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TableTennisDaily
02-12-2021, 10:48 AM
The first International table tennis event of 2021 begins later this month with a World Table Tennis event in Doha! There will be two events in Doha, the contender and star event. This topic is for the contender event.

The WTT Contender Doha has a prize pool of $200,000!

Date: 28th Feb to 6 Mar 2021

Draw - Coming soon

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/server/php/files/38/324/21/02/26/tomokazuharimotowtt2021.jpg
Tomokazu Harimoto enters WTT Doha as the number 1 seed. Photo via ITTF Flickr


Men's Singles

01) Tomokazu Harimoto
02) Hugo Calderano
03) Lin Yun-Ju
04) Mattias Falck
05) Dimitrij Ovtcharov
06) Liam Pitchford
07) Simon Gauzy
08) Quadri Aruna
09) Lee Sangsu
10) Robert Gardos
11) Marcos Freitas
12) Chuang Chih Yuan
13) Kristian Karlsson
14) Jonathan Groth
15) Darko Jorgic
16) Kamal Sharath Achanta

Full entries here. (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_Contender_Provisional_EntryLists_MenSingles_080221_F.pdf)


Women's Singles

01) Mima Ito
02) Cheng I-Ching
03) Kasumi Ishikawa
04) Miu Hirano
05) Feng Tianwei
06) Adriana Diaz
07) Hyowon Suh
08) Ying Han
09) Chen Szu-Yu
10) Bernadette Szocs
11) Britt Eerland
12) Hina Hayata
13) Lily Zhang
14) Margaryta Pesotska
15) Elizabeta Samara
16) Dina Meshree

Full entries here. (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_Contender_Provisional_EntryLists_WomenSingles_300121_F.pdf)

A fantastic tournament to follow, be sure to get involved in the TTD discussions. We can use this topic as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this World Table Tennis event! What are your predictions for the men's and women's singles?

Atas Newton
02-12-2021, 11:52 AM
Both men's and women's sides have a couple of strong favourites but the rest of the field look super balanced. Gonna be a great tournament.

Vlad Celler
02-12-2021, 06:30 PM
Pay attention ... Hina Hayata hasn't played a single match in the T-League this year ...
Why?

edgesandnets
02-12-2021, 10:57 PM
Men's Singles

01) Xu Xin
02) Tomokazu Harimoto
03) Hugo Calderano
04) Lin Yun-Ju
05) Mattias Falck
06) Jang Woojin
07) Dimitrij Ovtcharov
08) Jeoung Youngsik
09) Quadri Aruna
10) Lee Sangsu
11) Robert Gardos
12) Marcos Freitas
13) Chuang Chih Yuan
14) Vladimir Samsonov
15) Kristian Karlsson
16) Jonathan Groth

Full entries here. (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_StarContender_Provisional_EntryLists_MenSingles_010221_F.pdf)


Women's Singles

01) Sun Yingsha
02) Mima Ito
03) Liu Shiwen
04) Cheng I-Ching
05) Kasumi Ishikawa
06) Miu Hirano
07) Feng Tianwei
08) Jeon Jihee
09) Hyowon Suh
10) Ying Han
11) Chen Szu-Yu
12) Bernadette Szocs
13) Britt Eerland
14) Hina Hayata
15) Lily Zhang
16) Margaryta Pesotska

Full entries here. (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_StarContender_Provisional_EntryLists_WomenSingles_300121_F.pdf)

A fantastic tournament to follow, be sure to get involved in the TTD discussions. We can use this topic as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this World Table Tennis event! What are your predictions for the men's and women's singles?


The list is missing the wild cards players. Patrick Franziska, Koki Niwa, Jun Mizutani, Liam Pitchford, and Simon Gauzy will also be playing men's singles. Sofia Polcanova, Adriana Diaz, and Petrissa Solja will also play women's singles

SFF_lib
02-13-2021, 10:17 AM
Covid cases are increasing significantly in Qatar. Hopefully they will keep it under control.

TableTennisDaily
02-13-2021, 11:49 AM
The list is missing the wild cards players. Patrick Franziska, Koki Niwa, Jun Mizutani, Liam Pitchford, and Simon Gauzy will also be playing men's singles. Sofia Polcanova, Adriana Diaz, and Petrissa Solja will also play women's singles

Good spot. Updated 🏓

TTHopeful
02-13-2021, 12:44 PM
like the line up, wonder how this event will look. Like macao but in blue? Hopefully less of the side camera angle

igorponger
02-14-2021, 11:32 AM
Covid-19: Hong Kong table tennis team refuse to go to Doha as ‘safety measures do not meet requirements’

https://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/3119752/covid-19-hong-kong-table-tennis-team-refuse-go-doha-safety-measures (https://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/3119752/covid-19-hong-kong-table-tennis-team-refuse-go-doha-safety-measures)

lugi2000
02-14-2021, 11:41 AM
Covid-19: Hong Kong table tennis team refuse to go to Doha as ‘safety measures do not meet requirements’

https://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/3119752/covid-19-hong-kong-table-tennis-team-refuse-go-doha-safety-measures (https://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/3119752/covid-19-hong-kong-table-tennis-team-refuse-go-doha-safety-measures)
The Cases are on the rise hopefully it doesn't get cancelled WE WANT TO WATCH SOME TABLE TENNIS

driversbeat
02-15-2021, 03:29 AM
Both men's and women's sides have a couple of strong favourites but the rest of the field look super balanced. Gonna be a great tournament.
Hayata's presence alone balances out the bottom half seeds for women 🤭
But chances are the event will be cancelled and I won't get to see Liu Shiwen play again 😭

Vlad Celler
02-15-2021, 02:43 PM
Pay attention ... Hina Hayata hasn't played a single match in the T-League this year ...
Why?

zeio
02-15-2021, 04:41 PM
It looks like Red Elf intends to help Hirano get up to speed after the All-Japan. She's been playing non-stop. Hayata is likely taking a break, which would be a good chance for her to hone her skills.

zeio
02-17-2021, 06:33 AM
WTT Middle East Hub greenlighted, after this (https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/gilas/story/_/id/30883179/fiba-asia-cup-qualifiers-doha-cancelled-due-covid-situation) and this (https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1104358/fig-world-cup-doha-postponed).

https://www.ittf.com/2021/02/16/safety-measures-tightened-wtt-middle-east-hub-olympic-qualifications/

Despite some cancellations of other sports in recent days, the WTT Middle East Hub has been approved and will be subject to strict regulations in place from the Qatar government. Since table tennis is an indoor sport, spectators will not be allowed. The local authorities are also ensuring thorough compliance to regulations and strict penalties will be put in place for anyone who breaks those regulations.

zeio
02-24-2021, 09:33 AM
CNT has decided to withdraw from both Contender and Star Contender out of safety concerns.

http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2021/0224/375902.html

中国乒乓球队取消参加2021WTT中东赛事汇
2021-02-24 16:30中国乒乓球协会

  中国乒协与国家队教练组经过对参赛有关的旅行、时间安排以及全球疫情等因素进行全面研判和慎重考虑,以保护运动员安全、健康为首要考虑,同时结合下一阶段的备战计划,正式决定退出2月28日至3月20日在卡塔尔多哈举行的WTT中东赛事汇的两站比赛。经过积极沟通,国际组织和卡塔尔主办方对我队取消参赛一事均表示充分理解和尊重。

  国家队目前将留在海南陵水继续备战。

  中国乒乓球协会

  2021年2月24日

Vlad Celler
02-24-2021, 01:18 PM
Interesting ... Japan will also withdraw the application?

Tango K
02-24-2021, 01:31 PM
What a blow!!! A boring March... UK indoor sports only open earliest late April.

lugi2000
02-24-2021, 01:33 PM
Maybe get postponed if big countries not turning up..

zeio
02-24-2021, 02:03 PM
JNT will likely go as planned.

http://www.jtta.or.jp/tournament/tabid/125/rptid/703/Default.aspx

Vlad Celler
02-24-2021, 03:23 PM
Thank!
Then Mima Ito has a chance to reach second place in the new ranking ...

edgesandnets
02-24-2021, 04:10 PM
Thank!
Then Mima Ito has a chance to reach second place in the new ranking ...

unless she completely falls apart, ito will almost certainly move into second.

