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yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 12:59 PM
Joola Dynaryz AGR and ACC rubbers

Joola had some revamps last year due to change in ownership and changes were made.
They even changed their company logo. So far the changes have been good and we can see the changes in their recent products starting with the Rhyzer rubbers and also the PBO-C blades.
Dynaryz seems to be a catchy name especially to GoT fans and a friend of mine even asked if this comes with dragons. It does not but it comes with another GoT sounding name which I will post soon.


Anyway, the new Joola Dynaryz rubbers come in 2 versions - ACC and AGR. I will explain each rubber thoroughly as much as I can. Here are some of the pics:


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Joola Dynaryz ACC
Weight: 69 grams uncut
Speed: OFF+
Spin: Very High


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The Dynaryz ACC has a softer sponge compared to the AGR. At first look the ACC Dynaryz
could be mistaken as a Tibhar rubber because of its purple sponge but only looks can be similar and they play very differently. I have no exact info on what is the sponge hardness of the Dynaryz
ACC but it seems to be 47-48 degrees and the topsheet is at medium soft. I can press the topsheet and sponge to some degree and it feels like it is medium hard and also felt a bit softer than the Rhyzer 50. I am just doing references on the hardness since I need to ask Joola about this first.


The Dynaryz ACC is the more "tamed" version of the 2 Dynaryz rubbers. It has a certain gap in terms of speed and power when I compared to the AGR version. I used the 2 rubbers in the same blades. I used a 5 ply limba-limba blade and a composite blade with carbon-aramid layers. I could say the Dynaryz ACC is quite bouncy. The speed is really evident even with just a 5 ply blade being used with it. For comparison's sake, ACC has more or less the same speed level as the Rhyzer 48 but it feels softer on impacts. Other rubber comparisons for speed are, ACC > Tibhar FXS, ACC >Donic BF M2, ACC=Donic Bluestorm Z2.


The ACC Dynaryz has a medium to low arc. I was looping with it near and mid distance from the table and observe the rubber to be very spinny. The grippy yet matte topsheet produces very high amount of spin. If you like Tenergy 64 but does not like its price, the ACC version is a good alternative since this is a long trajectory rubber with huge amounts of spin. You can feel the ball kick against your blade if you are blocking against it. The spin of the ACC is almost in the level of Tenergy 64. It is very spinny and spinnier than a Bluestorm Z2 or even an MXP 47.5 degree version.


This is impressive because the ACC despite being a very fast rubber has good amount of control. Although it is as fast as the Rhyzer 48, the level of control is simply much better and it is more forgiving. To think, when you are using the Dynaryz ACC, it seems you are using control type rubber because it is accurate and very easy to handle. Other areas that is is really good to use is ability to smash really good. Also, it was quite surprising to be not too bouncy on short and delicate shots like drop shots and short pushes.


Overall, this is a rubber that is good in almost aspect and with a very balanced amount of speed, control and spin.




Joola Dynaryz AGR
Weight: 71 grams uncut
Speed: OFF++
Spin: Extreme



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The Dynaryz AGR is the aggressive type of rubber in the Dynaryz series. This was built purely for offensive purposes and is a monster in both in and out of the table. Both the AGR and ACC versions of the Dynaryz have this specification on each of their topsheets which has a 0.5mm spacing in between pimples, 1.7mm width of each pimple and 0.9mm height of each pip. Both have the same pip and topsheet structure but differs in sponge hardness and some other things that I will mention below. The topsheet is matted red and black with purple sponge. I think this is still a thin topsheet thick sponge type of ESN rubber.


The AGR version is the faster one between the 2 rubbers. The speed difference is just big. When using the AGR in a 5 ply limba-limba blade, you could already feel the force of your drives on impact and it is even more evident when using a composite blade. I only used a koto-carbon-aramid blade and I already felt the increase in speed multiple times. This rubber is not a joke. The speed is faster than the Joola Rhyzer 50. The difference is that the Joola Rhyzer 50 has more "gears" while the Dynaryz AGR is bouncy in all aspects even with shorts shots so you have to adjust a bit. In terms of bounciness, the AGR is faster than both Tenergy 64 or Tenergy 05. The difference between the Rhyzer 50 and the Dynaryz AGR is that the Rhyzer needs more sponge compression to produce fast and powerfull shots while the Dynaryz AGR is outright bouncy. It felt like I was using a pure carbon blade in the level of Primorac Carbon instead of just a Viscaria type blade when I was using the Dynaryz AGR so I should caution everyone that this is very fast.


