX). Chances would still be low, but definitely higher than one country beating them.

Not sure about the lineup, but I would agree ; )

Danny21312
09-19-2019, 08:21 AM
Not sure about the lineup, but I would agree ; )
Who else would you have for the lineup? I couldn't think of anyone who is as big a threat to China as these players, except Franziska and Falck maybe but their consistency isn't there yet imo.

jawien
09-19-2019, 09:13 AM
Who else would you have for the lineup? I couldn't think of anyone who is as big a threat to China as these players, except Franziska and Falck maybe but their consistency isn't there yet imo.

LYJ, TH, An Jaehyun, Hugo Calderano.

Simon is an artist and Timo is the best player ... but my gut feeling tells me, the younger generation would stand a better chance against the CNT, the generation that doesn't know yet that CNT can't be challenged ...

zeio
09-19-2019, 12:05 PM
XX/LSW 0-2 LSS/JHH
1:7, 4:7, TO for KOR, 5:7, 7:7, 7:9, 8:9, 8:10, 10:10, 12:10

XX/LSW 3-2 LSS/JHH

https://images.mysafetysign.com/img/md/I/bang-head-stress-relief-sign-is-1323.png

Renade
09-19-2019, 12:20 PM
XX/LSW Catch up 2 match points and get 1 game point then win 3rd game
WOW
still long way ahead

Bravo

Danny21312
09-19-2019, 12:25 PM
The moment the Korean pair lost that 3rd set after being up 7-1, was the moment i knew they lost the match..

And, lo and behold, that's exactly what happened..

Janard
09-19-2019, 01:12 PM
Doo is the Jeon

zeio
09-19-2019, 02:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QS7apOd.jpg

R64 -> R32...

NextLevel
09-19-2019, 03:23 PM
Without trying to put either of them down I think CCY and CCA are not big threats to the CNT like LYJ or TH, I can only see them putting up the most resistance and probably a shocking outcome against LGY or probably WCQ (which is getting more unlikely as he's very solid these days), As for FZD, ML, XX, or LJK it's very unlikely unless an off day happens, CCA has improved of course but I don't think he's at the level or consistency to challenge the latter four,I think the familiarity with LYJ is what made their recent fight a very intense one, And the thing is for doubles CcY/CCA or LCT/LYJ are not as strong as ML or FZD paired with XX, And as in the Japan match with XX vs TH the first match, the CNT may be keen to quickly match up the player with the better record against their main opponent as early as possible in the matchup, So for example although unlikely CNT can match up XX vs LYJ, and that's the match that decides if it's a fight or a walk in the park so either side will go all out, if XX wins, the other two matches will be strolls to victory, that's how this matches end quickly, If LYJ wins, it gets interesting, And we'll see if either of his teammates can get a win cos if CNT win the doubles which is most likely, even if LYJ wins 2 singles matchups( in the case of CCY/CCA playing doubles) which will be a very difficult task in itself, It's very unlikely CCY or CCA will secure a third win


Logically I agree. But what I will say is that it really comes down to LYJ. I think when he is playing well. CCA and CCY play better. And that might be enough under the right circumstances.

jawien
09-19-2019, 03:44 PM
Nice possible matchups in R16 both Men and Women.
Lin Gaoyuan - An Jaehyun ..

zeio
09-19-2019, 04:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_odV50bg8o

Junting
09-20-2019, 12:29 AM
I think the only way for the rest of the world to beat China in a team event would be to have an international team comprised of the biggest threats to China like LYJ, Harimoto, Calderano, Boll and Gauzy (maybe only threat to XX). Chances would still be low, but definitely higher than one country beating them.

In fact this idea had ever been put into practice several years ago, which is called China vs World Challenge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_vs._World_Challenge

lVegita
09-20-2019, 01:53 AM
Really nice match, but the point at 07:03 just makes me smile everytime


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFcm7qJzvD4

Janard
09-20-2019, 03:44 AM
In fact this idea had ever been put into practice several years ago, which is called China vs World Challenge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_vs._World_Challenge

So interesting! This caught my eye:

24 June 2011 Shanghai
South Korea Kim Kyung-Ah
Singapore Feng Tianwei
Hong Kong Tie Ya Na

China Guo Yan
China Feng Yalan
China Zhu Yuling

World beats China 3-2

Wonder who beat who – would be great if you can shed light on this.

Also, if this is the winners' treatment, I shudder to think about losing.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fx67FNxL%2F8055abb6eae04bc8935b0a2c56dd9101.jpg

Junting
09-20-2019, 04:17 AM
So interesting! This caught my eye:

24 June 2011 Shanghai
South Korea Kim Kyung-Ah
Singapore Feng Tianwei
Hong Kong Tie Ya Na

China Guo Yan
China Feng Yalan
China Zhu Yuling

World beats China 3-2

Wonder who beat who – would be great if you can shed light on this.

Also, if this is the winners' treatment, I shudder to think about losing.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fi.ibb.co%252Fx67FNxL%252F8055abb6eae04bc8935b0a2c56dd9101.jpg

GY > KKA
FYL < FTW
ZYl < TYN
GY < FTW
FYL > KKA

However I cannot find the score information...

The rule seems that even if one team reached 3 wins, all of 5 matches must be played.

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/p/2011-06-24/19115631903.shtml

langel
09-20-2019, 04:47 AM
Really nice match, but the point at 07:03 just makes me smile everytime


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFcm7qJzvD4


Yeah, good match.
In fact I liked very much Hariomoto's play in this match. Very good tactical play and he managed to push away XX with perfect placements from side to side. Harimoto lost by self-defeating, too much errors in attack.

jawien
09-20-2019, 07:13 AM
In fact this idea had ever been put into practice several years ago, which is called China vs World Challenge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_vs._World_Challenge

Based on the results of team events for the last 20 years or so, it could be resurrected ... : )

Michal_Z
09-20-2019, 08:47 AM
so is there any main draw that I would love to see?

jawien
09-20-2019, 09:04 AM
so is there any main draw that I would love to see?

I would love to show it to you ...
http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5068/results.html#/knock-outs
; )

zeio
09-20-2019, 09:55 AM
Hirano VS DHK
G4, 4:2, TO for Doo?, 4:5, 9:5, 9:7, 11:7.

zeio
09-20-2019, 10:27 AM
Also, if this is the winners' treatment, I shudder to think about losing.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fx67FNxL%2F8055abb6eae04bc8935b0a2c56dd9101.jpg

Who is that clueless fatso? /s

zeio
09-20-2019, 10:45 AM
Ljk 2-3 jys.

Danny21312
09-20-2019, 10:48 AM
Finally the first big upset in a tournament that has been very depressing for the rest of the world. Good job Youngsik.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 10:55 AM
Finally the first big upset in a tournament that seemed to be very depressing for the rest of the world. Good job Youngsik.

Yes I just saw that. Jeoung continues to remind me that having a crappy forehand doesn't mean the world must come to an end in table tennis.

zeio
09-20-2019, 10:59 AM
Yes I just saw that. Jeoung continues to remind me that having a crappy forehand doesn't mean the world must come to an end in table tennis.

Not to forget LJK has a crappier FH.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 11:05 AM
Not to forget LJK has a crappier FH.

That is debatable but I get your gist. At least he has the power to make up for it. Would love to see the match one day.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 11:06 AM
https://youtu.be/AF784Rl1PbY

Sathiyan's win over Harimoto for people who want to see it.

Loopadoop
09-20-2019, 11:25 AM
Yes I just saw that. Jeoung continues to remind me that having a crappy forehand doesn't mean the world must come to an end in table tennis.

If his 4h is so crappy, why don't they
play to it ?

jawien
09-20-2019, 11:30 AM
Yes I just saw that. Jeoung continues to remind me that having a crappy forehand doesn't mean the world must come to an end in table tennis.

So seems that bh is more important than fh in today's tt.

zeio
09-20-2019, 11:35 AM
That is debatable but I get your gist. At least he has the power to make up for it. Would love to see the match one day.


https://youtu.be/wJgce2Yhu0Y?t=528

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-20-2019, 12:02 PM
looks like ISHIKAWA was almost crying towards the end of the match

0-3 (7 8 4) , business as usual, another defeat to LIU Shiwen

zeio
09-20-2019, 12:04 PM
looks like ISHIKAWA was almost crying towards the end of the match

0-3 (7 8 4) , business as usual, another defeat to LIU Shiwen

This youtube comment says it all:


victory Andrew ​石川は中国の二軍レベル、勝てる要素はほぼない。

zeio
09-20-2019, 12:31 PM
Hirano has gotten the hang of delay tactics. The area to work on next is transitioning.

karupinkun
09-20-2019, 12:34 PM
compared to ishikawa hirano is at least competitive

Sali
09-20-2019, 12:54 PM
Hirano has gotten the hang of delay tactics. The area to work on next is transitioning.

She has been beaten easily by the medium level chinese player (nowadays) in quite poor form. But talking Hirano you somehow always see the light in the end of tunnel. I am thinking next few years when Ishikawa retires who will you hate and will you still defend Hirano that she has something to work out?

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 01:08 PM
She has been beaten easily by the medium level chinese player (nowadays) in quite poor form. But talking Hirano you somehow always see the light in the end of tunnel. I am thinking next few years when Ishikawa retires who will you hate and will you still defend Hirano that she has something to work out?

Yeah. Zeio sees the potential of everyone except Ishikawa. The excuse is youth, but the truth is that no one is doing that well against the Chinese. The most competitive matches are against Ding Ning from other countries especially PRK. Hirano didn't really make a dent.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 01:10 PM
So seems that bh is more important than fh in today's tt.

No. I think the 40mm ball made the backhand equally important but I think the plastic ball has shifted the balance of power back to the forehand. The Chiquita is easier to play now but it is not as devastating.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 01:12 PM
Looks like Jeoung won't get to reap what he sowed. Too bad as beating LJK would have been tough for Harimoto.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 01:13 PM
https://youtu.be/wJgce2Yhu0Y?t=528

You know I meant the JYS win...

karupinkun
09-20-2019, 01:21 PM
Looks like Jeoung won't get to reap what he sowed. Too bad as beating LJK would have been tough for Harimoto.