Music&Ping
02-24-2021, 05:08 PM
The Cases are on the rise hopefully it doesn't get cancelled WE WANT TO WATCH SOME TABLE TENNIS Then TT players shall die TT players going to Doha be like:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmInkxbvlCs?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

zeio
02-25-2021, 07:00 AM
On Feb 25th, JTTA has updated its webpage with an entry introducing the WTT structure, indicating they will try to send players to events with appropriate precautions.

http://www.jtta.or.jp/news/aobut/tabid/103/Default.aspx?itemid=1091&dispmid=580

コロナ禍の中での新しい形式の大会ということもあり、混乱の中でのスタートとなります。
WTTへの問い合わせに対する回答も二転三転しているような状況ではありますが、日本卓球協会としてはできる限り柔軟に対応してまいります。
大きな変更等が出てまいりましたら、本会webサイト等でお知らせいたします。いずれにしても、日本卓球協会においては、十分な感染予防措置を講じた上で選手団を派遣し、大会結果をご報告致します。

lugi2000
02-25-2021, 07:58 AM
Harimoto or Ovtcharov to win Doha now 🤔

Heiko Seyer
02-25-2021, 09:24 AM
Totally exaggerated by CTTV not to send the 6 players to Doha!

TTHopeful
02-25-2021, 09:30 AM
Totally exaggerated by CTTV not to send the 6 players to Doha!
Who's decision was it? If cnt quarentene on arrival to China should have no problem ?

zeio
02-25-2021, 09:59 AM
The National Games is more important.

http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2021/0224/375918.html

中国乒乓球队调整备战安排,退出WTT中东赛事汇2021-02-24 16:54中国乒乓球协会 (http://www.ctta.cn/)  2月24日,中国乒协正式宣布,中国乒乓球队退出2月28日至3月20日在卡塔尔多哈举行的WTT中东赛事汇两站比赛。  近期,全球多地新冠疫情有加剧趋势,卡塔尔政府公共卫生部门也已经取消或延期举办包括男篮亚洲杯预赛、体操世界杯等在内的多项赛事。中国乒协与国家队教练组经过反复研判和慎重考虑,以保护运动员安全、健康为首要原则,同时结合下一阶段的备战计划,在征得国家体育总局同意后,正式决定退出2月28日至3月20日在卡塔尔多哈举行的WTT中东赛事汇的两站比赛。  目前距离东京奥运会比赛不满150天,对于国乒来说,严格执行每一天的备战安排都至关重要。中国乒协秘书长、国家队男队主教练秦志戬表示:“协会和教练组结合出国参赛旅行途中可能存在的疫情风险、回程没有合适航班、以及回国内后还有21-28天无法训练的隔离期等情况充分考虑,认为这将极大影响运动员训练备战和后续全运会预赛的安排。我们也充分听取了各单位和参赛运动员的意见,一致认为现阶段留在国内训练是更好的选择。”  中国乒协在给卡塔尔乒协的致函中写到“虽然最终未能成行,但还是十分感谢WTT世界乒联和卡塔尔乒协前期对我协会和球队的帮助。衷心预祝所有赛事参与者安全、健康,比赛顺利圆满。”通过中国乒协积极、细致的沟通,国际组织和卡塔尔乒协对国乒取消参赛的决定表示尊重和充分理解。国际乒联首席执行官、WTT世界乒联董事史蒂夫•丹顿认为,目前疫情情势下各国家和地区防疫有关的旅行与隔离政策都不尽相同,非常理解中国队所做出的决定。  谈到下一阶段的安排,秦志戬指出:“我们已经从战略上更新了计划。将利用原本卡塔尔比赛和回国隔离的这段时间,充分考虑各省市单位和运动员的意见,争取在3月底到4月初选择合适的时间,积极稳妥完成好全运会预选赛。这也是关乎各省市顺利完成全运会这项重要赛事任务的关键工作。另外,国乒也将利用好时间有针对性地组织训练,备战接下来计划在中国举行的WTT中国赛事汇。”  据了解,国际组织计划于5月期间在中国举办3至4站高级别国际赛事,其奥运积分级别将有望与世锦赛、奥运会持平,同时还将包含东京奥运会前最后一个世界混双资格。如果计划推进顺利,中国队将可以在国内完成奥运前的备战热身赛。

Music&Ping
02-25-2021, 11:26 AM
Everyone here knows I hate boosters, but I've got good news ! indeed some say at the WTT HQ that a new boostering detection device will be introduced for that occasion, it's called "The Bedivere", China may have taken control of our sport, they do really want to make it as clean as possible:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/zrzMhU_4m-g?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Vlad Celler
02-25-2021, 02:38 PM
On Feb 25th, JTTA has updated its webpage with an entry introducing the WTT structure, indicating they will try to send players to events with appropriate precautions.

http://www.jtta.or.jp/news/aobut/tabid/103/Default.aspx?itemid=1091&dispmid=580
So the Japanese team is still in Japan?

zeio
02-25-2021, 02:48 PM
Ito's interviews before departing for Doha.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20210225/k10012884351000.html
https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/table-tennis/2806227/
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2021/02/25/kiji/20210225s00026000106000c.html
https://hochi.news/articles/20210224-OHT1T50320.html

https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202102240000688.html

今季からは「国際卓球連盟(ITTF)ワールドツアー」という名称から「WTT」に大会名を変え、大会方式も変更された。伊藤自身、大会様式の変更点についてITTFへ質問を投げかけるも「私も分からない部分がすごくあって。これどうなの、あれどうなのって聞くけど結局分かりません」と、不明瞭な部分を残したまま、大会に臨む難しさを語った。
Starting from this season, the name of the tournament has changed from "International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF) World Tour" to "WTT", and the tournament system has also been changed. Ito asked the ITTF about the changes in the tournament format, but "there are a lot of things I don't understand. I ask what this is and what that is, but I don't understand after all," leaving the unclear parts, she talked about the difficulty of attending the tournament.

https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20210224/tab21022422440002-n1.html

Janard
02-25-2021, 05:58 PM
Ito's interviews before departing for Doha.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20210225/k10012884351000.html
https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/table-tennis/2806227/
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2021/02/25/kiji/20210225s00026000106000c.html
https://hochi.news/articles/20210224-OHT1T50320.html

https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202102240000688.html

Starting from this season, the name of the tournament has changed from "International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF) World Tour" to "WTT", and the tournament system has also been changed. Ito asked the ITTF about the changes in the tournament format, but "there are a lot of things I don't understand. I ask what this is and what that is, but I don't understand after all," leaving the unclear parts, she talked about the difficulty of attending the tournament.

https://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20210224/tab21022422440002-n1.html
Shame on China for causing Ito to develop nasal swab PTSD. It is part of their strategy!!!

Heiko Seyer
02-25-2021, 06:12 PM
Due to the cancellation of Team China, Ito the new number 2 because of the Olympics Settings will be bad for the China team, unless there are still tournaments in China in May! If the Quarantine there 2-3 Weeks does not change, nothing will take place in China.

zeio
02-25-2021, 06:12 PM
Shame on China for causing Ito to develop nasal swab PTSD. It is part of their strategy!!!
😂


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FIjbHs_RQ

https://www.youtube.com/embed/FZgcJ37iXp4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Ярослав Ліндер
02-27-2021, 10:25 AM
WTT updated their site, they will be streaming Table 1 there, and Table 2-4 on Youtube 👍

TTHopeful
02-27-2021, 10:42 AM
Due to the cancellation of Team China, Ito the new number 2 because of the Olympics Settings will be bad for the China team, unless there are still tournaments in China in May! If the Quarantine there 2-3 Weeks does not change, nothing will take place in China.
Could Mima go world number 1 after Doha?

zeio
02-27-2021, 11:20 AM
Not for either the ITTF Table Tennis World Ranking or the Olympic Qualification Ranking.