Many will ask how is the spin of the Dynaryz AGR. I think this is their first rubber that I can confidently say that this has the spin in the level of Tenergy 05 but has much more power. It does have a slightly lower arc than T05. The arc is between that of Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64 so I would put it at medium to medium-high if the Tenergy 05's arc is medium-high to high arc.
The Dynaryz AGR has a very grippy topsheet that you can lift backspin balls with less effort. I have greatly observed this when receving underspin/backspin balls in the backhand. It has this good amount of bite with the ball either with a flick or opening loops in both the backhand and forehand. So far, this is the spinniest non-tacky Joola rubber in theirt arsenal. The Golden Tango PS and vanilla versions are both spinny but pales ion comparison with the power. ON stronger shots , the Dynaryz AGR has more juice and more power to offer.


I really admire this rubber because this still has a good amount of control despite its speed compared to other hard and fast rubbers in its class. I reckon this would be a hit among new rubbers that will come out this 2020. This is simply a superb rubber!

mlax
02-23-2020, 02:17 PM
High praise! It’s seems like in terms of arc you are saying it’s like a Tenergy 80?

How does it compare to Dignics?

Renan Angelici
02-23-2020, 02:57 PM
I was looking forward to hear your impressions on this, Yogi! I have a few questions, comparing Dynaryz to Rhyzer:

Dynaryz AGR has a higher arc comparted to Rhyzer 50 Pro?

I find Rhyzer 50 Pro to feel way harder than it's nominal 50 degree would imply. Do you think AGR feels softer or harder than Rhyzer 50 Pro?

yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 03:41 PM
If i am not mistaken, i think Rhyzer 50 has a higher arc. Not 100% sure on the hardness but they are almost the same. The Rhyzer 50 has a feeling of being hard probably partly due to its topsheet.

ZeroTT
02-23-2020, 07:17 PM
First of all, Thanks a lot Yogi for another high effort, very informative review. I really appreciate these posts.

From what I found on the Joola websites:
Dynaryz ACC is 47 degrees hardness ( ACC stands for accuracy)
Dynaryz AGR is 50 degrees hardness (AGR stands for aggressive)

I like that they give so much pip structure information now, that really helps.
The 1.7 pip width is exactly the same as Tenergy 05,64 and 80
Joola says the spacing is 0.6 and height is 0.9 but I can't find how the spacing and length on Tenergy is.
Butterfly only provides the width of 1.7 and says that 64 has higher pip length then 05 and 80 is in between.

For me the feeling of the top sheet is very important because I tried Rhyzer 48 and Rhyzer pro 50 and for me 48 feels great because it still has some soft feel and 50 feels bad because it "feels" like a brick sometimes.
I tried Rhyzer pro 45 after that and it still felt harder then the Rhyzer 48. Because of that different topsheet.

My Questions to you:
1. You said that the AGR has the same spin level as 05 but more power so it should be an overall improvement for a Tenergy 05 then?
My first reaction would be to take the ACC because it has a 47 degree sponge which is the same as Tenergy 05.
But your view is: if you like Tenergy05 better go for the AGR version?
I like T05 but not T64...

2. Does this rubber use the Thin top sheet Max Sponge technology as the Rhyzers, Rassants etc.. ?
Every new ESN rubber was using it and it was the next big thing.

P1ngP0ng3r
02-23-2020, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the review Yoga.
Might give ACC a try :)

yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 09:59 PM
First of all, Thanks a lot Yogi for another high effort, very informative review. I really appreciate these posts.

From what I found on the Joola websites:
Dynaryz ACC is 47 degrees hardness ( ACC stands for accuracy)
Dynaryz AGR is 50 degrees hardness (AGR stands for aggressive)

I like that they give so much pip structure information now, that really helps.
The 1.7 pip width is exactly the same as Tenergy 05,64 and 80
Joola says the spacing is 0.6 and height is 0.9 but I can't find how the spacing and length on Tenergy is.
Butterfly only provides the width of 1.7 and says that 64 has higher pip length then 05 and 80 is in between.