I think harimoto has quite a good record against LJK

zeio
09-20-2019, 01:26 PM
WTTC 1997
MT, Waldner 0-2 Samsonov
MS, Waldner 3-0 x 7, 3-0 Samsonov in the final

ATTC 2019
MT, Harimoto 0-3 Gnanasekaran
MS, Harimoto 3-0 x 5...

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 01:27 PM
I think harimoto has quite a good record against LJK
He has beaten him before but it's been a while since they played and the top CNT players get extra prep for playing the top CNT opponents. Very different focus level which is why I want to see the JYS win.

Sali
09-20-2019, 01:31 PM
Looks like Jeoung won't get to reap what he sowed. Too bad as beating LJK would have been tough for Harimoto.
I think LJK is not playing top level for some time. I do not remember him beating anyone top lately. At the same time JYS is the biggest mistery for me, he can beat anyone and loose to anyone, just look at his statistics
http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=87&Itemid=240&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0

Harimoto now is like LJK, he had his time but now everything looks quite good untill he meets chinese player.

zeio
09-20-2019, 01:32 PM
You know I meant the JYS win...

You know I meant LJK's crappier FH...

zeio
09-20-2019, 03:56 PM
She has been beaten easily by the medium level chinese player (nowadays) in quite poor form. But talking Hirano you somehow always see the light in the end of tunnel. I am thinking next few years when Ishikawa retires who will you hate and will you still defend Hirano that she has something to work out?

In case it's not obvious by now, I avoid you like the plague as I've become allergic to noobs after an infamous engineer made the following statement.


Rubbers and blades don't generate power unless you burn them.

But since I get to brag about my observations over the years I'll make an exception here.

https://i.imgur.com/5iJhCNF.png

https://i.imgur.com/k4i8gzR.png

https://i.imgur.com/xWMcdX4.png

In terms of accomplishment in singles, Hirano is currently the best player on the circuit outside of China. Until you make a correct prediction in the future like yours truly did,

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3cda7c81d2840b84752665446adb11d4/tenor.gif?itemid=12056258

jawien
09-20-2019, 04:23 PM
[...] who will you hate ...



Cause it's not "hate" at all ...
... it's just tough love.
; )

drunix80
09-20-2019, 05:16 PM
Where can I find LJK vs Youngsik match highlights . Any help appreciated !

zeio
09-20-2019, 06:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5SIMiQeiQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITOS3wxxtPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sORYutPDbJc

zeio
09-20-2019, 06:30 PM
Gnanasekaran's guide to keeping Harimoto quiet:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF784Rl1PbY

Shine
09-20-2019, 07:08 PM
Xu Xin vs Tomokazu Harimoto will be epic tomorrow, seems like Tomokazu has probably found something to exploit tomorrow through post match analysis, if XX backhand holds up well tomorrow though, It'd be incredibly tough to beat him.

NextLevel
09-20-2019, 07:59 PM
Xu Xin vs Tomokazu Harimoto will be epic tomorrow, seems like Tomokazu has probably found something to exploit tomorrow through post match analysis, if XX backhand holds up well tomorrow though, It'd be incredibly tough to beat him.

The match is on Sunday.

Shine
09-21-2019, 03:44 AM
The match is on Sunday. yeah, my bad, Sunday, I just checked the Ittf website and it's men doubles, women singles and mixed doubles conclusion today

zeio
09-21-2019, 06:25 AM
XX/FZD 0-2 M. Yoshimura/Togami

9:2, 9:6, TO by Qin, 11:6.

Togami pairs well with Yoshimura. I guess his comeback over Uda in the junior boys final of the All-Japan wasn't a fluke.

Janard
09-21-2019, 06:43 AM
XX/FZD 0-2 M. Yoshimura/Togami

9:2, 9:6, TO by Qin, 11:6.

Togami pairs well with Yoshimura. I guess his comeback over Uda in the junior boys final of the All-Japan wasn't a fluke.

While Togami is proving to be the Jeon, Yoshimura is looking like the Lee now.

zeio
09-21-2019, 06:50 AM
While Togami is proving to be the Jeon, Yoshimura is looking like the Lee now.

There you have it. Epic service error at 5:9. 8.0 on the Ishikawa scale.


https://youtu.be/_A6KtPcJVmc?t=287

Shine
09-21-2019, 07:00 AM
Long push into Maharu's backhand from the 3rd set worked really well, Also Fan played more proactive from 3rd set on, he was just lackluster and lost in the first two and always played soft on the backhand which usually is a good harbinger, also the spin shots and generally not missing much from 3rd set helped Fan/Xu, In the 5th set, they notched up the aggression. Good game from Japan

Sali
09-21-2019, 07:54 AM
In case it's not obvious by now, I avoid you like the plague as I've become allergic to noobs after an infamous engineer made the following statement.



But since I get to brag about my observations over the years I'll make an exception here.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5iJhCNF.png

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fk4i8gzR.png

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxWMcdX4.png

In terms of accomplishment in singles, Hirano is currently the best player on the circuit outside of China. Until you make a correct prediction in the future like yours truly did,

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F3cda7c81d2840b84752665446adb11d4%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3D12056258

I remember when I signed up to this forum probably 5 years ago. I liked it because everyone was nice to each other. Today it has changed somehow with you big contribution. I appreciate your posts related to Japanese translation or uploading information about players which are missing here. We can all criticize each other, we can above all criticize players, evaluate their style or technique – thanks to that we can learn more for ourselves.
However I completely do not understand how you can destroy someone’s dreams. Ishikawa has devoted her whole life to this sport, she also achieved some solid results, she is in top 10 for very long time. You do not like her style? Fine write about it. But uploading photos of a girl crying after losing match and making fun of any situation in which she loses to China is simply vile.
I do not mention comparing me to plague or sending rude gif with black guy – congratulations.
Perhaps we are bought up in a different culture, but since this forum is international, we should probably follow higher standards.

Michal_Z
09-21-2019, 08:24 AM
THE LIU SHIWEN is BACK!
YEAH! :-)

Shine
09-21-2019, 09:25 AM
I'm really surprised to know that Yui Hamamoto's parents are Chinese( from zeio's post), I could never have imagined that, She has the archetypal Japanese female looks and mannerisms

zeio
09-21-2019, 09:28 AM
I'm really surprised to know that Yui Hamamoto's parents are Chinese( from zeio's post), I could never have imagined that, She has the archetypal Japanese female looks and mannerisms

She's a mix. Her Japanese dad is a former pro volleyball player. Her Chinese mom, Yang Fei, used to be on the Bayi team, moved to Japan after retirement.

Mom and daughter
https://rr.img.naver.jp/mig?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowow.co.jp%2Fsports%2Fflowers%2Fthickbox%2Fimg%2F14_hamamoto_photo.jpg&twidth=1000&theight=0&qlt=80&res_format=jpg&op=r

zeio
09-21-2019, 10:19 AM
I remember when I signed up to this forum probably 5 years ago. I liked it because everyone was nice to each other. Today it has changed somehow with you big contribution. I appreciate your posts related to Japanese translation or uploading information about players which are missing here. We can all criticize each other, we can above all criticize players, evaluate their style or technique – thanks to that we can learn more for ourselves.
However I completely do not understand how you can destroy someone’s dreams. Ishikawa has devoted her whole life to this sport, she also achieved some solid results, she is in top 10 for very long time. You do not like her style? Fine write about it. But uploading photos of a girl crying after losing match and making fun of any situation in which she loses to China is simply vile.
I do not mention comparing me to plague or sending rude gif with black guy – congratulations.
Perhaps we are bought up in a different culture, but since this forum is international, we should probably follow higher standards.

Truth be told, I tried to be nice by not responding. To give you an example:

Bulgaria open
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21650-2019-Bulgaria-Open-(World-Tour)&p=285900&viewfull=1#post285900
https://i.imgur.com/wHI3AiY.png

Paraguay Open
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21816-ITTF-Paraguay-Open-2019&p=288559&viewfull=1#post288559
https://i.imgur.com/HltmrF0.png

It goes back further when my noob-o-meter first flagged you, but whatever. Have a nice weekend.

Allergen level: A-choo!

Sali
09-21-2019, 10:42 AM
Truth be told, I tried to be nice by not responding. To give you an example:

Bulgaria open
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21650-2019-Bulgaria-Open-(World-Tour)&p=285900&viewfull=1#post285900
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwHI3AiY.png

Paraguay Open
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21816-ITTF-Paraguay-Open-2019&p=288559&viewfull=1#post288559
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHltmrF0.png

It goes back further when my noob-o-meter first flagged you, but whatever. Have a nice weekend.

Allergen level: A-choo!

I have never offend anyone here (I think) and especially any player. I tried always to evaluate performance or player skills (maybe not all of them are appropriate). You put some of my posts - do you see anywhere I tried to offend anyone or player?
Difference is we can always dispute about players level, their attitude, performance or style, but what we should not do is offend them (especialy they are not here to defend) by making statements like you do.

Nice weekend. AMEN

jawien
09-21-2019, 12:50 PM
There is this nice Xu Xin and Harimoto matchup tomorrow so there's no need to call it a weekend yet ; )
Btw Liu vs Sun Yingsha is a mystery to me ...

zeio
09-21-2019, 01:19 PM
sys 7:2, 8:8, 8:10, 10:10, 10:11, 11:11, 11:12, 12:12, 14:12 lsw

jawien
09-21-2019, 01:32 PM
yep SYS is ruling ...

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-21-2019, 02:02 PM
making fun of ISHIKAWA is just a meme. We all love her, Zeio included.

I'm a fan and supporter of ISHIKAWA but yeh i think she's useless against top Chinese players. not just by a lack of skill but because of mental problems because ISHIKAWA has just lost too many fights already.

If I was the Japanese coach i wouldn't let her play in a team event against China. I would try a young player. or if I don't have the choice at least i would put her #3

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-21-2019, 02:49 PM
SUN Yingsha won against LIU Shiwen 3-0 in the final.

I believe this is the 1st big title in a very long list to come. I think she is much better than all the current active players, including WANG Manyu.

Dondragon81
09-21-2019, 02:49 PM
Sun Yingsha getting super strong now!