They have redone the rules for 2021 World Ranking. Check out "6. TRANSITION PLAN: ITTF WORLD RANKING TO ITTF TABLE TENNIS WORLD RANKING AND OLYMPIC QUALIFICATION RANKING" of https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2021-ITTF-Table-Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulation-20210120.pdf

MaLongFan1
02-27-2021, 11:20 AM
WTT updated their site, they will be streaming Table 1 there, and Table 2-4 on Youtube 👍
One big improvement that WTT has done is streaming is much better 👍

Vlad Celler
02-27-2021, 01:48 PM
Not.
C.M. 13825
ITO 11081

Docha - max 600+400

Tango K
02-27-2021, 03:41 PM
The media and visual side of thing is certainly much better. The new website now looks cool as well. If it’s not showing up on any sports channels other than youtube and their own website it’s probably a bit of upset for them. (Though most of us spectators may think it’s good for us in the short run). I’d love to see it on Eurosports or something.

edgesandnets
02-27-2021, 05:33 PM
Are these guys really going to make Quadri Aruna the fourth seed and have Dima and Falck play unseeded?

https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?eventId=2410

zeio
02-27-2021, 06:20 PM
It looks like it has to do with the Top 20 PDR. XX would've been Seed #1.

That's an exciting system for gambling. It adds value to the early stages and at the same time incentives(more points for the said players).

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_Contender_Provisional_EntryLists_MenSingles_260221_F-2.pdf

edgesandnets
02-27-2021, 06:44 PM
It looks like it has to do with the Top 20 PDR. XX would've been Seed #1.

That's an exciting system for gambling. It adds value to the early stages and at the same time incentives(more points for the said players).

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MEHUB_Contender_Provisional_EntryLists_MenSingles_260221_F-2.pdf

I thought the point of the PDR (play-down restriction) was to not have too many top 20 players in the event and had nothing to do with seeding. If they are really putting Aruna at fourth seed, it is unfair both to the unseeded top-20 players and those who have to play them in the early rounds.

zeio
02-28-2021, 04:34 AM
After a closer look, Ovtcharov, Pitchford, Gauzy, and Falck actually go straight to the main draw. I don't see a problem with giving Aruna the 4th seed as the others are either wildcards or WTT nomination.

One problem I see though is limiting the prospectus to players and national associations. What gives?

Sali
02-28-2021, 08:05 AM
Where can I watch games. I am getting notification by YouTube but due to some Privacy regulations I cannot watch it.

MaLongFan1
02-28-2021, 08:09 AM
Where can I watch games. I am getting notification by YouTube but due to some Privacy regulations I cannot watch it.
It could be because they have the streaming on TV in your location so then iit would not be available on youtube.

MaLongFan1
02-28-2021, 08:11 AM
I'm able to watch the stream


https://www.youtube.com/embed/fzSSORambuc?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

zeio
02-28-2021, 08:17 AM
WTT: T1-T4 will be streamed.
Reality: No can do.

Cassin got his ass handed to him. 😣

lugi2000
02-28-2021, 08:18 AM
Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 angles, quite hard to see through whole matches.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/server/php/files/38/278/21/02/28/wttsideangle%20-.jpg

zeio
02-28-2021, 09:15 AM
WTT: We make it our mission to drive spectators away. 🤪

Semonva umpiring Cho vs Alamian! Yay!

JeffM
02-28-2021, 10:51 AM
Actually was a bit excited that there is another international TT event, but so disappointed with the camera angle.

Kuba Hajto
02-28-2021, 11:06 AM
Polish team also has withdrawn.

Bilge Dogan
02-28-2021, 12:14 PM
World Table Tennis (https://worldtabletennis.com/results) web site does not provide data on time and reports api error etc. ITTF web site was giving much better timely info for live scores and game schedule.

NoFootwork
02-28-2021, 01:44 PM
Finally went to WTT website. Terrible design. Are these guys getting paid to ensure no one can follow TT?

Music&Ping
02-28-2021, 07:13 PM
France team is there... given the situation with the french national rugby XV team, I wonder if the Roissy Charles de Gaulle Airport has enough beds for their comeback.

Oh boy, the so arrogant french people we are are really not good examples to follow these days hahaha

Atas Newton
03-01-2021, 05:37 AM
Not really digging the colors tbh, what probably looked like cool black on paper is instead a depressing colorless light grey on camera
https://i.imgur.com/DBLWQrz.png

driversbeat
03-01-2021, 06:30 AM
I'll be the contrarian and say that I quite like the WTT setup. Especially for doubles you get to clearly see how the players move in and out, and a better sense of how far they are from the table compared to the conventional view.

Also Zhang Mo is always lowkey raging.

Dan
03-01-2021, 07:04 AM
A donkey of the year contender 🏓

<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?height=476&href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FWTT%2Fvideos%2F815285562394522%2F&show_text=false&width=380" width="380" height="476" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true" allow="autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowFullScreen="true"></iframe>

edgesandnets
03-01-2021, 03:56 PM
Has anyone been able to figure out ITTF's schedule on their website, or are you all just like me and blindly turning on the stream and seeing what is on?

Music&Ping
03-01-2021, 03:59 PM
I'm just watching the highlights on Youtube, glad to see the young Prithika Pavade doing well in the QL.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/uWLcTxCeCag?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

zeio
03-01-2021, 04:13 PM
Has anyone been able to figure out ITTF's schedule on their website, or are you all just like me and blindly turning on the stream and seeing what is on?
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5277/results.html#/results

aerial
03-01-2021, 04:24 PM
I like this camera angle, but it's too bad the quality can't be like WTT Macau (or maybe it will be... only for semis and finals?)

edgesandnets
03-01-2021, 05:41 PM
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5277/results.html#/results
Thank you so much. The ittf site is infinitely better than the WTT website

karupinkun
03-01-2021, 07:53 PM
i hate it to be honest. I never had a problem with the old angle, but if they have to change it just go for 45´ from behind.

Atas Newton
03-01-2021, 08:04 PM
45´ ftw! The arc, the speed, the depth, the lateral movement - it's all there. Best of all worlds.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/dCeT-ZU46TY?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

7malligk
03-01-2021, 11:23 PM
I'm gonna throw my two cents in. I'm actually a fan of the new website (it's not quite right yet, but with a bit of work, I think it will be really good. The old one was outdated.

However, I agree the table angle is horrible. I like being able to see the players move in and out, and see the racquet angle, but I can no longer see the ball placement, which frankly I prefer.

Is there any way to ensure that ITTF/WTT listen to us and we are heard?

Vlad Celler
03-02-2021, 02:17 PM
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5277/results.html#/knock-outs

edgesandnets
03-02-2021, 02:48 PM
https://results.ittf.com/ittf-web-results/html/TTE5277/results.html#/knock-outs
The draws are pretty ridiculous. Lily Zhang will play Kasumi Ishikawa in the round of 32 even though both are top 16 seeds, and other round of 32 matches will play have two unseeded players playing each other. 12th seed Britt Eerland will play top seed Mima Ito in the first round, and Eerland posted on Instagram venting about the new rules (that apparently have no explanation). It's a similar situation in the men's draw.

I wrote a quick summary here: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/02/wtt-dohas-main-draw-sparks-outrage/

igorponger
03-02-2021, 02:52 PM
TOO MUCH OF BLACK
Black ash spread all over. Nuclear devastation all around. It all looks like a fancy chimera born out by a sick mind..

