Promorac Carbon off+ vs photino

I have played with the primorac off+ carbon and it wasn't until I changed to a new blade that I was able to realise that it really lacked control and feeling and had too much hardness and speed. I changed to a Donic Waldner Senso Carbon blade which is more controlled and is carbon with a hollow handle and has a lot more feeling in it. I don't know about the photino but I would definitely say give it a try, changing off the primorac carbon will help your game I think

Photino is basically the same thing only with zylon instead of carbon. Maybe there is a slight thickness difference but the layers and woods are the same.

Interested in the zetro Quad info as well here.
Seems to me Haris, you are looking for a Boll spirit blade. It should suit you perfectly!
The Boll ALC would also be great, but yet again more expensive...

haris said:

olvarox,
innerforce ALC i have it in mind. photino+xiom are is same levels of speed. what about the speed of alc comparing to primorac??
it's ok about the price..i will keep it for many years..i hve primorac the last ten years.

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You should also look into the Innerforce ZLF. That is the best of those blades that Butterfly makes. Perfect balance of speed, feeling, control and dwell time. The Photino feels okay close to the table but there is something strange about it and further from the table there is a big drop in power. It is missing something. Not so for the Innerforce ZLF. It has more control, feeling and dwell time than the other Butterfly technology blades but it is good from all ranges, close, short game, looping short balls, and attacking from any distance.

Innerforce/Boll and any other thin 5+2's will be really different and require a lot of adjustment....even if their top speed is close to Primorac Carbon the response will be much less linear. They are slower on touch shots and some of them can be almost the same speed as Primorac Carbon when you hit very hard. Zetro Quad and Photino are both better choices, but I have switched between Xiom and Butterfly before and the way the handles are made, the blade head is located differently relative to where you grip. If you change from one to the other, your hitting will miss the sweet spot of the other very slightly...it may take a few weeks to really adjust. Maybe you can consider Amultart....it is between Photino and Primorac carbon, but maybe that won't be a big enough difference for you. Photino and Zetro Quad fit your criteria though. I have not played with Innerforce ZLF before so I cannot say...but I have used or hit with a lot of thin 5+2's like Viscaria, Mizutani, Boll ZLF, and now my Boll ZLC and I can say for sure they are quite different from my old Xiom Strato which is really similar to your Primorac Carbon (6.8-7mm hinoki-carbon)...

Hi Haris,
I have a photino and played with it for a year, tenergy 05 both sides, the blade is fantastic for blocking and attacking topspin, loop and counter punching through spin. However it is quick and if like me your technique still requires fine tuning then maybe not the blade for you. It has a catapult effect ( I know your thinking it was my tenergy) even with Sriver L on it that I could not control. Lost a lot of points long of the end of the table. I have gone back to a wooden blade now.

If you have very good technique its worth the investment - especially watching your opponents face when the ball flies past them.

Good luck

Blocking should be about the same...they are just a little slower than your Primorac Carbon...a little bit, with softer feel.

You will have to let us know how you like it when you have played with it. I, for one, am interested in hearing. Hope that it is great and you love playing with it.

Yeah I am looking forward to your thoughts as well. I think you will like it. The person with the Zetro Quad that I know used to change equipment a lot, but he has stayed with the Zetro Quad for a long time and still uses it.