Sali
09-21-2019, 03:42 PM
SUN Yingsha won against LIU Shiwen 3-0 in the final.

I believe this is the 1st big title in a very long list to come. I think she is much better than all the current active players, including WANG Manyu.
I would list currently
SYS
LSW
WMY
CM
ZYL

zeio
09-21-2019, 03:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFk7XAQKQm0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MXgMXOWUZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L275tCtZ5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE1KwmGQKLU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axya7ArT5Uc

Hamasaki_Fanz
09-21-2019, 05:01 PM
can anyone tell me why the matches are only best of 5?

zeio
09-21-2019, 05:16 PM
Not sure, but starting with ATTC 2017, all matches in all events are best-of-5.

Dondragon81
09-21-2019, 05:17 PM
can anyone tell me why the matches are only best of 5?

limited time, multiple competitions, and the pros are also only human!

zeio
09-21-2019, 05:35 PM
Back then with best-of-7, ATTC lasted 8 days as well, had 7 events(MS, WS, MT, WT, MD, WD, XD), and placement matches. Pretty crazy.

Shine
09-21-2019, 06:52 PM
CM is definitely above WMY in that list, Even ZYL have been beating WMY comfortably these days, As a fan of Manyu it's clear to see why she struggles against CM and SYS, Both of them have a very strong base and core where they can generate power and speed,and have more natural and fluid forehands, Manyu's forehand appears crooked at time and playing to her wide forehand always forces weak returns from her, She still has a lot of work to do to catch up with them which I hope she does of course. She only has a decent record against DN and LSW

zeio
09-22-2019, 02:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLJD6tt63U

Janard
09-22-2019, 03:14 AM
CM is definitely above WMY in that list, Even ZYL have been beating WMY comfortably these days, As a fan of Manyu it's clear to see why she struggles against CM and SYS, Both of them have a very strong base and core where they can generate power and speed,and have more natural and fluid forehands, Manyu's forehand appears crooked at time and playing to her wide forehand always forces weak returns from her, She still has a lot of work to do to catch up with them which I hope she does of course. She only has a decent record against DN and LSW

WMY's advantage has declined because her main strength is her power shots but that can be acclimated gradually through training, particularly now that more females are sparring with males. She doesn't have as keen a tactical mind as the more experienced players or a more efficient FH as SYS (i.e. swings too widely leaving less time to recover).

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-22-2019, 03:58 AM
why is LSW called Jujube ??

Janard
09-22-2019, 04:18 AM
why is LSW called Jujube ??

When she was younger (around 14/15 years old), she was slightly chubby and flushes quite often so Guo Yan thought her face resembles a small red date aka jujube.

https://i.ibb.co/dkM8FyC/a8ec8a13632762d01b64a477abec08fa503dc6a4.jpg

zeio
09-22-2019, 04:40 AM
making fun of ISHIKAWA is just a meme. We all love her, Zeio included.

I'm a fan and supporter of ISHIKAWA but yeh i think she's useless against top Chinese players. not just by a lack of skill but because of mental problems because ISHIKAWA has just lost too many fights already.

If I was the Japanese coach i wouldn't let her play in a team event against China. I would try a young player. or if I don't have the choice at least i would put her #3

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FoolhardyBitesizedAsiantrumpetfish-size_restricted.gif

You see I spend time coming up with creative ways to bash her. You must've read how some Japanese write about her...

https://gei-supo.com/11605/amp/

82 :2019/03/03(日) 22:00:18.67 ID:jpTdYdhc0.net

石川では中国勢に勝てそうにない
日本人相手には強い内弁慶

https://girllife.site/%E7%94%B7%E5%AD%90%E3%81%AF%E5%BC%B5%E6%9C%AC%E3%81%8C%E5%88%9D%E5%84%AA%E5%8B%9D%E3%80%81%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%90%E3%81%AF%E7%9F%B3%E5%B7%9D2%E5%B9%B4%E3%81%B6%E3%82%8A4%E5%9B%9E%E7%9B%AE%E3%80%80%E5%8D%93/

26.
石川は、可愛いけど、内弁慶やな。

Keyword: 内弁慶 - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%86%85%E5%BC%81%E6%85%B6

Even the Ishikawa supporters in China have picked that up and call her that in an affectionate way, "窩純", "囧純"...

Even Bobrow couldn't help it. He typically does a good job remaining optimistic and neutral.


https://youtu.be/GmSfkjF9Zek?t=715

zeio
09-22-2019, 06:13 AM
CM/WMY vs Hirano/Ishikawa
5:9, 6:9, 6:10, 6:11. Hirano got most of the points as long as Ishikawa could keep up.
11:7. Ishikawa popped up so many receives. She just doesn't step up.
4:1, 5:5, 7:5, 8:6, 10:6, 11:7.
Ugh, Ishikawa, please...

Vlad Celler
09-22-2019, 06:43 AM
I wonder how Chinese coaches or Chinese players evaluate the comparative level of the game of Ito-Hayata and Ishikawa-Hirano ....

I have no confidence that Hayata will be present at the team world cup ... And there - WD.

NextLevel
09-22-2019, 06:45 AM
I wonder how Chinese coaches or Chinese players evaluate the comparative level of the game of Ito-Hayata and Ishikawa-Hirano ....
They really should try Hirano - Hayata. That might be special.

Vlad Celler
09-22-2019, 06:48 AM
They really should try Hirano - Hayata. That might be special.

I agree ... It is surprising that if I remember correctly, the coaches of Japan have never tried this option ....

Danny21312
09-22-2019, 07:46 AM
It seems like no matter what strategy Harimoto comes up with he just can't beat XX..

NextLevel
09-22-2019, 07:46 AM
Xu Xin is making Harimoto look like a schoolboy...

Hysteresis
09-22-2019, 07:56 AM
Xu Xin is making Harimoto look like a schoolboy...


Well Harimoto IS still a schoolboy, so it's not actually saying much :)

BlipBlop575
09-22-2019, 07:58 AM
Xu Xin style is just too hard for HT to deal with.. LYJ has a better chance to beat him.

NextLevel
09-22-2019, 07:58 AM
Well Harimoto IS still a schoolboy, so it's not actually saying much :)

Only if you think he looks like a schoolboy making the ATTC semis... Harimoto still looks lost. Not clear if he is growing fast enough...

zeio
09-22-2019, 08:08 AM
Having a monster mom doesn't help. Harimoto's training time is getting hampered by her insistence for him to study at an ivy league school.

Tempest/Comet
09-22-2019, 08:11 AM
I agree ... It is surprising that if I remember correctly, the coaches of Japan have never tried this option ....
they did, with good results, a while back, gold in German Op 2017, Czech & Bulgaria 2018.
but for Hirano-Hayata to happen, Hirano will have to squeeze out Ishikawa, and she’s only leading by 325 pts.

Shine
09-22-2019, 08:15 AM
Only if you think he looks like a schoolboy making the ATTC semis... Harimoto still looks lost. Not clear if he is growing fast enough...
I think it's the kind of game he plays against Xu Xin that makes it very difficult for him to avoid flurries of 3rd balls from every angle, the first point of the match he won with nice short pushes and he cheered and nodded to Coach Yosuke, I thought boy are you not showing your plans, next point he ditched it and went for the Chiquita, thing is XX himself is a master in the short game and probably Hari had doubts in mind whether short push sequences will suffice, he tried the Chiquita to every corner, XX was ready for both, he wants to play an open game against XX, way I see it unless a very underwhelming XX plays that day and the backhand struggles he won't beat XX cos he still doesn't have the pure counterloop power and staying ability especially from the forehand, also like in the franziska vs XX match few months ago, I think he has to find resources and sequences that'll make XX most uncomfortable and out of position like he started to find in the 3rd set and then attack, just focusing on attacking via Chiquita only won't do it for him

Shine
09-22-2019, 08:18 AM
By the way XX looked drained from choing hard in the first two sets that he couldn't cho in the third it was kinda hilarious, also someone in the live stream said XX is a father now, can zeio or Janard confirm this

NextLevel
09-22-2019, 08:22 AM
Having a monster mom doesn't help. Harimoto's training time is getting hampered by her insistence for him to study at an ivy league school.

That's not the impression people give me watching him at tournaments. He trains everyday and pretty hard. Even on match days.

zeio
09-22-2019, 08:25 AM
By the way XX looked drained from choing hard in the first two sets that he couldn't cho in the third it was kinda hilarious, also someone in the live stream said XX is a father now, can zeio or Janard confirm this

https://www.weibo.com/1847912164/I7eDM0nBe?from=page_1005051847912164_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime

NextLevel
09-22-2019, 08:30 AM
Lin Gaoyuan didn't play the Team Event... amazing...

FZD looks like a schoolboy despite being the defending champ - that he couldn't defend/neutralize LGY's Chiquita was a bit depressing.

zeio
09-22-2019, 08:30 AM
That's not the impression people give me watching him at tournaments. He trains everyday and pretty hard. Even on match days.

It's been widely reported that he trains after getting off school at 5:30pm on school days and only train full time on the weekends. Her mom has said on TV for years that table tennis is only the 3rd priority, after health and school.

https://www.upower.com.hk/article/470735-%E9%AB%98%E4%B8%AD%E5%A5%A7%E9%81%8B%E5%85%A9%E4%B8%8D%E8%AA%A4-%E5%BC%B5%E6%9C%AC%E6%99%BA%E5%92%8C%E6%AF%8F%E5%A4%A9%E6%94%BE%E5%AD%B8%E5%BE%8C5%E9%BB%9E%E5%8D%8A%E7%B7%B4%E6%B3%A2

Hysteresis
09-22-2019, 08:31 AM
Holy crap, what was that FZD?

That was abysmal, he needs to seriously get out of his slump. LGY had been his whipping boy for a while now, it was the only match in T2 that he actually looked sharp in, now he's getting destroyed even by LGY.

Vlad Celler
09-22-2019, 08:31 AM
they did, with good results, a while back, gold in German Op 2017, Czech & Bulgaria 2018.
but for Hirano-Hayata to happen, Hirano will have to squeeze out Ishikawa, and she’s only leading by 325 pts.

