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Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 07:57 AM
HI guys. I'm a new member of this great community. I'm from Italy and i'm 29 years old.
I would like to know if there were other antispin players here inside. I'm a big fan of this style of play.
It would be nice to share your experience.
I also have a youtube channel where i upload my matches and test:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xYBrHS0SiWA?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/c-gHyZ4YtVQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vehz_HYx1GU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/JehKczh7azI?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Df9Ih7u0sR4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gov0AvM9EP0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Bye! πŸ‘

Lycanthrope
08-23-2021, 08:28 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ

Gozo
08-23-2021, 09:45 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
Hear hear! I am surprise you nor the umpire did not call out his totally illegal serve during the match.

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 09:57 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ He was convinced he was playing beach table tennis! :)

Gozo
08-23-2021, 10:20 AM
HI guys. I'm a new member of this great community. I'm from Italy and i'm 29 years old.
I would like to know if there were other antispin players here inside. I'm a big fan of this style of play.
It would be nice to share your experience.
I also have a youtube channel where i upload my matches and test:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/zX2ndM6o9ac?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/vBozB7OAPXQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
Bye! πŸ‘
Hello Andrea,

Nice play my friend. May I ask you, what then is a good blade to pair with anti-rubber. BTW, what brand of anti are you using?

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 10:56 AM
Hello Andrea,

Nice play my friend. May I ask you, what then is a good blade to pair with anti-rubber. BTW, what brand of anti are you using?
Hi Gozo!
IMHO, the best combination for maximum effectiveness is a fast and stiff blade and a antitop with slow and dampening sponge.
I in fact use Stiga Carbonado 190 and Dr Neubauer ABS (the old one).
The choice of blade is personal. It depends on what you are used to play with. For example there are a lot of stiff blades with balsa but i don't like the feeling of these.

Lazer
08-23-2021, 05:10 PM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
I do the same thing, I get called on it every once in a while. It’s really hard to get rid of. When you stop thinking about it you fall right back...

Cheers
L-zr

Tinykin
08-23-2021, 05:19 PM
The OP must have some strong glutesπŸ˜ƒ
Any particular exercise that you do?

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 06:51 PM
The OP must have some strong glutesπŸ˜ƒ
Any particular exercise that you do?
Hi tinykin. Sorry but i didn't understand what you're referring to.

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 07:42 PM
Here a new video! antispin vs antispin and long pimples. hope you enjoy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Tinykin
08-23-2021, 10:14 PM
Hi tinykin. Sorry but i didn't understand what you're referring to.
Sorry, mate. You have a very low stance when you are in your ready position. Thus you must have very strong leg muscles.

brokenball
08-24-2021, 02:26 AM
Andrea, why are you playing with frictionless anti when you are so mobile? You fore hand is your main weapon. You have good loops and are fast enough to get into position. It is hard to keep the opponent under pressure with anti and especially frictionless anti. I don't see where the anti was doing you much good.

I noticed some chopping type of strokes in the first video. Trying to chop with frictionless anti is a waste of effort. One can chop with Best Anti because ut has some friction but it won't fool anybody.

The only thing I see that could be better is hitting the ball with the anti a little sooner. When playing the chopper you bounced back balls with your anti when at their peak. The problem is that balls that are hit from a high position will also bounce high. Hitting the ball when lower is a little more risky but the ball will not bounce up high. Also, you can use the chopper's back spin as your top spin so you can be a little more aggressive with the speed. Another thing that would be good to try is to block the ball right after the bounce to kill its energy and block short making the chopper run up to the table.

Consider twiddling. I didn't see any.

I have a Dr Neubauer Matador with T05 on the FH and Megablock on the BH. I use more a push blocking style, as if I am playing with long pips, and stay closer to the table but I am 68 and not near as mobile as you.

lodro
08-24-2021, 02:47 AM
Hear hear! I am surprise you nor the umpire did not call out his totally illegal serve during the match.
😁I just got the invite to our club competition and it said that it would be played under ITTF standard rules.
Knowing the ""STANDARD"" of most of the serves here, and the fact that everybody has long given up
calling illegal serves, I was going to ask the umpires if they would really play under the ITTF standard rules - or the Walt Disney version (AKA Micky Mouse)
Now we just got put into Covid lockdown............................bugger.