JesperStef
03-02-2021, 04:22 PM
The draws are pretty ridiculous. Lily Zhang will play Kasumi Ishikawa in the round of 32 even though both are top 16 seeds, and other round of 32 matches will play have two unseeded players playing each other. 12th seed Britt Eerland will play top seed Mima Ito in the first round, and Eerland posted on Instagram venting about the new rules (that apparently have no explanation). It's a similar situation in the men's draw.I wrote a quick summary here: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/02/wtt-dohas-main-draw-sparks-outrage/ It just looks like only 8 players are actually "seeded" now? 🤔

zeio
03-02-2021, 05:21 PM
Ishikawa, Hirano, and Diaz are wildcards, and FTW is WTT nomination. Due to the Play Down Restriction, they aren't treated as seeded players and instead are placed at the end - 19, 20, 21 and 22. And as JesperStef mentioned, it looks like seeded players have been reduced to 8.

They've made plenty of exceptions for this Middle East Hub. We don't even have the prospectus to read. I'll wait it out and see how they do it for the China Hub.

apacible
03-02-2021, 05:38 PM
The draws are pretty ridiculous. Lily Zhang will play Kasumi Ishikawa in the round of 32 even though both are top 16 seeds, and other round of 32 matches will play have two unseeded players playing each other. 12th seed Britt Eerland will play top seed Mima Ito in the first round, and Eerland posted on Instagram venting about the new rules (that apparently have no explanation). It's a similar situation in the men's draw.I wrote a quick summary here: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/02/wtt-dohas-main-draw-sparks-outrage/
For the WTT Contenders Series, there are only 8 seeded players. The rest are unseeded. Therefore, only the top 8 seeds have fixed places in the draw. For example, Britt Eerland isn't actually the 11th seed but is actually unseeded. She may be the player with the 11th highest WR in the tournament, but because there are only 8 seeds, she's really unseeded. Once the seeded players are drawn, the rest of the players in the main draw can be drawn in any of the vacant slots not taken by the top 8 seeds.

This is definitely a change from the previous way table tennis tournaments are conducted. However, the draw done in WTT events is actually following the way how draws in tennis events are conducted. The ATP 250 is probably the tennis equivalent of the WTT Contender event. It also has 32 players in the Main draw and only 8 seeded players. Here's a sample ATP 250 Draw for your reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Qatar_ExxonMobil_Open_%E2%80%93_Singles). Therefore, aside from the 8 seeded players who are guaranteed not to face each other until the QF, SF, and F, the rest of the field is drawn to fill the vacant slots after the 8 seeded players are placed. In tennis, there seem to be fewer seeded players in events than that of table tennis. For example, in a tennis grand slam with a Main Draw of 128 players, there are only 32 seeded players, while our WTTC, which also has a Main Draw of 128 players, has 64 seeded players. The new system of conducting draws has its pros and cons. The draw is more variable. In the previous way of conducting draws in the World Tour, which had 16 seeded players, (assuming the main draw is has 32 players), a top seed can only face the 17th highest-ranked player until the 32nd highest-ranked player in the first round (R32). In the second round, he would likely face a player seeded from 9-16.

Now, let's look at the current system with only 8 seeded players. If the top player is unlucky, he would get a draw where he would have to face 2 consecutive players from the 9 to 16 range for the R32 and R16. Obviously, this is a tougher draw than that allowed by the previous draw system. In the current draw for the WTT Contenders, an example of this is Ishikawa's draw. She'll need to face 2 players from the 9 to 16 range for the first two rounds: R32 (13th Zhang, Lily) & R16 (either 12th Hayata or 15th Samara). The worst possible draw a seeded player could get for the first 2 rounds would look like the photo below:https://i.imgur.com/eYqHiov.png

However, the new draw system can also be beneficial to the seeded player since it's possible for him to get a player from the 17-32 range both for the R32 and R16. This would make his current draw easier than a draw possible from the previous way of conducting draws. In the current draw for WTT Contenders, an example of this Feng Tianwei's draw. She would need to face Sawettabut (19th) in the R32 and either Takahashi (23rd) or Gaponova (Qualifier) in the R16. The best possible draw a seeded player could get for the first 2 rounds would look like this photo:https://i.imgur.com/JRoDuaB.pngI guess ultimately, the new system might hurt the 9th to 16th ranked players the most because they aren't seeded anymore and could possibly face one of the top 8 seeds as early as the first round. But, this is only assuming that the top 8 seeds are actually the best players of the tournament.

If this is a tournament where Team China only sent their B-Team members (who can definitely beat the best non-Chinese players but are ranked outside the top 100), the 9th-16th seeds might actually prefer facing a top 8 seed in the first round rather than facing a qualifier who is likely to one of the many CNT B players who passed through qualifications. An example of this could possibly be the 2019 North American Open or the 2018 Czech Open. These are tournaments where some qualifiers are more dangerous than the seeded players. In fact, in this WTT Contenders tournament, there are definitely some qualifiers who appear more dangerous than some of the players from 9-16.
In fact, based on my observation, I think the skill gap between the 9-16 players isn't that far off from those players in the 17-32 range. As an illustration, without meaning to offend anyone, Shan Xiaona and Miyuu Kihara from the 17-32 range are arguably better than Szocs and Meshref from the 9-16 range. Are latter players that much better than the former players that they should enjoy the privilege of only meeting the top 8 seeds in the R16 as compared to the latter who will always face a seeded player under the old system? This would make it more difficult for those outside the top 16 to move up in rankings even though the actual skill gap between 9-16 and 17-32 is only minor.

One could argue that some players in the 17-32 range are better than the 9-16 range players but simply have less favorable opportunities (e.g. many are born in Asia so it is harder to get a high WR compared to those in other continents, which in turn makes their draws in open tournaments less favorable than those from the 9-16 range despite being better players) Given the minor gap in level between those from 9-16 and those from 17-32, it may make more sense to give those from 9-32 equal chances of drawing any of the top 8 seeds. WTT made it clear that it wants to see more movement across the WR, so I think this new draw system with fewer seeded players also allows this to happen. A possible benefit for spectators that may be derived from having less seeded players is that there are more chances of finally seeing matchups between those within the 9 to 16 range and matchups between those within the 17th to 32nd range. If you are not a top 8 player, it's rare to see matchups between those within 1 or 2 ranking places from each other. For example, it's been a long while since we've seen Jeoung Youngsik (W13) vs Dima (WR12) or Mizutani (WR18) vs Gauzy (WR20). Why? Usually, either or both lose before they are set up to meet each other in the draw.

Because of the way the draw is conducted in the past, these players will always draw a high-ranked player (usually a Chinese player) in the first or 2nd round. If you ever want to see Dima vs Jeoung or Mizutani vs Gauzy, you'd have to hope that both players can beat the Chinese player assigned to them in the early rounds. Most of the time you would only see these matchups in team competitions where each country's ace players are pit against each other, but you rarely see it in the World Tour. If you're lucky, you can see these matchups in the World Cup or Olympics, which has nationality restrictions, so Chinese players are less likely to knock these players out before they get to play each other.

With a new draw system having fewer seeded players, we will have more opportunities to see a variety of matchups, which I think is the reason WTT chose to move forward with fewer seeded players in its events. They still balance it out by maintaining 8 seeded players, so the top players won't face each other until the SF and Finals (No FZD vs ML first-round matchups), but a least it provides more variety of matchups as compared to having a strict 1-16 vs 17-32 draw system. Only the WTT Contenders event has 8 seeded players. The Star Contenders event has 16 seeded players since there are 48 players in the main draw. I assume that the more players in the Main Draw, the more seeded players there will be. I don't have a strong opinion for or against the new system yet and will see how it ultimately plays out.

However, I do feel for the players who were not informed of the change in the number of seeded players beforehand. WTT should do a better job of keeping their players informed of any rule changes that can affect them. WTT can also do a better job of informing fans of the new changes. I echo Zeio's sentiment that WTT ought to post the prospectus and playing format of tournaments ahead of time for the benefit of players and fans. P.S. I appreciate the work you've done doing write-ups on your website. I've been reading your articles and enjoy your analysis especially since you include the implications of certain tournaments and matches on Olympic Seeding. The majority of my past posts in this forum also dwelt on the analysis of Olympic Qualifications, Seeding and WR, so I'm happy to see a fellow forum-member also taking the same interest and posting for the benefit of other people who avidly follow the pro table tennis scene.

