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DiJaY
08-24-2019, 09:26 AM
I am planning on buying a custom made racket after playing with a pre made racket for more than a year.
My teammates say I play very good and I should get na upgrade.
I play at an intermediate level
pls tell me if this combenation is good or not

BLADE : DHS HURRICANE 301

FOREHAND RUBBER : TIBHAR EVOLUTION MX-P 2.1 RED

BACKHAND RUBBER : TIBHAR AURUS SOFT 2.0 BLACK


PLEASE HELP ME SO THAT I CAN BUY A RACKET QUICKLY AND IMPROVE IN TABLE TENNIS

THANKS
DiJaY

anjoooo
08-24-2019, 10:31 AM
I have tried this blade. I thought it was a bit slow at first but I learnt that you really need to swing fast to get enough brushing effect to engage the carbon in the blade.

I ended up discarding it but many people like this blade as it has good touch but good speed when you need it to finish points.

DiJaY
08-24-2019, 10:50 AM
Are the rubber choices good if yes then suggest me a good blade under 60$ Because that’s my budget
THANKA AGAIN

yogi_bear
08-24-2019, 10:52 AM
That is fine. You won't feel a loss of control.

DiJaY
08-24-2019, 10:57 AM
If the blade is a bit slow I think it will balance the performance because I am also choosing a very fast evolution Mx-p rubber

anjoooo
08-24-2019, 11:06 AM
Yes. MX-P is quite fast, although I haven't used it before. I use Rasanter R47 and I think that is even a bit too fast sometimes. I think they are equivalent rubbers. For a beginner those rubbers would be way too fast. I have been playing for 4 years and had coaching for 2 years. I play multiple times a week.

anjoooo
08-24-2019, 11:07 AM
If the blade is a bit slow I think it will balance the performance because I am also choosing a very fast evolution Mx-p rubber

The blade is slow if you don't have good technique or if you hit the ball flat rather than brushing the ball. If you have good brushing technique I think the blade is quite fast.

DiJaY
08-24-2019, 11:14 AM
Thanks for your advice
i will buy this combination without any more hesitation
I am buying this racket from table tennis 11 is this a good website and is their free racket assembly good and trust worthy?

anjoooo
08-24-2019, 11:24 AM
Yes very trustworthy. I buy all my gear from them.

DiJaY
08-24-2019, 11:28 AM
Anther thing is that is a rubber cleaner essential
How does it help the racket
what will happen if I do not use a rubber cleaner
which is the good and cheap rubber cleaner listed on table tennis 11?

anjoooo
08-24-2019, 12:49 PM
My opinion is you don't really need rubber cleaner. You can just use water. I do use rubber cleaner but really only because it's convenient to carry around.

passifid
08-24-2019, 01:24 PM
Sorry did he say only playing a year. No way a alc inner with mxp will be slow for him.

kogeh
08-24-2019, 01:49 PM
Anther thing is that is a rubber cleaner essential
How does it help the racket
what will happen if I do not use a rubber cleaner
which is the good and cheap rubber cleaner listed on table tennis 11?


My opinion is you don't really need rubber cleaner. You can just use water. I do use rubber cleaner but really only because it's convenient to carry around.

Water will only remove dust particles but not oil from sweat that is on the rubber. I use water after every practice session and once a week I use rubber cleaner to remove oily spots. I got Tibhar Cleaner Grip from TT11

729B2
08-24-2019, 03:47 PM
sounds all good and water is good enough for cleaning and a good set up! iv used it before you need to get your technique right to make full use of it my friend is a penholder using it atm! enjoy the set up

Silver smasher
08-24-2019, 03:51 PM
I have tried this blade. I thought it was a bit slow at first but I learnt that you really need to swing fast to get enough brushing effect to engage the carbon in the blade.

I ended up discarding it but many people like this blade as it has good touch but good speed when you need it to finish points.

I use a H301 with Rozena on both sides. I find that I can compete with a pusher with no problems until I get bored and lose concentration. It is a very forgiving blade and rubber combination. I prefer attack and can hit really aggressive shots. Last night I hit a backhand drive off a long chop which almost brought applause from my opponent. This is a good blade for someone who likes to play touch shots near the net followed by a kill.

Wister
08-24-2019, 04:06 PM
Sorry did he say only playing a year. No way a alc inner with mxp will be slow for him.

