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1988.lux-yk
08-01-2020, 05:13 PM
Hello, could someone compare these Shirt Pips; VO<102, Spinpips Red, Rakza PO.

I started a few months ago playing SP on FH, began with 802-40 but changed soon to VO<102 in 2,0.
I don't have that much experience and I'd like a bit of insight to how the other 2 Pips play.

I know by now, that the 102 are the softest with 37°, Rakza should be at 40°? And Spinpips Red at 42° or 45°?

A few Things I'd like to know,
-Speed on drive
-Speed on smash
-"Looping" on Underspin Easy to difficult
-Throw from high to low
-Arc from curbed to flat
-Strength of Glue Effect from high to low

Perhaps someone can say something about Stiga Symmetry? They look interesting, but no reviews I've seen so far.

Thx

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Lula
08-01-2020, 07:53 PM
Do not think PO is so much harder than victas. Pretty similar i believe. PO have less grip.

Sedis
08-01-2020, 08:53 PM
Judging by the shape of the pips, that it is 'made in Japan' and that the sponge is listed as 'medium hardness', I suspect Stiga Symmetry will be quite similar to TSP Spectol Blue. So quite fast, good for blocking and hitting and have a bit more grip than you might expect given the cylinder and ladder shape of the pips, although still less than a 'spinny pips' with larger ladder shaped pips.

lasta
08-02-2020, 01:57 AM
Have not tried the Rakza, but by Lula's account, it doesn't interest me.

For the Victas and TSP, TSP is a bit harder than Victas but still significantly softer than most inverted rubbers. Victas is noticeably gripper, but the TSP has higher speed potential. The TSP is also much more durable.

-Speed on drive - Equal, maybe leaning towards Victas
-Speed on smash - TSP
-"Looping" on Underspin Easy to difficult - Victas
-Throw from high to low - Victas
-Arc from curbed to flat - Victas
-Strength of Glue Effect from high to low - What is glue effect? Boosting seems to have a bigger effect on the TSP, but don't expect night and day differnces with boosting any short pips.

lasta
08-02-2020, 02:04 AM
One thing to mention is that the Victas consistency is not very good. I've had three sheets, two were very soft, one was firm-ish. Lightest was 37g cut (for penhold with gap), the heavier one was 41g.

I liked the firmer one if that helps.

Lula
08-02-2020, 05:35 AM
I Have tried some pips and will settle and play with victas. Felt best for me.

1988.lux-yk
08-03-2020, 07:53 AM
Thanks so far for the useful insights.

Glue Effect, was meant for the built-in Speedglue Effect, sorrd I thought it was understandable. But here you go.

Interesting I'd need to weigh the rubber.



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lasta
08-03-2020, 08:14 AM
Thanks so far for the useful insights.

Glue Effect, was meant for the built-in Speedglue Effect, sorrd I thought it was understandable. But here you go.

Interesting I'd need to weigh the rubber.



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Don't worry too much. I was just pointing it out. All rubbers have discrepancies. The soft rubbers played fine too.

"Speed glue effect" is a marketing term. Don't pay too much attention to it. Even real speed glue made a marginal at best difference for direct impacts (read Tiefenbacher articles on Ittfeducation.com). Boosting makes even less speed difference, but does make the sound crisper.

1988.lux-yk
08-03-2020, 08:30 AM
It has a different feel to it, I'd say, I only played 802-40 in 2020, Spectol once on a friends racket in 2014, tried for a summer Super Spinpips on BH 2008? yet I've felt a difference in touch between the VO<102 and the rest, which I attributed the tension in the Sponge. Even my trainer agreed to it and he trained a few Short and Long Pip Players in the 90's and 00's but not since 2009 and so he didnt knew exactly of "Speedglue-Pips" so in shorty I have a better feeling with it than a classic Pip, perhaps that's the effect of playing 10 years with Reversed Rubber with "Speedglue-Effect" ;)

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