Vlad Celler
03-02-2021, 06:02 PM
apacible (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?68630-apacible)Many Thank

edgesandnets
03-02-2021, 06:42 PM
For the WTT Contenders Series, there are only 8 seeded players. The rest are unseeded. Therefore, only the top 8 seeds have fixed places in the draw. For example, Britt Eerland isn't actually the 11th seed but is actually unseeded. She may be the player with the 11th highest WR in the tournament, but because there are only 8 seeds, she's really unseeded. Once the seeded players are drawn, the rest of the players in the main draw can be drawn in any of the vacant slots not taken by the top 8 seeds.

This is definitely a change from the previous way table tennis tournaments are conducted. However, the draw done in WTT events is actually following the way how draws in tennis events are conducted. The ATP 250 is probably the tennis equivalent of the WTT Contender event. It also has 32 players in the Main draw and only 8 seeded players. Here's a sample ATP 250 Draw for your reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Qatar_ExxonMobil_Open_%E2%80%93_Singles). Therefore, aside from the 8 seeded players who are guaranteed not to face each other until the QF, SF, and F, the rest of the field is drawn to fill the vacant slots after the 8 seeded players are placed. In tennis, there seem to be fewer seeded players in events than that of table tennis. For example, in a tennis grand slam with a Main Draw of 128 players, there are only 32 seeded players, while our WTTC, which also has a Main Draw of 128 players, has 64 seeded players. The new system of conducting draws has its pros and cons. The draw is more variable. In the previous way of conducting draws in the World Tour, which had 16 seeded players, (assuming the main draw is has 32 players), a top seed can only face the 17th highest-ranked player until the 32nd highest-ranked player in the first round (R32). In the second round, he would likely face a player seeded from 9-16.

Now, let's look at the current system with only 8 seeded players. If the top player is unlucky, he would get a draw where he would have to face 2 consecutive players from the 9 to 16 range for the R32 and R16. Obviously, this is a tougher draw than that allowed by the previous draw system. In the current draw for the WTT Contenders, an example of this is Ishikawa's draw. She'll need to face 2 players from the 9 to 16 range for the first two rounds: R32 (13th Zhang, Lily) & R16 (either 12th Hayata or 15th Samara). The worst possible draw a seeded player could get for the first 2 rounds would look like the photo below:https://i.imgur.com/eYqHiov.png

However, the new draw system can also be beneficial to the seeded player since it's possible for him to get a player from the 17-32 range both for the R32 and R16. This would make his current draw easier than a draw possible from the previous way of conducting draws. In the current draw for WTT Contenders, an example of this Feng Tianwei's draw. She would need to face Sawettabut (19th) in the R32 and either Takahashi (23rd) or Gaponova (Qualifier) in the R16. The best possible draw a seeded player could get for the first 2 rounds would look like this photo:https://i.imgur.com/JRoDuaB.pngI guess ultimately, the new system might hurt the 9th to 16th ranked players the most because they aren't seeded anymore and could possibly face one of the top 8 seeds as early as the first round. But, this is only assuming that the top 8 seeds are actually the best players of the tournament.

If this is a tournament where Team China only sent their B-Team members (who can definitely beat the best non-Chinese players but are ranked outside the top 100), the 9th-16th seeds might actually prefer facing a top 8 seed in the first round rather than facing a qualifier who is likely to one of the many CNT B players who passed through qualifications. An example of this could possibly be the 2019 North American Open or the 2018 Czech Open. These are tournaments where some qualifiers are more dangerous than the seeded players. In fact, in this WTT Contenders tournament, there are definitely some qualifiers who appear more dangerous than some of the players from 9-16.In fact, based on my observation, I think the skill gap between the 9-16 players isn't that far off from those players in the 17-32 range. As an illustration, without meaning to offend anyone, Shan Xiaona and Miyuu Kihara from the 17-32 range are arguably better than Szocs and Meshref from the 9-16 range. Are latter players that much better than the former players that they should enjoy the privilege of only meeting the top 8 seeds in the R16 as compared to the latter who will always face a seeded player under the old system? This would make it more difficult for those outside the top 16 to move up in rankings even though the actual skill gap between 9-16 and 17-32 is only minor.

One could argue that some players in the 17-32 range are better than the 9-16 range players but simply have less favorable opportunities (e.g. many are born in Asia so it is harder to get a high WR compared to those in other continents, which in turn makes their draws in open tournaments less favorable than those from the 9-16 range despite being better players) Given the minor gap in level between those from 9-16 and those from 17-32, it may make more sense to give those from 9-32 equal chances of drawing any of the top 8 seeds. WTT made it clear that it wants to see more movement across the WR, so I think this new draw system with fewer seeded players also allows this to happen. A possible benefit for spectators that may be derived from having less seeded players is that there are more chances of finally seeing matchups between those within the 9 to 16 range and matchups between those within the 17th to 32nd range. If you are not a top 8 player, it's rare to see matchups between those within 1 or 2 ranking places from each other. For example, it's been a long while since we've seen Jeoung Youngsik (W13) vs Dima (WR12) or Mizutani (WR18) vs Gauzy (WR20). Why? Usually, either or both lose before they are set up to meet each other in the draw.

Because of the way the draw is conducted in the past, these players will always draw a high-ranked player (usually a Chinese player) in the first or 2nd round. If you ever want to see Dima vs Jeoung or Mizutani vs Gauzy, you'd have to hope that both players can beat the Chinese player assigned to them in the early rounds. Most of the time you would only see these matchups in team competitions where each country's ace players are pit against each other, but you rarely see it in the World Tour. If you're lucky, you can see these matchups in the World Cup or Olympics, which has nationality restrictions, so Chinese players are less likely to knock these players out before they get to play each other.

With a new draw system having fewer seeded players, we will have more opportunities to see a variety of matchups, which I think is the reason WTT chose to move forward with fewer seeded players in its events. They still balance it out by maintaining 8 seeded players, so the top players won't face each other until the SF and Finals (No FZD vs ML first-round matchups), but a least it provides more variety of matchups as compared to having a strict 1-16 vs 17-32 draw system. Only the WTT Contenders event has 8 seeded players. The Star Contenders event has 16 seeded players since there are 48 players in the main draw. I assume that the more players in the Main Draw, the more seeded players there will be. I don't have a strong opinion for or against the new system yet and will see how it ultimately plays out.

However, I do feel for the players who were not informed of the change in the number of seeded players beforehand. WTT should do a better job of keeping their players informed of any rule changes that can affect them. WTT can also do a better job of informing fans of the new changes. I echo Zeio's sentiment that WTT ought to post the prospectus and playing format of tournaments ahead of time for the benefit of players and fans. P.S. I appreciate the work you've done doing write-ups on your website. I've been reading your articles and enjoy your analysis especially since you include the implications of certain tournaments and matches on Olympic Seeding. The majority of my past posts in this forum also dwelt on the analysis of Olympic Qualifications, Seeding and WR, so I'm happy to see a fellow forum-member also taking the same interest and posting for the benefit of other people who avidly follow the pro table tennis scene.

Thanks for the response. ITTF also posted an official explanation. It seems that seeds 1-8 are set to follow a snake format then ( 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5)? Is there any incentive in ATP for players outside of the top 20 to improve their ranking then?

It appears that Ishikawa and Hirano are still treated as normal seeded players even though the invitation system is weird.

JesperStef
03-02-2021, 06:49 PM
Ishikawa, Hirano, and Diaz are wildcards, and FTW is WTT nomination. Due to the Play Down Restriction, they aren't treated as seeded players and instead are placed at the end - 19, 20, 21 and 22. And as JesperStef mentioned, it looks like seeded players have been reduced to 8.