For me the feeling of the top sheet is very important because I tried Rhyzer 48 and Rhyzer pro 50 and for me 48 feels great because it still has some soft feel and 50 feels bad because it "feels" like a brick sometimes.
I tried Rhyzer pro 45 after that and it still felt harder then the Rhyzer 48. Because of that different topsheet.

My Questions to you:
1. You said that the AGR has the same spin level as 05 but more power so it should be an overall improvement for a Tenergy 05 then?
My first reaction would be to take the ACC because it has a 47 degree sponge which is the same as Tenergy 05.
But your view is: if you like Tenergy05 better go for the AGR version?
I like T05 but not T64...

2. Does this rubber use the Thin top sheet Max Sponge technology as the Rhyzers, Rassants etc.. ?
Every new ESN rubber was using it and it was the next big thing.

1. Tenergy 05"s speed is not that fast. There are lots of faster rubbers. It is its arc and sensitivity to spin that makes the ball go out of the table. T05 might have a 47 to the 48 degree sponge but the playing characteristics are not the same with AGR. Also, T05 has always been the rubber to compare with that is why I have com0ared it to the AGR. You can also compare it with T05H.
2. I think I have mentioned it already that it is thin topsheet, thick sponge rubber.

Zaid323918
02-23-2020, 11:23 PM
What happened with the ownership of Joola if you don't mind me asking?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 12:00 AM
Joola USA bought Joola Germany. I think the company that produces Ipong before is the one that bought Joola Germany if i am not mistaken.

BryanY
02-24-2020, 01:09 AM
Thanks for the review!

I’m currently using Rhyzer 50. In comparison does the AGR have a higher trajectory? Which rubber is better for brushing? (That’s probably a strange question for non-tacky rubber, but I like to brush occasionally).

Also I feel like Rhyzer 50 has good control during touch play. Is AGR as good?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 04:06 AM
I think Rhyzer 50 has a higher arc. AGR is better

mlax
02-24-2020, 04:37 AM
Yogi, how does the AGR compare to the Xiom 7 Hyper?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 06:11 AM
Hyper has a harder sponge overall and is faster.

Renan Angelici
02-24-2020, 11:54 AM
Yogi, considering the topsheet alone, which has more grip: Rhyzer 50 Pro or Dynaryz AGR?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 01:29 PM
I would bet on the AGR any day over the Rhyzer 50.

kneckedeck
02-25-2020, 12:29 PM
Yogi, how would you compare Dynaryz AGR to Stiga DNA Pro H?

yogi_bear
02-25-2020, 08:56 PM
AGR is way faster and spinnier.

ZeroTT
02-27-2020, 03:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

merlin el mago
02-27-2020, 03:54 PM
Dynaryz AGR is more spinnier than Omega VII Hyper?

BryanY
02-27-2020, 04:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

He says that the AGR version has 52.5 degree sponge.

Renan Angelici
02-27-2020, 04:33 PM
One thing that surprised me on Louis's video is that he states AGR has 52,5 degrees of hardness. Most things I've read about AGR on forums reported 50 degrees, instead.

Yogi, do you know what the actual hardness is?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

Renan Angelici
02-27-2020, 04:33 PM
Oops. 1 minute too late! Sry.


He says that the AGR version has 52.5 degree sponge.

yogi_bear
02-27-2020, 10:18 PM
The sponges are at 50 and 47.5 according to the site.

Jiang Ove Makong
02-27-2020, 10:44 PM
AGR is way faster and spinnier.

I would like to pay much respect to your efforts. I have read many of your reviews and can't help but notice how your rating/opinion of spin changes. I recall you mentioning 05, rhyzer 48, z1, rhyzer 50 and now agr as spinniest.
(omega 7 was mentioned by someone somewhere, perhps not you)
Could you perhaps recap which of these rubbers would mostlikely produce a classic unblockable/over-the-table-blocked return on full power openings?
very much obliged!

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 08:15 AM
I would like to pay much respect to your efforts. I have read many of your reviews and can't help but notice how your rating/opinion of spin changes. I recall you mentioning 05, rhyzer 48, z1, rhyzer 50 and now agr as spinniest.
(omega 7 was mentioned by someone somewhere, perhps not you)
Could you perhaps recap which of these rubbers would mostlikely produce a classic unblockable/over-the-table-blocked return on full power openings?
very much obliged!
I did not say that AGR is spinnier than T05 but i can say it has the same amount of spin with more catapult effect. As a company produces newer rubbers, the importance of producing rubbers that are as spinny as tenergy because it has been the benchmark of rubbers for the last decade. I would definitely feel the spin increase since i am the first one alwaysto try out new rubbers. Also, what is the point if you cannot have better rubbers than what you have produced before? Other companies will sure over take the sales.

