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el gato
03-19-2012, 10:25 PM
hello ,which of xiom omega series is clode to tenergy 05 ?

TTFrenzy
03-20-2012, 11:32 AM
xiom omega IV pro or elite . I play with omega iv elite on the backhand and im very satisfied with it . Its 80 % as good as tenergy in speed and 90 % in spin and it costs half a tenergy . definetely worth to give it a try . Pro is more fast , europe even faster and asia is like a tenergy 64 in terms of speed . The only thing that changes is the sponge , all xiom omega rubbers have the same topsheet . Hope i helped :)

azlan
03-20-2012, 11:38 AM
I would say Omega IV Pro. Vega Pro is a bit harder. The Omega IV Elite is closer to T64.

TTFrenzy
03-20-2012, 12:02 PM
I just edited my post after getting correct info from tt edge and my club mates


xiom omega iv elite is similar to T64 not T05 ! t05 has harder sponge than T64

hard sponge = big swing = maximum speed (hard sponges need more power to compress but when they do they give more speed than softer sponges , it is like the modulus of elasticity in springs)

soft sponge = big swing = maximum control

azlan
03-20-2012, 12:07 PM
Hey TTF...nice video and thanx for the info buddy:)

TTFrenzy
03-20-2012, 12:09 PM
thanx , im a fan of physics / mechanics so i try to study table tennis from their point of view to understand it better :P

ttEDGE - William
03-20-2012, 01:38 PM
tenergy 64 is really fast with hard sponge . xiom omega iv elite is slower with softer sponge . xiom omega iv asia with the hardest sponge of all omega iv series is the closest one to tenergy 64

hard sponge = big swing = maximum speed (hard sponges need more power to compress but when they do they give more speed than softer sponges , it is like the modulus of elasticity in springs)

soft sponge = big swing = maximum control

tenergy 05 and xiom omega iv elite have soft sponges so they are similar



My experience is the opposite frenzy. 05 has harder sponge and is preferred by top players as a forehand rubber. 64 is softer, has a higher throw and is more common on the backhand (as mechanics and technique is generally worse on most backhands IMO).

WiWa
03-20-2012, 02:06 PM
My experience is the opposite frenzy. 05 has harder sponge and is preferred by top players as a forehand rubber. 64 is softer, has a higher throw and is more common on the backhand (as mechanics and technique is generally worse on most backhands IMO).

Indeed, 64 is supposed to be the softer one of the Tenergy family. I always used it on my FH and 05 on BH since my BH is much better haha. Now I use Xiom Vega Pro on both sides, it will definitely stay on the BH, not yet sure about my FH.

TTFrenzy
03-20-2012, 02:23 PM
i admit i havent played much with T64 to have a full 100 % opinion . other players who use it have informed me about the hardness of this rubber . i have only played with t05 and t05 FX for a descent period of time . Im sorry for the misleading information my bad !

azlan
03-20-2012, 04:14 PM
So I was right the first time?? Hahahaha:0

sxTT
03-21-2012, 12:57 AM
vega pro, but i havent tried omega series

UpSideDownCarl
03-21-2012, 06:05 AM
I don't know that the Xiom rubbers are actually like the Tenergy rubbers. I think they are like the Xiom rubbers. They are good. They are worth trying.

This is my understanding of the Tenergy rubbers. 05, 64 and 25 all have the same sponge. They sponge is not what changes. 05 has the smallest pips (narrowest diameter). 64, the pips are a little bigger which gives the topsheet a harder feel, but the sponge is the same. 25 has the largest pips, look at them if you ever get a chance, they are really big. That gives 25 the hardest feel. Again the sponge is not what has changed. Just the pips. All three have the same spring sponge.

With Xiom Omega IV, this is my understanding. What changes is the sponge, except on the Pro where the Sponge and the Top Sheet has changed. Elite has the softest sponge. Europe is harder than Elite but softer than Pro or Asia. Asia is the Hardest. And then, with Pro, the sponge is somewhere in between the hardness of Europe and Asia, and the topsheet is a slightly harder rubber.

Here is the link to where I got that info on Xiom Omega IV: http://www.mytabletennis.com/shop/rubber/inverted-rubber/xiom-omega-iv-pro-rubber.html

el gato
03-21-2012, 07:43 AM
Thank you all. I send an e mail and asked the xiom.

The answer was that the omega pro is close to tenergy 05.

UpSideDownCarl
03-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Thank you all. I send an e mail and asked the xiom.

The answer was that the omega pro is close to tenergy 05.

I have hit with them both. The sponge bounces differently. The topsheet is waaaaaaay different. They both are good rubbers but they are not similar. I like Omega IV Pro about as much as Tenergy 05 but they are not similar. They both work well but they do not play like each other.

UpSideDownCarl
03-21-2012, 06:09 PM
More on the differences:

Tenergy's topsheet has a slight tackiness. Xiom's topsheet is completely smooth. So they generate spin differently.

Tenergy's spring sponge, when you bounce the ball softly on it is not bouncy. But when you dig in to a shot, the spring in the sponge kicks in. Xiom Omega IV Pro's sponge is much more bouncy when you drop the ball softly on it, but has about the same bounce when you swing harder.

Xiom Omega IV Pro is excellent rubber. Perhaps, just as good. But they are very different rubbers.

TTFrenzy
03-22-2012, 10:45 AM
obviously el gato wants a rubber cheaper than tenergy with "similar" efficiency or at least close to tenergy

UpSideDownCarl
03-22-2012, 12:08 PM
obviously el gato wants a rubber cheaper than tenergy with "similar" efficiency or at least close to tenergy

Xiom Omege IV Pro is great, Omega IV Europe is great, Omega III Europe is great, Vega Pro is great. Any of those are top notch. More than good enough to use to replace Tenergy. But they do not play like Tenergy. :) I just don't think Tenergy should be the comparison in that way. They are different. The Calibra rubbers are not like Tenergy either but they are great rubbers.

el gato
03-22-2012, 01:24 PM
xiom vega pro is good rubber or just cheap rubber ?

can you anyone give a review? is cole to tenergy?

UpSideDownCarl
03-25-2012, 12:46 AM
Vega Pro is pretty good. Omega IV is supposed to be the improved version but Vega Pro is quite good and quite reasonably priced.

el gato
03-25-2012, 09:00 PM
Thank you :)

azlan
03-25-2012, 09:23 PM
I've been using Vega Pro ever since it was launched and I've gone through 8 of them so far. Another thing I noticed is that it's nice to slap the ball around. Hit the ball flat and watch it go!:)

el gato
03-25-2012, 10:32 PM
I've been using Vega Pro ever since it was launched and I've gone through 8 of them so far. Another thing I noticed is that it's nice to slap the ball around. Hit the ball flat and watch it go!:)

I will do it.:D

Giangt
06-28-2012, 12:00 PM
t05 has harder sponge than T64

hard sponge = big swing = maximum speed (hard sponges need more power to compress but when they do they give more speed than softer sponges , it is like the modulus of elasticity in springs)

soft sponge = big swing = maximum control



This is my understanding of the Tenergy rubbers. 05, 64 and 25 all have the same sponge. They sponge is not what changes. 05 has the smallest pips (narrowest diameter). 64, the pips are a little bigger which gives the topsheet a harder feel, but the sponge is the same. 25 has the largest pips, look at them if you ever get a chance, they are really big. That gives 25 the hardest feel. Again the sponge is not what has changed. Just the pips. All three have the same spring sponge.

All Tenergy's have the same sponge and all the FX's have the same sponge. The differences is as Carl pointed out, that the pips are different. Although the differences between 05 and 64 is that the pips are same size but there is less of them on the 64 thus making it "softer". That's why there's so many of CNT using the 64 as BH rubber.

Sorry guys but I just wanted to point it out. :)

olvarox
06-28-2012, 03:40 PM
The topsheet of xiom is very different from Tenergy Rubbers


Tenergy 05 is definately harder than 64, no doubt whatsoever

decoy
06-29-2012, 01:09 AM
which of the xioms is close to 05fx.. for sometime after doing research omega 4 elite seemed to be a good counterpart.. but its meant to be butterly soft??

anyone got an insight

Der_Echte
06-29-2012, 03:17 PM
NOTHING is like Tenergy 05, PERIOD. Having said that, I do not use Tenergy any moar. Too expensive. I have other rubber that suit me well enough to never pay for Tenergy again, ever.

decoy
06-30-2012, 12:44 PM
doesnt have to be like it just similar

papgesig
09-30-2012, 12:18 PM
Why is there always a comparison......Xiom is close to behaving like Xiom and T05 will behave like T05.......stop trying to figure out what is closest and buy T05 for its performance or you can just buy Xiom and expect it to perform like Xiom thank you, the end.

laurenz_marvin
10-02-2012, 08:44 AM
Thanks this thread, my time has been saved thinking of what rubber should I buy with my small budget. :cool:

RIPPER
10-02-2012, 10:06 PM
xiom omega is a quality rubber however it does not propel upwards as much as tenergy and I doubt that any of the xiom rubbers will however still a very good rubber

Iczy
10-03-2012, 12:26 AM
Here's my two cents.

Don't fixate too much on your equipment. Try some and choose one that is most closely suited to your style of play. Then train hard to adapt to it, not the other way around. for most of us amateurs, there is little chance of customized rubbers like the pros so live with this fact. Focusing too much on equipment will slow down your progress. Instead you should focus on your training.

papgesig
10-03-2012, 04:12 PM
Here's my two cents.

Don't fixate too much on your equipment. Try some and choose one that is most closely suited to your style of play. Then train hard to adapt to it, not the other way around. for most of us amateurs, there is little chance of customized rubbers like the pros so live with this fact. Focusing too much on equipment will slow down your progress. Instead you should focus on your training.

Agreed.... just to add a couple of pences, i play with Xiom Sigma Pro in max and it is fantastic and really people have been saying they are heavy..well they are not, the best part of it is that it plays like Xiom and i did not even compare it to anything lol......

adnan
01-16-2015, 08:09 PM
vega europe boosted