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Airoc
05-31-2021, 10:45 AM
2021 seems to provide a few very interesting new rubbers other than all the hybrids after all.
TIBHAR Evolution MX-D should by all means appear as a fixed star on many forehands when the halls re-open and the leagues are in full swing again.
And andro presents Rasanter R45, a rubber to provide new options for many players on backhand particularly, but not necessarily only there.

I am no professional player, but most my training partners are, means they consider me good enough for sparring and the quality of their game lets me shine a little, too. What you read in the following combines impressions from different skill levels up to Bundesliga in Germany.
At the end of 2 days of intensive testing, I arrived at a surprising conclusion: this new rubber is able to fit the needs of three different types of players.

Players who use soft rubbers (around 42,5 degree sponge hardness), but want more power
Players who use medium rubbers (aorund 45 degrees), but always miss „something“ while it´s hard to pin down what that „something“ is
Players who use medium/hard rubbers (around the 47,5 degree mark) who are looking for more control without sacrifing too much power

R45 vs. soft rubbers

I am no expert for soft rubbers, most of them just feel to mushy overall. I know only one 42,5 degree rubber that I really like, and I prefer a Tibhar Evolution FX-P to all the others I know, just because it feels more compact.
R45 is of course harder, but I am sure most players could handle that as the next step. It offers more power and more spin than its close relative R42, which has an identical top sheet.

R45 vs. other "around 45 degree" rubbers

With andro´s new ENERGY CELL sponge, the rubbers feel softer than you´d expect especially on topspin, not softer overall. An R53 does not play like a 50 degree rubber, an R48 does not play like a 45 degree rubber (if somebody could pin down what „a“ 45 degree rubber is, given that there are so many).

I can best compare R45 to two TIBHAR rubbers (Aurus Select and EL-S) and Hexer Grip.
I like Aurus Prime, but Aurus Select always felt just „nice“, for lack of better word. It does everything, nothing too well, nothing really bad. R45 has way more punch and spin than that, and I´d say it also outclasses EL-S in terms of spin. It is more linear than the latter, which i soften described as giving too much catapult after the first topspin in open rallyes. R45 is stable. As for spin, I think it also out-performs t05fx.

You would expect R45 to be superior to Hexer Grip in terms of spin and speed, and it is. But where would you benefit most? Actually, where you probably don´t dare to go too often with a medium rubber, away from the table.
With Hexer Grip, you´d loop from way down with an open rubber, to put balls on the table, yet not very dangerous balls. With R45 you can still put pressure on your opponent with power spins. There are boundaries of course, but the range most of us mere mortals have is well covered.

R45 vs. harder rubbers

I felt the biggest surprise when comparing R45 to its bigger siblings R47 and R48, as well as a Rhyzer 2.0 (R45 ultramax).
The overall balance of its properties makes R45 a real alternative for this segment, too – if you are looking to gain some control while not loosing too much performance.

Maybe if you play with a 47,5 degree rubber with stiff topsheet you´ll play a few strokes and say „too soft“. One of my training partners said that non-surprisingly, coming from R53. But another, who normally uses Friendship Battle 2, would prefer R45 to R48, and she tested on blades that are not too far apart.

If you play with a rubber that has a soft topsheet you may find that R45 is a great alternative.

I am as surprised as convinced and do not regret testing this rubber. It´s a keeper.

shinshiro
05-31-2021, 01:35 PM
Many thanks for the review Airoc, I was struggling to find an english review for this rubber.
I don't like very much hard rubbers, so I was looking for R45 to be a good candidate for when I play again. Thank you

Bz26
05-31-2021, 04:17 PM
Thank you for the review. Do you how much it weighs?

P1ngP0ng3r
05-31-2021, 07:49 PM
Read your review on TT-news as well. 😎
Thanks for the nice review and R45 seems worth a try for sure 👍

Airoc
05-31-2021, 09:09 PM
Do you how much it weighs?
No, I don´t weigh rubbers.
Mostly I play with used ones handed down from friends who think it´s time to change a bit earlier than I would.
That kinda makes it "take what you get, and adjust" ;)

el gato
06-01-2021, 08:09 AM
I also test r45. It's a great rubber.The weight in 2.0 is 67 grams.

zeio
06-01-2021, 08:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/motOuQP9THw?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

ZeroTT
06-02-2021, 01:46 PM
I was also interested in this rubber because the R48 rubber was one of the best I ever tried.
My mind was already made up for choosing the R48 and play my whole season with it but 1 thing messed that up.

