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yogi_bear
04-06-2020, 12:01 PM
Xiom Omega 7 China Guang
Weight: 70 grams (uncut)
Hardness: 55 degrees ESN Scale
Speed: Extremely High
Spin: Extremely High

Xiom Omega 7 China Ying
Weight: 72 grams (uncut)
Hardness: 60 degrees ESN Scale
Speed: Extremely High
Spin: Extremely High

Both of these rubbers are the latest rubbers from Xiom that are supposed to compete with Butterfly Dignics 09C. I do not have the Dignics 09C so I cannot compare it directly with these 2 rubbers. I only had Tenergy 05H and Dignics 05 in the past for direct comparison. The topsheet of these 2 rubbers are slightly tacky. If compared to the Vega China rubber, the Omega 7 China rubbers are much less tacky. The Vega China is super tacky like a Chinese rubber while Omega 7 China Ying and Guang are only slightly tacky wherein the wax paper-like cover sticks to it even after you have removed it from the rubber, cleaned it and stick it back on to the rubber but it is not tacky enough to pick up the ball like Vega China and Tau II rubbers. If I try to stick the wax paper-like cover to other rubbers like Omega 7 Asia or Hyper, that will not stick to those rubbers. I could say that the topsheets has a much grippier topsheets than both Tenergy and Dignics 05 rubbers. Both red and black rubbers of Ying and Guang are equally almost non-tacky while Xiom Tau II both red and black rubbers are very tacky. The pip structures of the O7C topsheets are short like the Xiom Tau II. For the hardness, you can really feel the hardness of the sponge of the 2 rubbers. Supposedly, the Omega 7 Hyper was to have a 60 degree sponge but it was not released to the market. Now, the Ying version is 60 and I think this is the hardest ESN rubber in the market right now. Xiom is one of the first company to have 55 degree rubbers if not the first. I think now they are the first to have 60 degree rubbers. Mind you, the sponge of both rubbers are very hard and if you lack the skill, Xiom will advise you to choose other rubbers among its other excellent line of rubbers. This is not for the faint hearted. I weighed the cut Guang and Ying rubbers on a 2.1mm thickness. The Hugo SAL and 36.5 Deep Impact ALX have blade head size of 157x150mm and the Ying weighs 51.8 grams cut while the Guang weighs 50 grams cut.

I glued rubbers onto the Hugo SAL, 36.5 Deep Impact ALX and both the AZXi and AZX (new versions) for this test. It took me quite a while to review these rubbers due to the lockdown and the delay of the freight plus the fact that I only had a return board initially but eventually got some people to play with me and test the rubbers and blades altogether. When I tested these 2 rubbers, I also compared it with the Omega 7 Asia and Hyper for references to give a clearer picture about these rubbers. Initially, both the Omega 7 and Hyper rubbers are more bouncy than the Omega 7 China rubbers but when you start hitting with these rubbers, the Omega 7 China rubbers are faster. This is due to the very hard sponge
that initially it does not feel as bouncy but when you compress the sponge more, it will have a higher speed potential. With not much effort or sponge compression, the Omega 7 China rubbers are fast but
the potential speed need to be tapped in order for it to be used. So it is obvious that these rubbers are for players who have the ability to utilize the sponge in order to use more power. Average players can only maximize rubbers to a limited degree but the Omega 7 China rubbers need a certain level of skill and the skills for these rubbers are those of a high level player. In fairness, the Omega 7 China rubbers,
both the Guang and Ying versions are dynamic and have gears. They can be slow and fast depending on the usage. For speed reference compared with other rubbers, both Guang and Ying rubbers are faster than Tenergy 05H and Dignics 05. When the Tau II and Omega 7 China rubbers are compared for speed, the Omega 7 China rubbers are still fast even far from the table. The Tau II is only for close to the table play and to some extent mid-distance from the table. The Xiom Tau II is not that bouncy when you do a bounce test. It behaves like a Chinese rubber that due to its tackiness, the ball does not bounce that much. If comparing both Guang and Ying rubbers, the Ying feels faster in some instances. I would theorize that the 60 degree hardness of the Ying rubber needed more sponge compression than the Guang version. Even in Xiom’s ratings, the Ying is faster by a few notches.

