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nivekkan
10-13-2019, 01:14 PM
Is there any brand that sells non-carcinogenic boosters? I have tried to google it but people mainly focus on whether the amount of such chemical is detectable or not, instead of the existence of it. I don't care about the ITTF shit and how little there is. I just want to know if there is any booster that won't give you cancer by not using ANY mutagen.

I assume baby oil is a way to do it since it is meant to be put on to a baby so it's hard to imagine that it would cause cancer. However, I want to know if you know or are using any table-tennis-specific boosters that meet the conditions mentioned above.

Many thanks for any info. ;););)

igorponger
10-13-2019, 02:14 PM
Сhina-made Dianchi, SeeMoon boosters are known to be oily compounds as mostly used in footwear industry. Mineral oils derived from a crude petroleums/
Flamable. Extreme Toxicity/
Be happy.

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 02:27 PM
Сhina-made Dianchi, SeeMoon boosters are known to be oily compounds as mostly used in footwear industry. Mineral oils derived from a crude petroleums/
Flamable. Extreme Toxicity/
Be happy.

Ya...ah? I don't know about that:rolleyes:seems contradictory to me.

yogi_bear
10-13-2019, 05:39 PM
Baby oil is not enough as it has been refined too much that the voc contents it has do not give that much effect alone.

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 06:10 PM
Baby oil is not ebough as it has been refined too much that the voc contents it has do not give that much effect alone.

If even you can't give a booster that is not harmful. Then, I suppose I will stay away from any boosted rubbers or boosters now.

Hamasaki_Fanz
10-13-2019, 06:51 PM
If even you can't give a booster that is not harmful. Then, I suppose I will stay away from any boosted rubbers or boosters now.

little did you know, that all rubbers are boosted hahaha

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 07:14 PM
little did you know, that all rubbers are boosted hahaha
really? You mean ALL? is it confirmed? or is it one of those things that everyone have a guts-feeling that it is true?

Well, if it is, let it sit for a month before gluing, I guess?

Andre74
10-13-2019, 07:55 PM
All rubbers with sponge should be banned and we should return to the hard bat!

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 08:25 PM
All rubbers with sponge should be banned and we should return to the hard bat!
I mean it is legal... So do that if it makes you happy. Otherwise Good joke

vik2000
10-13-2019, 08:40 PM
OP, you can stick to classic rubbers like Mark V .

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 08:53 PM
OP, you can stick to classic rubbers like Mark V .
What about Hurricane 3 provincial or commercial no boost? Some say you can play plain. Some say you have to boost to use it.
I don't think they are factory tuned.

Andre74
10-13-2019, 09:05 PM
I mean it is legal... So do that if it makes you happy. Otherwise Good joke

Joking of course. But I do love the idea of playing with hard bats, no more stressing out that my fh loops are no spinny..the revenge of the flat hitters that would be.

nivekkan
10-13-2019, 09:16 PM
Joking of course. But I do love the idea of playing with hard bats, no more stressing out that my fh loops are no spinny..the revenge of the flat hitters that would be.

I actually tried that a few times when I was in primary school. I ripped the rubber and sponge off of my first dirt cheap premade and played with the bare wood blade. I remembered that it made my strokes weird when I got rid of it and switched to the second premade that was new at the time.

Andre74
10-13-2019, 10:32 PM
I started TT when I was a child and (80’s) my friends were all into their Siga (premade of course) 2-3-4-5 stars, depending on how affluent their family were.. one older boy had a squared 4 stars one that I really liked. I had a Stiga too but I kept going back to my dad’s racket, a Slazenger pips out with no sponge, oversized but with a short handle, white leather grip, and blue rubber.. I loved that thing and it was great for smashing, although the wood was falling apart! That’s my only memory of hard bats.

Baal
10-14-2019, 03:23 AM
I teach at a medical school. My guess is that they are probably reasonably safe but we cant say for sure because the formulations are proprietary secrets. Compared to speed glue the effects are so minimal that it's not worth the effort with European or Japanese made rubbers that I use. Hurricane is probably a different situation. People say you need to boost it. Forvthecwsy I play it sucks no matter what.

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 10:11 AM
People say you need to boost it. Forvthecwsy I play it sucks no matter what.

Yah:rolleyes: I know. People say that but do you agree? Am I significantly compromising the function by not boosting?
And I didn't get your last sentence. Can you say it again please?

zeio
10-14-2019, 11:36 AM
No. Sunlight is carcinogenic. Drinking water is carcinogenic (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326423.php).

