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yogi_bear
10-01-2019, 11:04 AM
Stiga DNA Pro Rubbers Review


This is it! After a long time of waiting for these rubbers to be released, Stiga has finally shifted to ESN rubbers for their newest rubbers.

I asked them why the change of factory for their newest rubbers and they said, they have seen the importance of producing rubbers from ESN since German rubbers have a surge in popularity among table tennis fans and also in my opinion the need for better performance rubbers that could compete with Tenergy rubbers. The previous rubbers like Mantra, etc will still be produced by their Japanese manufacturer and will still be available in the market for players to enjoy. I think it took about 2 years for Stiga to develop these rubbers with ESN as they have applied the license with ESN about 2 years ago to give a unique German rubber that will not be identified as "just another ESN rubber" but rather one with good amount of quality, unique playing characteristics and at the same time compete with other famous ESN rubbers. Max versions are at 2.1mm and they are what I used.




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Stiga DNA Pro H (Hard)

Weight: 71 grams uncut

Hardness: 50 degrees ESN scale

Speed: OFF++



In my opinion, this is the flagship rubber of Stiga today. The DNA Pro rubbers are composed of 3 rubbers but this for me is their best rubber right now. This is considered as a thin topsheet-thick sponge rubber so it is possible that the sponge thickness could still reach 2.2mm at its thickest. I have noticed a great deal of effort placed on the quality and overall production of the rubber. The rubber seems very durable including the sponge. I have reglued the rubber a few times transferring it to different blades just to test its properties and I have not encountered any instance of sponge tearing up or separating due to the removal of glue. I used a Stiga water-based glue Connect for the tests and

dried it using a hair dryer. The sponge holds firmly when you are removing the glue and it is a good sign of not having a brittle sponge. Sponge is porous with a thin topsheet. Unlike other ESN rubbers of its generation, the pimples seem longer and narrow compared to the Rhyzer 50 or 45 version. The topsheet is medium or medium soft. I could feel the firmness of the topsheet separately and not just the sponge unlike other brands that have an obvious soft topsheet to compensate for the sponge, the DNA H offers a grippy but firm topsheet. I checked the colors and the red topsheets are bright cherry red color instead of the matte red dull color of a different design.



I was excited to test this rubber and I glued it immediately to the Dynasty blade (I also used this in a Rosewood V). I placed 1 thick layer onto the sponge and 1 thick layer to the blade. I used a hair dryer to immediately dry the glue. I did drillings immediately using the DNA H in my forehand and backhand. In the forehand to forehand drill, I have noticed a very high arc even when not doing topspins or brushing and just plain hitting the ball. This is a good indication for my part since for most people they could have a very forgiving rubber wherein it does not hit the net easily compared to other rubber's low arc. The DNA version is very bouncy and fast even at 50 degrees. Other 50 degree rubbers are outright not that fast but this one even on a semi passive stroke, you can feel the bounciness that it can give you when hitting the ball . FOR ITS speed, I can definitely say it is more bouncy faster than the Rasanter R50 and Joola Rhyzer 50 but 1 or 2 notches. You can feel the difference in speed but the difference is not too big. They have different feel when you are using them so you cannot say they are the same rubbers.

Now for the fun part, the DNA H version is a very spinny rubber. The very grippy topsheet bites the ball easily and when combined with the bouncy and hard sponge, spinning or looping the ball requires little swing. In fact, you can do Timo Boll style. I can safely say that it has the bounciness of the Rasanter R50 but also has the spin and even more spin than the Joola Rhyzer Pro 50. So what makes the DNA Pro H different? It seems the DNA H has more to offer like increased amount spin and speed and that is automatic but the best thing I have observed about the DNA H is that even at close to the table distance, the DNA H has a good amount of control. While it is very fast and bouncy, it seems a bit forgiving for its speed. Ideally, this would still be an advanced level's rubber since the rubber and sponge feel firm and hard and you would need a good amount of skill in engaging the sponge and brushing the ball using the topsheet. If you have used a Chinese rubber in the past effectively, then all you need is an adjustment in the speed but other than that I would suggest this rubber for all out attackers and this is awesome both in backhand and forehand as an attacking rubber. In fairness, I had a teen player I was coaching for a day and she used the DNA H as both forehand and backhand rubbers, she never had any difficulty switching to them coming from Tibhar K1 Hybrid rubber which her arcs and throw were a little wild. She is using the DNA effectively and to almost the same amount of spin but better control so I guess it can show that the rubber is very forgiving. Thes best way to optimize this rubber's performance is contacting the ball with a good amount of brush and at the same time with sponge engagement. This has gears like other hard rubbers so you can take this on a slow and controlled stroke or go an all out power stroke. As far as memory goes comparing MXP 50 degrees and DNA Pro H, I would say DNA H is more bouncy with probably the same level of spin but at the same time, with less shrinkage upon removal of rubber and better control near the table. I find the higher arc of the DNA H more forgiving. I cannot directly compare it with the Omega 7 Asia since they are different type of rubbers and at the same time the sponge hardness of the Omega 7 Asia is about 2 degrees higher. All I can say is that the DNA Pro H can compete also with the Omega 7 series.



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Stiga DNA Pro S


Weight: 67 grams uncut
Hardness: 42.5 degrees
Speed: Off


This is the softest rubber among the DNA series. It is also light at 67 grams uncut and approximately 47 grams cut to a standard blade. Out of the packaging, the DNA PRO S has a semi soft feel when you are pressing against the topsheet with sponge. I would categorize this as a medium soft rubber and not entirely soft because other rubbers such as Rakza 7 soft or Vega Europe DF are much softer than this. The closest feel and hardness would be the R42 Rasanter. This category of rubbers all exhibit an outright springy and fast characteristic since the sponge is very reactive to force applied but reaches a plateau once a certain amount of force is applied to them.
The DNA S version is a fast and bouncy rubber with more emphasis on control. It is designed for players who hits a lot and hits through the sponge deeply. Of the 3 rubbers in the DNA series, this is the most controllable and also the most forgiving. It is also the easiest to smash with because of its medium soft sponge. This is better for players who wanted to spin but needs to sink the
ball into the sponge because of their playing style. It has this dull but loud sound when you are whacking the ball. Many people will agree with me if I can compare this to the FXP or FXs rubbers but it has combined characteristics of the Rasanter R42 only this is more bouncy. The S version also has less shrinkage compared to the FXP and FXS rubbers. The S version is more of a close to the table and middle distance rubber since the softness of the sponge limits its power but even beginners at 1.9mm sponge thickness can definitely use this rubber because it is very forgiving.
It is also easy to learn basic strokes especially with looping because the sponge and topsheet greatly help with the forward force and gripping the ball easier when a new player uses it to practice. I think it also blocks best compared to the M and H versions because of the softer sponge. The DNA S would work well with players who smash and drive a lot. This is more or less an all around rubber that offers high level of control.