The durability

I play 3 to 4 times a week or sometimes more and the rubber lost quickly a lot of it's properties.
In about 6 weeks the rubber performed almost 30 to 40% less for me and that was a big drawback tbh

So my fear is that the R45 will suffer from this as well.

Manto76
06-02-2021, 03:31 PM
I felt the biggest surprise when comparing R45 to its bigger siblings R47 and R48, as well as a Rhyzer 2.0 (R45 ultramax).
The overall balance of its properties makes R45 a real alternative for this segment, too – if you are looking to gain some control while not loosing too much performance.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts of Rasanter R45 compared to the Joola Rhyzer Pro 45 please!

Airoc
06-02-2021, 10:19 PM
Would love to hear more of your thoughts of Rasanter R45 compared to the Joola Rhyzer Pro 45 please!
I may have been inaccurate. I compared R45 to Rhyzer 48, which was 2.0 mm as opposed to R45´s ultramax.
I have no experience with Rhyzer 45, that would be an interesting candidate and maybe if I get a chance to see a friend who plays with it the comparison can be done, but there are several corona restrictions between us still...

Airoc
06-27-2021, 11:25 PM
Would love to hear more of your thoughts of Rasanter R45 compared to the Joola Rhyzer Pro 45 please!
Today I had a chance to play them both on Apolonia blades 3 grams apart, so a good neutral basis for comparing them.

Rasanter gives me more spin and just feels more complete, for lack of a better description. The owner of both blades, though sponsored by Joola, picked Rasanter R45 as his new rubber for the same reasons. He says maybe the Rhyzer gives marginally better control, the Rasanter being a little more aggressive.

Since we tested some other stuff today my impression is the result of playing both rackets for a few minutes only, but even if I hadn´t known Rasanter R45 before I still would´ve picked it over Rhyzer on first impression.

MOG
11-05-2021, 01:40 PM
Airoc, do you still feel positve about Rasanter 45?
If I wanted to move away from T05fx, but wanted to retain the spin and arc, maybe gain a bit of control, this rubber sounds ideal.

Normally when I try other stuff I end up disappointed.
eg FX-S, Hexer Grip, Rhyzer 45.

What is the durability like on it?

dh0llyw00d
11-09-2021, 04:11 AM
Airoc, do you still feel positve about Rasanter 45?
If I wanted to move away from T05fx, but wanted to retain the spin and arc, maybe gain a bit of control, this rubber sounds ideal.

Normally when I try other stuff I end up disappointed.
eg FX-S, Hexer Grip, Rhyzer 45.

What is the durability like on it?
Chiming in...I've played with mine ~10hrs / week for about 3 months, still going strong!

Kolev
11-10-2021, 08:29 AM
Airoc, do you still feel positve about Rasanter 45?
If I wanted to move away from T05fx, but wanted to retain the spin and arc, maybe gain a bit of control, this rubber sounds ideal.

Normally when I try other stuff I end up disappointed.
eg FX-S, Hexer Grip, Rhyzer 45.

What is the durability like on it?
Would you please share why were you disappointed with the Rhyzer 45?

rogerino75
11-23-2021, 08:29 AM
Thanks for the review. Played with Bluestorm z2 before, but wanted a rubber that was a little softer. z3 is just to soft for me.

R45 is a very good rubber. Awsome control and spin. Hardness just perfect for me. Recommended

Hasna Haura Hayfa
11-24-2021, 07:46 AM
rogerino75;356976Terima kasih atas ulasannya. Dimainkan dengan Bluestorm z2 sebelumnya, tetapi menginginkan karet yang sedikit lebih lembut. z3 hanya untuk lembut bagi saya.

