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RayanH
11-06-2021, 06:50 PM
Hello, I’m a 15 year old beginner/intermediate penholder who is offensive based. I am technically choosing my first paddle and my real first one is a 20$ premade one off Amazon . I have already purchased the yasaka ma Lin extra offensive for my blade and am looking for the right tacky Chinese rubber for my forehand and either a hybrid type rubber/tensor or soft Chinese rubber for backhand. I am deciding between a some options
for my forehand out of these what would you recommend (if any other ones I am also open to hearing them) Hurricane 3 neo, hurricane 3, 729 FX , 729 battle 2 blue sponge, xiom omega V Asia, xiom omega v China, Yinhe Jupiter 2,

for backhand I need more help as I only have little options. Xiom omega v euro, rakza 9, hurricane 8 soft
also what thickness would you recommend for both sides I’m thinking max for both
thank you a response would be super helpful as I don’t have anybody to ask and not many friends, I have a coach but he is not very helpful but I’ll try to ask him more specific questions

Mece
11-06-2021, 08:15 PM
Hello, I’m a 15 year old beginner/intermediate penholder who is offensive based. I am technically choosing my first paddle and my real first one is a 20$ premade one off Amazon . I have already purchased the yasaka ma Lin extra offensive for my blade and am looking for the right tacky Chinese rubber for my forehand and either a hybrid type rubber/tensor or soft Chinese rubber for backhand. I am deciding between a some options
for my forehand out of these what would you recommend (if any other ones I am also open to hearing them) Hurricane 3 neo, hurricane 3, 729 FX , 729 battle 2 blue sponge, xiom omega V Asia, xiom omega v China, Yinhe Jupiter 2,

for backhand I need more help as I only have little options. Xiom omega v euro, rakza 9, hurricane 8 soft
also what thickness would you recommend for both sides I’m thinking max for both
thank you a response would be super helpful as I don’t have anybody to ask and not many friends, I have a coach but he is not very helpful but I’ll try to ask him more specific questions
I advice you to take cheap rubbers and invest more money in individual training with coach. It's a way to progress quickly and find out what equipment really suits you and what your style of play is.
Yasaka Ma lin extra offensive is great blade, but as first blade it can bee too fast or too hard for you. For me personally, that blade was phenomenal. I enjoyed the speed of the blade, which allowed me to finish the point from 3th or 5th ball attack. It's great for block and flat hits. But I took it for the first time after 2-3 years of playing with an all/all+ blade and regular training 3-4 times a week with a coach and good sparring partners.
Since this kind of racket is very different from premade racket, for rubbers I advise you to take something cheap likelike 729fx, yasaka mark v or xiom mussa...I think these rubbers are best for developing good technique and the fastest progress.
The rubbers you mentioned are great, but in my opinion they are not for beginners, especially for the transition from premade racket to pro like blade.
I hope I helped you something.

Kuba Hajto
11-06-2021, 08:44 PM
Hello, I’m a 15 year old beginner/intermediate penholder who is offensive based. I am technically choosing my first paddle and my real first one is a 20$ premade one off Amazon . I have already purchased the yasaka ma Lin extra offensive for my blade and am looking for the right tacky Chinese rubber for my forehand and either a hybrid type rubber/tensor or soft Chinese rubber for backhand. I am deciding between a some options
for my forehand out of these what would you recommend (if any other ones I am also open to hearing them) Hurricane 3 neo, hurricane 3, 729 FX , 729 battle 2 blue sponge, xiom omega V Asia, xiom omega v China, Yinhe Jupiter 2,

for backhand I need more help as I only have little options. Xiom omega v euro, rakza 9, hurricane 8 soft
also what thickness would you recommend for both sides I’m thinking max for both
thank you a response would be super helpful as I don’t have anybody to ask and not many friends, I have a coach but he is not very helpful but I’ll try to ask him more specific questions
Do you train in a club?