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Stiga DNA Pro M rubber


Weight: 69 grams uncut
Hardness: 47.5 degrees
Speed: OFF+


The Stiga DNA Pro M is the outright bouncy rubber among its variants at first hit when you are engaging the sponge with some depth. This has a cut weight of approximately 49 grams compared to the 51 grams cut version of the DNA Pro H version. This is the medium hard offensive rubber of the DNA Pro Series. The DNA Pro is an honest to goodness offensive rubber. If you do not prefer hard rubbers that will reach at 50 degrees then this is the rubber to consider. I know a lot of people will say we have already lots of similar rubbers in the market but I beg to disagree. Even if these rubbers are produced by ESN, companies such as Stiga still need to forward their specs for each particular rubberand produce the rubbers they think are worthy of releasing according to their own specifications.


Anyway, this is a another high quality rubber from Stiga and the topsheet is very grippy with almost no tacky feeling. I would put the speed of the DNA Pro M as slower than the Joola Rhyzer 48 by 1 or 2 levels but faster than Rasanter V47 more or less. It does not offer the wild throw and trajectory of the Rhyzer 48 wherein a lot of people including me find the Rhyzer 48 a bit too fast at first use. When I was using the Rhyzer 48 I had a hard time controlling it and until now I think it is still the fastest rubber among 47-48 degree category rubbers. At least the DNA
Pro M has a fairly good amount of control and despite the very high speed. It is good to know that the DNA Series has a good amount of control despite near the table. The DNA Pro M has a
medium to medium high level of arc when looping. The DNA Pro H has the highest arc at about 5-6inches above the net while the M version has about 4 inches of height from the net when I was doing forehand to forehand drive drills. I would agree that people would compare this with the MXP rubber since it is safe to say that the MXP is the bestselling rubber produced by ESN. All I can say is that MXP's topsheet seem a little less durable. Also, I noticed less shrinkage with the DNA M when I glued and removed it to several blades. For the record, I used the Dynasty blade, Rosewood V and another unknown limba 5 ply blade for this test.


How did it play? It was expected that it was very bouncy, no question about that but it has this good hitting feel when you start to engage the sponge. It has some softness upon impact with hard hits probably due to the medium soft topsheet that is very elastic. Looks like it has the same topsheet with the H version only on a softer sponge.It has more outright spring effect compared to the DNA H version having a slightly softer sponge. I looped with this rubber a lot of times whether looping against heavy underspin or counter looping against topspin balls. It is different compared to the H version because it has a more typical euro type feel when you loop with it. Its arc and height is just high enough to clear the net with fast and straight trajectory when landing on the table. The H version has a better kick the moment it lands on the table. At first the H version seem has less speed up to a certain contact on the ball but the moment the ball lands on the table, the H version has a certain strong kick for the table. The M version has sharper bounce but it seems to keep a uniform bounce with less extra kick compared to the DNA H version. Again this is made for at least middle distance due to its power and speed but it was surprisingly controllable near the table just like the H version. On stronger shots, the MXP may plateau on its power while the DNA M may give you some extra juice. Spinwise they are more or less equal. Of the 3 DNA rubbers, I think this is the version that will suit most players since it a lot of players can relate to its feel but with some added extra features compared to other German rubbers from ESN. I would place this as a forehand and backhand rubber but I used this more as a backhand rubber since I like the H version better. Advanced level players would love this on either side with not much adjustments on their playstyles.

yogi_bear
10-01-2019, 11:07 AM
I do not have the pic of Truls using the DNA H yet but I will try to find one.

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Wister
10-01-2019, 12:09 PM
Very nice review thanks :)

So it's a thin topsheet rubber if i understand well ? The max thickness will be 2.1mm ?

If you can give some comparaison with Mantra it would be nice also

yogi_bear
10-01-2019, 01:57 PM
Yes it is 2.1mm for max but it is still in the thin topsheet, thick sponge class. Obviously, the spin is levels above Mantra. Although Mantra H was spinny, the DNA rubbers are quite far spinny. Mantra has an awesome sponge though.

P1ngP0ng3r
10-01-2019, 02:57 PM
@yogi_bear, you mention "bouncy" and "springy" several times. Can I interpret this as "above average sensitive for incoming spin" ?

and of course: many thanks for the review!

Wister
10-01-2019, 04:27 PM
Ah yes, it's surprising that it is only 2.1mm with a thin topsheet while you have MAX (more than 2.1mm) with thicker topsheet for other rubbers

Anyway i was hyped and i bought it :)

thomas.pong
10-01-2019, 06:29 PM
Thanks Yogi!

It's good to hear that the DNA series defers enough from other ESN rubber series, also that the sponge is not brittle and fragile like I anticipated it to be.

Would you say that DNA Pro M is topping MX-P as ESN's best rubber? Is its sponge surface less porous than MX-P's? Was it easier to glue?

thomas.pong
10-01-2019, 06:30 PM
Ah yes, it's surprising that it is only 2.1mm with a thin topsheet while you have MAX (more than 2.1mm) with thicker topsheet for other rubbers

Anyway i was hyped and i bought it :)

Let us know what you think!

yogi_bear
10-01-2019, 07:02 PM
Thanks Yogi!

It's good to hear that the DNA series defers enough from other ESN rubber series, also that the sponge is not brittle and fragile like I anticipated it to be.

Would you say that DNA Pro M is topping MX-P as ESN's best rubber? Is its sponge surface less porous than MX-P's? Was it easier to glue?

It was easier to remove glue and never had any sponge tearing. For mxp 47 and dna m, they both go toe to toe although in the long run, i will choose dna m for durability.

best_intentions
10-02-2019, 02:51 AM
Great review yogi_bear, do you think the topsheet of DNA Pro H is more grippy than Joola Pro 50 or about the same?

zeio
10-02-2019, 09:06 AM
I assure you they're just teething problems...

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vvk1
10-02-2019, 09:20 AM
Yes it is 2.1mm for max but it is still in the thin topsheet, thick sponge class. Obviously, the spin is levels above Mantra. Although Mantra H was spinny, the DNA rubbers are quite far spinny. Mantra has an awesome sponge though.

Sorry to pour cold water on this, but what does "levels above" mean? In your Mantra reviews, you claimed the spin is almost the same level as MX-P. So, by implication, are you also claiming DNA rubbers are "levels above" MX-P in terms of spin?

And how can you make any claims about DNA's durability as compared to MX-P? Unlike DNA, MX-P has been on the market for years, and we know fairly well what its durability is.

Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.

zeio
10-02-2019, 09:30 AM
Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYhNHhxN0A

calvincandie
10-02-2019, 01:24 PM
Yes, that what he is claiming. Also, of course he can judge the durability. The durability of the rubbers he has received and tried. He is not making a claim that he is referring to the durability on a yearly basis, since it’s not been out so long as you mention.