I agree, it seems a very fast setup. Especially if you played a premade blade that are generally very slow (maybe yours was not, i don't know). But most probably you're going from one of the slower setup from one of the fastest set up

Try to get a blade that is noted All or All+ and a rubber where the hardness is less than 42°. It might even still be a bit too fast

symbat
08-24-2019, 10:05 PM
Your blade and rubber combo should be fine. I would possibly consider changing your FH rubber to Fastarc G1, but either one should work well. I have two H301's one is flexible and one is considerably stiffer. They do play differently.

As for a rubber cleaner, just get a small spray bottle and fill it up with water and a little bit dish soap. Pretty much the same thing. Read the ingredients on the specialty rubber cleaners and you will find they are the same ingredients that are used in soap. I am talking a very little amount of soap. One drop per 2 ounces or so. Plain old water works fine as well.

My buddy had TT11 assemble his setup and it was fine.

yogi_bear
08-24-2019, 11:10 PM
Maybe 2.0 for mxp

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2019, 01:23 AM
I am planning on buying a custom made racket after playing with a pre made racket for more than a year.
My teammates say I play very good and I should get na upgrade.
I play at an intermediate level
pls tell me if this combenation is good or not

BLADE : DHS HURRICANE 301

FOREHAND RUBBER : TIBHAR EVOLUTION MX-P 2.1 RED

BACKHAND RUBBER : TIBHAR AURUS SOFT 2.0 BLACK


PLEASE HELP ME SO THAT I CAN BUY A RACKET QUICKLY AND IMPROVE IN TABLE TENNIS

THANKS
DiJaY

Sorry, but the only piece of information on this thread that is worth paying attention to is this:


Sorry did he say only playing a year. No way a alc inner with mxp will be slow for him.

First off, if you are transitioning from a prebuilt racket to a real, actual Table Tennis racket and this is what you think should be your first racket, it is kind of a shame that nobody on here aside from passifid knows enough to say anything sensible on the subject.

That setup is too fast for you.

Get something more simple like

Yasaka Sweden Extra with Xiom Vega Pro rubbers.

You could also get these blades:

- Butterfly Primorac Off-
- Stiga Allround Evolution
- Donic Appelgren Allplay
- Stiga Offensive Classic

For rubbers you could also get:

- Xiom Vega Intro
- Tibhar Aurus or Aurus Sound
- Butterfly Rozena
- Butterfly Roundell

For someone playing less than a few years and coming from a racket that was bought with rubbers already on it, to go to something like a DHS 301 with MXP for the FH is sort of like taking someone who has been riding a motorized wheelchair and giving him a MTT Turbine Superbike Y2K.

DiJaY the speed and spin sensitivity of that setup will only hinder your progress.

Get a blade that is all wood and 5 plies in the Off- speed category.

Get a simple basic rubber that does everything well enough but that isn't too juiced up. A middle of the road rubber that you can learn and grow with. Not a rubber that is one of the fastest on the market.

laistrogian
08-25-2019, 01:32 AM
I’d recommend 5 ply wood with fastarc G1 and rakza 7 soft

G1 can be fast but feels very linear so it’s definitely easier to handle than mxp

DiJaY
08-25-2019, 06:16 AM
I really appreciate you guys' suggestions.
One of my teammates in my academy uses the mx-p on his forehand and when I played with it I felt like I was like the Olympic player because it gave me such a good grip while doing the backhand flick and opening to the backspin serves.
Playing topspin attacks was just effortless and I enjoyed it very much that's why I am planning on buying this setup actually I just ordered it last night.

i think I wrote wrong in the above messages.
I have been playing table tennis for 2 years and have been using a killerspin jet 600 racket for 1 year.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SPARING SOME TIME OF YOUR FOR ME
Thank You

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2019, 08:08 AM
Generally, when someone is beginner to intermediate level, say 1000-2000 level in USATT rating, it is quite frequent that they use a racket that is too fast with rubbers that are too spin sensitive.

That same player would develop and improve faster with a setup that is quite simple like the setups I recommended above. That player will feel they are competent with that racket that is faster with carbon and less feel. They won't know the racket is too fast for them to control. In rallying, in doing drills, they will feel competent even though the setup that is actually too fast for them.

Why it is too fast for them is actually that it does too much of the work for them. It makes it feel like they do not have to be as precise or put as much power into their offensive shots. Ultimately this makes it so the player's timing of hips, weight transfer, forearm snap and whip of wrist can be slightly off without them realizing because the racket does so much of the work for them. With a fast setup and a carbon blade, suboptimal technique tends to feel as if it is actually optimal.