The November ranking will take into account the results of the WWC ....
Other things being equal, Ishikawa will lose more (the difference between the old points and the new ones) than Hirano...(-1913/-1785)...

zeio
09-22-2019, 08:32 AM
FZD: No Harimoto? No fun. I'm out.

Tempest/Comet
09-22-2019, 08:45 AM
The November ranking will take into account the results of the WWC ....
Other things being equal, Ishikawa will lose more (the difference between the old points and the new ones) than Hirano...(-1913/-1785)...

but it's not important what they loose because of shedding of useless past points, but their best 8 they gained in 2019, plus T2 that matters.
Besides, WR is useless for ITo, Hirano, Ishikawa in Dec anyway, the only Tournament Grand Final seeding is determined by WT results.
But for Hayata, if she plays in Canada' Challenge +, WR matters. (We hope she goes, as traveling across frozen Canada to Toronto in the dead of winter is quite unpleasant, to say the least.)

jawien
09-22-2019, 08:51 AM
Harimoto can't pay his fast bh-bh exchanges and then switch down the line. Xu Xin just covers too much of the table ...

Vlad Celler
09-22-2019, 09:00 AM
but it's not important what they loose because of shedding of useless past points, but their best 8 they gained in 2019, plus T2 that matters.
Besides, WR is useless for ITo, Hirano, Ishikawa in Dec anyway, the only Tournament Grand Final seeding is determined by WT results.
But for Hayata, if she plays in Canada' Challenge +, WR matters. (We hope she goes, as traveling across frozen Canada to Toronto in the dead of winter is quite unpleasant, to say the least.)

I hope that the November ITTF rating will be used for seeding (in Canada), and not the December one ....(In the December ranking, Hayata will have a fall ....)

zeio
09-22-2019, 09:31 AM
Haters rejoice. Most depressing Harimoto ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1LlmWkrNA

mrk
09-22-2019, 10:24 AM
Haters rejoice. Most depressing Harimoto ever.


What is depressing about his answers? He is realistic. I'm worried about his progress lately, he is still very young but it won't guarantee a major breakthrough. Lin Yu-Ju outpaced him and he isn't that much older.

zeio
09-22-2019, 10:37 AM
What is depressing about his answers? He is realistic. I'm worried about his progress lately, he is still very young but it won't guarantee a major breakthrough. Lin Yu-Ju outpaced him and he isn't that much older.

Note that it's depressing, not depressed. You're worried because of his depressing result.

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/depressed-vs-depressing.3165848/

He is depressing - his behaviour or actions are causing low mood in other people.
He is depressed - things that are happening to him are causing low mood in him.

Everyone needs to stop being so damn depressing about his retirement. - Everyone needs to stop causing depression by discussing his retirement.
Everyone needs to stop being so damn depressed about his retirement. - Everyone needs to stop feeling miserable about the fact of his retirement.

SFF_lib
09-22-2019, 11:34 AM
Congratulations Xu Xin!!!

SFF_lib
09-22-2019, 11:35 AM
Does that mean Xu Xin has earned a men's single ticket in the Tokyo Olympic?

Testosteron
09-22-2019, 11:37 AM
Who is playing in the Olympic? I think Xu 100% but the second? Ma Long or Fan?

Hysteresis
09-22-2019, 11:40 AM
I think it's depressing that he isn't talking about becoming a more complete player.

His answers amount to 'well I didn't get a chance to play to my strengths'. The fact is things aren't always going to go your way, and you need to become more complete so that other people can't constantly take advantage of gaping flaws in your game. You don't wait for your opponent to let you play your game, you get a complete enough skillset to FORCE the game in your favour.

zeio
09-22-2019, 12:04 PM
You don't wait for your opponent to let you play your game, you get a complete enough skillset to FORCE the game in your favour.

That's the central idea guiding the CNT. I'll make your life miserable. Even ML ran into that problem as well.

An excerpt of LGL's assessment of WLQ, MLin, WH, ML, ZJK, XX after WTTC 2011:
http://sports.sohu.com/20110621/n310955653.shtml

  高水平的队员每个人都有自己的特点,王皓是自己怎么舒服怎么来,对手一旦进入他的节奏就好像是进入他设计好的程序一样,他说了算。包括王励勤打得好的时候也是这样,一旦进入他的圈,你想赢一个球都困难。

  而跟马琳打,所有人都会觉得别扭,甭管你多有实力,就是难受,说不出来的难受。人家怎么难受他怎么来,算计人、算计球,就是他的风格、他的特长。尤其是大赛时,他死缠着你打,贴身肉搏。我12年前跟他打决赛就有这种感觉,他威胁很大伤到你了?没有,但就是难受。马琳的发球抢攻让对手发虚,即使是对方自己发球也会怕,在大赛中和马琳打球,对手都是小心翼翼的,一点错误不敢犯,心一直提着,觉得马琳就像根针,你一放松了他就给你来一下。

  马龙的特点是非常全面,好的时候哪儿都好,但是到了关键时刻,他缺少“核武器”,缺少致命的杀手锏。马龙始终给人一种与人保持距离的感觉,能让对手施展开。其实马龙的前三板比马琳好,但是在大赛当中,他前三板的优势就体现不出来。平时他的攻防是最全面的,但是到大赛时防守总是虚的。他的头脑、手感、战术意识是强项,他现在要做的是一定要算计在别人前,想着怎么能把别人锁在他的圈里。光考虑自己打着舒服不行,应该是先让别人难受。

BlipBlop575
09-22-2019, 12:07 PM
You don't wait for your opponent to let you play your game, you get a complete enough skillset to FORCE the game in your favour.
Agreed. And this is why i think LYJ will turn out better than Harimoto in the long run, he's both more complete and forces the game in his favour.

Sali
09-22-2019, 12:51 PM
Does that mean Xu Xin has earned a men's single ticket in the Tokyo Olympic?
I do not know, but I would be very surprised if he doesn't get one. Same as Ma Long.

zeio
09-22-2019, 01:48 PM
Who is playing in the Olympic? I think Xu 100% but the second? Ma Long or Fan?

It's ML 100%, so long as his knee doesn't get worse. XX and FZD fighting for the other.

drunix80
09-22-2019, 02:00 PM
It's ML 100%, so long as his knee doesn't get worse. XX and FZD fighting for the other.
It seems XX is getting the upper hand with time. If FZD's record against foreigners dips, it might be over for FZD

Sali
09-22-2019, 02:35 PM
It seems XX is getting the upper hand with time. If FZD's record against foreigners dips, it might be over for FZD
I think XX has the best year in his career and FZD the worst. Even LGY is much better now then FZD.

Janard
09-22-2019, 02:50 PM
https://i.ibb.co/1n2PSNX/375aac0fd5ff4b4a9b59d61c03405b36.jpg

SYS occupying centre-stage with XX says a lot huh.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-22-2019, 03:13 PM
they have some black girl and a white guy in the CNT (third row ?)

Junting
09-22-2019, 03:23 PM
they have some black girl and a white guy in the CNT (third row ?)

I think these non-Chinese are just physical trainers hired by CNT.

zeio
09-22-2019, 04:49 PM
https://i.ibb.co/1n2PSNX/375aac0fd5ff4b4a9b59d61c03405b36.jpg

SYS occupying centre-stage with XX says a lot huh.

You're telling me WMY/LGY is worse than ZYL/LJK?

Jacky Kwok
09-22-2019, 05:18 PM
Does that mean Xu Xin has earned a men's single ticket in the Tokyo Olympic?

Simple answer is no.

The Asian Championship is a team qualification event for 2020 Tokyo Olympics, meaning the winners in the Men's Team and Women's Team shall qualify for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics Team Events.

And each team event qualifier will automatically qualify 2 spots for the Men’s Single and Women’s Single respectively. But it will be up to the national team/association to decide who to play.

JesperStef
09-22-2019, 07:54 PM
Men's Singles

Round of 128 (selected results):

[1] Xu Xin 3:2 Wang Tai-Wei (11:8, 11:2, 9:11, 13:15, 11:3)
An Ji Song, PRK 3:2 Wong Chun Ting [7] (11:5, 11:5, 4:11, 4:11, 12:10)


Round of 64 (selected results):

[6] Jang Woojin 3:1 Harmeet Desai (7:11, 11:2, 11:5, 11:5)
[10] Jeoung Youngsik 3:0 Ham Yu Song, PRK (11:5, 11:5, 11:8)
Manav Vikash Thakkar 3:2 Kazuhiro Yoshimura [12] (10:12, 11:13, 16:14, 11:4, 11:9)
Takuya Jin 3:2 Achanta Sharath Kamal [13] (4:11, 11:5, 7:11, 11:6, 14:12)
An Ji Song, PRK 3:0 Kim Minhyeok (11:2, 11:5, 11:6)
Liao Cheng-Ting 3:2 Kirill Gerassimenko (12:10, 8:11, 11:7, 9:11, 11:8)


Round of 32 (selected results):

[3] Lin Gaoyuan 3:0 Yukiya Uda (11:6, 11:4, 11:7)
[5] Liang Jingkun 3:1 Ho Kwan Kit (11:7, 9:11, 11:1, 11:5)
[10] Jeoung Youngsik 3:1 Nima Alamian (10:12, 11:5, 11:8, 11:4)
[11] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 3:1 Noshad Alamiyan (8:11, 11:7, 11:6, 11:5)
[14] Chen Chien-An 3:0 Amalraj Anthony (11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
An Ji Song 3:0 Peng Wang-Wei (11:6, 13:11, 11:3)
Liao Cheng-Ting 3:0 Manav Vikash Thakkar (11:9, 11:6, 11:3)


Round of 16:

[1] Xu Xin 3:1 Maharu Yoshimura [15] (7:11, 11:8, 11:2, 11:5)
[8] Lee Sangsu 3:2 Takuya Jin (9:11, 11:7, 8:11, 11:7, 11:5)

[10] Jeoung Youngsik 3:2 Liang Jingkun [5] (9:11, 4:11, 11:6, 11:4, 11:7)
[4] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Chen Chien-An [14] (11:5, 11:9, 12:10)

[3] Lin Gaoyuan 3:0 An Jaehyun [16] (11:9, 11:8, 11:9)
[11] Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 3:0 An Ji Song (11:7, 11:8, 11:6)