I think Yogi is one of few who is truly impartial. In comparison to you, or Especially Zeio who is obvious haters of stiga for whatever reason. I think they are one of very few brands who are actively working to improve Table tennis in general, instead of just selling cheap, low quality products to low prices, which doesnt improve the outside view of tt.

calvincandie
10-02-2019, 01:25 PM
Sorry to pour cold water on this, but what does "levels above" mean? In your Mantra reviews, you claimed the spin is almost the same level as MX-P. So, by implication, are you also claiming DNA rubbers are "levels above" MX-P in terms of spin?

And how can you make any claims about DNA's durability as compared to MX-P? Unlike DNA, MX-P has been on the market for years, and we know fairly well what its durability is.

Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.

Yes, that what he is claiming. Also, of course he can judge the durability. The durability of the rubbers he has received and tried. He is not making a claim that he is referring to the durability on a yearly basis, since it’s not been out so long as you mention.

I think Yogi is one of few who is truly impartial. In comparison to you, or Especially Zeio who is obvious haters of stiga for whatever reason. I think they are one of very few brands who are actively working to improve Table tennis in general, instead of just selling cheap, low quality products to low prices, which doesnt improve the outside view of tt.

zeio
10-02-2019, 01:28 PM
Subbed by Stiga hater zeio. Not to mention all those STIGA VTT tutorials. Yup, I hate them so much I promote them without getting a dime in return.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5Wa6w5xJc

calvincandie
10-02-2019, 01:28 PM
Sorry to pour cold water on this, but what does "levels above" mean? In your Mantra reviews, you claimed the spin is almost the same level as MX-P. So, by implication, are you also claiming DNA rubbers are "levels above" MX-P in terms of spin?

And how can you make any claims about DNA's durability as compared to MX-P? Unlike DNA, MX-P has been on the market for years, and we know fairly well what its durability is.

Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.


I assure you they're just teething problems...

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Heard he withdrew from the Doubles Because of injury. Probably also german Open. Was obvious to anyone watching the match against Kara yesterday that he had big problems with his right shoulder. Too bad, hope he recovers soon.

calvincandie
10-02-2019, 01:31 PM
Sorry to pour cold water on this, but what does "levels above" mean? In your Mantra reviews, you claimed the spin is almost the same level as MX-P. So, by implication, are you also claiming DNA rubbers are "levels above" MX-P in terms of spin?

And how can you make any claims about DNA's durability as compared to MX-P? Unlike DNA, MX-P has been on the market for years, and we know fairly well what its durability is.

Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.


I assure you they're just teething problems...

https://i.imgur.com/1loKlCE.png
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48829317782_3318dbf1d5_o_d.jpg


Subbed by Stiga hater zeio. Not to mention all those STIGA VTT tutorials. Yup, I hate them so much I promote them without getting a dime in return.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5Wa6w5xJc

Who cares about sharing some 4 years old video with some random blonde woman.

zeio
10-02-2019, 01:33 PM
Ya, share with us your video and we'll talk.

AndySmith
10-02-2019, 01:52 PM
It's obvious that yogi has some informal arrangements with the manufacturers which results in some bias. And I don't say that to knock him - it's just the nature of the beast. Most people who receive products regularly from suppliers in return for reviews will have some sort of pressure on them - either explicitly or implicitly. Has yogi ever given a bad review for an Xiom or Stiga product? No. Is everything Xiom and Stiga make 100% amazing? Maybe, maybe not.

People should always try to "read between the lines" when he posts a review (I think he's said as much himself at times) And that's good advice with any review from anyone of course! There is value in there, but important not to get carried away.

Airoc
10-02-2019, 02:32 PM
People should always try to "read between the lines" when he posts a review (I think he's said as much himself at times) And that's good advice with any review from anyone of course! There is value in there, but important not to get carried away.

Good point.

In a "sponsored" review, don´t be over-enthused. Don´t put the product down, either - try to figure out who might like it/need it if you don´t.
And if there is a quality issue (other than that, there is not really a bad product, just many you don´t find fully convincing) contact the manufacturer instead of spreading the word ;)

yogi_bear
10-02-2019, 05:34 PM
Sorry to pour cold water on this, but what does "levels above" mean? In your Mantra reviews, you claimed the spin is almost the same level as MX-P. So, by implication, are you also claiming DNA rubbers are "levels above" MX-P in terms of spin?

And how can you make any claims about DNA's durability as compared to MX-P? Unlike DNA, MX-P has been on the market for years, and we know fairly well what its durability is.

Come on, at least make an effort to be impartial.

You seem to have difficulty in your reading comprehension. It is very clear that when you claim a rubber has almost the same level of spin as another rubber, they both do not have the same amount of spin. Also, i never specified in that review how many levels of spin between the mxp and mantra h. Sorry to pour cold water on your conclusion but that is logically wrong.

yogi_bear
10-02-2019, 05:36 PM
It's obvious that yogi has some informal arrangements with the manufacturers which results in some bias. And I don't say that to knock him - it's just the nature of the beast. Most people who receive products regularly from suppliers in return for reviews will have some sort of pressure on them - either explicitly or implicitly. Has yogi ever given a bad review for an Xiom or Stiga product? No. Is everything Xiom and Stiga make 100% amazing? Maybe, maybe not.

People should always try to "read between the lines" when he posts a review (I think he's said as much himself at times) And that's good advice with any review from anyone of course! There is value in there, but important not to get carried away.

I did claim a few times to read between the lines. It is subtle most of the times but people need to read it.

Ioiettino
10-02-2019, 06:28 PM
I thought your pointers were pretty clear, in this case. The reviews do give a good impression, thanks for putting in the time.

tsubasa
10-02-2019, 06:40 PM
Why did you not compare DNA m and h with omega 7 series? Nothing in common?

By the way I tried gewo nexus pro 50 and 53 for 10 minutes and I have to say may be we all should go with the 50-53 degree rubbers with off- blades with compact head size.
Those rubbers are firm but not hard at all. Bouncy but nothing like a soft and bouncy rubber. They are spinny and fast.
They are lively.
When I got to back to my tenergy 80 fx it felt like dead.

thomas.pong
10-02-2019, 08:31 PM
Why did you not compare DNA m and h with omega 7 series? Nothing in common?

By the way I tried gewo nexus pro 50 and 53 for 10 minutes and I have to say may be we all should go with the 50-53 degree rubbers with off- blades with compact head size.
Those rubbers are firm but not hard at all. Bouncy but nothing like a soft and bouncy rubber. They are spinny and fast.
They are lively.
When I got to back to my tenergy 80 fx it felt like dead.

Big gap between an FX rubber (40-43 deg) and 50-53 deg rubbers!

I'm not so sure we all can play, control or would enjoy playing with rubbers that firm even on an OFF- blade, compact size of not, I know I wouldn't and I've tried a few :)

The short game or openings can be a real bee with hard rubbers if you don't have the technique or simply don't favor them.

shinshiro
10-03-2019, 12:09 AM
How is the throw angle of the S version when compared to M and H?

trumpet_guy
10-03-2019, 01:23 AM
The topsheet of these DNA rubbers looks very similar to the topsheet of the GEWO Nexxus EL Pro rubbers. Not too surprising, given they are both recent ESN releases.

