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Muhammad Saim
04-14-2020, 04:10 PM
Master's Cup is a tournament comprising of the Top 32 players of Pakistan.

Here is a match between Muhammad Usman (Blue) vs Abdul Raheem (White).

Hope you enjoy!

https://youtu.be/2grlr3vWFGs

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zyu81
04-14-2020, 05:55 PM
Not to be rude, but this is a much lower level than I expected for the top 32 of any country, especially one of Pakistan's size. Is it a small sport in Pakistan, with low participation? Lack of funding? Are the players in this video only top 32, or would they also be top 16,8,4, etc? I'd be curious to know a little more.

Muhammad Saim
04-14-2020, 06:00 PM
Totally understandable and I agree with what you're saying.

Abdul Raheem, the one in the white shirt was the runner-up in this tournament. Make of that what you will

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zyu81
04-14-2020, 06:04 PM
Thanks for sharing. I didn't know much about the state of TT in Pakistan, or the Middle East really.

Muhammad Saim
04-14-2020, 06:04 PM
Is it a small sport in Pakistan, with low participation? Lack of funding?.

Yes a relatively small sport. Although there are many clubs around the country. Most of them are not up to standard.

Finding a High level coach is very very difficult. Although equipment is not that expense here. There are not a lot of players in Pakistan, which is mostly due to the lack of funding in the sport. Only a couple of our players have sponsorship deals.

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jfolsen
04-14-2020, 06:07 PM
How in the world did Abdul Raheem get away with wearing that shirt in a sanctioned tournament? It's half white.

zyu81
04-14-2020, 06:08 PM
Yes a relatively small sport. Although there are many clubs around the country. Most of them are not up to standard.

Finding a High level coach is very very difficult. Although equipment is not that expense here. There are not a lot of players in Pakistan, which is mostly due to the lack of funding in the sport. Only a couple of our players have sponsorship deals.

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Yes, a lack of coaches makes it difficult, even if there is interest. Some countries can survive without federal funding, but because some coaches open up establishments and grow clubs at a grassroots level, there is enough interest and continuity across generations. Without that, it must be very difficult.

Muhammad Saim
04-14-2020, 06:08 PM
How in the world did Abdul Raheem get away with wearing that shirt in a sanctioned tournament? It's half white.I don't know man, lenient opponents maybe?

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Muhammad Saim
04-14-2020, 06:11 PM
Yes, a lack of coaches makes it difficult, even if there is interest. Some countries can survive without federal funding, but because some coaches open up establishments and grow clubs at a grassroots level, there is enough interest and continuity across generations. Without that, it must be very difficult.It is brother! Most of our national team members are self taught and go up to provincial level without coaches. Even in international matches, other senior players are in the coaches seat.

Also you can evaluate the interest of the youth as Pakistan number 1 is around 55 years old

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Kuba Hajto
04-14-2020, 08:30 PM
Yes a relatively small sport. Although there are many clubs around the country. Most of them are not up to standard.

Finding a High level coach is very very difficult. Although equipment is not that expense here. There are not a lot of players in Pakistan, which is mostly due to the lack of funding in the sport. Only a couple of our players have sponsorship deals.

It's dead circle of lack of funding. One get poor results because there is lack of funding. Government (or any other governing party) will not fund anything that does not yield measurable results.

There is one good catch though. In most of countries you can get funding by not specifying sport results as funding goal but improving society physical and mental health. We have such project starting soon Cracow (Corona did mess it up a bit though), city funded a place to train and a coach to teach basics (the only requirement is that beneficiary must be citizen of Cracow in our case). I wanted to mention it because it may inspire someone somewhere somewhen to take similar actions to spread TT love.

fais
04-14-2020, 09:51 PM
What do you guys think would be the USATT rating equivalency?

piligrim
04-14-2020, 10:09 PM
In Canada we have many players from Pakistan in very high level, over 2000, some around 2400

zyu81
04-15-2020, 12:39 AM
What do you guys think would be the USATT rating equivalency?

These guys don't look much better than 1900 TTR or 2200 USATT to me...

NextLevel
04-15-2020, 12:51 AM
The Pakistani #2 once came to train in the US and he was around 2200-2350. One of my very best friends is from Pakistan and said that Qureshi is their #1, 55 year old who kinda plays Seemiller but with his own take on it.

It is just a remind that Chinese coaching hasn't permeated the whole world. I am sure if they had a Chinese coach and funding, they could easily raise their national level.

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 05:22 AM
We have such project starting soon Cracow (Corona did mess it up a bit though), city funded a place to train and a coach to teach basics (the only requirement is that beneficiary must be citizen of Cracow in our case). I wanted to mention it because it may inspire someone somewhere somewhen to take similar actions to spread TT love.

Wow. This is a very good thing that you guys are doing. Props to you.

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 05:23 AM
The Pakistani #2 once came to train in the US and he was around 2200-2350. One of my very best friends is from Pakistan and said that Qureshi is their #1, 55 year old who kinda plays Seemiller but with his own take on it.

It is just a remind that Chinese coaching hasn't permeated the whole world. I am sure if they had a Chinese coach and funding, they could easily raise their national level.

Do you remember the #2's name? Was it Rameez or Shah Khan?

Anyways, you are absolutely right. Any coach and funding will most likely significantly raise our national level.

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 05:25 AM
Also to all of you giving commentary on the match and players, I would like your opnions on more matches players whose matches I have uploaded on my channel.

Should I post the links are or create separate threads for the matches?

Thanks in Advance!

NextLevel
04-15-2020, 06:00 AM
Do you remember the #2's name? Was it Rameez or Shah Khan?

Anyways, you are absolutely right. Any coach and funding will most likely significantly raise our national level.
I am fairly sure from memory it was Rameez. But I will try to confirm.

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 06:09 AM
I am fairly sure from memory it was Rameez. But I will try to confirm.Yes I'm sure it would be because he was number 2 for a few years

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NextLevel
04-15-2020, 06:13 AM
Yes I'm sure it would be because he was number 2 for a few years

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Yeah. My friend back then used it to explain to me how bad the state of TT was in Pakistan. Such things are clearly not immutable. You just need someone to bring in the right level. Saudi Arabia is developing some really strong players. And for me anyone who plays in that top 200 strength or easily USATT 2600+ strength is strong .

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 06:21 AM
Yeah. My friend back then used it to explain to me how bad the state of TT was in Pakistan. Such things are clearly not immutable. You just need someone to bring in the right level. Saudi Arabia is developing some really strong players. And for me anyone who plays in that top 200 strength or easily USATT 2600+ strength is strong .There is also a match of Rameez against Fan Zhendong in Asian Games or Asian Championships. You can also evaluate the level of Pakistan from that match

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NextLevel
04-15-2020, 06:29 AM
There is also a match of Rameez against Fan Zhendong in Asian Games or Asian Championships. You can also evaluate the level of Pakistan from that match

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Fan Zhendong can make many strong players look bad.

Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 06:30 AM
Fan Zhendong can make many strong players look bad.True true

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Muhammad Saim
04-15-2020, 06:33 AM
https://youtu.be/2of9NRKKxjo

Would love commentary on this match also.

Two of the Top players in Karachi, Pakistan

Saim Adnan in green
Aahil Shah in gray.

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