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Dan
09-06-2019, 01:54 PM
What's up guys, today I'm joined alongside the German Table Tennis powerhouse, Dimitrij Ovtcharov! Today we are looking at his new personal blade the DONIC Ovtcharov Number 1 Senso! It was a lot of fun taking on Dima!

Enjoy the review :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rVHswHN0w

Have you tried this blade yet? Any questions let us know in the comments.

Giangt
09-06-2019, 02:31 PM
Great review! Looks like you guys had good times. :)

rogerino75
09-06-2019, 03:07 PM
Good review as always Dan. Had do turn down the sound, because my wife thought I was watching porn.

BryanY
09-06-2019, 03:09 PM
Great review. I like how he explained his past experiences with a faster blade and why he switched to this one.

I’m curious how it compares to the Harimoto Blade.

jedimasterplk
09-06-2019, 07:45 PM
All great - and all that - except for the fact that he plays with a viscaria with donic handles.

TheKhan123
09-06-2019, 08:15 PM
Seriously dude? At this moment, you really wanna critique someone for something that has literally no proof? Even if that is true, you might expect the review to be different than the reality and what both guys said is actually visible in Dima's gameplay in real life! So, maybe, you wanna consider taking another look at the review. And BTW, if you provide any evidence on your words, I'll step back!

piligrim
09-06-2019, 09:47 PM
Dan, its not quite clear what blade you was using? Did you used only Senso or both?

Creek
09-06-2019, 11:13 PM
What's up guys, today I'm joined alongside the German Table Tennis powerhouse, Dimitrij Ovtcharov! Today we are looking at his new personal blade the DONIC Ovtcharov Number 1 Senso! It was a lot of fun taking on Dima!

Enjoy the review :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rVHswHN0w

Have you tried this blade yet? Any questions let us know in the comments.

Hi Dan,
very nice video as always!
how do both blades compare to your usually used TB ALC in terms of speed, trajectory and feeling?

guni4you
09-07-2019, 02:22 AM
What rubbers were they using?

Wister
09-07-2019, 07:31 AM
Dan, its not quite clear what blade you was using? Did you used only Senso or both?

He says he uses the Senso version


It could be nice to know what was the core layer and a bit more about what is specific about this carbon. Otherwise very good review, it's nice to have a pro explains his thought process. When you see that Otcharov and Ma long find that ALC outer are too hard to control, it makes me reconsider what kind of blade I should play at my level :)

Creek
09-07-2019, 07:52 AM
Since this blade is basically the same as DHS Long 5 and also built by DHS, the core is ayous

vvk1
09-07-2019, 08:35 AM
Dima: "I told you I have no middle!" Lol

Konrad Bak
09-07-2019, 09:24 AM
Dan you made the review 6 months ago or even 8 because I saw on instagram mini cut...

piligrim
09-07-2019, 09:56 AM
He says he uses the Senso version



Yes but on video you can see he is using not senso version also. Does why I got confused ...

TheKhan123
09-07-2019, 11:58 AM
Yeah, like you, I saw it long time ago and was wondering why there's no. video on it!

matzreenzi
09-07-2019, 01:06 PM
Meanwhile behind the scene...

Dima: Please Dan, please don't ever mention what rubber i'm using in the review video...
Dan: OK.

t95mwp
09-07-2019, 03:24 PM
He is one of the biggest hypocrites as far as using manufactured sponsored equipment. Here is the last video at Czech open clearly shows he is using Butterfly Dignics 05 red on backhand. Dan should not promote dishonest athletes such Dima, money sometimes isn`t worth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ7AFKb9mG0&t=4s 2:54

BryanY
09-07-2019, 03:58 PM
He is one of the biggest hypocrites as far as using manufactured sponsored equipment. Here is the last video at Czech open clearly shows he is using Butterfly Dignics 05 red on backhand. Dan should not promote dishonest athletes such Dima, money sometimes isn`t worth.

He wasn’t claiming to use Donic rubber. He just prefers to avoid the topic (maybe at the behest of Donic). This seems to be what most non-Butterfly sponsored players do.

At least it’s not an FZD situation where he uses a disguised blade from another company.

UpSideDownCarl
09-07-2019, 05:42 PM
He wasn’t claiming to use Donic rubber. He just prefers to avoid the topic (maybe at the behest of Donic). This seems to be what most non-Butterfly sponsored players do.

At least it’s not an FZD situation where he uses a disguised blade from another company.

I do believe that Dima has at least done that many many many many times. If he is no longer doing it that is fine. I don't know. I don't pay attention or care what different players use these days. But Dima has been caught using blades from other brands instead of Donic and hiding them in various ways; in ways that were just as deceptive as what FZD does.