[9] Wang Chuqin 3:2 Jang Woojin [6] (12:10, 11:13, 11:1, 5:11, 11:5)
[2] Fan Zhendong 3:0 Liao Cheng-Ting (11:4, 11:5, 11:4)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Xu Xin 3:0 Lee Sangsu [8] (11:7, 11:6, 11:3)
[4] Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Jeoung Youngsik [10] (11:8, 11:7, 11:5)

[3] Lin Gaoyuan 3:1 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran [11] (11:7, 11:5, 8:11, 11:8)
[2] Fan Zhendong 3:0 Wang Chuqin [9] (11:8, 12:10, 11:6)


Semi-finals:

[1] Xu Xin 3:0 Tomokazu Harimoto [4] (11:4, 11:9, 11:9)
[3] Lin Gaoyuan 3:0 Fan Zhendong [2] (11:7, 11:6, 11:3)


Final:

[1] Xu Xin 3:1 Lin Gaoyuan [3] (11:6, 6:11, 11:2, 11:8)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
09-22-2019, 08:11 PM
Women's Singles

Round of 128 (selected results):

Zhu Chengzu, HKG 3:0 Suthasini Sawettabut (11:8, 11:3, 11:6)


Round of 64 (selected results):

[3] Wang Manyu 3:0 Pyon Song Gyong, PRK (11:5, 11:8, 11:3)
[4] Liu Shiwen 3:1 Minnie Soo Wai Yam (11:6, 8:11, 11:9, 11:3)
[6] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:2 Kim Nam Hae, PRK (13:11, 12:10, 10:12, 7:11, 11:6)
[9] Doo Hoi Kem 3:0 Yang Haeun (11:3, 12:10, 11:7)
[10] Feng Tianwei 3:1 Kim Jinju, PRK (4:11, 11:3, 11:7, 11:6)
Ayhika Mukherjee 3:2 Chen Szu-Yu [15] (6:11, 11:7, 9:11, 11:7, 11:9)
Lee Ho Ching 3:0 Lin Ye, SGP (11:6, 11:9, 11:7)
Saki Shibata 3:1 Cheng Hsien-Tzu (8:11, 11:7, 11:3, 11:9)


Round of 32 (selected results):

[1] Chen Meng 3:0 Zhu Chengzhu (11:6, 11:8, 11:9)
[2] Ding Ning 3:2 Cha Hyo Sim (7:11, 5:11, 11:4, 12:10, 11:7)
[3] Wang Manyu 3:1 Yu Mengyu (9:11, 11:3, 11:9, 11:6)
[4] Liu Shiwen 3:1 Saki Shibata (11:6, 8:11, 11:5, 12:10)
[5] Sun Yingsha 3:0 Lee Eunhye (11:9, 11:8, 11:9)
[6] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Manika Batra (11:9, 11:8, 11:4)
[7] Miu Hirano 3:2 Liu Hsing-Yin (11:8, 11:6, 6:11, 6:11, 11:1)
Shin Yubin 3:2 Cheng I-Ching [8] (11:2, 12:10, 9:11, 7:11, 11:8)
[10] Feng Tianwei 3:1 Archana Girish Kamath (11:9, 11:9, 9:11, 11:4)
Lee Ho Ching 3:1 Suh Hyowon [11] (3:11, 12:10, 14:12, 11:8)
[13] Hitomi Sato 3:0 Madhurika Patkar (11:6, 11:9, 11:4)
[14] Jeon Jihee 3:1 Sutirtha Mukherjee (14:12, 12:10, 9:11, 11:5)


Round of 16:

[1] Chen Meng 3:0 Miyu Kato [16] (11:3, 11:7, 11:5)
[10] Feng Tianwei 3:0 Shin Yubin (11:9, 11:6, 11:8)

[6] Kasumi Ishikawa 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (9:11, 11:9, 11:5, 16:14)
[4] Liu Shiwen 3:1 Kim Song I [12] (11:9, 11:13, 11:4, 11:7)

[3] Wang Manyu 3:0 Jeon Jihee [14] (11:4, 11:6, 11:8)
[5] Sun Yingsha 3:0 Hitomi Sato [13] (11:5, 11:5, 11:3)

[7] Miu Hirano 3:1 Doo Hoi Kem [9] (11:8, 10:12, 11:6, 11:7)
[2] Ding Ning 3:1 Ayhika Mukherjee (11:5, 11:13, 11:4, 11:9)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Chen Meng 3:0 Feng Tianwei [10] (11:6, 11:7, 11:8)
[4] Liu Shiwen 3:0 Kasumi Ishikawa [6] (11:7, 11:8, 11:4)

[5] Sun Yingsha 3:0 Wang Manyu [3] (11:9, 11:7, 13:11)
[2] Ding Ning 3:0 Miu Hirano [7] (11:8, 13:11, 11:4)


Semi-finals:

[4] Liu Shiwen 3:1 Chen Meng [1] (11:9, 12:14, 11:2, 11:4)
[5] Sun Yingsha 3:1 Ding Ning [2] (11:3, 11:1, 7:11, 11:9)


Final:

[5] Sun Yingsha 3:0 Liu Shiwen [4] (14:12, 11:8, 13:11)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
09-22-2019, 08:17 PM
Men's Doubles

Round of 32 (selected results):

Ri Jong Sik/Ham Yu Song, PRK 3:1 Jeoung Youngsik/Lee Sangsu [3] (12:10, 10:12, 11:6, 11:9)


Round of 16 (selected results):

Lam Siu Hang/Ng Pak Nam, HKG 3:2 Yukiya Uda/Kazuhiro Yoshimura [7] (7:11, 11:4, 14:12, 8:11, 12:10)
Maharu Yoshimura/Shunsuke Togami 3:0 Nima Alamian/Noshad Alamiyan [8] (11:4, 14:12, 11:7)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Fan Zhendong/Xu Xin 3:0 Jang Woojin/Cho Daeseong [5] (11:4, 11:7, 11:8)
Maharu Yoshimura/Shunsuke Togami 3:1 Wong Chun Ting/Ho Kwan Kit [4] (13:15, 11:9, 12:10, 11:7)

Lam Siu Hang/Ng Pak Nam, HKG 3:1 Ri Jong Sik/Ham Yu Song, PRK (6:11, 11:6, 11:8, 11:5)
[2] Liang Jingkun/Lin Gaoyuan 3:2 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran/Achanta Sharath Kamal [6] (11:6, 10:12, 11:7, 8:11, 11:7)


Semi-finals:

[1] Fan Zhendong/Xu Xin 3:2 Maharu Yoshimura/Shunsuke Togami (4:11, 10:12, 11:6, 11:6, 11:5)
[2] Liang Jingkun/Lin Gaoyuan 3:2 Lam Siu Hang/Ng Pak Nam, HKG (11:5, 11:8, 9:11, 8:11, 11:4)


Final:

[2] Liang Jingkun/Lin Gaoyuan 3:1 Fan Zhendong/Xu Xin [1] (6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:7)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
09-22-2019, 08:22 PM
Women's Doubles

Round of 16 (selected results):

Minnie Soo Wai Yam/Zhu Chengzhu 3:0 Yu Mengyu/Lin Ye [8] (11:5, 13:11, 11:7)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Chen Meng/Wang Manyu 3:0 Yang Haeun/Jeon Jihee [7] (11:3, 11:4, 11:9)
[3] Miu Hirano/Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Minnie Soo Wai Yam/Zhu Chengzhu (11:2, 14:12, 13:11)

[5] Saki Shibata/Hitomi Sato 3:1 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4] (11:8, 11:9, 6:11, 12:10)
[2] Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling 3:1 Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng Hsien-Tzu [6] (11:4, 11:8, 8:11, 11:7)


Semi-finals:

[1] Chen Meng/Wang Manyu 3:1 Miu Hirano/Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (6:11, 11:7, 11:7, 11:5)
[2] Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling 3:0 Saki Shibata/Hitomi Sato [5] (11:6, 11:7, 11:2)


Final:

[2] Ding Ning/Zhu Yuling 3:0 Chen Meng/Wang Manyu [1] (11:9, 11:4, 11:5)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
09-22-2019, 08:27 PM
Mixed Doubles

Round of 16 (selected results):

Cho Daeseong/Shin Yubin 3:0 Chen Chien-An/Chen Szu-Yu [5] (11:7, 11:7, 11:6)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen 3:0 Ho Kwan Kit/Lee Ho Ching [8] (11:8, 11:3, 11:5)
[4] Lee Sangsu/Jeon Jihee 3:0 Shunsuke Togami/Saki Shibata [7] (11:3, 11:2, 12:10)

[3] Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem 3:1 Yukiya Uda/Miyu Kato [6] (11:7, 11:6, 2:11, 11:6)
[2] Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha 3:1 Cho Daeseong/Shin Yubin (11:5, 4:11, 11:4, 11:9)


Semi-finals:

[1] Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen 3:2 Lee Sangsu/Jeon Jihee [4] (4:11, 7:11, 12:10, 11:6, 11:6)
[2] Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha 3:1 Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem [3] (11:7, 11:6, 11:13, 13:11)


Final:

[1] Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen 3:1 Wang Chuqin/Sun Yingsha [2] (11:7, 7:11, 11:7, 11:7)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5068/2019-ittf-attu-asian-table-tennis-championships/

drunix80
09-23-2019, 01:01 AM
FZD looks increasingly ordinary when playing against top quality opponents. No special trick up his sleeve to get out of tough situation. Same game play for all seasons. Even his normal power game is not effective because he misses so many of his bread and butter shots. Will he go Zhu Yuling way ? Time will tell...

Janard
09-23-2019, 02:18 AM
You're telling me WMY/LGY is worse than ZYL/LJK?