Konrad Bak
02-28-2020, 09:50 AM
T05 is not the spinniest rubber but has ability to play like 45-50 sponge.
The biggest difference is sponge, Butterfly has the best sponge in market

Jiang Ove Makong
02-28-2020, 09:57 AM
I did not say that AGR is spinnier than T05 but i can say it has the same amount of spin with more catapult effect. As a company produces newer rubbers, the importance of producing rubbers that are as spinny as tenergy because it has been the benchmark of rubbers for the last decade. I would definitely feel the spin increase since i am the first one alwaysto try out new rubbers. Also, what is the point if you cannot have better rubbers than what you have produced before? Other companies will sure over take the sales.
So, despite all the obligations, could you still make a recommendation, as to answer my search?

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 01:43 PM
If compared to the line of Joola rubbers, you have what you are looking for with AGR Dynaryz

Hamasaki_Fanz
02-28-2020, 04:07 PM
Hi yogi, how do you compare the bounciness of those 2 rubbers to rasanter old series? (not r53)

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 04:26 PM
Both acc and agr are faster than the r47. The acc seem only a bit faster by a small margin than the r47

Kolev
02-28-2020, 11:23 PM
No one mentioned how's lifting backspin balls. I have bad experience with the new soft top sheet hard sponge rubbers when it comes to lift chopped balls. I tend to brush , so Rhyzer 50 is a bliss for me.but Omega 7 Pro and Asia were a disaster with their soft top, although Pro plays wonderfully on my BH

Konrad Bak
02-28-2020, 11:53 PM
Thin topsheet is very easy for open backspin so agc and acc should easy open EVery backspin
Xiom omega 7 is without new Technology.

Kolev
02-29-2020, 09:13 AM
I don't know the new technology involved in AGR and ACC. I hope it will be similar to Rhyzer 50. The thin top sheet of Omega 7 doesn't help in lifting cause anyway we have to involve the sponge

Konrad Bak
02-29-2020, 10:23 AM
Omega 7 dont have SSP.
All rubbers from Omega 7 have low throw

Kolev
03-01-2020, 12:55 PM
Ah yeah ,the SSP.... I should have guessed immediately. Thanks

MoSpin24
03-03-2020, 03:18 PM
'Looeelooee TT' has posted a follow-up video review on YouTube. It is called 'Joola Dynaryz Rubbers REVIEW!' Unfortunately, I cannot post links yet, but you can search for it using the above quoted.

lasta
03-03-2020, 03:55 PM
What is this ssp technology business??? Are they putting microchips in rubbers now?

Omega 7's don't have low-throw. I don't like the rubbers but they have more grip and higher throw than T05.

BryanY
03-03-2020, 07:16 PM
https://youtu.be/Tcoz5gGiUrA

ZeroTT
03-04-2020, 07:40 AM
He compares the AGR to Dignics 05,interesting.

He has a lot of experience with Joola and especially Rhyzer 50 and says it's an upgrade and will switch to this rubber now.
That new sponge (Hyperbounce) seems an improvement.

manuvernillo
03-04-2020, 09:14 AM
I have been using since one week ca. the new two Joola rubbers Dynaryz, an AGR 2.0mm black on FH and an ACC 2.0mm red on the BH.
I generally agree with Loole review: I have used for a year a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the FH and first a Rhyzer 48 (max.) then a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the BH, and my impressions, using the Rhyzers, was that, although the hard sponge hardness, the grippy topsheet gave still a not too hard feeling from the rubber. With the AGR I suddenly felt an update from that: my topspins were suddenly more powerful but at the same time without losing too much control. I am not a PRO player but also not a beginner: the AGR is more direct that the Rhyzer, I have a harder feeling but still the dewll time of the ball on the rubber is there and I don't have the feeling of "losing" the ball because of the hardness. I had the same feeling from the ACC, I am using it on the BH and I can say that I have a sensation of more control now rather than before. I really feel the ball more than before with almost the same speed. I am mainly a FH player and I think these rubbers are an improvement from Joola. Nobilis is the blade I am playing since almost two years.
I never used the Dignics so I can't say more about this comparison.