RayanH
11-06-2021, 09:06 PM
Ok yeah I know what you mean. The premade paddle I have right now is actually generally hard def not a tensor I don’t even think it’s a real rubber but the transition will still be difficult. I play with coaches 2 times a week and practice with partners for another 2 days so like 4 days a week. The yasaka mark V is a tensor rubber right ? I’m trying to transition into Chinese tacky rubber while I’m still new and if I got into euro rubbers right now I probably will never switch.

RayanH
11-06-2021, 09:07 PM
Yes 2 times a week with penhold coaches that will correct my strokes if I’m misusing Chinese rubbers and I’ll play with friends on the other days so like 4-5 times a week.

RayanH
11-06-2021, 09:12 PM
Also the Jupiter 2 is 15$ so a cheap rubber and factory boosted which I think could help would you recommend that or still 729 fx and any Rec for backhand?

Kuba Hajto
11-06-2021, 09:15 PM
Then Jupiter 2 39 and Xiom Eu

davizoosk
11-06-2021, 09:29 PM
729 Super FX Blue Sponge on FH and Yinhe Moon (soft) on BH is a good choice I think. And from now, start to create an opinion of boosting rubbers, its very important have your opinion about this before buy chinese rubbers.Improve your tecnhique, practice, practice, and more practice. Them when you have practiced a lot, go to other rubbers, like Skyline 2 Neo on FH and Moon Speed on BH, or some tensor.

RayanH
11-06-2021, 09:29 PM
Ok thanks a lot, there’s so many different versions of the xiom eu, 5,7 , Vega, should I jus go with the xiom Vega 5 euro

Kuba Hajto
11-06-2021, 09:35 PM
Ok thanks a lot, there’s so many different versions of the xiom eu, 5,7 , Vega, should I jus go with the xiom Vega 5 euro
You mentioned you only have XiomOmega V Eu so i suggested that.

EDIT:
Sorry for the suggestions without reasoning. Regarding the FH rubber. By the time you will learn to use it you will probably want a harder rubber. I found that for people who know how to use it properly boosted 40 or factory boosted 39 is quite a sweet spot. It is not that hard to hit through if your stroke is good.

Jupiter 2 is an excellent rubber but durability is not so good. In 4-6 months of regular play I literally wore a hole in the middle of the rubber. It is cheap and relatively easy to use though. By the time the sheet is done, you will know whether you like it or not, and you will not spend that much money in the process. In my opinion, Jupiter is somewhere between commercial H3 and Prov H3 / Battle 2.

Regarding BH rubber I would pick any tensor you can get. I really really love the Gewo El Pro 48. But from my personal list of favorites Xiom Vega Japan, Victas V01 Stiff, and Donic Bluefire M (I don't remember the number after M, the 47.5 degree one). They are much less spin sensitive than the Gewo, but they are not as spiny themselves.

Michael Zhuang
11-06-2021, 11:14 PM
It sounds like you want to save money (good idea). For your forehand, I would recommend 729 Bloom Power, Yinhe Big Dipper, Reactor Tornado V5, or Loki Rxton 5.Â

For your backhand, I would recommend Palio AK47, or Reactor Ckylin Pro

RayanH
11-06-2021, 11:58 PM
Thanks a lot what do you mean by opinion. Im not sure, I think I will boost my rubbers as it’s kinda needed I want to first try with baby oil then go to like Falco long or haifu but is there any way to do it without Breathing in too many toxins I heard thags the one downside to it?

Brs
11-07-2021, 12:13 AM
Hurricane 3 neo forehand and hurricane 8 soft backhand.

Der_Echte
11-07-2021, 01:03 AM
Also the Jupiter 2 is 15$ so a cheap rubber and factory boosted which I think could help would you recommend that or still 729 fx and any Rec for backhand?
Hi Rayan,

Right now, there is no need to get into real expensive equipment. Your over-riding factors in your decision process should SUITABLE EQUIPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT and PRICE.