I can't say with surety since I'm not on the team but considering LGY was sidelined for the semis and finals, it seems he isn't regarded as highly as the others. Also if you remember, he was omitted from Korean Open for absolutely no reason and at a time whereby he was only 5 points apart from FZD (then ranked number 1) after having won the Hungarian and Hong Kong Opens so you really can't help but think there is something else at play (e.g. favouritism). As for WMY, she didn't win any individual event (Singles, Doubles) except for Team so being sidelined is unsurprising, particularly since SYS is taking over her spot as the seemingly invincible/unbeatable newbie recently just as WMY had in (the first half of) 2018. Just my two-cents.

zeio
09-23-2019, 06:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imow0GjLDi4

zeio
09-23-2019, 08:26 AM
I can't say with surety since I'm not on the team but considering LGY was sidelined for the semis and finals, it seems he isn't regarded as highly as the others. Also if you remember, he was omitted from Korean Open for absolutely no reason and at a time whereby he was only 5 points apart from FZD (then ranked number 1) after having won the Hungarian and Hong Kong Opens so you really can't help but think there is something else at play (e.g. favouritism). As for WMY, she didn't win any individual event (Singles, Doubles) except for Team so being sidelined is unsurprising, particularly since SYS is taking over her spot as the seemingly invincible/unbeatable newbie recently just as WMY had in (the first half of) 2018. Just my two-cents.

I personally don't read too much into it. Check out the group photos from WTTC 2019, taken from the CTTA official site.

Before
http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2019/0409/230761.html
http://xhimg.sports.cn/Image/allimg/190410/6-1Z410101540942.jpg
http://xhimg.sports.cn/Image/allimg/190410/6-1Z410101551442.jpg

After
http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2019/0429/232089.html
http://xhimg.sports.cn/Image/allimg/190429/6-1Z42912592R22.jpg

Then, the CTTA has just released the revised lineups for the Swedish and German Opens. More like the pecking order that the public would expect, but still not necessarily representing the Olympic selections.

http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2019/0923/291002.html

中国乒协关于对近期赛事参赛名单进行动态调整的公告
2019-09-23 14:15中国乒乓球协会

  鉴于今年9-12月国际乒联世界巡回赛、亚洲锦标赛和世界杯等赛事安排密集,结合国家队奥运备战实际情况并针对运动员防伤防病等综合因素的考虑,经国家队教练组商议后,决定对近期国家队参赛人员名单进行动态调整,调整后的参赛名单如下:

  瑞典站参赛名单:

  男单14人:许昕、樊振东、林高远、梁靖崑、王楚钦、方博、闫安、孙闻、于子洋、周启豪、刘丁硕、赵子豪、张煜东、徐海东

  女单13人:丁宁、刘诗雯、陈梦、王曼昱、朱雨玲、孙颖莎、王艺迪、陈幸同、顾玉婷、张瑞、刘斐、钱天一、刘炜珊

  男双2对:许昕/樊振东,林高远/梁靖崑

  女双2对:丁宁/陈梦,王曼昱/孙颖莎

  混双2对:许昕/刘诗雯,林高远/王曼昱

  德国站参赛名单:

  男单14人:许昕、樊振东、林高远、梁靖崑、王楚钦、方博、闫安、孙闻、于子洋、周启豪、刘丁硕、赵子豪、张煜东、徐海东(其中闫安、张煜东、徐海东3人未接受报名,在候补人员名单)

  女单10人:陈梦、王曼昱、孙颖莎、王艺迪、陈幸同、顾玉婷、张瑞、刘斐、钱天一、刘炜珊

  男双2对:樊振东/林高远,许昕/梁靖崑

  女双2对:陈梦/顾玉婷,王曼昱/孙颖莎

  混双2对:许昕/孙颖莎,王楚钦/王曼昱

  女子世界杯参赛名单:

  刘诗雯、朱雨玲

  附件:2019年9-12月主要赛事时间安排

  中国乒乓球协会

  2019年9月23日

zeio
09-23-2019, 11:59 AM
http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-09-18/doc-iicezueu6740682.shtml

  对比起一年后的奥运会,马琳说:“这个比赛只是体力累,奥运会是压力大,脑子累,精力累,奥运会的赛程可能不会这么紧张,现在说奥运会还远一些,我觉得从现在开始,对于混双选手都是一个不断摸索和磨合的过程,虽然混双他们拿了世界冠军,但是他们混双的对手毕竟不是单打,相对陌生一些,我觉得慢慢会越来越好。”
Compared with the Olympic Games a year later, Ma Lin said: "This tournament is just physically exhausting. The Olympics is stressful, tiring for the brain, and tiring for the mind. The Olympic schedule may not be so tight. It's still a bit early to speak about the Olympics now. I feel from now on, it is a process of continuous exploration and break-in for the XD players, although they won the WTTC in XD, their XD opponents are not the singles after all, whom are relatively unfamiliar, I feel it will get better and better."

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2019/09/006115.html

また張本は、まだ1度も勝ったことのない許キンに対し、「出足はいい入りができて1ゲーム目を取れたんですけど、そこから相手のサーブがなかなか取れず、4ゲーム目の最後になって、やっとチキータが入るようになりました」とレシーブが思うようにいかなかったことを明かした。特に流れを持って行かれた第2ゲーム、7オールから5連続ポイントされた場面についてこう振り返る。

「その前の6オールで相手がサーブをバック前に出してきて、それは自分が得意のボールだったので(ポイントできた)。次はフォア前に来るとわかっていたけど回転が強くて、(左利きの)相手のバック側にチキータしたボールも自分のフォア側に返って来るのがわかっていたのに取れなかった。1球の質のレベルが違いました」

許キンは現在29歳。16歳の張本とは一回り以上、年が離れているが、たとえベテランと呼ばれるようになっても「以前ほど動けない中で一撃で決めて来る」と張本は言う。許キンの一撃といえば粘り強いラリーの中で繰り出す強烈なペンドライブ型のフォアハンドだ。「大事なところで絶対にフォアハンドを使ってくる。それがわかっていても取れないほどの威力」と張本。さらに許キンのサーブに関しても、「軌道が本当に低くて短いので、来る場所がわかっているのに手が出ない状況でした」と説明している。

まさに衰え知らずの許キン。彼を打ち砕く手立てを張本はどう考えているのだろう?

「1ゲーム目を取るのは必ずですけど、2ゲーム目の出だしから慣れられてしまうので、1ゲーム目を取って2ゲーム目も押し切って、相手を緊張させることが大事。ゲームカウント1-1に並ばれると相手も開き直ってくるので、大量リードしないと難しいと思います」

張本は19日から男子シングルスに臨む。2回戦からの登場となり、ベスト8までは中国人選手とあたらない組み合わせだ。

「ベスト8までは絶対に負けない。順調に行けば梁靖崑選手とメダル決定戦であたる可能性があるので、そこを突破して、(決勝で)許キン選手にリベンジしたい気持ちはあります」と自身初の選手権大会メダル獲得に意欲を燃やした。

http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-09-19/doc-iicezueu6776648.shtml

  张本智和此前一次都没赢过许昕,他说:“虽然一开始还不错,拿到了第一局,但是此后就再也接不好对手的发球了。第四局好不容易才反手能适应打回来。”但是接发球却还是不能像自己想的那样有效果。

  特别是第二局,出现了7平被连续拿5分的场面,张本智和说:“6平的时候,我知道对手的发球会打反手,这是我比较舒服的位置,下一个球他就会回正手,只是回来的球旋转太厉害,对手是左手反手弹这一下肯定是我的正手,但是我就是事先能读解也没法打回去,因为球的质量水平太不一样了。”

  许昕现在29岁,张本是16岁,作为老将,张本说:“他不像以前那样跑动了,而是一击就决定比分。”确实许昕在拉力中这种强烈的正手一击能力,是作为直拍选手的强项。张本说:“关键时刻,他绝对用正手,但是就是知道他会用,也没有办法抵挡他的威力。”

  对于许昕的发球,张本智和说:“球的路线真的又低又平,就是知道来的位置,也很难对应。”

  面对许昕,张本也在考虑如何战胜他的方法。张本说:“第一局能拿一定要先拿,第二局被对手适应了后,也要压上去打,让对手紧张起来,如果比分变成1比1的话,对手就会觉得自己有了对应措施,所以不大比分领先的话,很难赢。”

  19日开始进入男子单打比赛,张本会从第二轮开始登场,直到8强前都不会碰到中国选手。

  张本智和说:“到八强我肯定不会输,进8强后,会和梁靖崑打,决定是否能够获得奖牌。如果突破了的话,希望再次挑战一下许昕。”

In Harimoto's interview with TV Tokyo after the team final, he said that despite taking the G1, he couldn't receive XX's serve well afterward. His chiquita got around it in the 4th game, but it still didn't go as expected.
G2 in particular, where he lost the next 5 after 7:7[7:6]. Before 6:6, XX would serve to his BH, where he was good at returning. He knew the next one would go for his FH, yet the spin was so strong. He knew XX's chiquita would come back to his FH, but he just couldn't return it due to the difference in quality.

Harimoto added that XX doesn't run like he used to now, and instead goes for winners. He will definitely use his FH when necessary, given its threat even if you could see it coming. On XX's serve, he said the trajectory was so low and short, that he couldn't get around it even if he knew where it would land ahead of time.

On how to beat XX, he said, taking G1 is a must, and even if he adapts in G2, press on hard. If the game count becomes 1-1, he'd find a way back in. It's difficult unless you have a big lead.

"I will not lose before QF. Will meet LJK in SF if all goes well. I want to breakthrough and settle the score with XX in the final."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFcm7qJzvD4

Janard
09-23-2019, 02:34 PM
I personally don't read too much into it. Check out the group photos from WTTC 2019, taken from the CTTA official site.

Then, the CTTA has just released the revised lineups for the Swedish and German Opens. More like the pecking order that the public would expect, but still not necessarily representing the Olympic selections.

http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2019/0923/291002.html

True, they can say something but also nothing. Interestingly though, assuming the following article from Sohu is reliable:


今天中国乒协宣布调整10月国乒参赛名单,主要就是丁宁、刘诗雯、朱雨玲不参加德国公开赛。中国女乒主教练李隼在接受《乒乓世界》采访时说:“今年女队接下来的重点比赛是女子世界杯、世界杯团体赛和年终总决赛,尤其世界杯团体赛,更是重中之重。女子世界杯单打和世界杯团体都很重要。尤其是世界杯团体,在东京,又是奥运赛制,第一次将双打作为团体赛第一场。丁宁、刘诗雯、朱雨玲不参加德国公开赛,利用这段时间,除了身体的休整,也会根据世界杯团体赛比赛任务的不同,进行技术上的增补。”

李隼的这一席话说得很明确了,11月6日-11月10日在东京代代木综合竞技馆举行的乒乓球团体世界杯,中国女乒的参赛阵容就是丁宁、刘诗雯、朱雨玲,而且很有可能是刚获得亚锦赛女双冠军的丁宁和朱雨玲配合打女双。

IMO then, the four possible line-ups are:

1) LSW-CM-SYS: This has been tested during ATTC2019 as we all know. Possibly the most logical in terms of overall ability and for the future (with some luck CM might still go to Paris 2024 and SYS perhaps reaching as far as 2028). Main downside is there wasn't any doubles to test the waters and LSW has never partnered SYS (as far as I know), CM/SYS's doubles hasn't achieved much while pairing LSW and CM (twice and won on both occasions) means making SYS the lead Singles (not sure if CNT will risk letting a young player take the very decisive matches 2 and 4).

