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Dan
01-27-2020, 05:38 PM
Hey guys, and we're back with another review! Here's our latest review of the new Vega X rubber by XIOM!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xtako6kDG0

Have you tried it yet?

yogi_bear
01-27-2020, 05:41 PM
Spot on review. Many who have tried the Vega X really love it and it surprised people with its performance.

Dream2K
01-27-2020, 08:13 PM
I always enjoy your reviews.

I only wish that Dan could speak English. 85% speed and 9?% spin compared to 7Pro. I am guessing he said 90%.

Does it play similarly to Hexer PowerGrip?

Zaid323918
01-27-2020, 08:36 PM
Now we need a one set showdown between Fan Zhendong and Fan Zhendan.

Arkady
01-27-2020, 09:13 PM
That was a "review" that I would expect from a complete novice in table tennis.
All I got from the review "Good amount of spin,speed and control for its price"....
No mention whatsoever to arc and trajectory, serving, short game and pushes, dwell time, flat hitting and blocking, chopping etc...
You can do much better than that.

Creek
01-27-2020, 11:10 PM
Always like to watch your clips, Dan, but I also need to say, that previous reviews were a lot more interessting and informative. How about comparisons to other rubbers (you tested so much more than T05, although it is good to have that common fix point). How about arc, catapult, openers, block, smash, etc. ?
The same criticism to the Dignics80 review. This is such a good rubber and or deserves more than „5 things you need to know“...

you can do much better! Hope to see more in next reviews. Wouldn‘t be an arc and speed test with a Robot and a glued rubber on a piece of wood be something for you (like pathfinder pro did in the past)? Would add something rational and unique to your reviews, which, I think, pretty much people would appreciate ;)

virtuososiu
01-27-2020, 11:46 PM
I always enjoy your reviews.
.....
Does it play similarly to Hexer PowerGrip?
:D
I second that! would youse be find enough to compare them? @dan @tom @Yogibear
they are both mid range rubbers that are not marketed to be fastest or spinniest, but good grip and control

virtuososiu
01-27-2020, 11:46 PM
Spot on review. Many who have tried the Vega X really love it and it surprised people with its performance.
would you be able to compare it with Hexer PowerGrip :) thanks in advance

Ioiettino
01-28-2020, 12:49 AM
Tough crowd. I thought the essence was clear enough. The target is obviously a wide audience, and the video seemed to me to answer all of these questions to a good extent. Personal opinion, of course.

yogi_bear
01-28-2020, 03:43 AM
would you be able to compare it with Hexer PowerGrip :) thanks in advance

Sorry have not tried Powergrip.

Der_Echte
01-28-2020, 06:49 AM
What Dan just described is a control oriented middle of the road modern dynamic rubber.

A lot of players can play well with such a rubber. It is a good thing.

lugi2000
01-28-2020, 07:24 AM
I want to try this

yoass
01-28-2020, 07:32 AM
Is it me or am I seeing language inflation at work here?

As an old geezer, a prototypical match for a control rubber would be something like Tackiness D, Sriver FX, Varispin.

Coming from that, a fast, lively and grippy rubber like Vega Pro is a high end offensive rubber, already putting high demands on technique, footwork. High end, but not top end — the insanely fast, speedy, bouncy niche only controllable by the gifted elite few that also enjoy the benefit of a deep support system and have the opportunity and means to make the dedicated training effort over a long period of time.

This inflation is not a good thing, at its core. It gives way to unrealistic expectations, and hence a spiral of negative reinforcement to those lured, understandably because of inflation, into reaching above grasp.

Vega X looks great in Tom and Dan’s gameplay. Level adequate, I’d even say; it’s one of the few, if any, of these where both Dan and Tom showed real deep consistency.

That’s by no means “more lovely, and more temperate” (like a sonnetty summer’s day in Shakespeares cold and wet England), it’s a firecracker I’m seeing here — even though much wilder even stuff does exist. Let’s not go overboard.