Your blade, Ma Lin Extra, is suitable, so is the suggestion of Jupier 2. That rubber will not last very long, but you should be able to get 100 hours out of it. For $12 a sheet, that is increadible value. That will be suitable for FH, possibly BH.

You are probably dealing with Cole (colestt.com) or Tom (zeropong.com) ask them about something softer suitable if you think Jupiter is too hard on BH. Mercury or Earth might fit that.

Marlon Macadaeg
11-07-2021, 07:34 AM
Hi, I'm an intermediate player playing for 5 years in table tennis. I'm using inverted rubbers as of now( Hurricane 3 neo, MX-P). My blade is Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Inner. I'm planning to change my BH rubber to an anti spin( Yasaka trick anti) because I feel like I can't be an offensive player on both my FH and BH. I'm having trouble on receiving a serve too. Right now, I want to try antispin rubber but I don't want to risk my money to buy it so I need some advice on how to play with anti spin. Thank you. I watched some clips in youtube but I don't understand yet. The timing, the angle of the bat. Thank you if someone make a response.

Kuba Hajto
11-07-2021, 07:43 AM
Hi Rayan,

Right now, there is no need to get into real expensive equipment. Your over-riding factors in your decision process should SUITABLE EQUIPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT and PRICE.

Your blade, Ma Lin Extra, is suitable, so is the suggestion of Jupier 2. That rubber will not last very long, but you should be able to get 100 hours out of it. For $12 a sheet, that is increadible value. That will be suitable for FH, possibly BH.

You are probably dealing with Cole (colestt.com) or Tom (zeropong.com) ask them about something softer suitable if you think Jupiter is too hard on BH. Mercury or Earth might fit that.
If one is from US and want the prime stuff, get Gambler. Value is sky high, the only minus is durability. But again their rubbers are very very good.

RayanH
11-07-2021, 05:34 PM
Which gambler rubber

RayanH
11-07-2021, 06:00 PM
Palio ak47 red or blue

Kuba Hajto
11-07-2021, 06:08 PM
Which gambler rubber
Volt T for FH M for Bh. I also used burst. Great bh rubber

RayanH
11-07-2021, 06:55 PM
It sounds like you want to save money (good idea). For your forehand, I would recommend 729 Bloom Power, Yinhe Big Dipper, Reactor Tornado V5, or Loki Rxton 5.Â

For your backhand, I would recommend Palio AK47, or Reactor Ckylin Pro
Palio ak47 red or blue?

Kuba Hajto
11-07-2021, 07:10 PM
Palio ak47 red or blue?
Either. Blue is softer. Red is harder. Gambler stuff is butter.

RayanH
11-07-2021, 11:53 PM
729 Super FX Blue Sponge on FH and Yinhe Moon (soft) on BH is a good choice I think. And from now, start to create an opinion of boosting rubbers, its very important have your opinion about this before buy chinese rubbers.Improve your tecnhique, practice, practice, and more practice. Them when you have practiced a lot, go to other rubbers, like Skyline 2 Neo on FH and Moon Speed on BH, or some tensor.
Do you think I should boost the yinhe moon on backhand or is it not needed. I will definitely try boosting my fh tacky rubber because I think it’s needed I’ll try with baby oil first but do you know of any way to do it with our breathing in all the chemicals I heard it can cause cancer

UpSideDownCarl
11-08-2021, 12:20 AM
Do you think I should boost the yinhe moon on backhand or is it not needed. I will definitely try boosting my fh tacky rubber because I think it’s needed I’ll try with baby oil first but do you know of any way to do it with our breathing in all the chemicals I heard it can cause cancer
Speed Glue and VOCs....the fumes from those are toxic. That is why speed glue was banned. I don't believe the boosters have harmful chemicals that evaporate into the air.

I would just get a decent booster like Haifu. Don't waste your time with baby oil. These days, the companies that make booster oils are making them much more effective than baby oil will be.