Gozo
08-24-2021, 04:29 AM
Here a new video! antispin vs antispin and long pimples. hope you enjoy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
Amazing game. Good one Andrea. Very entertaining! 😍

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:02 AM
Sorry, mate. You have a very low stance when you are in your ready position. Thus you must have very strong leg muscles.
I enjoy doing both strenght and mobility training. It helps a lot!
Some of the exercises you can do are squats, lunges and wall sit.

t.t.s.t.a.r
08-24-2021, 08:03 AM
😁I just got the invite to our club competition and it said that it would be played under ITTF standard rules.
Knowing the ""STANDARD"" of most of the serves here, and the fact that everybody has long given up
calling illegal serves, I was going to ask the umpires if they would really play under the ITTF standard rules - or the Walt Disney version (AKA Micky Mouse)
Now we just got put into Covid lockdown............................bugger.
I am New Zealand as well, I was looking forward to the south island championships, but nope, which club are you from?

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:19 AM
Andrea, why are you playing with frictionless anti when you are so mobile? You fore hand is your main weapon. You have good loops and are fast enough to get into position. It is hard to keep the opponent under pressure with anti and especially frictionless anti. I don't see where the anti was doing you much good.

I noticed some chopping type of strokes in the first video. Trying to chop with frictionless anti is a waste of effort. One can chop with Best Anti because ut has some friction but it won't fool anybody.

The only thing I see that could be better is hitting the ball with the anti a little sooner. When playing the chopper you bounced back balls with your anti when at their peak. The problem is that balls that are hit from a high position will also bounce high. Hitting the ball when lower is a little more risky but the ball will not bounce up high. Also, you can use the chopper's back spin as your top spin so you can be a little more aggressive with the speed. Another thing that would be good to try is to block the ball right after the bounce to kill its energy and block short making the chopper run up to the table.

Consider twiddling. I didn't see any.

I have a Dr Neubauer Matador with T05 on the FH and Megablock on the BH. I use more a push blocking style, as if I am playing with long pips, and stay closer to the table but I am 68 and not near as mobile as you.
Hi! These are excellent considerations.
I played for years with 2 Tenergy then i switched to this style because my backhand was not so strong.
I really enjoy playing with a frictionless anti because allow me to slow down the game and then hit hard with my forehand.
Obviously there are pros and cons.

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:21 AM
Amazing game. Good one Andrea. Very entertaining! 😍
This is great! very happy you liked.❀

Tinykin
08-24-2021, 01:58 PM
I enjoy doing both strenght and mobility training. It helps a lot!
Some of the exercises you can do are squats, lunges and wall sit.

Good. I am closer to 70yo than 60yo and have now started using a low stance. Not as low as yours of course. The reason is purely to acquire more fitness from playing TT. It's fun so far (except for a little PITA☺) and I am really tired afterwards, so it must be working 😎.

Andrea_Aschi
08-27-2021, 02:30 PM
New video! πŸ–
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YZ-DZivYExo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
08-27-2021, 10:08 PM
Andrea, you inspired me to try to play with my Megablock. I hadn't played with it for a while. I drew a perfect vacuum. ( That is headed engineer speak for I sucked ). My anti hitting was awful. Just bouncing the ball back wasn't winning me any points because my practice partner has lots of playing against my LP or Anti. I found I had to play more like your style where I had to move and use my FH to win points. What worked well was blocking short to the sides just behind the net. When I get a weak return I can move fast enough so that I can kill with my FH.

I decided that Megablock or any friction-less anti didn't fit my personality, too passive, so I removed it and put on 1.5mm Yasaka Anti Power, YAP. YAP has more friction but then I could return "running serves" with a chop was only marginally effective but better than with friction-less anti. I would try to chop deep. Otherwise I was trying to block left and right and angles and just behind the net until I could get a FH attack.

So friction-less anti is not the right rubber for me. I really don't think it is the right rubber for you. We'll see.

Andrea_Aschi
08-28-2021, 07:33 AM
Andrea, you inspired me to try to play with my Megablock. What worked well was blocking short to the sides just behind the net. When I get a weak return I can move fast enough so that I can kill with my FH.




I'm happy i inspired you! that's exactly what you should do with a slow antitop on bh.
Unfortunately this style is not suitable for everyone. I understand you prefer to play with YAP, it's more versatile!

brokenball
08-28-2021, 02:33 PM
I'm happy i inspired you! that's exactly what you should do with a slow antitop on bh.
Unfortunately this style is not suitable for everyone. I understand you prefer to play with YAP, it's more versatile!
But now I know I am not a frictionless anti player. I need to be more aggressive. Just bouncing the ball back isn't enough.
BTW, go to the OOAK forum if you haven't found it already.
https://ooakforum.com (https://ooakforum.com/search.php?search_id=active_topics&sid=c9a8dd72fd04bb40b4cbcd22c75320e4)
They have more anti and LP players there. There is one player, AA, that seems to be sponsored by Der Material Specialist and plays with frictionless anti
There is a section on anti rubbers
https://ooakforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17Practice blocking short. Here is a video where I win 3 points in 2 minutes blocking short with LP 0X Giant Dragon Talon
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/Jeff%20and%20Peter%20with%20Blocking%20LP%202min.mp4
I think this would drive the choppers nuts and would have made the match against the chopper easier.