Thudds
01-28-2020, 07:58 AM
Can anyone suggest a good blade for this Rubber along the 50-100$ range?

yoass
01-28-2020, 08:00 AM
Can anyone suggest a good blade for this Rubber along the 50-100$ range?

Treiber CI.

Airoc
01-28-2020, 10:22 AM
No mention whatsoever to arc and trajectory, serving, short game and pushes, dwell time, flat hitting and blocking, chopping

But isn´t a video review quasi ideal for you to see most of this yourself?

I find this conclusion very worthwile:

"Good amount of spin,speed and control for its price"

For a budget rubber, it´s really good, but don´t expect it to rival the top of the range. Fair enough.
In this respect, I value XIOM´s own positioning of Vega and Omega series.
Unlike some guys on a German forum who praise the X to be on a par with newest Dignics, as if ESN was going to let go of top technology for little money to XIOM, with all due respect.

Rwisniewski
01-28-2020, 10:27 AM
I've played Vega Pro for a long time. Today I'm gonna try Vega X for the first time and I have a lot of expectations ;) I hope it will be a good change :)

yoass
01-28-2020, 10:41 AM
I would like a word or two on how X and Pro stack up.

Rwisniewski
01-28-2020, 12:18 PM
I would like a word or two on how X and Pro stack up.

Ok, after today's traning session I will able to say smth more about those two rubbers :)

epicfacepalm
01-28-2020, 01:29 PM
Tough crowd. I thought the essence was clear enough. The target is obviously a wide audience, and the video seemed to me to answer all of these questions to a good extent. Personal opinion, of course.

Indeed, I thought the review got most of the main points across. Don't think Dan's ever made reviews where he gets a robot to shoot a ball at a static bat to compare throw angles. Frankly, that'd be pretty boring - clearly that's not Dan's style, and this is reflected in his channel's popularity.


Is it me or am I seeing language inflation at work here?

As an old geezer, a prototypical match for a control rubber would be something like Tackiness D, Sriver FX, Varispin.

Coming from that, a fast, lively and grippy rubber like Vega Pro is a high end offensive rubber, already putting high demands on technique, footwork. High end, but not top end — the insanely fast, speedy, bouncy niche only controllable by the gifted elite few that also enjoy the benefit of a deep support system and have the opportunity and means to make the dedicated training effort over a long period of time.

This inflation is not a good thing, at its core. It gives way to unrealistic expectations, and hence a spiral of negative reinforcement to those lured, understandably because of inflation, into reaching above grasp.

Vega X looks great in Tom and Dan’s gameplay. Level adequate, I’d even say; it’s one of the few, if any, of these where both Dan and Tom showed real deep consistency.

That’s by no means “more lovely, and more temperate” (like a sonnetty summer’s day in Shakespeares cold and wet England), it’s a firecracker I’m seeing here — even though much wilder even stuff does exist. Let’s not go overboard.

A bit of an OK Boomer moment here. Tackiness, Mark V, Sriver etc. are very outdated these days. I'm really not sure who buys them at all - I'm surprised that the Tackiness range hasn't already been discontinued, but perhaps it doesn't cost Butterfly too much to make them.

The game has moved on substantially, with the reduced spin of the plastic ball accelerating this change in the last five or so years. Research and development has enabled us to get faster and spinnier rubbers like Dignics, Omega, etc. This relegates rubbers that were once considered high end to be now mid-range, like Vega and Baracuda. Vega X is a slight development of Vega Pro, but they're now marketing it in a different way because they have the Omega range.

Marko
01-28-2020, 02:20 PM
Can anyone suggest a good blade for this Rubber along the 50-100$ range?

What are you looking for, off, all? Do you want carbon or all wood blade? You shoud specify more on these details.

yoass
01-28-2020, 02:47 PM
A bit of an OK Boomer moment here. Tackiness, Mark V, Sriver etc. are very outdated these days.