How spinny are the Omega 7 China rubbers? Let me go back to the Omega 7 Asia rubber, It is as spinny as Tenergy 05. When the Omega 7 Hyper came out I felt that the Hyper was the clear more spinny rubber than T05, T05H and Dignics 05. The Xiom Tau II is very spinny and when your stroke is more of a brushing stroke on loops with a thin contact, it is much more spinny than the Omega 7 China rubbers but when you are at the point that you do full swings away from the table, the Omega 7 China rubbers are much spinny. This is due to the sponge adding more spin and power to your shots. If you do serves and push chops, the Xiom Tau II is much more spinny. I would rate the Omega 7 China and Hyper rubbers as almost equal in spin on serves and push chops. Both the Omega 7 Guang and Ying have a medium low arc when looping against underspin but with the Guang version having a slightly lower arc.
Both Guang and Ying rubbers would shine starting on mid-distance away from the table and even more at far distance. The strong counter topspins and loops away from the table are the very strong points of both rubbers and this is the reason that these 2 rubbers are for higher level players. Even half-long underspin balls can be easily looped above the table due to the high grip of the Guang and Ying rubbers.

For smashing, both are very fast near or away from the table. In some cases, the very hard sponges sometimes assist in even smashing high underspin balls to some extent. For blocks, you would need to adjust a bit more on your angle and tightness of grip for the handle because they are a bit bouncy when blocking. When you love doing punch blocking, both rubbers are excellent.

For the blade compatibility, I would suggest to people not to use blades faster than carbon-arylate blades due to the bounciness and hardness of the sponges. I think the Hugo SAL and 36.5 blades are perfectly compatible with the Guang and Ying rubbers because the 2 mentioned blades have some sort of soft feel. In fact, these 2 rubbers are for medium or medium soft blades or flex blades. I did try this on the Ice cream AZX but it was blazingly fast and a bit challenging on the control side. If you use a 5 ply all wood blade like Xiom Offensive S or All Around S, the combination with both Guang and Ying rubbers still feels like using a very fast blade with fast rubbers. Basing on some reviews of the Dignics 09c, I could say that the O7C rubbers can give a run for it money but the with some adjustments on the much harder sponges.

I also noticed that the 2 rubbers do not shrink after gluing them to the blade and removing them. I cut the 2 rubbers tradition. This maybe be attributed by the very hard sponge.




Xiom Omega 7 China - Guang


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Kuba Hajto
04-06-2020, 01:42 PM
Any information about Europe availability? I don't plan to change any time soon, I am perfectly happy with my Xiom Vega China, I am just curious.

yogi_bear
04-06-2020, 02:00 PM
Any information about Europe availability? I don't plan to change any time soon, I am perfectly happy with my Xiom Vega China, I am just curious.
Supposed to be released worldwide this April then Corona smashed us.

yogi_bear
04-07-2020, 07:32 AM
Checked the topsheet today and it is obviously has more grip than my Dignics 05 before.

Kuba Hajto
04-07-2020, 08:20 AM
I know we will have wait for the review for quite a while, but I would really appreciate if you Included information wether it's worth to upgrade from Vega China in your review. Also I would love to hear to which one should upgrade.

yogi_bear
04-07-2020, 08:58 AM
Well for now, i can really tell that the black topsheet of the O7C has less tendency to pick up dust.

Kuba Hajto
04-07-2020, 09:04 AM
Well for now, i can really tell that the black topsheet of the O7C has less tendency to pick up dust.
By O7C you mean Guang or Ying?

yogi_bear
04-07-2020, 12:02 PM
By O7C you mean Guang or Ying?

Both. They only differ in hardness.

SwordBreak
04-18-2020, 05:58 PM
whats 60degree esn on dhs scale?

Kuba Hajto
04-18-2020, 06:03 PM
whats 60degree esn on dhs scale?
Brick, well over 40. 55 degrees suppose to be like 41, so I would assume 60 be close to 43-45. Some conversion charts show even 50. Problem is that hardnesses can't be translated directly, because those tools used to measure the hardness are different. They have different tips. Google shore scale.

sampletext
04-18-2020, 09:47 PM
Checked the topsheet today and it is obviously has more grip than my Dignics 05 before.
what about vs 09c? and also can you compare this to Rakza Z and Z hard?

yogi_bear
04-19-2020, 02:50 AM
I dp not have 09c. I have incoming new Rakzas.

SwordBreak
04-20-2020, 03:49 AM
Brick, well over 40. 55 degrees suppose to be like 41, so I would assume 60 be close to 43-45. Some conversion charts show even 50. Problem is that hardnesses can't be translated directly, because those tools used to measure the hardness are different. They have different tips. Google shore scale.
hahaha,brick indeed..time to hit the gym then..using hard rubber me feel like a pro,psychological win for me.haha

SwordBreak
04-20-2020, 03:50 AM
yogi..whats the weight of 60degree one?more heavy than 07hyper?

yogi_bear
04-20-2020, 03:52 AM
Not weighed it yet since i have not tested it.

729B2
04-20-2020, 08:58 AM
hope fully the yin is the cheap alternative to 09c and lasts 6 months

yogi_bear
05-25-2020, 03:58 PM
updated with review. additional pics can be viewed in my instagram - yogibabytt

729B2
05-25-2020, 06:41 PM
thanks

Brs
05-25-2020, 07:43 PM
This review is making me want to try the Tau II.