R45 adalah karet yang sangat bagus. Kontrol dan putaran yang luar biasa. Kekerasan sempurna bagi saya. Direkomendasikan
 Is it good on the backhand? How does it feel?

rogerino75
11-24-2021, 12:11 PM
ÂIs it good on the backhand? How does it feel?
Good overall. Not superfast, but good for punch, push, block and lifting backspinballs. Very stable rubber.

My favorite bh rubber was Mantra M before this.

Also not a heavy rubber.

Dream2K
11-24-2021, 05:44 PM
Good overall. Not superfast, but good for punch, push, block and lifting backspinballs. Very stable rubber.

My favorite bh rubber was Mantra M before this.

Also not a heavy rubber.
Have you tried R48? I am enjoying R48 on BH. I believe that Andro got it right this time with the new sponge.

Hasna Haura Hayfa
11-25-2021, 02:15 AM
Good overall. Not superfast, but good for punch, push, block and lifting backspinballs. Very stable rubber.

My favorite bh rubber was Mantra M before this.

Also not a heavy rubber.
 thank you, I still choose BH rubber, whether H3N 37 degrees, Andro 45 or 48 degrees, xiom vega pro/Europe, or other European rubber with a hardness of around 45 - 47.5 degrees. all look good!

Chewy
04-12-2022, 07:48 AM
Today I had a chance to play them both on Apolonia blades 3 grams apart, so a good neutral basis for comparing them.Rasanter gives me more spin and just feels more complete, for lack of a better description. The owner of both blades, though sponsored by Joola, picked Rasanter R45 as his new rubber for the same reasons. He says maybe the Rhyzer gives marginally better control, the Rasanter being a little more aggressive.Since we tested some other stuff today my impression is the result of playing both rackets for a few minutes only, but even if I hadn´t known Rasanter R45 before I still would´ve picked it over Rhyzer on first impression.
Airoc, thank you once again for your reviews.Could you touch more on the differences between the R48 and R45?
Does the R45 truly play identical to the R48, just with a softer sponge?

I've played the R47, R42 & V42 before. Seems like most comparisons are between the R53, R48 and R47.
Which are mostly favourable reviews towards the R53 & R48 (Being the "new sponge' and all..)

I kinda fit all 3 "ifs" in your description. And similar to MOG am very curious how the R45 compares to the T05FX as well.FX-S, is a good rubber. However, I wished it had more speed and slightly lesser spin sensitivity.
Here's hoping that R45 would fill this gap!

IB66
04-12-2022, 08:13 AM
I haven't used R45 that much, but I have it on an all wood Primorac with R48 as the other rubber. Both are very good rubbers, the one difference that I really noticed is the bounciness, both are bouncy, but it seemed to me at first that the R45 was harder to control on softer shots, I put this down to the softer sponge being easier to 'activate', so even with softer shots like pushes and slower blocks, the sponge is engaged slightly easier than with the R48, the result (for myself) was I found it a little harder to control at first, took some play time to get use to it. a little more care with the short game touch and feel was needed.

Chewy
04-12-2022, 09:36 AM
I haven't used R45 that much, but I have it on an all wood Primorac with R48 as the other rubber. Both are very good rubbers, the one difference that I really noticed is the bounciness, both are bouncy, but it seemed to me at first that the R45 was harder to control on softer shots, I put this down to the softer sponge being easier to 'activate', so even with softer shots like pushes and slower blocks, the sponge is engaged slightly easier than with the R48, the result (for myself) was I found it a little harder to control at first, took some play time to get use to it. a little more care with the short game touch and feel was needed.
Thank you IB66. Have you used the R42 before? How does the R45 compare?
When I played the R42 for a longer period of time, I was kinda lost. Lacked speed and overall I felt I was playing with an "airy' rubber. With no stand out characteristics. Not sure how to explain. But I ultimately dropped it.

On the other hand, the R47 was good then. Very fast, but I had to adjust by closing my bat angle. The ball does shoot off quite fast, so control was a problem there. I wasn't able to execute powerful shots and "activate" the sponge all the time for maximum spin.
From what I read from a couple of forum members. I think the R48 was the R47 we were looking for. 😄

IB66
04-12-2022, 12:45 PM
Thank you IB66. Have you used the R42 before? How does the R45 compare?
When I played the R42 for a longer period of time, I was kinda lost. Lacked speed and overall I felt I was playing with an "airy' rubber. With no stand out characteristics. Not sure how to explain. But I ultimately dropped it.