Konrad Bak
09-07-2019, 06:37 PM
The click from d05 is very funny,
He plays Viscaria and he is talking about feeling.xD

bobpuls
09-08-2019, 05:04 AM
and also hollow handles gives you less feeling ..

yogi_bear
09-08-2019, 06:25 AM
It is always the feel and control that matters

UpSideDownCarl
09-08-2019, 06:41 AM
and also hollow handles gives you less feeling ..

Perhaps what you meant is, solid handles feel better. But that is different than saying that solid handles give you more feeling.

Its the opposite. A solid bodied guitar would not resonate and project the sound (vibrations). Think of what an electric guitar sounds like without the amplifier. Just like the hollow space of an acoustic guitar or violin allowing the vibrations to resonate, a hollow space in the handle increases the amount of vibration you can feel because it creates the air space for those vibrations to resonate and amplify. Also, if there is less wood in the same amount of space, that makes it easier to transmit the vibrations. It is easier to move air molecules than wood molecules. It is easier to move wood molecules than carbon molecules. A guitar made out of carbon would not sound good.

But, sometimes a hollow handle means too much vibration. So, a very small hollow space, or a solid handle will not cause you to have the bad feeling parts of the vibrations; only the good. So, a solid handle might feel better. But it will not transmit as much feeling, it will not transmit as much of the vibrations, to your hand.

bobpuls
09-08-2019, 07:07 AM
hmmm ... not sure ... never played with this type of open end .... but i feel better top ply when the handle is solid ... i feel the buttery softness of the limba top ... when handle is hollow i feel more the end of the blade and kick in hand ... generally i can feel the vibration of the blade but not the wood . But this is my feeling ..

Tinykin
09-08-2019, 08:05 AM
hmmm ... not sure ... never played with this type of open end .... but i feel better top ply when the handle is solid ... i feel the buttery softness of the limba top ... when handle is hollow i feel more the end of the blade and kick in hand ... generally i can feel the vibration of the blade but not the wood . But this is my feeling ..

I'm just wondering, and ignoring the rules for blades, how would a blade with a hollow centre feel like? Not those drum-like vellum bats from gossima days. But more a core that's cut like a ring or with a trellis pattern in order to maintain strength?

anchorschmidt
09-08-2019, 08:10 AM
Nice video Dan. I just had to keep adjusting the volume :D

"Oh you saw it, but me too"


I love that Dima is so talkative and passionate about the sport. I don't think that using a different rubber makes him a hypocrite. Obviously the pros have to use the best rubbers out there.

bobpuls
09-08-2019, 08:18 AM
I'm just wondering, and ignoring the rules for blades, how would a blade with a hollow centre feel like? Not those drum-like vellum bats from gossima days. But more a core that's cut like a ring or with a trellis pattern in order to maintain strength?
I`m playing a long time with this idea to make a blade from heavy core, but with many hollow spaces inside , like honeycomb... i have to find time to build it ... i think this could be interesting ... but really hard to do perfect .
and where in the rules is written the blade could not be hollow ?

Tinykin
09-08-2019, 08:22 AM
Honeycomb, that's the word I should have used.

bobpuls
09-08-2019, 08:23 AM
only one problem i did not solve is distributing of glue .... so it will not fill this empty spaces ... so the weight stay down

Konrad Bak
09-08-2019, 09:11 AM
I love dima passion
And I dont want to be hypocrite too
He use custom outer ply acryl blade, and I made screenshots of his blade from Czech open
But when he talks about one of his 27th blades
it makes me sick

UpSideDownCarl
09-08-2019, 12:25 PM
hmmm ... not sure ... never played with this type of open end .... but i feel better top ply when the handle is solid ... i feel the buttery softness of the limba top ... when handle is hollow i feel more the end of the blade and kick in hand ... generally i can feel the vibration of the blade but not the wood . But this is my feeling ..

This may be the distinction I was making between better feeling, and more feeling. :)

UpSideDownCarl
09-08-2019, 12:36 PM
Honeycomb, that's the word I should have used.

About 10 years ago, a guy who ran a club in lower Manhattan brought a few blades back from China that had a core that was not solid. The core was sort of a tick tack toe pattern of wood: crosshatched. The guy was excited that this was the new technology and soon there would be lots of blades like this.

Nobody seemed to like those blades. I cannot fully remember how they felt or why, but nobody seemed to like how they played. My memory was a dull feeling and that the blades were slow and not responsive. But that could have been any number of aspects of how the blade was designed. One thing I know, I never saw another blade like that after. So the company may have come to that same conclusion. :)

Tinykin
09-08-2019, 01:29 PM
Any recollection of the brand name?

UpSideDownCarl
09-08-2019, 01:47 PM
Any recollection of the brand name?