Michael Kitt
07-14-2020, 01:11 AM
Too many Omega 7 options. So then, which one is best if you want incredible speed, incredible spin, a medium or med-high throw angle, relative insensitivity to incoming spin (I suppose this limits the spin capability on brushes though), a small catapult just enough to where the rubber doesn't feel dead on soft shots, while at the same time offering a solid short game?

Also preferably a bit more dwell and higher throw than with Hyper?

O7 Pro? Or would Rakza Z suit best? Guang has higher throw than Hyper? If it's less bouncy than Hyper on touches I probably don't want it.

I have Long 5x blade so it doesn't have to be the fastest possible rubber.

yogi_bear
07-14-2020, 05:32 AM
Hyper is already the fastest omega 7. Omega 7 china is the spinniest but a notch slower than hyper. Sonfar omega 7 tour and hyper are almost equal.

Michael Kitt
07-14-2020, 07:35 AM
Does Guang have a higher throw than Hyper? I have Hyper, the hardness, lack of tack, and pretty low throw angle, combined with long trajectory make it unnecessarily difficult to hit a consistent attacking shot on backhand compared to some other rubbers.

Did you get a noticeable difference switching from max to 2.0 thickness?

yogi_bear
07-14-2020, 07:45 AM
Guang has higher throw but a bit slower.

Kuba Hajto
07-14-2020, 09:59 AM
How long till these make into the market?

yogi_bear
07-14-2020, 10:43 AM
How long till these make into the market?

They are out in japan and some parts of europe i think.

OtaruTT
07-14-2020, 12:26 PM
Hyper is already the fastest omega 7. Omega 7 china is the spinniest but a notch slower than hyper. Sonfar omega 7 tour and hyper are almost equal.

Hi Yogi, how you compare O7C Guang with Tau 2? Are both is almost same with Tau 2 which is more tacky surface? Tau 2 price is lot cheaper and it is close I think is it a good buy (as Understand Omega7 sponge is too notch in Omega7 series)

yogi_bear
07-14-2020, 04:33 PM
Hi Yogi, how you compare O7C Guang with Tau 2? Are both is almost same with Tau 2 which is more tacky surface? Tau 2 price is lot cheaper and it is close I think is it a good buy (as Understand Omega7 sponge is too notch in Omega7 series)
You should read the review but Tau ii is more like for people who like chinese rubbers like h3. Tau ii is sticky and way slower.

zaw thwe
07-15-2020, 04:27 AM
Yogi there is so many tacky rubbers producing .which one is the best for improving intermediate level player?

Michael Kitt
07-15-2020, 06:02 AM
It would seem that if you have already used Hurricane 3, then putting National version on a faster blade should be good, based on my experience. If you keep the same blade, it seems this Tau ll might be faster, I'm not sure, but the Guang and Ying are definitely faster but less tacky, based on what I've read.

Not sure what offers the most benefits while giving the highest margin of error though.

Michael Kitt
07-15-2020, 07:32 AM
I'm actually curious about whether the Omega 7 Hyper is more spinny than the Omega 7 Pro in all aspects or only in drives? And by how much?

yogi_bear
07-15-2020, 08:28 AM
I'm actually curious about whether the Omega 7 Hyper is more spinny than the Omega 7 Pro in all aspects or only in drives? And by how much?

I myself find the omega pro less spinny compared to other O7 rubbers. Hyper spins really heavily.

yogi_bear
07-15-2020, 08:29 AM
Yogi there is so many tacky rubbers producing .which one is the best for improving intermediate level player?

Vega China is like a faster hurricane 3.

Kuba Hajto
07-15-2020, 09:58 AM
Vega China is like a faster hurricane 3.

I used it since last year, don't recall the exact month. After about 6 months (maybe 8) sponge is dead, top sheet is fine. A reboost might be in order. Don't have a proper booster to test it.

yogi_bear
07-15-2020, 10:24 AM
6 months is pretty long for a rubber nowadays if you play always.

Michael Kitt
07-15-2020, 05:39 PM
So would you say that the Omega 7 Tour is the Omega 7 Hyper with just a little less spin and speed, a higher throw, and a bit more dwell due to some tackiness? Or does the Hyper have better control in the short game also?

Seems I'd be sacrificing an amazing short game by switching to the Pro.

729B2
09-25-2020, 09:25 AM
so would i need to boost guang to fix that lack of speed? and what is the difference between hyper and ying ? or is harder u hit faster it goes?

yogi_bear
09-26-2020, 08:55 AM
so would i need to boost guang to fix that lack of speed? and what is the difference between hyper and ying ? or is harder u hit faster it goes?
Guang and ying are not slow but compared to non tacky esn rubbers they are slower. When compared to hurricane 3, the omega 7 china rubbers are marginally faster.