So, while the player seems to play well enough with this faster setup, there is a small issue they do not realize is not improving as fast as it could making their level go up at a slightly slower rate. With the slightly slower setup with an all wood blade that forces you to feel when your contact and timing is not perfect, those issues improve faster and you tend to learn how to get more power into your shots from better technique. You end up with the same amount of power and better technique. :)

In the end, does it matter? It depends. Is your goal to have something that feels exciting and fun to play with? If it is, then it may not matter much. But if your goal was to get better faster and to end up at as high a level as possible, then learning to do more with less would be the more intelligent equipment choice.

With TT equipment, unless you are at a semi-pro or elite amateur level, in terms of equipment, most of the time, a little less, is still more.

But hopefully you enjoy the new setup you have gotten.

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2019, 08:27 AM
Water will only remove dust particles but not oil from sweat that is on the rubber. I use water after every practice session and once a week I use rubber cleaner to remove oily spots. I got Tibhar Cleaner Grip from TT11

The cleaners have chemicals in them that cause the rubber molecules to oxidize faster so your rubber will lose grip and elasticity a tiny bit faster if you use those cleaners. I think all you need is a drop of water on your hand or on a sponge or cloth.

Oils sink in to the topsheet anyway. If there were oils on the topsheet it would not stay on the surface and those cleaners would not do much to remove them.

But it does not really make much difference so you should choose as you wish. There is just no logical or sound reason to use a cleaning product on a TT rubber.

thomas.pong
08-25-2019, 01:22 PM
Sorry, but the only piece of information on this thread that is worth paying attention to is this:



First off, if you are transitioning from a prebuilt racket to a real, actual Table Tennis racket and this is what you think should be your first racket, it is kind of a shame that nobody on here aside from passifid knows enough to say anything sensible on the subject.

That setup is too fast for you.

Get something more simple like

Yasaka Sweden Extra with Xiom Vega Pro rubbers.

You could also get these blades:

- Butterfly Primorac Off-
- Stiga Allround Evolution
- Donic Appelgren Allplay
- Stiga Offensive Classic

For rubbers you could also get:

- Xiom Vega Intro
- Tibhar Aurus or Aurus Sound
- Butterfly Rozena
- Butterfly Roundell

For someone playing less than a few years and coming from a racket that was bought with rubbers already on it, to go to something like a DHS 301 with MXP for the FH is sort of like taking someone who has been riding a motorized wheelchair and giving him a MTT Turbine Superbike Y2K.

DiJaY the speed and spin sensitivity of that setup will only hinder your progress.

Get a blade that is all wood and 5 plies in the Off- speed category.

Get a simple basic rubber that does everything well enough but that isn't too juiced up. A middle of the road rubber that you can learn and grow with. Not a rubber that is one of the fastest on the market.

Reading this thread for the first time and also very surprised people thought OP's very fast setup suggestion for himself was viable.

DiJaY, Carl's suggestions are on point, pick one of these blades and rubber, same on both sides in 1.9 or 2.0mm and you'll be on the right path for years to come!

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2019, 01:24 PM
Reading this thread for the first time and also very surprised people thought OP's very fast setup suggestion for himself was viable.

DiJaY, Carl's suggestions are on point, pick one of these blades and rubber, same on both sides in 1.9 or 2.0mm and you'll be on the right path for years to come!

Unfortunately, he has already ordered. :)

thomas.pong
08-25-2019, 01:28 PM
Unfortunately, he has already ordered. :)

Ah shoot, I didn't see the 2nd page and thought your post on the 1st page was the last... He asked a question and didn't wait for weighed answers, only a few that supported his lust for speed :D

Like you said, it'll be fun at first especially in drills, then probably frustrating later in games and tourneys in the transition game, short game, serve receives, dealing with incoming spin...

I too have felt like an Olympian before, but it never lasted very long! :)

thomas.pong
08-25-2019, 01:36 PM
The cleaners have chemicals in them that cause the rubber molecules to oxidize faster so your rubber will lose grip and elasticity a tiny bit faster if you use those cleaners. I think all you need is a drop of water on your hand or on a sponge or cloth.

Oils sink in to the topsheet anyway. If there were oils on the topsheet it would not stay on the surface and those cleaners would not do much to remove them.

But it does not really make much difference so you should choose as you wish. There is just no logical or sound reason to use a cleaning product on a TT rubber.

Only logical reason to to use a cleaning product on a TT rubber is to make the manufacturers money!

I emptied out my Butterfly cleaner and put demineralized water inside instead. My rubbers last longer now than when using the cleaner.