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Also, I believe the max thickness of 2.1mm with only a thin topsheet is due to rather tall pimples.

guni4you
10-03-2019, 02:29 AM
Hi,

I tried mxp50 on joola Aruna Off blade and it is amazing for the short game.I am excited to try the gewo el pro 53.Can someone expand on its characteristics.My blade has hinoki outer layer and is a soft blade with good feeling so I think 53 hardness should work well.

Halon X
10-07-2019, 02:27 AM
Hi Yogi can you can compare Stiga DNA M to Rozena? is it a good upgrade (for a backhand rubber)

vik2000
10-07-2019, 02:33 AM
Just upgrade to T05FX because it'll be more natural. New gen ESN rubbers will throw you off.

yogi_bear
10-07-2019, 08:11 AM
Hi Yogi can you can compare Stiga DNA M to Rozena? is it a good upgrade (for a backhand rubber)

Rozena is faster but they are the same level of spin more or less.

Wister
10-09-2019, 07:16 AM
Yesterday first 3 hours session with DNA M on my forehand, so a review of my first impressions

For some context about what i'm used to, i played with vari spin, mark V GPS, acuda S3, rakza 7 soft, R42, H3N, mantra S, rakza 7. Mostly with my OSP virtuoso that is a off- blade. I play around 1500 USATT if i convert well, and my style is to do as soon as possible a spinny forehand loop then a forehand loop to get the point

My first impression was that the sponge was harder than rakza 7 that I currently play. About the topsheet i'm not sure, i would say slightly firmer. Also it is indeed a thin topsheet rubber, i find it very visible in my opinion

When i bounced it, i was even a bit surprised that it didn't bounce a lot lot. Maybe because it is a bit harder than other rubbers i've played but it didn't felt crazy bouncy without any engagment

Now about the playing characteristics. First i was a bit surprised that i could adapt almost instantly, really no problem. To give an overall impression, i would say it is an all around offensive rubbers. Here i mean i didn't feel the need to engage very hard to play well with the rubbers and i found it pretty forgiving. Because the ball is well gripped (something i really want and like), the sponge is not too hard and the arc of the ball is, i don't know, i would say medium. Maybe even slightly higher than rakza 7

For me the main attribute was the consistency i would say. It wasn't crazy fast at all, similar to rakza but plenty enough i found. Spin wise, it was good but i was not surprised. I didn't played with my usual partners so maybe they would have seen a difference but i played with players above my level and they still shot out most of my spinny topspin on backspin but it's just the same as usual.

So yes, no crazy spin and speed. But i felt very secure and the contact felt very consistent. What i liked is that i could feel well the ball and it was nice to change from more spinny forehand to more speedy forehand. (I hope i'm clear here)

About serve and short game. Also nothing special i would say but very consistent. Easy to keep the ball pretty short as it's not too bouncy, good spin if required, good

I was about to forget blocking. Yes good also, even maybe pretty good. Not too spin sensitive and easy to do


In conclusion, i was not impressed by the speed and spin of the rubbers but i was impressed by how easy it was to play with it. I quickly forgot it we can say and i did not once thought i missed my shot because of it, despite the fact i was doing a lot of matches against opponent stronger than me. For me it's an all around offensive rubbers that is very consistent and safe. More offensive than all around. I think it's a bit the same idea than rakza 7 but more adapted to the plastic ball (i felt the contact was a bit better). One last point, i really liked the gripiness, something that i found lacking of some new generation rubbers (like the R42, the grip was weird to me).

I will keep it for my forehand, it really played like i wanted. If i get very different impression in a few weeks i will do a quick post about it :)

bricec
10-09-2019, 07:49 AM
Thanks for the review Wister. I see you’re French, how did you get the rough usatt equivalent of your French ranking?

Wister
10-09-2019, 08:06 AM
Thanks for the review Wister. I see you’re French, how did you get the rough usatt equivalent of your French ranking?

I refer to this post : https://forum.tennis-de-table.com/t/equivalence-classement-us/8948

Not sure how accurate it is :)

thomas.pong
10-09-2019, 09:34 AM
I refer to this post : https://forum.tennis-de-table.com/t/equivalence-classement-us/8948

Not sure how accurate it is :)

Fairly accurate.

Having played in the US for a few years before moving back to France, I'd say if you're FFTT rated 10, you'd be somewhere in the USATT 1500 to 1600's.

bricec
10-09-2019, 11:56 AM
Thank you both :-)

nivekkan
10-18-2019, 12:41 AM
Can you compare the spin and speed between MX-S and DNA M please? I think the MX-S is considered as spinner but slower (less catapult)than MX-P.
You said that DNA-M has even higher gear (more juice?) than MX-P. So is DNA faster than MX-S? What about spin?

yogi_bear
10-18-2019, 02:05 AM
DNA M is definitely faster and it is closer to MXP. MXS has more spin on brush loops. Mxs is like DNA H but DNA H is way faster with same or better spin.

whocarez
10-19-2019, 09:56 AM
How would this rubber compare to DHS Goldarc 8? Both are ESN rubbers, and I do play sometimes with Goldarc 8 (on both sides) on a Sanwei Fextra which I find a quite good and a not too expensive setup.

yogi_bear
10-19-2019, 11:45 AM
How would this rubber compare to DHS Goldarc 8? Both are ESN rubbers, and I do play sometimes with Goldarc 8 (on both sides) on a Sanwei Fextra which I find a quite good and a not too expensive setup.
I find Goldarc to be just above average. Not even in the level of MXP.

Oliver
10-20-2019, 03:49 PM
I am an offensive player who likes to loop, counter attack, topspin, flick on the forehand and block, chop, flick and hit on the backhand. I recently won a state competition and want to upgrade my racket. I have decided my ply to be Butterfly Viscaria ALC. For forehand i was thinking Rasanter r50 or the upcoming r53 and for backhand Stiga dna pro H. Are the rubbers good? Please recommend good and spinny rubbers which should not exceed 50€? I have an upcoming competition in December, so please reply fast.

Avenger
10-20-2019, 04:52 PM
DHS Goldarc 8 (50 degrees) as an ESN rubber is comparable to MXP in my opinion.

I've played with MXP for over 2 years and then switched over to Goldarc 8, 47.5 degrees, but didn't really get the oomph that I liked. After using the 50 degree version of Goldarc 8 for about a year I can say it has similar power and spin as MXP but with better control.

I'm excited about the new Stiga DNA Pro rubber and can't wait to give the H version a try!

juergen79
10-22-2019, 06:12 AM
What blades work well with DNA H or M?
I can choose to test it with: OSP Expert, OSP Virtuoso, Red and Black Kazak or Butterfly ZLF

lasta
10-22-2019, 07:08 AM
What blades work well with DNA H or M?
I can choose to test it with: OSP Expert, OSP Virtuoso, Red and Black Kazak or Butterfly ZLF

The blade makes much more difference than rubbers. I'd say choose your blade then match rubbers, not the other way around.

lasta
10-22-2019, 07:10 AM
Hi Yogi,

You mentioned the topsheet as Medium soft, yet firm. Can you compare it with the Mantra?