ZeroTT
03-04-2020, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the extra info Manuvernillo.

I am gonna order one this week and test it myself.
I'm just not sure to order the AGR or ACC.

I always played with Tenergy05, Rhyzer48,Rasanter47,Gewo nexus48 etc
So the Hardness of ACC may suit me better.

But most reviewers seem to be the most positive over the AGR.

Hamasaki_Fanz
03-04-2020, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the extra info Manuvernillo.

I am gonna order one this week and test it myself.
I'm just not sure to order the AGR or ACC.

I always played with Tenergy05, Rhyzer48,Rasanter47,Gewo nexus48 etc
So the Hardness of ACC may suit me better.

But most reviewers seem to be the most positive over the AGR.

It depends on how you play. If you play fast table tennis like female players ACC would be suitable, if you like to play power shot like CNT players, AGR is more suitable

guni4you
03-04-2020, 06:24 PM
Hey Yogi,
Can you please compare AGR to R53?
Both acc and agr are faster than the r47. The acc seem only a bit faster by a small margin than the r47

yogi_bear
03-05-2020, 05:14 AM
I cannot compare enough since as what i have said i only tried the r53 in a very short time. The AGR felt very different and felt like DNA H with some sort of medium softness in the topsheet but spinnier and faster. I felt the AGR easier to spin with.

TableTennisTom
03-06-2020, 10:50 AM
Not sure I can add too much more to what has already been said, but for what it is worth here is my review of using Dynaryz ACC and AGR over the past two weeks... https://www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/review-joola-dynaryz-acc-agr-rubbers/

ZeroTT
03-06-2020, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the review Tom

I'm currently playing with a Rhyzer48 on forehand as well.
I thought you would recommend the ACC because it has almost the same hardness (47.5) as Rhyzer 48.
But it seems AGR felt better for you?

How do the dynaryz rubbers feel in terms of hardness compared to your Rhyzer 48?
I'm a bit scared to go for AGR because 50 degree might be too hard for me.

TableTennisTom
03-06-2020, 07:35 PM
How do the dynaryz rubbers feel in terms of hardness compared to your Rhyzer 48?
I'm a bit scared to go for AGR because 50 degree might be too hard for me.

The AGR rubber doesn't feel that hard. I tried Rhyzer Pro 50, which was too hard for me. I couldn't play with this at all. But AGR feels a bit more like Rhyzer 48, but faster and more spin generation.

ZeroTT
03-08-2020, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the answer Tom.
I had the exact same problem Rhyzer48 felt good to me but I couldn't play with the Rhyzer50 pro at all.
Probably the harder topsheet of the 50 pro was the problem.

yogi_bear
03-08-2020, 03:55 PM
the AGR's topsheet does not feel hard and allows better grip or bite of the ball.

mlax
03-08-2020, 06:01 PM
If someone can compare the Dynaryz AGR to the Andro R53, that would be great. Lot's of descriptions of the two rubbers (doesn't feel as hard etc) are similar

ZeroTT
03-11-2020, 12:21 PM
Because I Only read positive reviews about this I decided to give this a try.

After some consideration I opted to buy the ACC first and maybe the AGR in a few months.

After 2 training sessions I can honestly say that I absolutely love it.
This is the first Rubber that instantly gave me the same feel as Tenergy 05.
I tried Rhyzer 48,Gewo Nexus EL 48,Hexer Powergrip,R47,Vega X and played years of Tenergy 05 and 05fx.

This is the best so far for me.
Right now My ranking is Dynaryz ACC > Nexus 48 > R47 > VegaX/Powergrip

What I love most about it is the soft feeling despite still having so much speed.
That's what I always loved about T05 as well, it was the feeling and the touch I had with it.
With Tenergy It always felt I had a good "bite" into the ball when playing heavy spin and Dynaryz has this same feeling.

Let's hope the durability will be ok because my long search for my T05 replacement will be over then.

merlin el mago
03-11-2020, 12:35 PM
I bought mine AGR for 50€90 here: https://100x100pingpong.com/es/lisas/664-joola-dynaryz-agr.html

Also sells ACC for the same price https://100x100pingpong.com/es/lisas/663-joola-dynaryz-acc.html

merlin el mago
03-12-2020, 02:42 PM
Dynaryz AGR is more spinnier than Omega VII Hyper?