2) DN-LSW-ZYL: This trio is what the above article was alluding to, with DN/ZYL playing doubles and LSW as lead Singles for Team World Cup. This is the most tried-and-tested arrangement after Rio 2016 and before all three experienced meteoric falls in their respective careers, with LSW being the only one who has bounced back.

3) DN-LSW-CM: A parallel version of (2) except DN to pair CM for doubles (intended partnership for both Swedish and German Opens) and LSW as lead Singles. Even with DN pulling out of GO, CM is still paired with a leftie.

4) DN-LSW-SYS: This completely cuts off the 'mid-gen ladies, leaving SYS the only one with Olympics experience (whatever that means) by 2024 and also pushing her to be lead Singles since the DN/LSW doubles is an established one.

Not sure, just rambling.

lVegita
09-23-2019, 02:40 PM
Random noob question:

Why did it take so long for XX to master the RPB having Wang Hao himself available in the coach's team? Didn't they let WH available enough for Xu Xin?

NextLevel
09-23-2019, 02:47 PM
Random noob question:

Why did it take so long for XX to master the RPB having Wang Hao himself available in the coach's team? Didn't they let WH available enough for Xu Xin?

Coaching is not the Same thing as playing. Wang Hao and Xu Xin are very different players. While this is also specularion, the fact that Chen Qi is now Xu Xin's coach and is getting through to him technically shows that we sometimes teach best what we don't/didn't really do.

lVegita
09-23-2019, 04:17 PM
Yes, sure, but I was thinking more about the technique itself. Xu Xin could have his own coach, but couldn’t Wan Hao be useful assisting with the RPB alone?

drunix80
09-23-2019, 06:01 PM
Yes, sure, but I was thinking more about the technique itself. Xu Xin could have his own coach, but couldn’t Wan Hao be useful assisting with the RPB alone?

I had good vibes about WH as a coach but after he pretty much destroyed FZD and Xu Fei, it is safe to say that a great player is not necessarily great coach material.

Shine
09-23-2019, 06:43 PM
I had good vibes about WH as a coach but after he pretty much destroyed FZD and Xu Fei, it is safe to say that a great player is not necessarily great coach material. Had good vibes about him and I still think he's okay, I think we should cut him some slack, When FZD was playing very well during 2017 and Majority of 2018 he was FZD's coach, I just think it's just the path that perhaps FZD chose in terms of style with the gap at the top being very close , his style can be very vulnerable, And since late 2017 that's he's steadily become more forehand oriented his backhand has fluctuated a lot, it seems like his backhand thrives on his confidence and the flow of the match, the tighter it gets in the match the worse it becomes nowadays, ML has this issue with his backhand too, Fan tactical acumen and adapting on the fly is very poor too, Since he's a bit more forehand dominant now one would think he'll work more on turning the corner and 3rd balls like XX to avoid uncertain backhand battles against backhand dominant top players, but he'll keep to being subjugated and error prone in backhand rallies and trying to rally and often losing his balance or getting out of position that top players outrally him frequently now, His backhand looks super impressive and his looping is amazing in training videos but matchday comes and he looks lost, Also His Timing is often off, Where Wang Hao comes in is especially about Xue Fei, I know not everybody is destined to be Olympic and World Champion but with Xue Fei as WH's protege, he's basically reached nowhere, Same as some other talents in the team that may not necessarily be the best players in the world but can and should definitely play better, I'm not faulting the system, but I feel personal and thorough man to man coaching will bring out a lot more in them

will_999
09-23-2019, 11:38 PM
Found this gem on Sohu (Google translate)
" On the day, Xu Wei, (Xu Xin) who is participating in the Asian Championships, announced that his wife Yao Yan had succeeded in producing a child and upgraded to be a dad. "

http://www.sohu.com/a/342637443_493721?scm=1002.44003c.fe0165017c.PC_ARTICLE_REC&spm=smpc.content.fd-d.4.1569266222391EFPTJOM&_f=index_pagerecom_4

drunix80
09-23-2019, 11:58 PM
Had good vibes about him and I still think he's okay, I think we should cut him some slack, When FZD was playing very well during 2017 and Majority of 2018 he was FZD's coach, I just think it's just the path that perhaps FZD chose in terms of style with the gap at the top being very close , his style can be very vulnerable, And since late 2017 that's he's steadily become more forehand oriented his backhand has fluctuated a lot, it seems like his backhand thrives on his confidence and the flow of the match, the tighter it gets in the match the worse it becomes nowadays, ML has this issue with his backhand too, Fan tactical acumen and adapting on the fly is very poor too, Since he's a bit more forehand dominant now one would think he'll work more on turning the corner and 3rd balls like XX to avoid uncertain backhand battles against backhand dominant top players, but he'll keep to being subjugated and error prone in backhand rallies and trying to rally and often losing his balance or getting out of position that top players outrally him frequently now, His backhand looks super impressive and his looping is amazing in training videos but matchday comes and he looks lost, Also His Timing is often off, Where Wang Hao comes in is especially about Xue Fei, I know not everybody is destined to be Olympic and World Champion but with Xue Fei as WH's protege, he's basically reached nowhere, Same as some other talents in the team that may not necessarily be the best players in the world but can and should definitely play better, I'm not faulting the system, but I feel personal and thorough man to man coaching will bring out a lot more in them

I also heard in some forum that Chinese coaches are attributing FZD's form on his video gaming addiction. Not sure how true though.

Ilia Minkin
09-24-2019, 01:30 AM
Should FZD retire?

Brs
09-24-2019, 02:20 AM
Yes he should. And open a chain of restaurants called Little Fatty's. He'd make bank.

Ilia Minkin
09-24-2019, 02:52 AM
Yes he should. And open a chain of restaurants called Little Fatty's. He'd make bank.

Loool. He needs the big fatty as well as a business partner.

Seriously speaking, FZD used to overpower his opponents with sheer brute force. It only works if you are in a top physical shape, and it will dip eventually.

Hysteresis
09-24-2019, 07:25 AM
Loool. He needs the big fatty as well as a business partner.

Seriously speaking, FZD used to overpower his opponents with sheer brute force. It only works if you are in a top physical shape, and it will dip eventually.

To be fair, he's been a fixture at the top so long now, it's easy to forget he's only 22, making him younger than even LGY. Whatever is wrong is unlikely to be physical (unless he's actually carrying an injury).

That said, something does seem to be mentally/psychologically wrong. He doesn't look as sharp as he used to (especially his movement and anticipation), and generally does not seem as motivated. His play has also become incredibly passive, the amount he plays short touches now is just nothing short of excessive.

zeio
09-24-2019, 08:03 AM
Random noob question:

Why did it take so long for XX to master the RPB having Wang Hao himself available in the coach's team? Didn't they let WH available enough for Xu Xin?

This one is complicated. To answer that would require going back more than a decade ago. Yet, I don't feel like writing so much. Maybe later when I feel like it. For the time being, check the really old videos of ML and XX, say those from mid to late 2000. Hopefully you'll notice something.

lVegita
09-24-2019, 01:31 PM
This one is complicated. To answer that would require going back more than a decade ago. Yet, I don't feel like writing so much. Maybe later when I feel like it. For the time being, check the really old videos of ML and XX, say those from mid to late 2000. Hopefully you'll notice something.
I will check it when I have the time. Meanwhile, I’m supposing you are talking about them being able to forehand loop everything from any position in a way that they didn’t even need to bother about backhand at the time, maybe?

Sali
09-24-2019, 01:42 PM
I will check it when I have the time. Meanwhile, I’m supposing you are talking about them being able to forehand loop everything from any position in a way that they didn’t even need to bother about backhand at the time, maybe?

I think it is not. The game has changed a lot, players tries to counter/block the ball right after bounce so you do not have much time for running whole court with your FH (looked for the videos of Ma Lin). XX got tricked many times last years by players like Koki Niwa. LGL noticed few years ago that XX game is bit outdated.
So it is not only you train a lot with same tactics but you must adapt to modern players. XX improved his BH and started using it much more then before which let him take better position in attack and gives more variation.

NextLevel
09-24-2019, 01:53 PM
The other thing to realize is that backhand technique has changed. Xu Xin is not playing the same backhand Wang Hao did. Wang Hao like I said was a very different player.

zeio
09-24-2019, 05:23 PM
I will check it when I have the time. Meanwhile, I’m supposing you are talking about them being able to forehand loop everything from any position in a way that they didn’t even need to bother about backhand at the time, maybe?

There's much more to it but I'll just keep it short. Before Rio 2016, the CNT held a 50-day closed training camp in Xiamen. In an exclusive interview with Sina Sports, XX shed some light on his BH development. I'll translate just the parts underlined.

http://dailynews.sina.com/bg/news/spt/spt/sinacn/20160720/10237430301.html

  新浪體育:這次在廈門的50天封閉集訓,最開心的、自己覺得有進步的是什麼地方?

  許昕:其實就是反手。教練問我這次封閉訓練最大的感觸在哪?我说手指頭有的地方原來發不上力,現在能發上力了。

  新浪體育:能展開说一下這個新技術嗎?