Rinforzando
08-28-2021, 05:35 PM
AA = Amir Ahmed you can find some videos of him on youtube

Andrea_Aschi
08-29-2021, 07:49 AM
But now I know I am not a frictionless anti player. I need to be more aggressive. Just bouncing the ball back isn't enough.
BTW, go to the OOAK forum if you haven't found it already.
https://ooakforum.com (https://ooakforum.com/search.php?search_id=active_topics&sid=c9a8dd72fd04bb40b4cbcd22c75320e4)
They have more anti and LP players there. There is one player, AA, that seems to be sponsored by Der Material Specialist and plays with frictionless anti
There is a section on anti rubbers
https://ooakforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17Practice blocking short. Here is a video where I win 3 points in 2 minutes blocking short with LP 0X Giant Dragon Talon
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/Jeff%20and%20Peter%20with%20Blocking%20LP%202min.mp4
I think this would drive the choppers nuts and would have made the match against the chopper easier.


I'm already a member of the OOAK forum. Great community! I have posted in the video section.
AA is a very strong anti player, definitely better than me. But i'm not crazy about his style.

I saw your video. Great timing on the ball both FH both BH!

Andrea_Aschi
08-31-2021, 03:48 PM
New video. Some training clips! πŸ˜‰
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gov0AvM9EP0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

TTOmar
08-31-2021, 07:20 PM
You are using ABS now, did you consider trying ABS 2 , 2 Soft or ABS 2 Evo?

Andrea_Aschi
09-01-2021, 07:14 AM
You are using ABS now, did you consider trying ABS 2 , 2 Soft or ABS 2 Evo?
Hi Omar!
I have never tried them. I'm not one who likes to do so many experiments.
You instead? if you could give me your opinion on these i would be grateful. ;)

Andrea_Aschi
09-04-2021, 05:23 PM
long battle against LP chopper!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kAeRCFpyNPo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-11-2021, 05:02 PM
New video! :)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/GXgqc2f_mLk?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-19-2021, 08:37 AM
new video! πŸ˜‡
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Df9Ih7u0sR4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-29-2021, 07:29 PM
training video:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/JehKczh7azI?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
09-30-2021, 03:40 AM
Another good video. I liked this video too. I am paying attention to how close off the bounce you are hitting the ball. What do you do when your oppoent hits a very fast ball? Do you pull the paddle back like a catcher does with his mitt when catching a fast ball? Pulling your paddle back slightly will reduce the speed of the return significant and allow you to block shorter. Your opponent seemed to have trouble with the anti.
Some people don't know they should push one and top spin the next when playing against LP and anti. BTW, I removed my frictionless anti and replaced it with Yasaka Anti Power. It has a little more grip and less passive spin reversal. Yasaka anti power requires a more active stroke but I can chop a bit if necessary. I like your videos.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Df9Ih7u0sR4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-08-2021, 04:35 PM
Another good video. I liked this video too. I am paying attention to how close off the bounce you are hitting the ball. What do you do when your oppoent hits a very fast ball? Do you pull the paddle back like a catcher does with his mitt when catching a fast ball? Pulling your paddle back slightly will reduce the speed of the return significant and allow you to block shorter.
Thank you brokenball! :)
I do exactly what you said when i have to respond a fast topspin. It is more issue of reflexes than technique.

By the way, new training video with slow sponge!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vehz_HYx1GU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
10-08-2021, 06:07 PM
Thank you brokenball! :)
I do exactly what you said when i have to respond a fast topspin. It is more issue of reflexes than technique.

By the way, new training video with slow sponge!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vehz_HYx1GU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

I would like to see you block short at an angle against a chopper when he is back from the table. I know you can do it. That will make them run up and back. If you block short to their pips, they will struggle to get the ball back and you will own them.

Andrea_Aschi
10-13-2021, 04:45 PM
new video! This time with aggressive backhand.😁
https://www.youtube.com/embed/c-gHyZ4YtVQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-19-2021, 07:07 PM
new training video with the slowest sponge available. πŸ˜‰
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xYBrHS0SiWA?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0