??????

Konrad Bak
03-12-2020, 04:48 PM
Omg xiom rubbers are not the spinniest so what do you want...
Harder rubber= Harder generate rotation

sspark80
03-12-2020, 05:26 PM
Because I Only read positive reviews about this I decided to give this a try.

After some consideration I opted to buy the ACC first and maybe the AGR in a few months.

After 2 training sessions I can honestly say that I absolutely love it.
This is the first Rubber that instantly gave me the same feel as Tenergy 05.
I tried Rhyzer 48,Gewo Nexus EL 48,Hexer Powergrip,R47,Vega X and played years of Tenergy 05 and 05fx.

This is the best so far for me.
Right now My ranking is Dynaryz ACC > Nexus 48 > R47 > VegaX/Powergrip

What I love most about it is the soft feeling despite still having so much speed.
That's what I always loved about T05 as well, it was the feeling and the touch I had with it.
With Tenergy It always felt I had a good "bite" into the ball when playing heavy spin and Dynaryz has this same feeling.

Let's hope the durability will be ok because my long search for my T05 replacement will be over then.

Thanks for sharing your observations. Would you say that ACC is as bouncy as T05 in the short game?

yogi_bear
03-14-2020, 08:23 AM
Imo, it(acc) is more like T64.

yogi_bear
03-16-2020, 09:22 PM
Here is the promotional video of Dynaryz rubbers. You can see the new blades there too in a short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB0S90eIrlE

MoSpin24
03-20-2020, 05:44 PM
Yogi, would you rank Joola ACC ahead of Stiga DNA M and Xiom Omega VII Pro in terms of spin?

Tommy16
03-20-2020, 06:23 PM
How about durability of these rubbers. Has someone had a chance to play with these long enough to make a statement?

yoass
03-20-2020, 06:33 PM
We’re always so eager to jump in new stuff and much less so in sharing experiences with the familiar.

Durability is not something you can judge for the shiny and new.

As a whole modern day durability is piss poor, with little exception.

Vega Pro and Tenergy 05 were above par (still far from good), Fastarc G-1 has been lasting a bit better still. Yet far from enough.

Sriver (today’s rubber by that name) was horrendous, so was Rasant Grip, Donic Bluefire.

Middle of the road (way below par) were Rakza 7 and -Soft, Tenergy 05fx, GoldArc 8.

The world has been changing for a while now. We should really leave that “apres nous, la déluge” throwaway mentality behind us. Folks, stuff should last!

Kuba Hajto
03-20-2020, 07:58 PM
We’re always so eager to jump in new stuff and much less so in sharing experiences with the familiar.

Durability is not something you can judge for the shiny and new.

As a whole modern day durability is piss poor, with little exception.

The durability is poor because performance is high. It is common pattern, tuned car engine fails more easily, overclocked computer parts tend to break more frequent, I think same applies for rubbers. The more boosted it is (even from factory) the quicker it will deteriorate. Hurricane brick tend to last forever while ESN rubbers fade after month or two of usage. I think said pattern is prominent.

yoass
03-20-2020, 08:00 PM
The durability is poor because performance is high. It is common pattern, tuned car engine fails more easily, overclocked computer parts tend to break more frequent, I think same applies for rubbers.

Yes, up to a certain point. Sriver used to last for years, but now it doesn't anymore. Either way, we should stop this madness and put longevity first and foremost when assessing the quality of things. The question should not just be "how does this play when new?" but also "and how will it play two years from now?". Resource exhaustion is real.

Kuba Hajto
03-20-2020, 08:13 PM
Yes, up to a certain point. Sriver used to last for years, but now it doesn't anymore. Either way, we should stop this madness and put longevity first and foremost when assessing the quality of things. The question should not just be "how does this play when new?" but also "and how will it play two years from now?". Resource exhaustion is real.
I think this is a topic for another thread. If someone wants to have fresh rubbers every 6 months he will do it either way. I haven't yet a person who disposes rubbers. They usually are reused in this way or another. Sometimes people sell their old rubbers to less advanced players sometimes they donate them to Africa. I personally either sell them with blade I don't use OR keep them in the wardrobe to use in returnboard.

zizka
06-28-2020, 10:48 AM
Hello! How do you think, these rubbers will work well with the apolonia zlc? Or better koto/alc?