Wister
10-22-2019, 03:51 PM
What blades work well with DNA H or M?
I can choose to test it with: OSP Expert, OSP Virtuoso, Red and Black Kazak or Butterfly ZLF

I have virtuoso off- with DNA M, it fits well in my opinion

Dream2K
10-28-2019, 10:38 PM
Yesterday first 3 hours session with DNA M on my forehand, so a review of my first impressions

For some context about what i'm used to, i played with vari spin, mark V GPS, acuda S3, rakza 7 soft, R42, H3N, mantra S, rakza 7. Mostly with my OSP virtuoso that is a off- blade. I play around 1500 USATT if i convert well, and my style is to do as soon as possible a spinny forehand loop then a forehand loop to get the point

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In conclusion, i was not impressed by the speed and spin of the rubbers but i was impressed by how easy it was to play with it. I quickly forgot it we can say and i did not once thought i missed my shot because of it, despite the fact i was doing a lot of matches against opponent stronger than me. For me it's an all around offensive rubbers that is very consistent and safe. More offensive than all around. I think it's a bit the same idea than rakza 7 but more adapted to the plastic ball (i felt the contact was a bit better). One last point, i really liked the gripiness, something that i found lacking of some new generation rubbers (like the R42, the grip was weird to me).

I will keep it for my forehand, it really played like i wanted. If i get very different impression in a few weeks i will do a quick post about it :)

how does it compare to Mantra S?

Wister
10-29-2019, 08:18 AM
Hi Yogi,

You mentioned the topsheet as Medium soft, yet firm. Can you compare it with the Mantra?

I played mantra S for a while but i'm not sure how to describe the difference. The problem is that i played the soft version with mantra and medium with DNA so i'm a bit confused by the sponge effect.

First it's thinner and it may be slightly softer, not sure. But mainly i find it to have a different kind of grip. I found a thread where we talked about it, people were saying that there were the old grippy rubber like rakza 7 and the new grip generation like rasanter. Lately i tried to compare my rakza 7 and DNA M on my robot and it was very clear that the ball was griped better with thin contact with rakza 7. With the DNA you need to enter a least a bit the sponge to do the slow forehand open up while it could be done more slightly like just with the grip with rakza. Btw i would say that slow topspin on backspin ball is easier with rakza, but still very OK with DNA

So for me mantra had still a bit the 'old bite' feeling (less than rakza) and DNA is more like the new generation grip like rasanter (that i played). Nevertheless we can still say that DNA is very grippy, it's just a bit different. I'm waiting to see if the grip will get bad after two months like it was for rasanter for me


Some quotes from the thread : https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?19720-BH-FH-rubbers-around-42%C2%B0-hardness


Sounds to me like what you're missing is that feeling of 'bite' on the ball that the old rubbers like rakza 7 have.
Isn't the rakza7 about 43-44 degrees? Why not just use that if you're used to it and want that kind of grip?


Also it's not all new rubbers that don't have the same bite on the ball. The Rasanter certainly doesn't. I don't know all the others but I suspect they're the same style. But that said it's also not 'all' new rubbers. There are a lot of new rubbers that are meant to evolve the old bitey style of topsheet, like the new hexer etc.

If anyone can explain more about the difference between the 'old bite grip' like rakza and the new gen grip like rasanter/DNA, i would be happy to hear it :)

raazzz
11-05-2019, 09:06 AM
Anyone compared the DNA-series with the Dignics rubbers?

yoass
11-05-2019, 09:59 AM
Anyone compared the DNA-series with the Dignics rubbers?

Yes. I compared them, and the first finding is a price difference of exactly €30. Which roughly equates to a few weeks of subsistence.

bricec
11-05-2019, 11:20 AM
Or more importantly half a Stiga blade, which is important when you consider rule 20.

yogi_bear
11-05-2019, 11:47 AM
Dignics has more spin. DNA H has more control close to the table.

Chang
11-06-2019, 07:33 PM
Dignics has more spin. DNA H has more control close to the table.
Yogi, just a quick question. Did you already take them off of the racket? How much did they shrink? I took mine 2 days after assemble by shop, with just 2 hours of playtime, and the shrinkage was about 4 mm, which is unbelieveble. I have suspision that it was stretch there, but idk.

yogi_bear
11-06-2019, 07:48 PM
Mine did not shrink since i cut them before gluing. I guess they do shrink like any other esn rubber.

trumpet_guy
11-08-2019, 12:02 AM
I have a sheet of DNA Pro M in Red, max (2.1mm) and the uncut sheet is 170mm x 170mm and is a bit heavy at
70.9g
I was hoping for a lighter weight. Will see how it plays.

Here is a comparison against the GEWO Nexxus EL Pro 48, max black

The Stiga sponge is a little more porous, but the pimples of the two look very similar.

20075

yogi_bear
11-08-2019, 12:20 PM
I have a sheet of DNA Pro M in Red, max (2.1mm) and the uncut sheet is 170mm x 170mm and is a bit heavy at
70.9g
I was hoping for a lighter weight. Will see how it plays.

Here is a comparison against the GEWO Nexxus EL Pro 48, max black

The Stiga sponge is a little more porous, but the pimples of the two look very similar.

20075

Considering the type of esn sponges used now. They are on the heavy side.

yogi_bear
11-08-2019, 12:21 PM
Hi Yogi,

You mentioned the topsheet as Medium soft, yet firm. Can you compare it with the Mantra?

I think mantra has a more firm topsheet. The dna is still considered thin topsheet thick sponge rubber. The ball kinda sinks into the topsheet.

shinshiro
11-13-2019, 12:55 AM
Yogi, can you compare DNA Pro S with Omega VII Euro?

Zoltan
11-16-2019, 01:55 PM
Hi Yogi!He wrote a very good review of Yasaka Valmo, I use a Batterfly innerforce zlc racket and I was not disappointed with your opinion.How is DNA H different, Valmo

Zoltan
11-16-2019, 02:38 PM
Hi Yogi!He wrote a very good review of Yasaka Valmo, I use a Batterfly innerforce zlc racket and I was not disappointed with your opinion.How is DNA H different vs Valmo

yogi_bear
11-16-2019, 04:51 PM
Valmo is less spinny. If I remeber it right it is not an ESN rubber but made by Daiki like Mantra. SO expect DNA Pro H with a lot of spin compared to Valmo. I think Mantra M is more or less near Valmo.

yogi_bear
11-16-2019, 04:55 PM
Yogi, can you compare DNA Pro S with Omega VII Euro?

I think Omega & Euro has more spin and DNA S feels softer despite both being around 45 degrees.