They've made plenty of exceptions for this Middle East Hub. We don't even have the prospectus to read. I'll wait it out and see how they do it for the China Hub.
Actually it looks very much like the wild card and WTT players have been seeded according to their ranking: Ishikawa as #3, Hirano as #4, FTW as #5 and Diaz as #7.

lugi2000
03-02-2021, 07:17 PM
Some players put complains in today

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/server/php/files/38/822/21/03/02/mytischtenniswtt.jpg

driversbeat
03-02-2021, 07:45 PM
I like the new seeding system. Draws were getting stale and predictable. Thank you to those who provided insightful analysis!

lugi2000
03-02-2021, 10:29 PM
If all goes to plan Pitchford and Hatimoto play 🙌

zeio
03-03-2021, 02:21 AM
Actually it looks very much like the wild card and WTT players have been seeded according to their ranking: Ishikawa as #3, Hirano as #4, FTW as #5 and Diaz as #7.
In that case, then LYJ and Falck should've been in either the 16 or 17 slot as they're the #3 and #4 seeds. 🤔 They're still in their respective blocks but not in the traditional order. 1 9 24 32 instead of 1 16 17 32.

It beats the whole purpose of PDR when the wild cards and WTT nomination are treated as seeded players. 😑 I feel for Eerland.

https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__[0]=AZVHPtqncHnBdMP3FtdEa-cGUTPMdQyGJm3vNkNmRabWQc9nP3Rz7VYOCTfYIn98nyLLkM4KPWgL9rEjHh2H24NGyPXl3ab-3utDle21lIYON-C1RNQ8S_ZFVXQKxUGNZ1oNOf_8xcvZ3EzBSUEFnaobGWnAC9SrnftguJqlcuxxxQ&__tn__=%2CO-R (https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__)

edgesandnets
03-03-2021, 02:42 AM
In that case, then LYJ and Falck should've been in either the 16 or 17 slot as they're the #3 and #4 seeds. 🤔 They're still in their respective blocks but not in the traditional order. 1 9 24 32 instead of 1 16 17 32.

It beats the whole purpose of PDR when the wild cards and WTT nomination are treated as seeded players. 😑 I feel for Eerland.

https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__[0]=AZVHPtqncHnBdMP3FtdEa-cGUTPMdQyGJm3vNkNmRabWQc9nP3Rz7VYOCTfYIn98nyLLkM4KPWgL9rEjHh2H24NGyPXl3ab-3utDle21lIYON-C1RNQ8S_ZFVXQKxUGNZ1oNOf_8xcvZ3EzBSUEFnaobGWnAC9SrnftguJqlcuxxxQ&__tn__=%2CO-R (https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__)
The WTT website has been somewhat unreliable and inaccurate so far, but it has been updated to have Lin at 3 and Falck at 4.https://worldtabletennis.com/eventInfo?eventId=2410

zeio
03-03-2021, 04:26 AM
The website was right. The problem is they changed the rules again, as Eerland complained. The WC and WTT NOM were not treated as seeded players before.

zeio
03-03-2021, 07:02 AM
Prospectus for WTT Contender Doha. Absolutely nothing on how the draw is to be done.

http://www.jtta.or.jp/Portals/0/images/tournament/Nationals/2021_pdf/20210128_wtt_youkou.pdf

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 07:32 AM
Have a link to a live stream?

edgesandnets
03-03-2021, 08:00 AM
Have a link to a live stream?
YouTube is not working for me and others. Table 1 is available at https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo but you need to register an account. Czocs just upset Cheng I-Ching there.

zeio
03-03-2021, 08:07 AM
Geoblocked.

T1
https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo
T2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lk-c6xw6dM
T3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_wzG5q54Q
T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekYM-2kuipQ

Janard
03-03-2021, 08:08 AM
Operation 'Assassinate Ito' (a.k.a. Team Koala) is a failure, unless Lily Zhang and/or Adriana Diaz are the ones who have improved the most.

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 09:14 AM
ITO -Britt 1:1 4-4

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 09:15 AM
https://www.alkass.net/alkass/live.aspx?ch=one

lugi2000
03-03-2021, 09:16 AM
ITO -Britt 1:1 4-4
Where can I see live score, thanks

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 09:26 AM
2:1 (11-9) ITO - Britt 7-6

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 09:41 AM
Ito 10-8

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 09:55 AM
2-2 4-3

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 10:02 AM
3-2 (11-4) ITO win

Janard
03-03-2021, 10:16 AM
Team Chinese Taipei (apart from Lin Yun-ju) has crashed out.

kogeh
03-03-2021, 11:27 AM
Not gonna lie this camera angle makes me want to stop watching tt.

MaLin2.0
03-03-2021, 11:28 AM
Team Chinese Taipei (apart from Lin Yun-ju) has crashed out.

I don't understand Team Chinese Taipei. Starting to think their depth isn't that great on either Men's and Ladies team. Lin Yun-Ju only real gem in the entire squad.

CIC good potential, only prayer in singles. CZY/CHT good in doubles but not great. Maybe they all just had a bad day today.

driversbeat
03-03-2021, 12:13 PM
best comment of today's stream

driversbeat
03-03-2021, 12:13 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/server/php/files/38/592/21/03/03/thumbnail/Screenshot%202021-03-03%20at%208-11-20%20PM.png (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/server/php/files/38/592/21/03/03/Screenshot%202021-03-03%20at%208-11-20%20PM.png)

apacible
03-03-2021, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the response. ITTF also posted an official explanation. It seems that seeds 1-8 are set to follow a snake format then ( 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5)? Is there any incentive in ATP for players outside of the top 20 to improve their ranking then?

It appears that Ishikawa and Hirano are still treated as normal seeded players even though the invitation system is weird.
Yup, there are still incentives for players outside the top 20 to improve their WR. First, the higher your WR, the more chances you will automatically qualify for the main draw. The system in WTT Contender that has only 8 seeded players may mean that a qualifier and the 9th best player in the tournament have the same chances of drawing a top 8 seed in the first round. However, at least the 9th best player doesn't have to play the brutal qualifications because of his WR. The qualifier on the other hand not only has to play qualifications but still has a chance of drawing a top 8 seed in the first round of the main draw. Second, those with higher WR will be able to play higher tier events that award more ranking points like the Champions Series and Grand Smashes, which lower WR players won't have the opportunity to play. Brit Eerland had the toughest first round draw this tournament, but I'm sure she'll get better draws over the course of many events. She'll also get to play Grand Smashes and Champions Series events and won't have to worry about National Entry Restrictions since she's the top player in the Netherlands, so I'm sure her WR will be fine, especially if she's plays as well as she played Ito a while ago.

No, seeds 1-8 don't follow a snake seed format (1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5). Just like before, those seeded from 5-8 can be placed in any of the 4 quarters held by the top 4 seeds. In the Men's singles, Harimoto (seed 1) and Pitchford (seed 6) are in the same quarter while Lin Yun-Ju (seed 3) is in the same quarter as Aruna (Seed 8). If it were a snake seed format, Harimoto (seed 1) and Aruna (seed 8) would be in the same quarter and the same goes for Pitchford (seed 6) and Lin (seed 3).

driversbeat
03-03-2021, 01:11 PM
So we can't watch full versions of table 1 matches once we've missed them? Or am I missing something here. The angle is amazing though, but the highlights for Ito vs Britt were hella boring.

NextLevel
03-03-2021, 01:19 PM
How do you see a table 1 match? Can't get to it.

apacible
03-03-2021, 01:19 PM
In that case, then LYJ and Falck should've been in either the 16 or 17 slot as they're the #3 and #4 seeds. 🤔 They're still in their respective blocks but not in the traditional order. 1 9 24 32 instead of 1 16 17 32.