729B2
09-26-2020, 10:23 AM
Guang and ying are not slow but compared to non tacky esn rubbers they are slower. When compared to hurricane 3, the omega 7 china rubbers are marginally faster.

awesome so what H3 version are u meaning? neo domestic , pro or national or orange or blue?
im guessing neo orange prov? with or without oil?
and by the sounds of it the Dignics 09c is similar to Omega 7 asia? and also using 09c and aibiss they are similar rubbers but aibiss needs oil way too hard
kind regards

yogi_bear
09-26-2020, 01:25 PM
awesome so what H3 version are u meaning? neo domestic , pro or national or orange or blue?
im guessing neo orange prov? with or without oil?
and by the sounds of it the Dignics 09c is similar to Omega 7 asia? and also using 09c and aibiss they are similar rubbers but aibiss needs oil way too hard
kind regards

I have aibiss and d09c also. Aibiss is more like a tacky spinart but it is way slower than d09c. All h3 versions are slower than Tau ii unless heaily boosted.

729B2
09-26-2020, 04:32 PM
aww u didn't boost it? for me i boosted it with 2 layers of lidu made it alot better but thanks for the insight!

fmarek
10-14-2020, 02:51 PM
How are they compared to K2?

yogi_bear
10-16-2020, 06:03 AM
How are they compared to K2?
K2 is like a much more improved vega china. The O7c is in a class of its own.

latej
11-21-2020, 10:31 AM
Donic Bluegrip C1 = 60 deg. ESN = Xiom Omega 7 China Ying
Donic Bluegrip C2 = 55 deg. ESN = Xiom Omega 7 China Guang

The Donic rubbers are also slightly tacky. Can you compare them to the Xiom rubbers?

yogi_bear
11-22-2020, 12:34 PM
Donic Bluegrip C1 = 60 deg. ESN = Xiom Omega 7 China Ying
Donic Bluegrip C2 = 55 deg. ESN = Xiom Omega 7 China Guang

The Donic rubbers are also slightly tacky. Can you compare them to the Xiom rubbers?

I have not tried them yet but i will try to borrow one from a user here in my city.

yogi_bear
11-23-2020, 05:29 AM
Just confirmed that they are almost similar.

Kuba Hajto
11-23-2020, 07:45 AM
What do you mean almost similar?

yogi_bear
11-23-2020, 08:00 AM
Physical characteristics including topsheet n sponge. Not sure about playing characteristics

Kuba Hajto
11-23-2020, 10:38 AM
Physical characteristics including topsheet n sponge. Not sure about playing characteristics

Will you have an opportunity to compare them playwise? Donic C1 and C2 are readily available in Europe and same price as Xiom.

yogi_bear
11-23-2020, 10:49 AM
Not sure but i will try.

Konrad Bak
11-23-2020, 11:39 AM
Yogi bear has contract with xiom, joola, and other companies, he wont make other reviews because he didnt get money.
He use his knowledge to say something that is not clear truth, and I know that because I sell equipment too.
Czasami możesz powiedzieć że deska jest sztywna, czyli nie jest elastyczna, używając zamiennej terminologii możesz szukać różnic w słowach sztywność i brak elastyczności, dodając do tego znajomość materiału i składu deski można wyolbrzymiać zalety i ukrywać wady. Deska mając taką samą konstrukcje może posiadać różnice związane z
- wymiary rączki i jej materiał oraz jakość wykonania
- jakość drewna i kompozytu
- ogólna jakość wykonania, talent wykonawcy
-klejenie i dodatkowe suszenie i nawet prasowanie deski czy używanie UV.
Jak yogi pisze Tobie, że coś jest szybsze od czegoś to nic nie znaczy, bo warunki w których on gra mogą być inne w proporcji do warunków których Ty grasz.
Sam gram w 6 miejscach i rozumiem różnice.
To samo tyczy się okładzin.
Mając możliwość testowania setek okładzin mogę określić strukture materiału po kolorze podkładu czy też materiale wierzchu, znając głębszy sens jakošci materiału mogę określić sposób i jakość klejenia i wtedy okazuje się, że firma x ma podobny produkt do fimy y, ale ma inny materiał chemiczny, czasami zakupiony materiał podkład czy wierzch z innego źródła i ten sam produkt ma inne już właściwości związane ze sztywnością i sprężystością materiału.
Nie napisze który produkt odpowiada danemu produktowi ale całe ESN tworzy powtarzalny wyrób z innymi właściwościami . Puentując okładzina xioma może mieć te same fizyczne właściwości co okładziny Donica jednak grać będzie inaczej i tyle, a my konsumenci musimy określić który produkt pasuje idealnie i wspierać firmę która nam odpowiada, dlatego taka rakza 7/soft czy teraz X/Z ma ogromne wsparcie od amatorów czy pół profesjonalistów, bo ludzie uświadczyli jakości produktu. To samo się tyczy okładzin takich jak coppa x1/2/3 czy serii tenergy oraz serii Vega czy Acuda
Ludziom podpasowało i będą to używać dalej, a dostępność i cena będzie wyznacznikiem
Sorry for Polish words but Kuba can translate this but still this is not easy work