Not disputing that. But (dismissals aside), that wasn't the point. Perhaps these examples were, indeed, a bit outlandish - although it should be noted that even now Mark V and Sriver are offensive rubbers, albeit moderate ones (not sayin' nothin about Tackiness D or, heaven forgive, C here). Give them to a beginning player and see what happens...

Other rubbers exist, well within that "modern control oriented middle of the road" class — Xiom Musa, Vega Intro, Stiga Evo, Tibhar Rapid, Gewo Neoflexx FT40, Nexy Karis M, that list goes on and on.

But I do maintain that framing rubbers like Rasanter, Rakza 7, Vega Pro as "control oriented MOR" skews reality. They're hot to handle, require considerable skill to use consistently. They're not the outer ditches, but they're not middle of the road either. That's what I'm saying, boomer or no boomer, ok? :cool:

vvk1
01-28-2020, 02:58 PM
Indeed, I thought the review got most of the main points across. Don't think Dan's ever made reviews where he gets a robot to shoot a ball at a static bat to compare throw angles. Frankly, that'd be pretty boring - clearly that's not Dan's style, and this is reflected in his channel's popularity.



A bit of an OK Boomer moment here. Tackiness, Mark V, Sriver etc. are very outdated these days. I'm really not sure who buys them at all - I'm surprised that the Tackiness range hasn't already been discontinued, but perhaps it doesn't cost Butterfly too much to make them.

The game has moved on substantially, with the reduced spin of the plastic ball accelerating this change in the last five or so years. Research and development has enabled us to get faster and spinnier rubbers like Dignics, Omega, etc. This relegates rubbers that were once considered high end to be now mid-range, like Vega and Baracuda. Vega X is a slight development of Vega Pro, but they're now marketing it in a different way because they have the Omega range.

There are plenty of "boomers" hailing from speed-glue era who've been well coached in their youth and who can still generate enough speed and spin even with the classics. And they are paranoid about losing touch and and control in the short game and so won't touch tensors or tenergy. Put it this way, technique trumps equipment.

Airoc
01-28-2020, 03:37 PM
And they are paranoid about losing touch and and control in the short game

Oh, not only in the short game, all over the game ...

Happened to me when I was young, I played an agressive game with allround blade and 1,5 mm rubbers. Heaven forbid trying 2.0.
In retrospect, and looking at how my game has changed after a long break with thicker tensor rubbers (I gained "control", since I gained options - control isn´t just lack of speed, as even manufacturers would have you think), someone should´ve encouraged me to try thickers rubbers and even speed-glueing back then.
It might have benefitted my game.

epicfacepalm
01-28-2020, 03:58 PM
Not disputing that. But (dismissals aside), that wasn't the point. Perhaps these examples were, indeed, a bit outlandish - although it should be noted that even now Mark V and Sriver are offensive rubbers, albeit moderate ones (not sayin' nothin about Tackiness D or, heaven forgive, C here). Give them to a beginning player and see what happens...

Other rubbers exist, well within that "modern control oriented middle of the road" class — Xiom Musa, Vega Intro, Stiga Evo, Tibhar Rapid, Gewo Neoflexx FT40, Nexy Karis M, that list goes on and on.

But I do maintain that framing rubbers like Rasanter, Rakza 7, Vega Pro as "control oriented MOR" skews reality. They're hot to handle, require considerable skill to use consistently. They're not the outer ditches, but they're not middle of the road either. That's what I'm saying, boomer or no boomer, ok? :cool:

Agreed on this, Sriver can still be used offensively, to an extent (but you could also say that you can use long pips offensively). I guess it's all relative, where Sriver and Mark V are probably on the least offensive end of the offensive rubber spectrum. That said, I don't necessarily think though that reality is skewed, but it is more that the upper limit has stretched beyond what we might have comprehended when we were introduced to the equipment market and had the spectrum set in our mind.