I'll play Captain Obvious here. We live in an environment filled with pathogens, allergens, mutagens...

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 11:55 AM
No. Sunlight is carcinogenic. Drinking water is carcinogenic (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326423.php).

I'll play Captain Obvious here. We live in an environment filled with pathogens, allergens, mutagens...

You do have the risk of falling to death if you stand up but that's life. Table tennis is not life. It's a hoppy to me. I'm not a pro player so can live without table tennis. I don't want to take extra risks from just a hobby so that's my reason which you seems to be interested in. If you are willing to take the risk, I'm not telling you how to live your life, that's your choice.:)

zeio
10-14-2019, 12:01 PM
Great example there. I have a clubmate who is paranoid like you here and another clubmate once told him right in the face "係敢行路都會仆街死。"

JustANoob
10-14-2019, 12:18 PM
You do have the risk of falling to death if you stand up but that's life. Table tennis is not life. It's a hoppy to me. I'm not a pro player so can live without table tennis. I don't want to take extra risks from just a hobby so that's my reason which you seems to be interested in. If you are willing to take the risk, I'm not telling you how to live your life, that's your choice.:)

Well lets look at it like that, sunlight can be bad so we have sunscreen, if you want to boost, maybe get a gas mask and after you are done with the process leave the rubber in some ventilated space where you dont spend most of your time ( dont leave them on a table next to your bed or something). Maybe get Falco if you are worried about the asian brands.

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 12:23 PM
Great example there. I have a clubmate who is paranoid like you here and another clubmate once told him right in the face "係敢行路都會仆街死。"
I wouldn't consider myself as being paranoid which would mean that I have a fear a delusional degree. The level of word needs to be toned down abit. But you can say that IYO that I'm too worried which I cannot prove you wrong. Likewise, you can't prove that boosters are safe/no safe to an accurate degree so you can't prove me wrong either. Until you can do that, we should stop beating a dead horse and move on from this topic

Baal
10-14-2019, 01:24 PM
A reasonable precaution if you are worried would be to wear nitrile gloves. Boosterz aren't volatile by design so you really don't need to worry about breathing it.

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 01:52 PM
Well lets look at it like that, sunlight can be bad so we have sunscreen, if you want to boost, maybe get a gas mask and after you are done with the process leave the rubber in some ventilated space where you dont spend most of your time ( dont leave them on a table next to your bed or something). Maybe get Falco if you are worried about the asian brands.

Isn't the chemicals continuously evaporating in a course of weeks/months by design to keep the sponge expanded? Obviously, the concentration is highest when you open the bottle of boosters and applying it. So it seems like the least I can do is to wear gloves, mask and keep the bat ventilated when not in use, if I do boost in the future. But what about when you use it? You think the amount that reaches you is so infinitesimally small that you can call it none or it is still there?



A reasonable precaution if you are worried would be to wear nitrile gloves. Boosterz aren't volatile by design so you really don't need to worry about breathing it.
Isn't the "things" that keep the sponge tensioned/ expanded the VOCs? VOCs are volatile right? No? :confused:

bobpuls
10-14-2019, 03:22 PM
Grrrr guys you are so... Hm how to say it nice.....
I just boosting my tg2 with my bare hand and I do not wear glowes and I'm sleeping next to it.... In other corner im preparing great Ryb Eye steak... What is more carcinogenic?

zeio
10-14-2019, 04:03 PM
Red meat is nothing compared to Category 1 carcinogens.

https://gmoanswers.com/sites/default/files/IARC_Carcinogenic_Classification.png

JustANoob
10-14-2019, 04:10 PM
Working as a barber ... All of my wut, considering wood dust maybe its because of the possible small hair particles ? Hair products ?

zeio
10-14-2019, 04:14 PM
I wouldn't consider myself as being paranoid which would mean that I have a fear a delusional degree. The level of word needs to be toned down abit. But you can say that IYO that I'm too worried which I cannot prove you wrong. Likewise, you can't prove that boosters are safe/no safe to an accurate degree so you can't prove me wrong either. Until you can do that, we should stop beating a dead horse and move on from this topic

Don't get so worked up here. That's a real-life conversation that happened in a "locker room talk."

You can't get triggered here when you intrigue people with these thought-provoking threads. I mean I tried real hard to steer the FH vs BH power thread back on track but it was sadly abandoned.

Brs
10-14-2019, 05:01 PM
Maybe boost, you know, outside? Where the air moves about. Unless you live in London or Beijing, or Mexico City or LA, or any other major city. Then you are probably better off sniffing the booster inside than going for a walk in the park. Except indoor air quality is often even worse than outside because we fill our homes with chemicals.

Bottom line: we are all going to die one day. Boosting or not boosting isn't going to change that in any way.

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 05:50 PM
Don't get so worked up here. That's a real-life conversation that happened in a "locker room talk."

You can't get triggered here when you intrigue people with these thought-provoking threads. I mean I tried real hard to steer the FH vs BH power thread back on track but it was sadly abandoned.

I don't agree that I'm angry. You said nothing that is rude. Please don't give me these guesses of "what I think you are thinking/feeling is xxxxx".

You took it as me "intriguing" you. I don't intend to provoke anyone. I just want to know some information about
(1)non-harmful boosters/boosting
(2)affect on playing with rubbers with no boosting

Again, we don't need to agree on everything to discuss a topic. I understand that you think that I worried too much. I disagree. But I don't think your idea is stupid. I didn't say you are bad as a person. I'm not here to specifically hurt you.(although you cannot prove you are right with evidence so far).
We just respectfully disagree. That's all !:eek:
Why do we have to be so divisive? why do we have to be like
Ah! you have different opinion! We are fighting now!

why?

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 05:56 PM
Maybe boost, you know, outside? Where the air moves about. Unless you live in London or Beijing, or Mexico City or LA, or any other major city. Then you are probably better off sniffing the booster inside than going for a walk in the park. Except indoor air quality is often even worse than outside because we fill our homes with chemicals.

Bottom line: we are all going to die one day. Boosting or not boosting isn't going to change that in any way.

Cool:cool:. That sure is one thing you should do if you have to boost. Just go out to boost or take a walk

nivekkan
10-14-2019, 05:59 PM
Working as a barber ... All of my wut, considering wood dust maybe its because of the possible small hair particles ? Hair products ?

I would boost any day of the week if I'm a pro player. Just saying

Baal
10-15-2019, 01:25 AM
They are very slightly volatile and in contrast to speed glue it is probably not why they work.

But to be honest and with no disrespect intended, given the questions you ask, I doubt it is something you need to be dealing with.

nivekkan
10-15-2019, 06:16 AM
I mean you are the professional so I guess it's true that its a very very low risk to play with boosted rubbers. I'll try to play my next rubber unboosted first though. If I really want the boosting, then I'll boost. Thx:o

zeio
10-15-2019, 10:05 AM
Honestly, I can't believe the OP has lived in Hong Kong. He/she sounds like Greta Thunberg.


https://youtu.be/SBd6Uj_AGX8?t=275

nivekkan
10-15-2019, 10:48 AM
Honestly, I can't believe the OP has lived in Hong Kong. He/she sounds like Greta Thunberg.


https://youtu.be/SBd6Uj_AGX8?t=275

I like your post with the carcinogen level graph which is the point of this thread (i.e. it's on track). We can talk about the amount of risks involved in boosting.

However, I'm not here to mainly discuss about philosophy or the correct way to live our life. Put it simply, I don't need you to tell me that I'm too careful or taking too little risks. It's a matter of choice,instead of right or wrong so no fruitful result will come out of this argument.
That's the bottom line.

If you want to stay on track. You are more than welcomed. I would like that to happen.

I'm from HK obviously as you have seen from my profile. I have nothing to prove to you. Believe it if you want or don't.

JustANoob
10-15-2019, 11:52 AM
Honestly, I can't believe the OP has lived in Hong Kong. He/she sounds like Greta Thunberg.

Its surprising that you are so annoyed with OP being interested in preserving his health.

zeio
10-15-2019, 12:12 PM
Its surprising that you are so annoyed with OP being interested in preserving his health.

Seriously, I'm afraid of getting "too" old.

http://www.asahicom.jp/ajw/articles/images/AS20190731002219_comm.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DuK_1wvqG4

JustANoob
10-15-2019, 12:29 PM
Seriously, I'm afraid of getting "too" old.

Pointless worry, you can always go to a country where its legal and get assistance if you are that afraid of old age.