I do not remember. This guy had connections with Yinhe/Galaxy and DHS. I don't think it was DHS. It may have been Yinhe. But it also may have been a brand that had not gotten off the ground yet. I am even not sure if it had a brand or blade name listed. A lot has happened in that 10 years. I only remembered the blade when you guys started talking about a core like that. And I don't think the blade ever made it to market.

The side view of the blade was pretty interesting. :)

hipnotic
09-08-2019, 02:07 PM
Dima has read this post. He is playing with this blade in the final (at least the handle)

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Sedis
09-08-2019, 02:12 PM
I do not remember. This guy had connections with Yinhe/Galaxy and DHS. I don't think it was DHS. It may have been Yinhe. But it also may have been a brand that had not gotten off the ground yet. I am even not sure if it had a brand or blade name listed. A lot has happened in that 10 years. I only remembered the blade when you guys started talking about a core like that. And I don't think the blade ever made it to market.

The side view of the blade was pretty interesting. :)

The HRT Bamboo Dragon is a similar design, but you can't see the slots from the side.

NextLevel
09-08-2019, 02:27 PM
I think Dima is using this blade. Going through the whole story about losing to Samsonov and looking for something with more feeling to lie in a review is a bit too much.

NextLevel
09-08-2019, 02:29 PM
Good review as always Dan. Had do turn down the sound, because my wife thought I was watching porn.

I thought you were making a good joke, until my friend told me his mother thought he was watching porn!

NextLevel
09-08-2019, 02:31 PM
He says he uses the Senso version


It could be nice to know what was the core layer and a bit more about what is specific about this carbon. Otherwise very good review, it's nice to have a pro explains his thought process. When you see that Otcharov and Ma long find that ALC outer are too hard to control, it makes me reconsider what kind of blade I should play at my level :)

I agree with you though you have to remember the quality of the shots they are facing vs the quality we face.

Konrad Bak
09-08-2019, 03:47 PM
Duplicate

Konrad Bak
09-08-2019, 03:50 PM
I will send you on pm bigger version
It's outer ply AC

Konrad Bak
09-08-2019, 03:53 PM
19735

Tinykin
09-08-2019, 06:28 PM
19736

Details of plies get lost

TheKhan123
09-09-2019, 10:37 AM
Meanwhile behind the scene...

Dima: Please Dan, please don't ever mention what rubber i'm using in the review video...
Dan: OK.

I actually took a look and it seemed to have blue sponge like bluestorm as Dan said in the comments of the video. Perhaps, he used BS for that one time .

TheKhan123
09-09-2019, 10:39 AM
Dan you should've asked Dima about his loud oooohhhh-aaahhhhh xD

Konrad Bak
09-09-2020, 09:49 PM
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Kuba Hajto
11-22-2020, 05:17 PM
I've had mine for only a week or two, but this blade is something different. Like a Butterfly Innerforce Layer ALC on steroids. I've used the same rubbers on both Butterfly and Ovtcharov No.1 Senso. Both of mine have the same weight although there are differences in blade design (longer handle and bigger head on Donic). Both blades had signs of good quality wood. The core is very very porous, limba has a lovely deep dark golden color. Both of the blades are impeccable. I think still think that the Senso offers more of everything and for me personally, offers a lot more confidence.

ADurao
12-20-2020, 03:29 PM
Yeah, like you, I saw it long time ago and was wondering why there's no. video on it!


Meanwhile behind the scene...

Dima: Please Dan, please don't ever mention what rubber i'm using in the review video...
Dan: OK.

he uses fh dignics 09c bh dignics 05 ;)

Music&Ping
01-16-2021, 03:38 PM
Perhaps what you meant is, solid handles feel better. But that is different than saying that solid handles give you more feeling.

Its the opposite. A solid bodied guitar would not resonate and project the sound (vibrations). Think of what an electric guitar sounds like without the amplifier. Just like the hollow space of an acoustic guitar or violin allowing the vibrations to resonate, a hollow space in the handle increases the amount of vibration you can feel because it creates the air space for those vibrations to resonate and amplify. Also, if there is less wood in the same amount of space, that makes it easier to transmit the vibrations. It is easier to move air molecules than wood molecules. It is easier to move wood molecules than carbon molecules. A guitar made out of carbon would not sound good.

But, sometimes a hollow handle means too much vibration. So, a very small hollow space, or a solid handle will not cause you to have the bad feeling parts of the vibrations; only the good. So, a solid handle might feel better. But it will not transmit as much feeling, it will not transmit as much of the vibrations, to your hand.

A solid bodied guitar would not resonate and project the sound (vibrations)
Obviously, but...

A guitar made out of carbon would not sound good.
Nope sir, you're very wrong.

Here you're misunderstanding resonance and sustain: carbon helps for sustain that's why it's used for the sweatspot in blades, but indeed will never be better than... air, actually, for resonance purpose.