What these brands have really done with these Musa/Intro/Evo/etc. rubbers though is try to create a new market without Sriver in it. They want you to start with these rubbers, then move to Vega X, then to Omega VII. As consumers, probably the most important thing is to recognise that in making recommendations/decisions.

thomas.pong
01-28-2020, 04:04 PM
I've played Vega Pro for a long time. Today I'm gonna try Vega X for the first time and I have a lot of expectations ;) I hope it will be a good change :)

Let us know what you think between the two.

Thudds
01-28-2020, 04:07 PM
What are you looking for, off, all? Do you want carbon or all wood blade? You shoud specify more on these details.
ALL blade, carbon preferably

epicfacepalm
01-28-2020, 04:09 PM
There are plenty of "boomers" hailing from speed-glue era who've been well coached in their youth and who can still generate enough speed and spin even with the classics. And they are paranoid about losing touch and and control in the short game and so won't touch tensors or tenergy. Put it this way, technique trumps equipment.

Of course technique trumps equipment. But equipment must complement and enable one's technique and game. A junior looper isn't going to get by with plain Sriver with the plastic ball, whereas someone used to the short game of Mark V might not be able to get used to the bounciness of Omega VII.

But for your average club offensive player, which makes up a very large part of the club player market, they're looking upwards in the market - they always tend towards something faster and spinnier. Their shortlist might range from Vega Intro through to Dignics 05. (Notice I started at Vega Intro, not Sriver.)

These 'mid-level' rubbers are trying covering basically everything that falls between Vega Intro and Dignics 05. Since they're not at the beginner or highest-ends of the market, they're quite naturally (in marketing terms) in the mid-range, even if they were upper end previously.

thomas.pong
01-28-2020, 04:11 PM
What are you looking for, off, all? Do you want carbon or all wood blade? You shoud specify more on these details.

Marko, what are you thoughts on Vega X? What thickness are you using? Have you tried Vega Pro before, if so how does X compare to it and other runners you've tried?

Marko
01-28-2020, 04:21 PM
Marko, what are you thoughts on Vega X? What thickness are you using? Have you tried Vega Pro before, if so how does X compare to it and other runners you've tried?

I haven't tried vega pro, but i have tried asia witch is faster but has less spin and control then vega x. Mxp is the same way. I have tried tibhar genius too, the spin is close considering vega x is newer, and the speed is close, vega x a bit faster. I haven't relly tried a lot of other rubbers (pretty new in the sport), hope this helps.
Edit: I have seen some people ask about arc. It is medium, higher than vega asia and lower than mxp in my experiance.

Marko
01-28-2020, 08:05 PM
ALL blade, carbon preferably

Any blade you choose, would reccomend to have some flex, not being too stiff. I dont relly know a lot. You can start a thread if you want, there are some members that will know to tell you more. I was just saying you should be more specific with it.

Thudds
01-28-2020, 08:27 PM
Any blade you choose, would reccomend to have some flex, not being too stiff. I dont relly know a lot. You can start a thread if you want, there are some members that will know to tell you more. I was just saying you should be more specific with it.
Ah ok thanks, i will do that

Ingo_Ger
01-28-2020, 08:58 PM
Honestly, how many of those who say that plastic ball and Sriver/Mark V doesn't work have played this rubber over some period of time? Did any of you really know what it felt like playing with 38mm and speed glue? (I have and to be honest, the rubbers which for me felt like playing speed glued rubbers were Tibhar Sinus and Nimbus so one of the first generation of ESN rubbers)
I'm always amazed how good Stiga Mendo and Mendo Energy play. I always try new blades with those rubbers.

mart1nandersson
01-28-2020, 09:24 PM
Satoshi Aida uses Mark V. Enough said really. He would loop the crap out of 99.9999% of this forum’s user base even though he’s a chopper. It’s an amazing rubber that still can be used at a very high level it the hands of someone with skill.

Airoc
01-28-2020, 09:51 PM
Satoshi Aida uses Mark V. Enough said really.

Wouldn´t that be Mark V HPS, with a massively tuned sponge?

mart1nandersson
01-28-2020, 10:10 PM
Might be true but still miles slower than anything from ESN.