Zoltan
11-16-2019, 07:23 PM
sorry, DNA M would be interested in which one is more controllable, more catapult

Zoltan
11-16-2019, 07:39 PM
sorry, DNA M would be interested in which one is more controllable, more catapult and speed

yogi_bear
11-17-2019, 12:02 PM
the 3 rubbers are very bouncy but the H version seems to be the bounciest. Surprisingly, the H version has better control than other 50 degree rubbers

Dream2K
11-18-2019, 03:11 PM
$34 at TT11 this week (S, M and H)

Caxoera
11-19-2019, 01:59 AM
I paied €26 on dandoy last month. Awesome price for such a good rubber.

guni4you
11-19-2019, 02:05 AM
Hey Yogi,

Out of Dna H and tibhar mx-s. Which one is better for blocking and short game? Specially for the backhand.
the 3 rubbers are very bouncy but the H version seems to be the bounciest. Surprisingly, the H version has better control than other 50 degree rubbers

yogi_bear
11-19-2019, 07:02 AM
DNA is better for blocking because of its bounce. Mxs has more gears and it find it better on short pushes and drop shots.

yoass
11-19-2019, 07:54 AM
@yogi, I'm not sure what you mean by bounce. When you say a rubber is bouncy, you seem to mean that's a good thing.

For me bouncy means: less predictable, harder to control, bound to unexpectedly shoot off. What do you mean by it?

yogi_bear
11-20-2019, 08:14 AM
Depends on what you need. DNA is bouncy right away and people who need less effort to make stronger shots qould like it.

Zoltan
11-20-2019, 07:02 PM
I tried Mantra M, I really like how much DNA M is
servo betting, speed, catapult, etc. Can you play it with the same security?

JHB
11-20-2019, 07:27 PM
Been using DNA Pro H for a week. or two, starting to rather like it.

Renan Angelici
11-20-2019, 07:32 PM
How DNA Pro H compares to Rhyzer 50?

yogi_bear
11-22-2019, 12:06 AM
How DNA Pro H compares to Rhyzer 50?

I like the DNA's feel and control better. I think DNA H may seem to have more spin and easier to use near the table.

ridderz65
11-22-2019, 08:27 AM
Dignics has more spin. DNA H has more control close to the table.

How would you compare the DNA Pro H to Tenergy 05 in all aspects? How is the pro H away from the table too?

yogi_bear
11-23-2019, 01:58 PM
How would you compare the DNA Pro H to Tenergy 05 in all aspects? How is the pro H away from the table too?
No problem away from the table and also dna h is less sensitive to spin than t05

yogi_bear
11-23-2019, 01:59 PM
How would you compare the DNA Pro H to Tenergy 05 in all aspects? How is the pro H away from the table too?


I tried Mantra M, I really like how much DNA M is
servo betting, speed, catapult, etc. Can you play it with the same security?


I think they have the same capabilities except that the mantra m blocks better and dna m has more spin.

Zoltan
11-23-2019, 02:24 PM
Thank you for the information, which rubber life can be better and which type of DNA similar to Fastarc G-1?

Nicholas Armitage
11-24-2019, 07:50 AM
Dear Yogi-bear,
Thank you for your excellent review!
Are you able to compare the Stiga Pro range with Tenergy 05?
Which rubber in the range would be closest to Tenergy 05 please?
Cheers, Nicholas - Brisbane Australia

yogi_bear
11-24-2019, 12:44 PM
Dear Yogi-bear,
Thank you for your excellent review!
Are you able to compare the Stiga Pro range with Tenergy 05?
Which rubber in the range would be closest to Tenergy 05 please?
Cheers, Nicholas - Brisbane Australia


i cannot say that even the H version is at the level of tenergy 05's spin but other areas such as handling and speed are near. they have different feel.

GusShnaps
11-24-2019, 06:50 PM
Would DNA Pro M be a good fit for the Stiga Azaleas?
What should I expect from moving from Mantra M?

yogi_bear
11-24-2019, 08:22 PM
Yes, Azalea blades especially tge off version is highly recommemded. Expect a big difference in spin for the DNA M.

Nemesis
11-25-2019, 01:15 PM
Dear yogi_bear,

I'm a top-spin player, I tried STIGA DNA Pro M 2.1mm on my Timo boll ALC, and I'm a little bit disappointed. I think the rubber is a very good rubber, but for me is too fast and with less spin respect to Tenergy05. Moreover I think that if you are not in quite perfect position with legs and make a perfect movement with arm, the rubber doesn't help you in contrast to Tenergy05. IMHO Tenergy05 gives more control in block respect to STIGA DNA.
I believe the rubber is perfect for player with fast movement of legs and arm and player who loves play close-mid distance without spin.
I consider T05 or Mx-p more controllable rubbers respect to DNA.

What do you think about? Could be the association with TB ALC not perfect for these rubbers?

Thank you

NB: my english is not quite good, excuse me ;-)

Dream2K
11-26-2019, 02:11 AM
DNA Pro M, Omega VII Pro, R47, El Pro 48 -
Could somebody rank these regarding ease of use? Thank you

trumpet_guy
11-26-2019, 03:51 AM
I have DNA M 2.1 and Nexxus EL Pro 48 max that I will put on my Acoustic soon. I can report back later.

Nicholas Armitage
11-26-2019, 07:00 AM
Thank you Yogi-bear,
I have recently been using Donic Bluestorm Z3 2.1 on my backhand.
How do you feel the Stiga DNA Pro range compares to this?
If favourably, which would be closest in feel, H, M or S?
Thank you in advance!

yogi_bear
11-26-2019, 11:18 AM
Has to be the S version though i think Z3 is softer

Caxoera
11-26-2019, 07:46 PM
I just moved from Cornilleau Target Gt51 to DNA H on the forehand and from Target GT48 to a Xiom Omega 7 Pro on the backhand. The DNA has more arc than the Cornilleau and I need more time to get used to but I´m liking a lot. Specially for the price I paied (28 euros). The DNA H is just 1º degree softer than the GT51 but feels more softer than that and its also faster. But to be honest my Cornilleau´s were a little bit old already and the DNA just fresh from the box and maybe that´s why I´m feeling those differences.

BryanY
11-27-2019, 01:45 AM
I just moved from Cornilleau Target Gt51 to DNA H on the forehand and from Target GT48 to a Xiom Omega 7 Pro on the backhand. The DNA has more arc than the Cornilleau and I need more time to get used to but I´m liking a lot. Specially for the price I paied (28 euros). The DNA H is just 1º degree softer than the GT51 but feels more softer than that and its also faster. But to be honest my Cornilleau´s were a little bit old already and the DNA just fresh from the box and maybe that´s why I´m feeling those differences.

How do you like 07P on backhand?

yogi_bear
11-27-2019, 02:10 AM
Dna h's softness is due to its topsheet.

Caxoera
11-27-2019, 02:12 AM
How do you like 07P on backhand?

I’m liking the 07P too but still need more time. Very grippy and faster than the DNA and the Target. At the end they are all made at ESN in Germany and really feels like they are not exactly the same but come from the same place.

best_intentions
11-28-2019, 02:49 AM
I've been playing with the Stiga DNA H on FH for about one week training and played with it in matchplay last night so just some observations.