It beats the whole purpose of PDR when the wild cards and WTT nomination are treated as seeded players. 😑 I feel for Eerland.

https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__[0]=AZVHPtqncHnBdMP3FtdEa-cGUTPMdQyGJm3vNkNmRabWQc9nP3Rz7VYOCTfYIn98nyLLkM4KPWgL9rEjHh2H24NGyPXl3ab-3utDle21lIYON-C1RNQ8S_ZFVXQKxUGNZ1oNOf_8xcvZ3EzBSUEFnaobGWnAC9SrnftguJqlcuxxxQ&__tn__=%2CO-R (https://www.facebook.com/WTT/videos/484001106314563/?__cft__)
Yup, Hirano, Ishikawa, and Diaz are still seeded despite being wild cards. I've been studying and following Tennis the past few months to have a better understanding of how WTT will play out. WTT is basically ripping off the ATP and WTA tournament formats and systems lol. In Tennis, wild cards are still seeded based on their WR and just because you are a wild card doesn't mean you can't be seeded. Novak Djokovic was the top seed in the 2017 Mexico Open (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Abierto_Mexicano_Telcel_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles) despite being a wild card in the same tournament, and Andy Murray was the top seed in 2017 Barcelona Open (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_Open_Banco_Sabadell_%E2%80%93_Singles) despite being a wild card.

Even the way WTT draws seeded players follows tennis. Compare the WTTC draw (128 players) and the Tennis Australian Open Draw (also 128 players ) Traditionally, in Table Tennis for the WTTC, seed 1 is in position 1 and seed 2 is in position 128 and there's no difference with tennis in this regard. However, traditionally, in Table Tennis, Seeds 3 and 4 would be drawn either in position 64 or position 65. On the other hand, in Tennis, seeds 3 and 4 are drawn either in position 33 or position 96 Seeds. For the top 5-8 seeds in table tennis, they would be randomly drawn in positions 32, 33, 96 and 97. In Tennis, the positions that the 5-8 seeds can be draw into are a bit different: 32, 64, 65, 97. To illustrate, you can compare and contrast the difference in positioning between the 2019 WTTC draw (https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5000/2019-world-championships/) with the 2021 Tennis Australian Open Draw (https://ausopen.com/draws)

In the end, it doesn't really change the draw since regardless of the slight difference in positioning, the top 4 seeds all get their own quarters and seeds 5-8 can be drawn randomly in any of the 4 quarters. However, I can understand the confusion on who the seeded players are for the WTT contenders tournament given that we are all used to seeds 3 and 4 being drawn randomly into positions 16 or 17 (for a 32 player main draw) while now, in WTT, seeds 3 and 4 are drawn either to position 9 or 24.

zeio
03-03-2021, 01:31 PM
Pitchford...😭

driversbeat
03-03-2021, 01:32 PM
How do you see a table 1 match? Can't get to it.
Zeio provided the link here: But I'm not sure if its not geoblocked in your area
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24870-World-Table-Tennis-Contender-Doha-2021&p=341034#post341034

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 02:03 PM
How do you see a table 1 match? Can't get to it.
ITO - Britt I see:
https://www.alkass.net/alkass/live.aspx?ch=one

Vlad Celler
03-03-2021, 02:05 PM
Zeio provided the link here: But I'm not sure if its not geoblocked in your area
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?24870-World-Table-Tennis-Contender-Doha-2021&p=341034#post341034
I used VPN (Japan)

edgesandnets
03-03-2021, 04:47 PM
Yup, Hirano, Ishikawa, and Diaz are still seeded despite being wild cards. I've been studying and following Tennis the past few months to have a better understanding of how WTT will play out. WTT is basically ripping off the ATP and WTA tournament formats and systems lol. In Tennis, wild cards are still seeded based on their WR and just because you are a wild card doesn't mean you can't be seeded. Novak Djokovic was the top seed in the 2017 Mexico Open (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Abierto_Mexicano_Telcel_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles) despite being a wild card in the same tournament, and Andy Murray was the top seed in 2017 Barcelona Open (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_Open_Banco_Sabadell_%E2%80%93_Singles) despite being a wild card.

Even the way WTT draws seeded players follows tennis. Compare the WTTC draw (128 players) and the Tennis Australian Open Draw (also 128 players ) Traditionally, in Table Tennis for the WTTC, seed 1 is in position 1 and seed 2 is in position 128 and there's no difference with tennis in this regard. However, traditionally, in Table Tennis, Seeds 3 and 4 would be drawn either in position 64 or position 65. On the other hand, in Tennis, seeds 3 and 4 are drawn either in position 33 or position 96 Seeds. For the top 5-8 seeds in table tennis, they would be randomly drawn in positions 32, 33, 96 and 97. In Tennis, the positions that the 5-8 seeds can be draw into are a bit different: 32, 64, 65, 97. To illustrate, you can compare and contrast the difference in positioning between the 2019 WTTC draw (https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5000/2019-world-championships/) with the 2021 Tennis Australian Open Draw (https://ausopen.com/draws)

In the end, it doesn't really change the draw since regardless of the slight difference in positioning, the top 4 seeds all get their own quarters and seeds 5-8 can be drawn randomly in any of the 4 quarters. However, I can understand the confusion on who the seeded players are for the WTT contenders tournament given that we are all used to seeds 3 and 4 being drawn randomly into positions 16 or 17 (for a 32 player main draw) while now, in WTT, seeds 3 and 4 are drawn either to position 9 or 24.

Oh I didn't notice. For some reason I thought that the women's singles was perfectly snaked. It appears both events are perfectly snaked for the top four though. Is that a coincidence or by design? I am assuming WTT will use the same system as pro tennis.

edgesandnets
03-03-2021, 07:00 PM
Levenko vs Pitchford Full Recap here (Pitchford lost but he was minorly injured): https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/andreas-levenko-upsets-injured-liam-pitchford-3-1/
Day 1 Brief Recap and Day 2 Preview here: https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/wtt-doha-day-1-recap-and-day-2-preview/

MaLongFan1
03-03-2021, 10:05 PM
Best of 5 in these rounds i prefer a lot more. Greater chance of upset and games go quicker with intensity.

Vlad Celler
03-04-2021, 07:53 AM
Ito 3-0 11-7,11-4,11-9

driversbeat
03-04-2021, 09:10 AM
Rayne on Hirano's parade

zeio
03-04-2021, 09:18 AM
I'll be cheering for Ishikawa. Ike, Ike!

driversbeat
03-04-2021, 09:40 AM
Senpai blocked well at 9-9. Flashbacks to Ai Fukuhara commenting on Senpai's defence during the 2021 finals against Ito.

Vlad Celler
03-04-2021, 10:16 AM
Senpai blocked well at 9-9. Flashbacks to Ai Fukuhara commenting on Senpai's defence during the 2021 finals against Ito.
Hina Hayata, congratulations!

lugi2000
03-04-2021, 12:44 PM
Big matches coming up now

langel
03-04-2021, 03:26 PM
https://www.facebook.com/eBaTTelibaraty/videos/897326197696155

zeio
03-05-2021, 07:15 AM
Semenova: Fault! Not behind the line. The ball must be behind the line.
Assar: 😭

edgesandnets
03-05-2021, 07:16 AM
My summary of Cho Daesong's controversial win over Andreas Levenko (both players have questionably legal service): https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/04/officiating-controversy-plagues-cho-daesongs-3-2-win-over-andreas-levenko/

Here is also a summary of Hugo Calderano's Table 1 win over An Jaehyun (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/live-hugo-calderano-vs-an-jaehyun/), (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/live-hugo-calderano-vs-an-jaehyun/)but it was a relatively less interesting match. It was a table 1 match, but someone posted a recording on Youtube, although I'm not sure how long it can stay up because I believe ITTF tends to be more stringent about copyright on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/rCg5c6XRYnY?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0.

silvershamaa
03-05-2021, 07:49 AM
My summary of Cho Daesong's controversial win over Andreas Levenko (both players have questionably legal service): https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/04/officiating-controversy-plagues-cho-daesongs-3-2-win-over-andreas-levenko/

Here is also a summary of Hugo Calderano's Table 1 win over An Jaehyun (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/live-hugo-calderano-vs-an-jaehyun/), (https://edgesandnets.com/2021/03/03/live-hugo-calderano-vs-an-jaehyun/)but it was a relatively less interesting match. It was a table 1 match, but someone posted a recording on Youtube, although I'm not sure how long it can stay up because I believe ITTF tends to be more stringent about copyright on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/rCg5c6XRYnY?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0.
After watching the Cho vs Levenko match, I actually didn't see a single questionable serve by Cho, at least in the first 2 games. His arm was completely out of the way early on in the motion. Meanwhile, some of Levenko's serves might be questionable (although not blatantly illegal). Like the one where he was faulted in the 2nd game @2:48: https://youtu.be/XOhINxrAG9I?t=168. It's not obvious, but one could argue his shoulder area was kinda blocking the contact of the ball. Either way, his intense anger on the umpire is probably unwarranted. Imagine how much worse it would've been if this was the Olympics or WTTC.

zeio
03-05-2021, 07:55 AM
Levenko's serve, even that one, looks fine.