On the other hand, the R47 was good then. Very fast, but I had to adjust by closing my bat angle. The ball does shoot off quite fast, so control was a problem there. I wasn't able to execute powerful shots and "activate" the sponge all the time for maximum spin.
From what I read from a couple of forum members. I think the R48 was the R47 we were looking for. 😄
Hi Chewy,

Never used R42, so can't comment.
I have used R48 mainly on BH, very good as far as I was concerned!! some have reported a drop off in performance from how it plays straight out of the pack, but even so still loads of spin and enough speed. Also the drop in performance is no different to a good number of other ESN rubbers by all accounts!!

Chewy
04-16-2022, 08:40 AM
Hi Chewy,

Never used R42, so can't comment.
I have used R48 mainly on BH, very good as far as I was concerned!! some have reported a drop off in performance from how it plays straight out of the pack, but even so still loads of spin and enough speed. Also the drop in performance is no different to a good number of other ESN rubbers by all accounts!!
Thanks IB66.
Yeah.. I think I only had one experience where the drop was really obvious. It was with the MX-P.
My friend did mention after a while, on the R48. White lines started to appear. (He usually takes good care of his rubbers)
Did you experience anything similar?

IB66
04-16-2022, 08:48 AM
Thanks IB66.
Yeah.. I think I only had one experience where the drop was really obvious. It was with the MX-P.
My friend did mention after a while, on the R48. White lines started to appear. (He usually takes good care of his rubbers)
Did you experience anything similar?
No white lines seen, but maybe others have more info on overall durability over a longer period of time.
My rubbers usually get changed reasonably often. When I tried R48 it stayed on one bat for max 3 months, then got swapped for something else I wanted to try!! EJ shakes got to me!!!

Chewy
04-16-2022, 09:20 AM
No white lines seen, but maybe others have more info on overall durability over a longer period of time.
My rubbers usually get changed reasonably often. When I tried R48 it stayed on one bat for max 3 months, then got swapped for something else I wanted to try!! EJ shakes got to me!!!
Hahahahaha! Me already having them EJ shakes.
The only therapy before buying, is consultation to my fellow EJs. 😂

Did you take off both the R48 and R45 rubbers already? On to Rakza Z now?

IB66
04-16-2022, 10:16 AM
Hahahahaha! Me already having them EJ shakes.
The only therapy before buying, is consultation to my fellow EJs. 😂

Did you take off both the R48 and R45 rubbers already? On to Rakza Z now?
They are on a Primorac all wood blade, I have lent this to a team mate for her to try out, but as yet I haven’t heard much back from her!!! I think she is still using her older set up.
At one point i had R48 on BH and Rakza Z on FH mounted on a Donic Appelgren Dotec blade, liked both rubbers but I have a tendency to veer towards rubbers with some tackiness!! Hybrids!!!
I used H8-80 for a while, another rubber that is great!! RZ, RZ EH give some more bounce, more towards grippy bouncy rubbers like R48, T05 etc.

Airoc
04-16-2022, 07:45 PM
Hybrids!!
Wait for the andro ones ;)
They have decided to release Rasanter C53 and C48, the latter should really be a fantastic alternative for "normal" players. As I see it, if I wanted to move on - or is that sideways? ;-) - from R48 to any available Hybrid I would have to go a few degrees harder. I have played Tibhar K3 with lots of booster on a friend´s racket and I liked it. I have also played a C55 with booster and liked it even more, but I am not willing to go through the boosting procedures myself.
So, this C48 looks very, very intriguing to me.