Kuba Hajto
11-23-2020, 11:52 AM
Yogi bear has contract with xiom, joola, and other companies, he wont make other reviews because he didnt get money.
He use his knowledge to say something that is not clear truth, and I know that because I sell equipment too.
Czasami możesz powiedzieć że deska jest sztywna, czyli nie jest elastyczna, używając zamiennej terminologii możesz szukać różnic w słowach sztywność i brak elastyczności, dodając do tego znajomość materiału i składu deski można wyolbrzymiać zalety i ukrywać wady. Deska mając taką samą konstrukcje może posiadać różnice związane z
- wymiary rączki i jej materiał oraz jakość wykonania
- jakość drewna i kompozytu
- ogólna jakość wykonania, talent wykonawcy
-klejenie i dodatkowe suszenie i nawet prasowanie deski czy używanie UV.
Jak yogi pisze Tobie, że coś jest szybsze od czegoś to nic nie znaczy, bo warunki w których on gra mogą być inne w proporcji do warunków których Ty grasz.
Sam gram w 6 miejscach i rozumiem różnice.
To samo tyczy się okładzin.
Mając możliwość testowania setek okładzin mogę określić strukture materiału po kolorze podkładu czy też materiale wierzchu, znając głębszy sens jakošci materiału mogę określić sposób i jakość klejenia i wtedy okazuje się, że firma x ma podobny produkt do fimy y, ale ma inny materiał chemiczny, czasami zakupiony materiał podkład czy wierzch z innego źródła i ten sam produkt ma inne już właściwości związane ze sztywnością i sprężystością materiału.
Nie napisze który produkt odpowiada danemu produktowi ale całe ESN tworzy powtarzalny wyrób z innymi właściwościami . Puentując okładzina xioma może mieć te same fizyczne właściwości co okładziny Donica jednak grać będzie inaczej i tyle, a my konsumenci musimy określić który produkt pasuje idealnie i wspierać firmę która nam odpowiada, dlatego taka rakza 7/soft czy teraz X/Z ma ogromne wsparcie od amatorów czy pół profesjonalistów, bo ludzie uświadczyli jakości produktu. To samo się tyczy okładzin takich jak coppa x1/2/3 czy serii tenergy oraz serii Vega czy Acuda
Ludziom podpasowało i będą to używać dalej, a dostępność i cena będzie wyznacznikiem
Sorry for Polish words but Kuba can translate this but still this is not easy work

Here you go:

Sometimes you can say that the blade is stiff, meaning not flexible, using different terminology. You can look for different synonyms to stiff and not flexible, adding to that knowledge about materials and composition, you can praise some pros of a blade while hiding its shortcoming. Blades having same construction can have differences that are related to:
- handle dimensions and materials, talent of maker (added by Me, I think he means quality of worksmanship)
- wood quality and composite qualite
- overall build quality
- technology used to make blade and postprocessing, glueing, drying and pressing or using UV light

As yogi wrote to you that something is faster than something, it isn't meaningful, because the environment, where he plays, may be different than where you play.
I alone play in 6 different places and I understand differences. Same applies to racket coverings.

Having the possibility of testing hundreds of rubbers I can describe material structure based on sponge color or top sheet material. Knowing the deeper working of material quality I can describe how it was glued, and then I can see that company X has a similar product to company Y, using different chemical materials. Sometimes top sheet is bought from different sources and it has different stiffness and springiness properties. I won't write which product corresponds to which, but ESN makes a repeatable product with different qualities. All in all, Xiom products can have the same physical properties but due to the described differences, it may have different playing properties. We as consumers must describe which fits our needs and support them. That is why Rakza 7/soft Z/X were so warmly welcomed because it was really liked by amateurs and half-professionals. The same applies for rubbers like Coppa X1/2/3, Tenergy series or Vega or Acuda.
People liked and they will continue using these. Price and availability will demonstrate that in the long term.

End of translation. I hope I didn't skip anything.