  許昕:其實也不是新技術,之前也在摸索,打了20年球終於知道哪個手指發力了。(笑)今天早上還跟吳(敬平)指導说,像王皓這種基礎,可能從小就能知道哪些手指發力對他的反手有幫助,自己也試圖去改正,改變自己的握拍和發力的感覺,但一直找不到一個方向,一直適應不了。

  這次突然靈光一現,覺得在訓練中感覺不錯,跟教練想的完全是吻合的。因為之前教練去说自己去做的時候,反差比較大。一直在改,也需要有一個適應的過程。今早跟教練说直拍橫打這個反手發力的感覺,有可能馬琳打了這麼多年退役以后都沒有感受到,因為這個還是比較難。我有幸在退役之前,找到了這個感覺。因為相對我的這個打法更接近馬琳一些,正手比較多,反手算是半路出家,一直想去彌補自己的缺點,而不是想去在反手上形成自己的體系或者说是優勢,一直處於半摸索半試探的這種感覺。

  新浪體育:你所说的“靈光一現”是什麼時候的事情?

  許昕:就是去日本公開賽之前三四天,突然在練球的時候感覺發力挺順。自己一開始感覺不是手指發力,只是發力舒服了一些能發上力了,但具體的沒找到感覺。第二天起來再練的時候還是這種感覺,慢慢就有了一些感觸,然后自己每天在練,把肌肉的記憶給練紮實了,在比賽中更能正常地運用出來。

  新浪體育:這兩點到底有什麼區別,發力和不發力的難點在哪裏?

  許昕:因為直拍的漏洞相對來说會多一些,一直在改規則對直拍越來越不利了。直拍的反手是一個致命的弱點,一旦對手抓不住直拍選手的弱點時,感覺全台都是他的優勢,但是一旦被抓住這個缺點的話,整場比賽活活用一個套路、一個技戰術就可以打死。
Xu Xin: Actually, it is not a new technique. I've been exploring it. After playing for 20 years, I finally know which finger to use. (LOL) I told Wu Jingping this morning that, for someone like Wang Hao, perhaps he's known from a young age which fingers are helpful to his BH. I'm also trying to correct, to change my grip and the sense of exertion, but has not been able to find a direction, and has not been able to adapt.

This time I had a light bulb moment. I felt good in training, exactly how the coach wanted. Since the gap between theory and practice is relatively large, I have been working on it and it takes time. I told the coach this morning that perhaps Ma Lin never got the sense of exertion for the RPB right even after retiring for so many years, because it is rather hard to grasp. I have the privilege of finding this feeling before I retire. Because my style is closer to that of Ma Lin, playing FH more, and the BH is only halfway decent. I've always wanted to make up for my shortcoming, instead of turning it into a primary part of my game or an advantage, and so I've had this feeling of half-exploring and half-probing.
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Sina Sports: What's the difference? What's so difficult about exerting force and not?

XX: Because the loopholes are relatively greater for penholders, and the ever-changing rules make it more and more unfavorable for this grip. The BH of penholders is a fatal weakness. Whenever the opponent can't take advantage of this weakness, it feels as if the entire table is in your favor. But as soon as your weakness is exploited, it takes only 1 setplay or 1 tactic to kill you throughout the entire match.

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As many witnessed in the team final of Rio 2016, Mizutani did exactly what XX described in the last passage, where his BH was totally shut out. Same thing in the match against Gauzy at the WTTC 2019. One thing in common here is the majors where everyone is in beast mode. Given all the above, I'm still not sold on what happened at this ATTC.

NextLevel
09-24-2019, 05:54 PM
There's much more to it but I'll just keep it short. Before Rio 2016, the CNT held a 50-day closed training camp in Xiamen. In an exclusive interview with Sina Sports, XX shed some light on his BH development. I'll translate just the parts underlined.

http://dailynews.sina.com/bg/news/spt/spt/sinacn/20160720/10237430301.html

Xu Xin: Actually, it is not a new technique. I've been exploring it. After playing for 20 years, I finally know which finger to use. (LOL) I told Wu Jingping this morning that, for someone like Wang Hao, perhaps he's known from a young age which fingers are helpful to his BH. I'm also trying to correct, to change my grip and the sense of exertion, but has not been able to find a direction, and has not been able to adapt.

This time I had a light bulb moment. I felt good in training, exactly how the coach wanted. Since the gap between theory and practice is relatively large, I have been working on it and it takes time. I told the coach this morning that perhaps Ma Lin never got the sense of exertion for the RPB right even after retiring for so many years, because it is rather hard to grasp. I have the privilege of finding this feeling before I retire. Because my style is closer to that of Ma Lin, playing FH more, and the BH is only halfway decent. I've always wanted to make up for my shortcoming, instead of turning it into a primary part of my game or an advantage, and so I've had this feeling of half-exploring and half-probing.
...
Sina Sports: What's the difference? What's so difficult about exerting force and not?

XX: Because the loopholes are relatively greater for penholders, and the ever-changing rules make it more and more unfavorable for this grip. The BH of penholders is a fatal weakness. Whenever the opponent can't take advantage of this weakness, it feels as if the entire table is in your favor. But as soon as your weakness is exploited, it takes only 1 setplay or 1 tactic to kill you throughout the entire match.

------------------------------------I'm a line------------------------------------

As many witnessed in the team final of Rio 2016, Mizutani did exactly what XX described in the last passage, where his BH was totally shut out. Same thing in the match against Gauzy at the WTTC 2019. One thing in common here is the majors where everyone is in beast mode. Given all the above, I'm still not sold on what happened at this ATTC.

I think the interview is outdated. What Xu Xin is doing with his backhand now shows he finally understands what this plastic ball is about. The interview was more relevant for when the Chiquita still had some single shot effectiveness for point scoring with the crappy DHS balls and low bounce.

zeio
09-25-2019, 06:08 AM
The ball is out of the picture here.

We're talking about an age-old tactic that has stood the test of time. It never gets old. "調正壓反" is self-evident, literally "draw to FH and press on BH" and vice versa.

That's what Mizutani used in Rio 2016. Same for Niwa in ATTC 2017, as pointed out by none other than himself.

http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2017-04-15/doc-ifyeimqy1765601.shtml

  来到混合采访区,丹羽孝希被中国媒体团团围住,在中国籍教练王锐的帮忙下,他简单道出获胜的关键所在:“许昕作为直板选手反手是弱点。我先搏到对方的正手后,再压制他的反手,这个战术贯彻地很充分;接发球主要以拧起来为主,虽然对方会发我的反手长球,但我没有太受长球的干扰,还是主动地去拧台内球。只要我抓住主动权,就会有机会赢得比赛。”
"As a penholder, XX's BH is a weakpoint. First I took a chance on his FH, and then put pressure on his BH. I carried this tactic out to a T. I used mainly chiquita for receiving. Though he served long to my BH, it didn't affect me too much. I still chiquita the short serve actively. As long as I took the initiative, there would be a chance to win the match."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0SXTpmTtE

Below's an excerpt taken from the 2019/06 issue of Table Tennis World, where Li Xiaodong and Liu Wei summed up the match b/w XX and Gauzy. Translating only the part underlined.

http://dailynews.sina.com/bg/sports/sptothers/sinacn/2019-05-22/doc-ifziqnqr0348845.shtml

  在歐洲運動員中,西蒙是一名兼具爆發力和手感的年輕選手,近兩年的表現比較突出。許昕之前與西蒙有過交手,知道對方的衝擊力很強,所以剛一開局就採取了站在球檯中間位發球的戰術,試圖用兩面上手搶攻佔得先機。西蒙對這種變化顯然有所準備,接發球時表現得心很定,而且採取的對策也非常清晰:用輕力量的球控制許昕的反手位,用暴衝發力攻擊許昕的正手位,這套戰術在對陣左手運動員時是非常實用的。

  許昕在首局對對方的擊球質量預估不足,正手銜接的失誤率也比較高,因此並沒有贏得主動。從第二局開始,他做了兩點調整,第一是加強正手使用率,而且緊盯對方的反手位連續施壓;第二是加強擊球的節奏變化,忽長忽短,讓西蒙對不上點兒。西蒙在被許昕調動時,站位不像首局那麼從容,回球的失誤也多了起來。

  儘管被許昕連扳兩局,但西蒙打得並不下風,尤其在第三局尾局落後時表現得非常頑強,進而堅定了他的信心。第四局,西蒙在堅持既定戰術的前提下,又增加了發球偷襲和臺內控制的變化,許昕在這局主動迎前擊球的意識不夠強烈,以至連續拉丟了幾個關鍵的機會球,被對手追平比分。

  第五局是本場比賽的轉折點,許昕在8:3領先的大好局勢下被對手逆轉。開局之後,許昕表現得很強勢,他換到側身位發球,落點直逼對方正手小三角,並有意讓對方先拉起來,然後自己再反拉得分。正手防線被穿,給西蒙造成了很大壓力,很快他就陷入了連續丟分的窘境。然而許昕在大比分領先時打得不夠緊湊,擊球節奏又慢了下來,西蒙抓住這個瞬間的時機開始反擊,特別是在追分時用了很多“花招兒”,比如反手側剌式的接發球、中遠臺低空削球等,成功干擾了許昕的銜接和心態。比分來到9平後,西蒙在發球輪大膽突變,先是果斷偷長,後又在近臺正手發力快挑,乾脆利落地拿下兩分,徹底把局勢扭轉了過來。

http://n.sinaimg.cn/sports/transform/701/w650h51/20190523/b009-hxhyiun5962575.jpg
雙方第五局得分走勢雙方第五局得分走勢

  第六局,許昕在重壓之下表現得雖然頑強,但技戰術並不主動,他來回調整發球站位,但一直沒有起到良好的效果;正手的進攻落點比較保守,反手的質量又不能形成得分。反觀西蒙,在局面佔優時,他的每一板球仍然打得非常具有針對性,而且堅決不手軟,連續給對手施壓,尤其在錯失賽點的情況下還敢果斷髮力擰拉,確實發揮得更加出色。
Xu Xin had played with Simon before. Knowing that the opponent's impact is very strong, XX started out by serving in the middle of the table, to take the initiative by looping from both sides. Simon was apparently prepared for this change. He displayed great confidence in receiving the serve, and the countermeasures taken were abundantly clear: he used soft shots to pin down XX’s BH and power loops to attack XX’s FH. This tactic is very practical when playing against left-handed players.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytrhXfCgfSk