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Dan
01-08-2020, 04:27 PM
Hey guys, and we're back with another review! Here's our latest rubber review of the new Rasanter R53 rubber by andro!

The hardness race is on as manufacturers begin to release harder rubbers! This one comes in at 53 degrees!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQn4MKT2M4

The R53 comes in at 53 degrees! What hardness do you prefer?

Brs
01-08-2020, 06:06 PM
Watching a couple of your reviews with the sound off and the rallies look exactly the same. The blocker never sends every ball off the table because there is so much extra spin or speed.

If I didn't know better I'd think changing equipment makes very little difference.

Airoc
01-08-2020, 07:49 PM
The R53 comes in at 53 degrees! What hardness do you prefer?

Personally, after testing the R53, I´ll stick to R47.

Weirdly enough, R53 didn´t feel as hard as some of the R50 I have come across.

But it is a rubber that needs a better player to be fully activated, so I can save on the extra money (over here, 10 Euro more than R47).

In the hands of those better players (at least the ones I have practiced with), the spin IS more than that of t05 - so they say.

ronz91
01-08-2020, 08:19 PM
Unfortunate title

P1ngP0ng3r
01-08-2020, 08:30 PM
Unfortunate title
This. :D :D

Hysteresis
01-08-2020, 08:47 PM
This. :D :D

What? Are you guys not aroused by the rubber?

From what I've seen of people's reaction to the r53 on this forum so far, the title might actually be accurate :p

RidTheKid
01-08-2020, 09:39 PM
Maybe not the hardness they're looking for?


What? Are you guys not aroused by the rubber?

From what I've seen of people's reaction to the r53 on this forum so far, the title might actually be accurate :p

ronz91
01-08-2020, 09:49 PM
If it's hard you're going to need a rubber

Hysteresis
01-08-2020, 10:00 PM
Maybe not the hardness they're looking for?

You're not accusing them of 20532 are you? :p

lasta
01-09-2020, 04:39 AM
Extra thin topsheet gives the best ball feel.

guni4you
01-09-2020, 05:22 AM
Really?Why is that?
Extra thin topsheet gives the best ball feel.

RidTheKid
01-09-2020, 06:35 AM
Well this escalated quickly.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-09-2020, 07:42 AM
Butterfly has stopped producing SpinArt which was my BH rubber (black 2.1mm) and the rubber with its hardest sponge. i'm looking for replacement.

I was thinking about Dignics80 (1.9mm to compensate for the extra speed).
How would you think about Andro Rasanter R53 ? I was thinking also Mizuno Q5.

I think BH is my stronger shot. I stay near the table and play with quick timing with a short stroke, but i can make also slow very spinny opening loops, or flicks, and agressive blocking is very easy as well.

Cheers

Bilge Dogan
01-09-2020, 09:48 AM
I have tested R53 2.0 at my FH. I guess R53 2.0 will fit your BH if you are used to hard rubbers.

TTLOVE
01-09-2020, 09:51 AM
Personally, after testing the R53, I´ll stick to R47.

Weirdly enough, R53 didn´t feel as hard as some of the R50 I have come across.

But it is a rubber that needs a better player to be fully activated, so I can save on the extra money (over here, 10 Euro more than R47).

In the hands of those better players (at least the ones I have practiced with), the spin IS more than that of t05 - so they say.
So do you recommend R53 instead of R50? I tried R47 and I really like it, I was thinking to try R50, but now R53 is available I don't know which of the 2 would be good.

yoass
01-09-2020, 09:55 AM
Butterfly has stopped producing SpinArt which was my BH rubber (black 2.1mm) and the rubber with its hardest sponge. i'm looking for replacement.

I'm dabbling with R53 (at 2.0mm) at the moment. It's ok, to me, but no glorious revelation; in fact, I'm not convinced on my success rate in picking it in a blindfold test (as it were) against my previous FH rubber, Gold Arc 8 at 50º. For me, though, R53 is controllable and feels dependable, whereas R47, to a lesser extent V47, and R50 did not. I couldn't manage the bounce of these, but have more of a click with R53's power curve.

The one thing I do note — but that was true for GA8 as well — and that Dan notes too: amazing spin levels at full-out strokes, less so on slow and spinny openings. You see that in the rallies; both Tom and Dan have no trouble blocking openups, but do get pressured (and sometimes overshoot) by consecutive, more powerful, second position loops. Remarkable, by the way, how Dan and Tom have grown as players these last few years; I think this is the highest play level I've seen from them in an equipment review video. Well done!

Takkyu, how about Neo H3? Probably not as hard as SpinArt, but it's the closest thing I can think of in other aspects. T05H also comes to mind, but I would think that one has a very different feel and different needs in terms of playing style and technique.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-09-2020, 10:04 AM
not tried T05H.
I just managed to order SpinArt from Butterfly France, their last 5 sheets. But I'm not going there for a while. So I need to change anyway. I think I'll stick with Dignics. Q5 has also a nice feeling but I think Dignics80 is a bit harder and faster. But if I have the chance, i'll definitely try the Rasanter R53

TTLOVE
01-09-2020, 10:07 AM
not tried T05H.
I just managed to order SpinArt from Butterfly France, their last 5 sheets. But I'm not going there for a while. So I need to change anyway. I think I'll stick with Dignics. Q5 has also a nice feeling but I think Dignics80 is a bit harder and faster. But if I have the chance, i'll definitely try the Rasanter R53
Why don't you try Omega VII hyper?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-09-2020, 10:14 AM
I'm not an EJ, and I am not so well informed. I live in Japan so i know better the rubbers which are popular here. and i have had the chance to try for free the Dignics80 and Q5 a little bit. I know the feeling is a bit similar. I have been advised by my coach to use Dignics80 with 1.9mm else i might have problems with my block as its very fast and my blade is fast as well.

lasta
01-09-2020, 10:29 AM
Butterfly has stopped producing SpinArt which was my BH rubber (black 2.1mm) and the rubber with its hardest sponge. i'm looking for replacement.

I was thinking about Dignics80 (1.9mm to compensate for the extra speed).
How would you think about Andro Rasanter R53 ? I was thinking also Mizuno Q5.

I think BH is my stronger shot. I stay near the table and play with quick timing with a short stroke, but i can make also slow very spinny opening loops, or flicks, and agressive blocking is very easy as well.

Cheers

Been a few years since I had a sheet of Spinart, but its medium hard tacky right? Have you tried the Tibhar K1? Haven't tried the original, but I have the K1 Plus now. It is good, maybe harder compared to Spinart.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-09-2020, 11:11 AM
Hard tacky

Airoc
01-09-2020, 02:55 PM
I was thinking to try R50, but now R53 is available I don't know which of the 2 would be good.

It is difficult to say. I was very surprised that R53 didn´t feel as hard as you´d expect and from my memory it felt better than R50.

But then, no two rubbers are the same and if I´ve come across R50 harder than their nominal 50 and an R53 that feels like 51 degrees it might be a different experience for you, and normally a rubber shouldn´t feel three degress softer with the same topsheet.

If you get a chance, try them both.

yogi_bear
01-09-2020, 03:41 PM
Most of the rubbers that are in that hardness range tend to have softer topsheets to compensate for the surface grip and rebound in spinning the ball.

lasta
01-09-2020, 04:03 PM
Yogi is right, I hope manufacturers start labelling the top sheet hardness as well.

IMO the top sheet makes a much bigger difference in feel than the sponge.

Haven't tried any Rasanters but the DNA h with 50 sponge feels way harder than the Omega 7 Asia at 52.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-10-2020, 07:23 AM
discussed today with another coach

for a hard sponge tacky rubber, in replacement of SpinArt,

he recommended TIBHAR K1J Hybrid

or YASAKA 翔龍 (SHORYU) https://www.kokusaitakkyu.com/shopdetail/000000006622/ct1350/page1/order/
[for info, JIN Takuya is using this YASAKA rubber on both sides]

He said Dignics80 is much faster than SpinArt and there is a lot of risk of putting the ball off the table. But i told him that i'd go for 1.9mm instead of 2.1mm and said maybe its ok then.

yoass
01-10-2020, 08:41 AM
YASAKA 翔龍 (SHORYU) https://www.kokusaitakkyu.com/shopdetail/000000006622/ct1350/page1/order/
[for info, JIN Takuya is using this YASAKA rubber on both sides]

That's more commonly known as Rising Dragon, right? A lot softer than SpinArt, but also moderately fast, very spinny and somewhat tacky.

Airoc
01-10-2020, 08:45 AM
IMO the top sheet makes a much bigger difference in feel than the sponge.

I´d say it´s the interplay between them that gives an overall feeling.

So yes, an additional rating for topsheet hardness, going from soft to hard+ or something could be helpful.
In exact degrees it just would make people even more crazy ;)