Kuba Hajto
11-23-2020, 12:05 PM
Regarding to my question. I was rather looking for a ballpark. I am not looking forward for the exact Omega VII china replacement. If I wanted to get the OVIIC I would just buy that. Donic is a company I like. Some of the stuff they make I really enjoyed including the hardest bluefire (M1?) or the Ovtcharov Senso I am using at the moment. I am looking forward to supporting the company if the product is any good. I am not looking forward to switching my FH rubber atm, but I am curious whether they are successful with this. The table tennis market is extremely slow to react to new products.

yogi_bear
11-23-2020, 11:15 PM
Yogi bear has contract with xiom, joola, and other companies, he wont make other reviews because he didnt get money.
He use his knowledge to say something that is not clear truth, and I know that because I sell equipment too.
Czasami możesz powiedzieć że deska jest sztywna, czyli nie jest elastyczna, używając zamiennej terminologii możesz szukać różnic w słowach sztywność i brak elastyczności, dodając do tego znajomość materiału i składu deski można wyolbrzymiać zalety i ukrywać wady. Deska mając taką samą konstrukcje może posiadać różnice związane z
- wymiary rączki i jej materiał oraz jakość wykonania
- jakość drewna i kompozytu
- ogólna jakość wykonania, talent wykonawcy
-klejenie i dodatkowe suszenie i nawet prasowanie deski czy używanie UV.
Jak yogi pisze Tobie, że coś jest szybsze od czegoś to nic nie znaczy, bo warunki w których on gra mogą być inne w proporcji do warunków których Ty grasz.
Sam gram w 6 miejscach i rozumiem różnice.
To samo tyczy się okładzin.
Mając możliwość testowania setek okładzin mogę określić strukture materiału po kolorze podkładu czy też materiale wierzchu, znając głębszy sens jakošci materiału mogę określić sposób i jakość klejenia i wtedy okazuje się, że firma x ma podobny produkt do fimy y, ale ma inny materiał chemiczny, czasami zakupiony materiał podkład czy wierzch z innego źródła i ten sam produkt ma inne już właściwości związane ze sztywnością i sprężystością materiału.
Nie napisze który produkt odpowiada danemu produktowi ale całe ESN tworzy powtarzalny wyrób z innymi właściwościami . Puentując okładzina xioma może mieć te same fizyczne właściwości co okładziny Donica jednak grać będzie inaczej i tyle, a my konsumenci musimy określić który produkt pasuje idealnie i wspierać firmę która nam odpowiada, dlatego taka rakza 7/soft czy teraz X/Z ma ogromne wsparcie od amatorów czy pół profesjonalistów, bo ludzie uświadczyli jakości produktu. To samo się tyczy okładzin takich jak coppa x1/2/3 czy serii tenergy oraz serii Vega czy Acuda
Ludziom podpasowało i będą to używać dalej, a dostępność i cena będzie wyznacznikiem
Sorry for Polish words but Kuba can translate this but still this is not easy work

This is a stupid assumption. I am not in contract with the brands you mentioned nor i am getting paid. I have been offered with money before by a few companies but i never accepted them. Also, if you have the right reading comprehension, you should have already realized that what you are trying to say have already been done in my reviews.
Also, before trying to accuse somebody of doing reviews for money at least check that person's background. Let me just slap this information in your face. I do not do this for business! I have my own job to support myself. I have been doing this for almost a decade to support developing players and college varsities who do not have access to equipment?? Do you know that i support at least 6 clubs a year not including the individual players numbering to a dozen?? Do you know that 80% of what i receive i use to support young players?? Where is the money in that? What business strategy am i using to earn from giving 80% of what i have?!!
If you think you can make a better than what i do go ahead and post yours! I hate people building up themselves by trying to destroy other people.

yogi_bear
11-23-2020, 11:32 PM
Yogi bear has contract with xiom, joola, and other companies, he wont make other reviews because he didnt get money.
He use his knowledge to say something that is not clear truth, and I know that because I sell equipment too.
Czasami możesz powiedzieć że deska jest sztywna, czyli nie jest elastyczna, używając zamiennej terminologii możesz szukać różnic w słowach sztywność i brak elastyczności, dodając do tego znajomość materiału i składu deski można wyolbrzymiać zalety i ukrywać wady. Deska mając taką samą konstrukcje może posiadać różnice związane z
- wymiary rączki i jej materiał oraz jakość wykonania
- jakość drewna i kompozytu
- ogólna jakość wykonania, talent wykonawcy
-klejenie i dodatkowe suszenie i nawet prasowanie deski czy używanie UV.
Jak yogi pisze Tobie, że coś jest szybsze od czegoś to nic nie znaczy, bo warunki w których on gra mogą być inne w proporcji do warunków których Ty grasz.
Sam gram w 6 miejscach i rozumiem różnice.
To samo tyczy się okładzin.
Mając możliwość testowania setek okładzin mogę określić strukture materiału po kolorze podkładu czy też materiale wierzchu, znając głębszy sens jakošci materiału mogę określić sposób i jakość klejenia i wtedy okazuje się, że firma x ma podobny produkt do fimy y, ale ma inny materiał chemiczny, czasami zakupiony materiał podkład czy wierzch z innego źródła i ten sam produkt ma inne już właściwości związane ze sztywnością i sprężystością materiału.
Nie napisze który produkt odpowiada danemu produktowi ale całe ESN tworzy powtarzalny wyrób z innymi właściwościami . Puentując okładzina xioma może mieć te same fizyczne właściwości co okładziny Donica jednak grać będzie inaczej i tyle, a my konsumenci musimy określić który produkt pasuje idealnie i wspierać firmę która nam odpowiada, dlatego taka rakza 7/soft czy teraz X/Z ma ogromne wsparcie od amatorów czy pół profesjonalistów, bo ludzie uświadczyli jakości produktu. To samo się tyczy okładzin takich jak coppa x1/2/3 czy serii tenergy oraz serii Vega czy Acuda
Ludziom podpasowało i będą to używać dalej, a dostępność i cena będzie wyznacznikiem
Sorry for Polish words but Kuba can translate this but still this is not easy work