Rwisniewski
01-29-2020, 12:46 PM
OK, I'm after first training with Vega X and I can share my first impressions with You. Xiom claimed that X is a succesor of Vega Pro and it's difficult to disagree with that. I have no problem to switch from VP to VX and after first shots/blocks I felt like I was playing with this rubber for a long time. It shows that parameters of VX and VP are very similar, but... In my opinion VX is slightly faster and has more rotation that older sister ;) At the same time I felt that control was definitely greater and even more accurately than with VP I could put the ball in the place of the table where exactly I wanted. The opening topspins also works very well and opponents had more problems with them. The block with this rubber is amazing. I had impression that VX is less sensitive to the opponent's rotation than VP. However, with serves I generate more spin than with VP. Other elements like controlled shots or push were played with a tons of control. To sum up- I definately stay with Vega X- the younger sister from XIOM :) Rubber creates more possibilities in attack while still maintaning great control. Playing with this rubber is pure pleasure and I think I will stay with it for a long time ;) if You have any questions just ask me ;)

Dream2K
01-29-2020, 02:25 PM
Comparison between X and Powergrip would've made this review much more valuable. The rubbers are at the same price point and have similar weight and hardness. They are also close in speed and spin from what I could surmise. Moreover, Dan just reviewed Powergrip a couple of months back so it should be easy to draw some parallels.

My deep suspicion is that the fear that such comparison would alienate sponsors results in these half-baked reviews.

thomas.pong
01-30-2020, 06:19 PM
For those who've tried Vega X and the following rubbers, how would you compare it to Vega Japan and Rakza 7? Especially in terms of how dynamic, throw angle and spin sensitive comparison. Spin, speed and control also.

Airoc
01-30-2020, 07:54 PM
Playing with this rubber is pure pleasure and I think I will stay with it for a long time ;) if You have any questions just ask me ;)

What I find interesting: according to your signature you play Dignics 80 on the other side. On a German forum, people currently compare Vega X and D80, find them similar and even prefer the Vega, and that just not because of the cheaper price.

You do not seem to think they are similar at all, otherwise you´d probably replace the costly Dignics with Vega X?

I am afraid on the German forum this is hyped by a few people, and while over here Vega Pro is considered a nice enough, controlled rubber, over there some still think it is a useful alternative to tenergy05 (I think maybe up to 50 % of the tenergy´s power quite similar in playing characteristics, but not more).

So tell me please, Dignics80 and Vega X, how many miles apart?

An0n
01-31-2020, 01:19 AM
I have tried the Vega X for a few sessions now (only on FH, max thickness) and I really like it so far. Topsheet is very grippy so it picks up balls well. Has a good amount of spin plus it's quite easy to spin with, not like some of the much harder rubbers that need more of a tennis swing to get a decent amount spin out of it. Balls come down very nicely and don't overshoot as often when I topspin, it had a medium to low arc. Rubber is very linear and it's amazing in the short game, don't think I have tried a modern tensor that is as good as this for the short game. It doesn't have insane amounts of speed but on a powerful stroke it surely isn't slow either. My serves were very spinny and easy to keep short too. Great for blocking, lots of control yet this rubber does give me more confidence to block a bit more actively which is a big plus.

While it's not a high end rubber like Tenergy/Omega VII/MX-P the Vega X has qualities those rubbers do not have especially in terms of control. Speedwise it might fall a bit short but spinwise I think it's nearly up there with the previously mentioned rubbers. I think it's a great rubber to use if you're still developing but it's also a rubber that you could possibly stick with till a pretty high level. I wish I was a better player to confirm that theory though....

yogi_bear
01-31-2020, 05:00 AM
It was designed to be a better Vega Pro but a bit lesser in performance compared to Omega V series.

Rwisniewski
02-05-2020, 09:38 AM
What I find interesting: according to your signature you play Dignics 80 on the other side. On a German forum, people currently compare Vega X and D80, find them similar and even prefer the Vega, and that just not because of the cheaper price.