DHS Long 5x, FH Stiga DNA H BH Rhyzer Pro 50 (previous to that been using Rasanter R53...great but heavy, and then Tenergy 05) I will leave out the comparison to Andro R53 since that is in a league of its own.

When I first saw the TTD video review I was a little surprised that Dan said that it was slower than T05, but clearly it is slower. On just some warm-up drives the difference in speed from T05 or even Rhyzer 50 is not so pronounced. But as you get to some medium fast loops there is just something not right with the speed to spin ratio. With a more low to high chinese style brush loops there is not a crisp feeling that I would expect from a 50 degree rubber and the 'softness' of the topsheet makes it appear to have nice dwell, but the ball is always landing quite in the middle zone of the table and not deep. I tried to adjust with various brushing and using more of the sponge without a lot of success. What I did find is that if you have a short stroke similar to a Maze or Boll and brushing more the top part of the ball you can get more speed but that is not an adjustment I want to make.

A positive is that if you are going power against power (counterlooping close to table or away from table) DNA H actually performs well. It has really nice control & feel when counterattacking and the speed is nice. Counterlooping far away has nice control and spin but I think Rhyzer Pro 50 and T05 are more 'deadly' in terms of being able to put more power and variety of spin. The DNA H seems to be very spinny but it is very predictable spin...and really doesn't have any 'kick' to the spin like you can get with T05 or Rhyzer 50. the DNA just doesn't feel that dynamic.

The biggest problem that I have is that when you gain an advantage and get a (quality) block back from your opponent and you are in the right position... there is not that much put-away-power. Good opponents can just block-you-down...whereas I actually flipped my racket midway last night and used Rhyzer 50 side on FH and there was clearly a few notches more of speed and spin with balls landing deep and much more forcing of errors onto the opponent.

On short game & serves it seems fairly equal to Rhyzer 50. Both 50 degree rubbers have more spin on serves than T05 if you using more brush serving technique. It does have a very grippy topsheet. Topsheet is not super soft but the Rhyzer 50 is much more firm.

Maybe it is just my style of play but compared to Rhyzer pro 50, T05 and R53 it's just not the rubber for me on the FH side. Playing on the BH side for half the the night it actually performed well and certainly really nice with active blocks and quick countering. But (BH) looping underspin was an adjustment...I will need to find the sweetspot on looping strong and deep. Rhyzer 50 on BH is very easy to play low and strong against backspin. I might keep it on the BH and see if it could work, but I think this rubber is just not a good match for me.

To be fair, it could be that i'm playing with the Rhyzer Pro 50 and T05 longer; or the fact that Rhyzer 50 is 2.3mm, or the DNA H needs to be on an 'outer' carbon blade.

BryanY
11-28-2019, 03:29 AM
Nice review.

I recently flipped my paddle to experiment with Rhyzer Pro 50 on backhand and was surprised at how much I liked it. But... I haven’t tried Pro 45 yet, so there is a possibility that Pro 45 would make more sense on backhand.

best_intentions
11-28-2019, 06:55 AM
If the 'Pro' means firmer topsheet Pro 45 could be quite nice on BH. I like Rhyzer Pro 50 on FH and BH.

I actually think a firmer topsheet is much nicer when brushing with the plastic ball, but that could be personal preference because a lot of manufacturers are going with a softer topsheet.

Renan Angelici
11-28-2019, 01:47 PM
Nice and valuable comparison! I was looking for a detailed comparison between Rhyzer Pro 50 and Stiga DNA H. Thanks! Very informative.


I've been playing with the Stiga DNA H on FH for about one week training and played with it in matchplay last night so just some observations.

DHS Long 5x, FH Stiga DNA H BH Rhyzer Pro 50 (previous to that been using Rasanter R53...great but heavy, and then Tenergy 05) I will leave out the comparison to Andro R53 since that is in a league of its own.

When I first saw the TTD video review I was a little surprised that Dan said that it was slower than T05, but clearly it is slower. On just some warm-up drives the difference in speed from T05 or even Rhyzer 50 is not so pronounced. But as you get to some medium fast loops there is just something not right with the speed to spin ratio. With a more low to high chinese style brush loops there is not a crisp feeling that I would expect from a 50 degree rubber and the 'softness' of the topsheet makes it appear to have nice dwell, but the ball is always landing quite in the middle zone of the table and not deep. I tried to adjust with various brushing and using more of the sponge without a lot of success. What I did find is that if you have a short stroke similar to a Maze or Boll and brushing more the top part of the ball you can get more speed but that is not an adjustment I want to make.

A positive is that if you are going power against power (counterlooping close to table or away from table) DNA H actually performs well. It has really nice control & feel when counterattacking and the speed is nice. Counterlooping far away has nice control and spin but I think Rhyzer Pro 50 and T05 are more 'deadly' in terms of being able to put more power and variety of spin. The DNA H seems to be very spinny but it is very predictable spin...and really doesn't have any 'kick' to the spin like you can get with T05 or Rhyzer 50. the DNA just doesn't feel that dynamic.

The biggest problem that I have is that when you gain an advantage and get a (quality) block back from your opponent and you are in the right position... there is not that much put-away-power. Good opponents can just block-you-down...whereas I actually flipped my racket midway last night and used Rhyzer 50 side on FH and there was clearly a few notches more of speed and spin with balls landing deep and much more forcing of errors onto the opponent.

On short game & serves it seems fairly equal to Rhyzer 50. Both 50 degree rubbers have more spin on serves than T05 if you using more brush serving technique. It does have a very grippy topsheet. Topsheet is not super soft but the Rhyzer 50 is much more firm.

Maybe it is just my style of play but compared to Rhyzer pro 50, T05 and R53 it's just not the rubber for me on the FH side. Playing on the BH side for half the the night it actually performed well and certainly really nice with active blocks and quick countering. But (BH) looping underspin was an adjustment...I will need to find the sweetspot on looping strong and deep. Rhyzer 50 on BH is very easy to play low and strong against backspin. I might keep it on the BH and see if it could work, but I think this rubber is just not a good match for me.

To be fair, it could be that i'm playing with the Rhyzer Pro 50 and T05 longer; or the fact that Rhyzer 50 is 2.3mm, or the DNA H needs to be on an 'outer' carbon blade.

yogi_bear
11-28-2019, 03:19 PM
If the 'Pro' means firmer topsheet Pro 45 could be quite nice on BH. I like Rhyzer Pro 50 on FH and BH.

I actually think a firmer topsheet is much nicer when brushing with the plastic ball, but that could be personal preference because a lot of manufacturers are going with a softer topsheet.

PRO is just part of its name.

yoass
11-28-2019, 03:23 PM
PRO is just part of its name.

What's in a name? That which we call a pro
By any other name would hit as hard

?

BryanY
11-28-2019, 03:30 PM
What's in a name? That which we call a pro
By any other name would hit as hard

?