IB66
04-16-2022, 09:52 PM
Wait for the andro ones ;)
They have decided to release Rasanter C53 and C48, the latter should really be a fantastic alternative for "normal" players. As I see it, if I wanted to move on - or is that sideways? ;-) - from R48 to any available Hybrid I would have to go a few degrees harder. I have played Tibhar K3 with lots of booster on a friend´s racket and I liked it. I have also played a C55 with booster and liked it even more, but I am not willing to go through the boosting procedures myself.
So, this C48 looks very, very intriguing to me.
Ooooohhhh nooooo!!! EJ shakes have just gone into overdrive!!! 🤪 just gotta get me some!!!!!!!

guni4you
04-16-2022, 11:22 PM
Wait for the andro ones ;)
They have decided to release Rasanter C53 and C48, the latter should really be a fantastic alternative for "normal" players. As I see it, if I wanted to move on - or is that sideways? ;-) - from R48 to any available Hybrid I would have to go a few degrees harder. I have played Tibhar K3 with lots of booster on a friend´s racket and I liked it. I have also played a C55 with booster and liked it even more, but I am not willing to go through the boosting procedures myself.
So, this C48 looks very, very intriguing to me.
Hey,
when will andro release C53 and C48?

Gozo
05-03-2022, 02:07 AM
I am sooooo getting this R45 for my BH use in a few days time. Waiting for the 5th of May (05.05) sales day on Shopee online. It is around USD 45 after discount.

I am getting the green colour coz I am gushingly an Aruna's fan-boy.
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Dominikk85
05-03-2022, 05:57 AM
Does quadri play the R45?

Gozo
05-03-2022, 06:07 AM
Does quadri play the R45?
No. Aruna is playing with Gewo rubber. I did not choose Gewo because I am unfamiliar with its product.

Airoc
05-03-2022, 07:03 AM
Hey,
when will andro release C53 and C48?
I´ve not seen an official date yet but from what I have been told end of May should be a good guess.

Gozo
05-09-2022, 08:22 AM
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Gozo
05-09-2022, 08:28 AM
Rasanter R45 Ultramax Green colour variant.

Uncut weighs in at 67g.

Darker Speed 90 Blade with FH ( Donic Acuda S1 Turbo ) + BH ( Andro Rasanter R45 ) weighs in at 193g

My first impression is that the R45 is a rubber of top notch quality. It feels luxurious. The rubber is completely matt and grippy. Completely non-tacky.

It has a soft feel and visually all I can say it is of very high quality.

Will play with it this evening with my club mates.

Gozo
05-10-2022, 05:01 AM
My first play impression:

1. Suitable for BH mainly. It is too soft for FH unless you are Jr player U13 / U10 or man with girlie strength.

2. The user needs to actively brush the rubber to generate the spin, that is why on the packaging, it states for advanced player only. However, if properly brushed, the spin is problematic for your receiver. It will kick off your opponent bat.

3. Blocking is where it shines. This rubber according to the manufacturer is all-round. I would put in around Donic M3 category. It has massive massive control. You can actively block and place the ball where you want like a GPS enabled smart bomb.

4. It is not for power BH drive oriented player. It is mainly used as a BH support to set-up for a FH dominant player. I mean it will not win you out-right points but you can control the placement much more easier as a set-up for your FH loop kill / smash.

These are my thoughts for the time being. Feel free to ask me more if you need so.

guni4you
05-10-2022, 07:04 AM
My first play impression:

1. Suitable for BH mainly. It is too soft for FH unless you are Jr player U13 / U10 or man with girlie strength.

2. The user needs to actively brush the rubber to generate the spin, that is why on the packaging, it states for advanced player only. However, if properly brushed, the spin is problematic for your receiver. It will kick off your opponent bat.

3. Blocking is where it shines. This rubber according to the manufacturer is all-round. I would put in around Donic M3 category. It has massive massive control. You can actively block and place the ball where you want like a GPS enabled smart bomb.

4. It is not for power BH drive oriented player. It is mainly used as a BH support to set-up for a FH dominant player. I mean it will not win you out-right points but you can control the placement much more easier as a set-up for your FH loop kill / smash.

These are my thoughts for the time being. Feel free to ask me more if you need so.
How does it compare with tenergy fx series for example tenergy 05fx

Gozo
05-10-2022, 07:13 AM
How does it compare with tenergy fx series for example tenergy 05fx
Not sure coz' I have never used T05fx before. But I would say it is comparable to Donic M3. It is a control all round rubber ( referring to R45 )