Regarding to my question. I was rather looking for a ballpark. I am not looking forward for the exact Omega VII china replacement. If I wanted to get the OVIIC I would just buy that. Donic is a company I like. Some of the stuff they make I really enjoyed including the hardest bluefire (M1?) or the Ovtcharov Senso I am using at the moment. I am looking forward to supporting the company if the product is any good. I am not looking forward to switching my FH rubber atm, but I am curious whether they are successful with this. The table tennis market is extremely slow to react to new products.

They are almost the same with maybe some company design preferences but at least they are in the ball park as what you are saying.

latej
11-27-2020, 12:38 PM
They are almost the same with maybe some company design preferences but at least they are in the ball park as what you are saying.

Thanks for the comparison. I'm using C1/C2 for FH/BH on Viscaria (couldn't set in profile), happy with it. Good to know, that it is not significantly worse than XIOM China.

Looking forward when your Rakza Z, especially the Extra Hard, arrives.

Rinforzando
02-09-2021, 09:46 AM
Can someone compare Bluegrip C1/C2 vs O7c Ying/Guang ? I'm just curious if they play the same or if they are drastically different.

virtuososiu
02-09-2021, 11:39 AM
same, curious about c1c2

yogi_bear
02-09-2021, 12:37 PM
Rinforzando;338987Can someone compare Bluegrip C1/C2 vs O7c Ying/Guang ? I'm just curious if they play the same or if they are drastically different.
This is the version of Ying and Guang for Donic.

Rinforzando
02-09-2021, 06:00 PM
This is the version of Ying and Guang for Donic.
Did you get the opportunity to try the bluegrip ? I'm playing with the bluegrip C2 at the moment, and would like to move to a Xiom rubber just because I'm curious (and I love the brand also). If It plays similar to the Bluegrip, I will try the Omega 7 hyper instead of the 07c Guang.

Konrad Bak
02-10-2021, 12:12 AM
Rinforzando;339017Did you get the opportunity to try the bluegrip ? I'm playing with the bluegrip C2 at the moment, and would like to move to a Xiom rubber just because I'm curious (and I love the brand also). If It plays similar to the Bluegrip, I will try the Omega 7 hyper instead of the 07c Guang.
Had chance to play with 7hyper and C2 on similiar top ply Hinoki, I don't have bad words about C2 and 7H. But mechanism of shots are very different. 7Hyper has special attributes and owns new language but has some bad behaviour with spinning ball but really special control for hard rubber. It's hard to judge small rotation because I only use 5 minutes.
C2 has ESN high throw long trajectory, this type of products are made for Zlc and alc blades, I enjoy quality of rubber but the Xiom restrictions for EU is not worth to pay more

Khang_huynh
03-10-2021, 01:28 PM
How does the O7 Tour compare to the O7 China Ying or Hyper, I have O7 Tour available here in my country but not the other two versions. I have O7 Pro in the backhand and I like it alot so I want to try other rubbers in the same line.

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Khang_huynh
03-10-2021, 01:35 PM
Plus, thank you Yogi[emoji16][emoji4], I have read many reviews of yours and it really helped me in picking good blades and rubbers, plus having appropriate techniques for certain types of rubbers.Keep up the good work [emoji122] and if you read this, have a good day.

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yogi_bear
03-10-2021, 02:56 PM
How does the O7 Tour compare to the O7 China Ying or Hyper, I have O7 Tour available here in my country but not the other two versions. I have O7 Pro in the backhand and I like it alot so I want to try other rubbers in the same line.

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O7 ying is harder but slower than Hyper or Tour. There are times the hard sponge of the Ying will have this ridiculous arc when spinning the ball but is more controllable than Hyper or Tour. I am more of an O7 Asia bh guy.