I think part of the confusion is that “Rhyzer” and “Rhyzer Pro” are two completely different topsheets with different pimple geometries. I would prefer a different naming convention.

best_intentions
11-29-2019, 12:20 AM
PRO is just part of its name.

I'm thinking yogi_bear might be reading my reply to Bryan thinking I am talking about Stiga DNA Pro...which Pro is just part of the name.

But I was referring to Joola Rhyzer Pro 45 (or 50)--- here the 'Pro' refers to a different topsheet to Rhyzer 48/43
20197

Hopefully this talk of Rhyzer doesn't derail the DNA Pro thread ;)

best_intentions
11-29-2019, 01:11 AM
Getting back to DNA Pro :)

So I played last night with DNA Pro H on the Backhand. (FH Rhyzer Pro 50)

On the BH, I'm liking DNA Pro H. As I mentioned in my post above the DNA H really does well when countering (power vs power)...so off-the-bounce close to table counters feel good and it has very good control in the sense the ball stays on the table. But Rhyzer 50 is more direct and you feel like you can place the ball exactly where you want it. And mid-distance when doing quick wrist countering against strong shots feels nice as well.

DNA H definitely has more dwell (and perhaps more spin) on the BH compared to Rhyzer 50, but with that comes (small) inconsistencies for normal looping. Meaning if you brush loop (backhand stroke) more like FZD or Ma Long with a slightly open face, that softer topsheet makes some balls have higher arc and land in the middle zone and sometimes they go deep. The rubber has lots of spin but those very fast brush loops (with more open racket face) doesn't have that feeling of 'control' where you can hit a 'coin' on the table consistently...if that makes sense.

Now if you have more of a Kalinikos Kreanga BH stroke where you close that racket face and brush the heck out of the top of the ball (even with a shorter stroke) this rubber performs GREAT. It has a very grippy topsheet and you can really feel like you can close the face and just whip through the ball. In this aspect of closing the face of the racket to brush, it performs better than Rhyzer 50 on the BH.

I found Punch shots for DNA H are better than Rhyzer 50 or T05.

BH flicks are very good since the grippy topsheet really grabs the plastic ball well..I'd say more safety(spin/dwell) with DNA H, whereas Rhyzer 50 is very direct but you need to be more precise. I'd also prefer DNA H for BH flicks vs T05.

Short game on BH is similar to Rhyzer 50 in the sense on softer shots I don't feel any huge bounce/catapult. It's easy to keep balls short and with that nice topsheet grip you can really push/brush thin and deep and low to opponents corner.

BH loops against backspin is still an adjustment area. Very easy to do slow spinny open-ups...but I'm still trying to find the sweet spot on doing very aggressive opening BH loops low and deep. My initial feeling is that you need to close the face more and let that grippy topsheet to the work.

anjoooo
11-29-2019, 03:13 AM
I have been playing with the Pro M rubber on my forehand for a few days now. I usually use Rasanter R47 or MX-P. Pro M seems to be pretty comparable to both of these rubbers. I like it on my forehand. I think its slightly slower than both R47 and MX-P. The grip appears to be about the same, however, the topsheet seems ever so slightly tackier than R47 and MX-P. It really didn't take me long at all to get used to it.

Januta
12-04-2019, 05:24 PM
Guys do not bother yourselves Stiga Dna h is same as Xiom omega 7 asia from esn manufacturer. Today i came to this concl7sion when tested my stiga dna h

yogi_bear
12-04-2019, 11:41 PM
Guys do not bother yourselves Stiga Dna h is same as Xiom omega 7 asia from esn manufacturer. Today i came to this concl7sion when tested my stiga dna h
No it is not

yogi_bear
12-04-2019, 11:42 PM
I'm thinking yogi_bear might be reading my reply to Bryan thinking I am talking about Stiga DNA Pro...which Pro is just part of the name.

But I was referring to Joola Rhyzer Pro 45 (or 50)--- here the 'Pro' refers to a different topsheet to Rhyzer 48/43
20197

Hopefully this talk of Rhyzer doesn't derail the DNA Pro thread ;)

Talking about the DNA with the Pro name.

Januta
12-05-2019, 06:16 AM
No it is not

I do not want to argue with you or persuade you about smth.

These 2 rubbers are very much the same. I used to play with omega 7 asia i and know this rubber. yesterday i played with Stiga dna h and can say that these 2 rubbers are almost the same. Speed, control, weight, block, spin, grip, etc. I do not say it is bad. Actually i had a positive feedback about stiga since asia is very good rubber too. Plus both are produced be ESN...

GusShnaps
12-05-2019, 12:47 PM
Sorry, one more question:

Even though there's been only a couple months since DNA's release, does anyone have any idea of how is its durability (if it rips easily and for how much time it remains spinny)?
In the Stiga website, they say: "The rubber is also optimised for the ABS ball, and thanks to the combination of natural and synthetic rubber, it is considerably more durable than previous generations of table tennis rubbers."
Does that mean the DNA is more durable than Mantra as well?

yogi_bear
12-05-2019, 12:54 PM
I gave my DNA H to 2 competition players who practice everyday and the rubber has promising durability. The rubbers still has good amount of spin even after a month of continues playing

piligrim
12-07-2019, 07:27 PM
Does this rubber shrink like Evolution rubbers?

Zoltan
12-07-2019, 08:02 PM
Hi yogi bear!Thank you for your help, I tried DNA M, I really like it, as good as controllable as Valmo.Both rubbers have innerforce zlc, very good control! The DNA has a lot more power away from the table. Thanks for the exact tests now I have two fantastic rackets!

raazzz
12-13-2019, 09:26 AM
Hi yogi bear!Thank you for your help, I tried DNA M, I really like it, as good as controllable as Valmo.Both rubbers have innerforce zlc, very good control! The DNA has a lot more power away from the table. Thanks for the exact tests now I have two fantastic rackets!

Do you boost the DNA rubbers?

yogi_bear
12-13-2019, 09:28 AM
You should not boost new esn rubbers. Only after a month.

yogi_bear
12-13-2019, 09:31 AM
Januta, no you are wrong. The O7A has a harder sponge and topsheet than the DNA H. The O7A has 52.5 degrees hardness while DNA H has 50 degrees. Even by just that, they are already different.

gekogark1212
08-20-2020, 01:25 AM
I have DNA M 2.1 and Nexxus EL Pro 48 max that I will put on my Acoustic soon. I can report back later.

Anything come from this?

trumpet_guy
08-20-2020, 02:52 AM
Anything come from this?

I decided, instead, to put these rubbers on a Victas ZX-Gear In blade.
Both rubbers work well on this blade.

I would say that the Nexxus EL Pro 48 has a more powerful feeling, easy to spin, but is spin sensitive. It is my forehand rubber on this blad.
The DNA M doesn't feel as alive and powerful to me, and it's not a spin monster. But, it's good blocking rubber, with good control.
The GEWO is more fun to play with, for me.

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