Maharu Yoshimura: 😏

lugi2000
03-05-2021, 08:32 AM
I'd like to see a Dimitrij Harimoto semi.

Tango K
03-05-2021, 01:48 PM
Anybody knows if there are replays of the WTT livestream anywhere? It's ridiculous that the youtube feeds can be replayed whereas the main feed cannot!!!

Kuba Hajto
03-05-2021, 02:02 PM
Polish team said that they will attend doha (maybe not event inthis thread?) after all, how would that be possible? I mixed events, havent I?

Ray
03-05-2021, 02:06 PM
Gauzy overcame Calderano, 3:2.

Janard
03-05-2021, 03:48 PM
Ito and Yu look like they are gonna collapse at any moment.

pingpongpaddy
03-05-2021, 04:07 PM
I think Mima Ito is making progress mentally in this tournament in spite of showing hesitancy in her play from time to time.

I suspect because she carries the 1st seed burden her coaches have been telling to hold back the sometimes wild stuff which in the past has lost her matches. Instead she is buckling down and keeping control of herself much more. She needs make sure that playing careful does not lead to lack of positivity and creativity

zeio
03-05-2021, 04:30 PM
Hayata: Thank you for taking out JJH, comrade Kihara.
Kihara: Serving the teammate! (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?21440-Australian-Open-2019-Platinum&p=281541&viewfull=1#post281541)

zeio
03-05-2021, 05:45 PM
🙈
https://i.imgur.com/Wj5Frvm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8lJcdjc.png

quanghuysk
03-05-2021, 06:10 PM
Does anyone know name of 2 commentators?

lugi2000
03-05-2021, 07:44 PM
Dimitrij was brilliant. Backhand improved.

MaLin2.0
03-05-2021, 11:11 PM
Team Chinese Taipei (apart from Lin Yun-ju) has crashed out.
Team Chinese Taipei playing off for possible 3 out of 5 titles today, close Men's Doubles SF loss yesterday too.

LYJ only one demonstrating in singles at a level to really pressures the top players, rest of the squad not to that level. Doubles on other hand have shown consistent performances. Team Chinese Taipei team can really play to their strengths. Wouldn't be surprised prior to the tournament they devoted more time to doubles trainings hence they poor performances in the singles in early rounds.

MaLongFan1
03-05-2021, 11:29 PM
Is the final best of 9?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-05-2021, 11:39 PM
Does anyone know name of 2 commentators?
one of them is definitely Johnny Cowan
don't know about the other one.

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disappointed about Harimoto's defeat to Dima. Haven't seen the match yet. Anyone watched it live ?

edgesandnets
03-06-2021, 03:37 AM
one of them is definitely Johnny Cowan
don't know about the other one.

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disappointed about Harimoto's defeat to Dima. Haven't seen the match yet. Anyone watched it live ?
seems to be this guy: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-E6V8nIHK/

igorponger
03-06-2021, 05:24 AM
черные кулисы и занавес и занавески. Убогая профанация вместо спортивного турнира ...
black backstage ... black curtains ... some backyard puppetry and no sporty entourage at all.

Vlad Celler
03-06-2021, 05:25 AM
Добавлю-черные столы и черный пол...Хорошо хоть шары не черные...

zeio
03-06-2021, 07:26 AM
disappointed about Harimoto's defeat to Dima. Haven't seen the match yet. Anyone watched it live ?
Watched it live. Harimoto tried playing Korean-style FH which worked well for the first 2 games but Dima got around it after G3. Had Harimoto got G3, there's a good chance he would've won.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-06-2021, 07:43 AM
i watched Harimoto v Cho

i thought Harimoto's FH has improved further and was really consistent away from the table. However he made unusual mistakes with his BH block throughout the match and also with chiquita receive except at the very end of the match which make him win.

quanghuysk
03-06-2021, 10:55 AM
i watched Harimoto v Cho

i thought Harimoto's FH has improved further and was really consistent away from the table. However he made unusual mistakes with his BH block throughout the match and also with chiquita receive except at the very end of the match which make him win.
He played well first 2 games against Dima and then got hesitate since Game 3 and well...
I really did hope to see Tomo and Lin in the final

driversbeat
03-06-2021, 11:05 AM
No live stream for the women's final? What gives?

karupinkun
03-06-2021, 11:30 AM
WTT is bount to fail with the streaming regulations...

NextLevel
03-06-2021, 11:36 AM
No live stream for the women's final? What gives?
There is - started late.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-06-2021, 11:43 AM
can't see it, stream interrupted during game 2...

what a bunch of amateurs

driversbeat
03-06-2021, 11:54 AM
The stream came on 3 points into the match. During 7-6 in the fifth game there was a sound-byte straight out from the SAW movie for a split second. 🤣

lugi2000
03-06-2021, 12:46 PM
Dimitrij doing the most basic backhand serve ever in the final

karupinkun
03-06-2021, 02:22 PM
Dimitrij doing the most basic backhand serve ever in the final

if you dont give your opponent spin to work with he doesnt have to much options either

Tango K
03-06-2021, 03:49 PM
We will probably see Lin changing to TACKY Dignics 09C after this final 😎😎😎😎😎😎 Everybody is going to give him floats.

MaLongFan1
03-06-2021, 04:38 PM
Winnerhttps://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157353545_4508732182490083_7467722908142118957_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sUTJIcIOE14AX_LdLB7&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=c07674bb4be0d88cb71fd8cdc987b2d0&oe=60696726 (https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157353545_4508732182490083_7467722908142118957_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sUTJIcIOE14AX_LdLB7&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=c07674bb4be0d88cb71fd8cdc987b2d0&oe=60696726)

edgesandnets
03-06-2021, 04:43 PM
if you dont give your opponent spin to work with he doesnt have to much options either Dima has been doing this for a while now. Off the top of my head Kong Linghui used it a lot in his 2001 WTTC run as well:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/jnrACrYDEqg?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

TTOmar
03-06-2021, 07:07 PM
Lol watching Levenko - Drinkhall while 2-2 and 10-10 then suddenly Youtube Live Stream has ended on both tables

JeffM
03-09-2021, 10:31 AM
Silly question, but why are there no youtube videos by WTT for the semi finals and finals?

zeio
03-09-2021, 10:38 AM
They're all played on table 1 and table 1 is subscription-only.

JeffM
03-09-2021, 10:41 AM
Thanks Zeio.

That is certainly going to promote table tennis as a sport...

Brs
03-10-2021, 02:30 AM
Pretty sure I watched Hayata - Ito final on YT. It was only highlights iirc. Is no full match video what you mean?

edgesandnets
03-10-2021, 02:47 AM
Pretty sure I watched Hayata - Ito final on YT. It was only highlights iirc. Is no full match video what you mean?

Rational Table Tennis Analysis had an illegal recording put up for a short moment, but it was later taken down.

Also ITTF released a new video talking about the new WTT era and spent half the video talking about the new colors lol


https://www.youtube.com/embed/nSD2opj5PR0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

HelenJIvie
10-26-2021, 09:57 AM
Thanks for the info.