You do not seem to think they are similar at all, otherwise you´d probably replace the costly Dignics with Vega X?

I am afraid on the German forum this is hyped by a few people, and while over here Vega Pro is considered a nice enough, controlled rubber, over there some still think it is a useful alternative to tenergy05 (I think maybe up to 50 % of the tenergy´s power quite similar in playing characteristics, but not more).

So tell me please, Dignics80 and Vega X, how many miles apart?

Generally, I've been using both Dignics and Xiom for a short time (4 or 5 training sessions). Earlier on bh side I had Xiom Europe and on fh Xiom Vega Pro. Switch from VP to VX was very very easy... One training and done. With Dignics was (and still is) more difficult but I think that hard rubbers are more suitable for me on bh so change was neccessary ;) but change from soft to hard rubber is more "time-consuming" ;) so about Your question- in my opinion this two rubbers can't be placed on the same shelf. Dignics certainly has a flatter ball path and is more sensitive to opponent's roatation. Both are very good in block, but Dignics gives You more options- You can shorten the block by gently withdrawing your hand ar accelerate with opposite move. It's just fantastic. Xiom VX is more predictable in this element but still very dangerous ;) I have impression that Dignics is a bit harder than VX, but I still prefer to have it on bh side. In attack Xiom X is just brilliant. You can play strong, effective atack exactly where You planned. The feeling it's just amazing. This rubbers forgives You mistakes in technique but You need to have a solid foundation to master it perfectly :) I've tried both of them on fh side and my opponents claimed that attacks were faster with Dignics but they had more problems to block well or counter topspins from VX. This is probably due to a better rotation from Xiom. Generally, as I said, I would not put those two one the same level, and I won't tell You which is better beacuse each of them has different advantages. I found for me the optimal combination of rubbers and blade so I think that both will stay with me in this configuration for a long time ;)

jamesmith
02-05-2020, 09:54 AM
I have mentioned many time about the Komann bat , but of-c0urse because it is not well known so people do not like even look at it. Komann blades are one of the best and the price is very very reasonable. Not because it is not expensive so the quality is bad. Quality is 100% good https://www.komann.com.hk/blades-komann

simios
06-08-2020, 03:21 PM
Ein Spitzenbelag - Mehr zum Preis Leistungssieger in unserem deutschen Xiom Vega X Review (https://www.tischtennis-shopping.de/xiom-vega-x-review-vega-pro/)

igorponger
06-09-2020, 10:23 AM
SHURELY, STRONG HAND IS A GREAT ASSET. POWER [email protected] exerciser is the solution.

Yes, strong wrist and legs do make me a happy guy, I feel quite potent to smash up the ball with any sponged rubber whatever, the price no matter at all. . 729 FX has been my beloved product for many years.

/Be happyi.

alex86
06-11-2020, 01:18 PM
as for niwbiews i guess it perform ok but for professionals a big no

Kuba Hajto
06-17-2020, 07:05 PM
as for niwbiews i guess it perform ok but for professionals a big no

Disagree. Depends on professional definition. I think this statement is way too broad. I haven't put that much time with this rubber, but so far i think it's good enough for anyone who consider himself intermediate. For "newbies" it might be too fast.

Marko
06-17-2020, 09:52 PM
The durability of the rubber is all right. I have been playing with it for more than 3 months now, almost 4 and it has lost more spin on forehand side than on the backhand, probably because I have practised my serve during the lockdown every day outside. Backhand side has lost some spin also but not as much.

I also have a friend that has ordered the rubbers 2 weeks after me, and played with them only in club, not playing during the lockdown and his rubbers are like brand new.

It doesn't get chipped easily, I have bumped them on the table several times on accident but they haven't chipped.

I am not planing on buying new ones soon beacause I can still lift beckspin easily with them. All in all vega x is a very good and quite durable rubber in my experience.

Konrad Bak
06-18-2020, 12:17 AM
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