UpSideDownCarl
10-15-2019, 12:31 PM
Nivekkan, sometimes you have to not respond to certain things. When I see someone who has opened a thread and they try to answer almost every post from anyone who posted in their thread, it makes me wonder why they think that would be okay. I have watched you do that in pretty much every thread you have opened.

And it seems to me that you are totally misunderstanding what Zeio is saying and it seems you are turning it into an argument when it should not have been.

Don't respond to the stuff you don't fully understand. It is not a good habit to do that. It often looks like poor form when a thread has one person making 50% of the comments. So I would resist the urge to respond to things that are going to cause you to become argumentative if I was you. If you think someone is being rude to you, step back and see if there is another way of understanding what they are saying. But resist the urge to argue. It will be worthwhile for you to resist the urge to respond those kinds of comments.

You are very positive and enthusiastic. But I don't think you want to go too far in that direction and turn that into a thing that is not positive.

Next subject:


Forvthecwsy I play it sucks no matter what.

I will edit the typo: "For the way I play it sucks no matter what."

In other words, Baal is saying H3 is not a good rubber for him no matter what you do to it.

But to answer your question about whether you can play H3 without boosting it:

YES. You can play H3 without boosting it. But is it worth using if it is not boosted? I guess that depends on each separate person. But I would tend to feel that I don't like it boosted unless it is REALLY boosted a lot. And I still don't like it too much then. But I really do not like it if it is not boosted.

But sure you can play with it. I mean, people play with hardbat and with sandpaper rackets, so of course you can play with unboosted H3.

Usually what you use and like is a personal preference. But it is also, to some extent conditioned on what you are already used to using. So, if you used a sandpaper racket and tried unboosted H3, you would think it was quite fast and springy. If you used T05 and tried unboosted H3 you would think it felt like there was cardboard under the top sheet instead of a sponge. Said differently, to someone who is used to T05 unboosted H3 would feel slow and very unresponsive.

But your profile says you are using one of the "Nitakku H3" versions. How does that work for you?

Last thing: people make a big fuss about equipment. But it is really not that important. Whatever you use, you get used to. And training and practice are much more important for developing skills than what equipment you are using.

Focus on training. Don't get lost in the desire to try new equipment. And don't respond to every post. Choose the ones that are useful to respond to. Otherwise your threads will end up in the kinds of downward spirals you created here while not understanding what Zeio was saying.

igorponger
10-15-2019, 02:24 PM
THE MAGIC OIL BATH

China Building Materials Research Institute employee, my fellow engineer, would told me

DHS rubber factory uses a sort of chemical bath. At the end of thermo-curing process we would get blue sponge with 44 hardness degree by Shore A. We call it Provincial grade sponge. It is really solid, poor-springiness product to be sold at cheap.

Then, we do some upgrade on the blue sponge by dipping the sponge large-size plate into mineral oil bath for a hour. And thus we have an improved product with a better playing performance and softer sponge of 37 - 40 degree. We call it National grade sponge, to supply to elite domestic players.

JustANoob
10-15-2019, 03:43 PM
THE MAGIC OIL BATH

China Building Materials Research Institute employee, my fellow engineer, would told me


Note to self, drown H3N sponge in mineral oil for an hour when done with it, for the lolz.

I am well aware its not gonna be the same but hey at least I'll have something funny to post on the forum.

nivekkan
10-16-2019, 12:26 PM
Choose the ones that are useful to respond to.
good life advice.



Last thing: people make a big fuss about equipment. But it is really not that important. Whatever you use, you get used to. And training and practice are much more important for developing skills than what equipment you are using.
good table tennis advice.


But your profile says you are using one of the "Nitakku H3" versions. How does that work for you?

As you said, I have only used Nittaku H3 so I don't have a reference to tell how good this rubber is in comparison to others. As as result, I can only and perhaps ought to adapt to what I have. Well, technically I used TG2, H2 and H3 from my old premades as well(all DHS) but that was a long time ago so I don't remember.

As long as they don't have catastrophic failures or are not wore out, I will keep them. However, I think they are factory boosted, which as you can tell was concerning me a bit. When the nittaku H3 becomes old, I think I'll try the DHS H3(may be provincial or commercial? but not national) to see what an unboosted H3 is like. If I like it. Then I can no longer concern about boosting ever but even If I don't like it, I think I can get use to it and eventually like it. If I REALLY don't like unboosted H3, I'll decided what to do when the time comes.

Why H3? Because this is the closest non-boosted rubber I can find to what I'm using so I think the transition would be easier.