Khang_huynh
03-10-2021, 03:08 PM
O7 ying is harder but slower than Hyper or Tour. There are times the hard sponge of the Ying will have this ridiculous arc when spinning the ball but is more controllable than Hyper or Tour. I am more of an O7 Asia bh guy.

Does the Tour have more spin on fast loop or drive close to mid distance from the table?

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yogi_bear
03-11-2021, 12:09 AM
Does the Tour have more spin on fast loop or drive close to mid distance from the table?

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No. The Ying and Guang have higher level of spin. They way both topsheets grab or bite the ball is really like a chinese rubber.

Caddy
03-30-2021, 05:39 PM
Hi Yogi,

since you also tested the Rakza Z and Rakza Z EH, I was wondering if you could compare them to Omega VII China Guang. I play both Yasakas on BH and FH respectively. I like the RZ on BH in 2mm a lot, however the RZ EH on Forehand is quite heavy with 56 g cut. Furthermore the ball curve is a little to high for my taste...Since Omega Guang seems to be a few grams lighter I thought about getting this instead.

If the trajectory is a bit lower that would be perfect...Could you make a comparison?

Regards

yogi_bear
03-30-2021, 08:51 PM
Hi Yogi,

since you also tested the Rakza Z and Rakza Z EH, I was wondering if you could compare them to Omega VII China Guang. I play both Yasakas on BH and FH respectively. I like the RZ on BH in 2mm a lot, however the RZ EH on Forehand is quite heavy with 56 g cut. Furthermore the ball curve is a little to high for my taste...Since Omega Guang seems to be a few grams lighter I thought about getting this instead.

If the trajectory is a bit lower that would be perfect...Could you make a comparison?

Regards
They feel really different from the RZ's despite having the tacky topsheet. The RZ series feel a bit more tamed. The Guang and Ying are heavier since the Guang is supposedly at 55 degrees while 60 for the Ying. Please note that I played with the pre-prod version and the final market version of both O7c so I can tell you the market versions are both heavier. With regards to the performance, I would say Guang seem faster than RZ EH but the arc seem slightly lower in Guang. Speedwise, Guang is a bit faster.

Caddy
03-30-2021, 09:19 PM
They feel really different from the RZ's despite having the tacky topsheet. The RZ series feel a bit more tamed. The Guang and Ying are heavier since the Guang is supposedly at 55 degrees while 60 for the Ying. Please note that I played with the pre-prod version and the final market version of both O7c so I can tell you the market versions are both heavier. With regards to the performance, I would say Guang seem faster than RZ EH but the arc seem slightly lower in Guang. Speedwise, Guang is a bit faster.
You mean the Guang is even heavier than RZ EH despite being lower degree sponge hardness? I read somewhere Guang around 50 grams cut whereas my RZ EH has 55 grams.

yogi_bear
03-30-2021, 09:28 PM
You mean the Guang is even heavier than RZ EH despite being lower degree sponge hardness? I read somewhere Guang around 50 grams cut whereas my RZ EH has 55 grams.
Guang is 55 degrees, RZ EH is 53 to 55 degrees. I also had the RZ EH rubber so I know the differences of they weights.

yogi_bear
03-30-2021, 09:54 PM
The weights are 70 and 74 yes but these weights were from rubbers before full market versions came out
The market versions are are at 75 for Guang and 79 for Ying. Some differences +3-3 gms basing on 4pcs guang and ying rubbers I have used.
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latej
03-31-2021, 12:04 PM
You mean the Guang is even heavier than RZ EH despite being lower degree sponge hardness? I read somewhere Guang around 50 grams cut whereas my RZ EH has 55 grams.

I have Donic Bluegrip C1 and C2 glued on blade which is 87g and the setup is 200g. So I'd say the C2 is approx. 55/56 and C1 is approx. 58/57 cut. They may be similar to Guang and Ying...

yogi_bear
03-31-2021, 12:23 PM
I have Donic Bluegrip C1 and C2 glued on blade which is 87g and the setup is 200g. So I'd say the C2 is approx. 55/56 and C1 is approx. 58/57 cut. They may be similar to Guang and Ying...
They are almost similar rubbers with same Gen but guang n ying have different playing char somewhat.

Zeen
05-09-2021, 10:31 PM
So how high is the throw angle of O7C guang exactly?

yogi_bear
05-10-2021, 12:44 AM
So how high is the throw angle of O7C guang exactly?
Medium high throw

Zeen
05-10-2021, 01:40 AM
Medium high throw
Thanks, sounds good to me. I might buy a sheet soon.

729B2
07-17-2021, 04:01 PM
Donic Bluegrip C1 and C2 vs ying and guang?