That's why nowadays solidbody guitars and basses intensively use carbon: one of mines got carbon rods in the neck, just like the carbon used in blades to increase the sweatspot=better sustain for the blade. Modulus Graphite has made some popular basses for Flea or Oteil Burbridge (The Allman Brothers Band, Tedeshi Trucks Band to name a few, only A-List acts) with full carbon necks, Mark King (Level 42) is famous for using Status Graphite basses with full carbon necks too.

But there are also brands that make full carbon guitars, yep... neck AND body, it's just more tricky to build them, it costs a bunch of money then. Fact is: an acoustic guitar body made of carbon will resonate better, cos' the material will not absorb any of the vibrations unlike wood, and its sustain properties will transfer vibrations better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyM8IgQhHKo

Now you're gonna tell me "it sounds harsh, too much crispy, to much high frequencies" yeah... carbon does not work like wood, cos' depending on the specie used to make blades, exactly like guitars, some properties will be emphasized.

Think like it: the oval zone, where the racket hits the ball is the neck, it's where ball/note is played. The Handle is the body, it's where the feeling is produced. It means that if you would have an handle with the maximum informations possible, it would be better to make it out of carbon, and hollow !! but the ITTF rules are not tailored for that.

Also bear in mind that solidbody guitars and basses sound mostly because of their pickups and electronics, woods matter of course, but not as much as you can think, that's why many musicians get custom made pickups and electronics for the same guitar.

Kolev
01-16-2021, 11:15 PM
Actually the only thing which is missing from the non-amplified sound of this quitar is the sustain , which is certainly due to the carbon body which doesn't resonate enough(stiff). Meanwhile the guitar has enough lows/highs and a certain character and probably will find its way to a bunch of extravagant customers. Btw, what all that has to do with the table tennis....

UpSideDownCarl
01-17-2021, 01:10 AM
It is always interesting to me to see when someone takes a post I made long enough ago to force me to read the posts around it to figure out the context, and the person who quotes me comments on something that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Would a solid handle give you more feel than a handle with a small hollow space in it?

It might feel better to some with the handle solid. But would the solid handle translate more vibrations to your hand than a handle with a small hollow space?

I don't really know anything about musical instruments. Nor do I really care. I was using the example of hollow bodied string instruments to illustrate something. Perhaps I am wrong. 100 years ago, would they have thought to make an acoustic guitar that was solid? But the info is about TT rackets. Not musical instruments. The handles I have felt with a hollow space have more vibrations that you can feel in your hand. Sometimes there is too much vibration. Some people are more sensitive to that than others.

I have heard Der_Echte say that a Stiga Offensive Classic we both tried had vibrations like an earthquake. It felt good to me. It did not feel good to him. You can't account for what different people will like.

But, would a handle that is fully solid have MORE vibrations than the same handle with the same wood, with a small hollow space inside the handle?

Go try and tell us the results.

Kolev
01-17-2021, 11:49 AM
Well, for me the solid handle should dampen the vibrations and provide more "direct" sensation, although I think the most important feature providing the vibrations is the type of wood and the way the plys are glued together

amitmnagarwal
08-21-2021, 02:42 PM
I've had mine for only a week or two, but this blade is something different. Like a Butterfly Innerforce Layer ALC on steroids. I've used the same rubbers on both Butterfly and Ovtcharov No.1 Senso. Both of mine have the same weight although there are differences in blade design (longer handle and bigger head on Donic). Both blades had signs of good quality wood. The core is very very porous, limba has a lovely deep dark golden color. Both of the blades are impeccable. I think still think that the Senso offers more of everything and for me personally, offers a lot more confidence.

how does No 1 senso compare to Dima ALC of butterfly ?

Der_Echte
08-22-2021, 06:27 PM
Sergey The "Tsos", who will someday soon join TTD and tell everyone how to use H3 properly... A year or two ago, Segey started to use the Ovtcharov Senso Carbon and it has been his main blade since.

This blade has a little more vibration than other blades its speed class... and speaking of speed class, it is not a rocket of a blade. Ironically, this lets you hit harder and land it.

#Sign-up Sergey

Kuba Hajto
08-22-2021, 08:07 PM
how does No 1 senso compare to Dima ALC of butterfly ?
Never played with the new Dima ALC blade. It does not seem to have the sensor cutout, so I would imagine the different weight distribution.

Kuba Hajto
08-22-2021, 08:08 PM
Sergey The "Tsos", who will someday soon join TTD and tell everyone how to use H3 properly... A year or two ago, Segey started to use the Ovtcharov Senso Carbon and it has been his main blade since.

This blade has a little more vibration than other blades its speed class... and speaking of speed class, it is not a rocket of a blade. Ironically, this lets you hit harder and land it.

#Sign-up Sergey
If you are talking about Ovtcharov True Carbon, that is a different blade than the one Amit mentioned. True Carbon is outer composite.