Details, be wary of anyone giving you equipment advice without having seen you play. :) Is it possible for you to post video footage so people have an actual idea of what your strokes look like and how you contact the ball on offensive shots? It does not need to be more than 20 seconds of footage....a few FH strokes and a few BH strokes will let people see how you are playing.

Also, you said you are penhold. On the reverse side, are you using this for Reverse Penhold Backhand? If yes, a worthwhile piece of information, Wang Hao, probably the best RPB player ever, used a Sriver topsheet with a Bryce Speed Sponge. What does that mean? Soft and not so spinny. And with that, he still got tons of spin. I have a friend who is a decently high level RPB player who uses Roundel on his RPB BH. He gets amazing spin regardless of how I thought I would never use a rubber as unspinny as that.

Roundel may actually be a good BH rubber if you are using RPB. Something not too spinny and not too fast. You will still generate a lot of spin because RPB can really generate a lot of spin.

As far as the rest, I am not going to say anything else without footage. But, you have already been given decent basic information even if it does not have much to do with how you play and what you need. If your description of how you play and how people are interpreting your description of how you play match up to how you actually play, you may be fine with that info. But, my experience is, it is rare that a description in words gives an accurate picture of how you play to people who will try to give you advice. :)

davizoosk
11-08-2021, 12:39 AM
Do you think I should boost the yinhe moon on backhand or is it not needed. I will definitely try boosting my fh tacky rubber because I think it’s needed I’ll try with baby oil first but do you know of any way to do it with our breathing in all the chemicals I heard it can cause cancer
Moon is a good BH learning rubber because of more control and spin, better not boost. If you really need and want more speed is better Palio AK47 Blue.

Baby oil is not bad for health, you can use on babys lol. Dandoy have a Bio Booster, and most of voc free real boosters (Haifu, Falco Tempo Long, Dianchi) no are toxic

Just on your words you are a begginer, and for begginers is better this advice:

I think you are having some issues with equipment, keep calm bro. Just take some cheap stuff and practice. Friendship Super FX is good to learn tacky rubbers, develop technique, forces footwork and forces strenght of body. If you not confident with this rubber, this ones have same idea: DHS G888 or Globe 999T, developing rubbers.

We cannot see your level, record some shots.

Michael Zhuang
11-08-2021, 02:02 AM
If you get AK47, any of the versions are fine. Red is harder and faster, but if you are beginner, blue is probably slightly easier to play with. I would go with blue in your case. Moon is a good rubber, but probably less elastic than AK47, or Ckylin, or Loki. Moon costs more than those rubbers, so there isnt really a strong reason to use it in my opinion.

Ive tried a lot of Chinese rubbers. Yinhe is good, but I find Bloom Power and Reactor and Loki to be cheaper and a little more bouncy than Yinhe.

I highly recommend you stick to one of these recommendations.

RayanH
11-08-2021, 04:40 AM
Very true let me try to get info and yes I should added I use RPB so I will check those rubbers thanks

Michael Zhuang
11-08-2021, 05:39 AM
Very true let me try to get info and yes I should added I use RPB so I will check those rubbers thanks
 If you are RPB, you would definitely want something more bouncy so you can get enough lift on your backhand loop. You could do Loki Rxton 5 on FH and Loki T3 on backhand.Â

In summary,Â
Good and cheap FH rubbers: Tornado v5 (or Thunder), Bloom Power, Rxton 5
Good and cheap BH rubbers: Ckylin Pro, AK47, Loki T3

RayanH
11-09-2021, 02:50 AM
Does the Loki rxton 5 come In only one thickness it shows no option and doesn’t state what it is on Amazon ?

RayanH
11-09-2021, 02:53 AM
Is this the correct ckylin pro rubber?

Michael Zhuang
11-09-2021, 04:36 PM
Does the Loki rxton 5 come In only one thickness it shows no option and doesn’t state what it is on Amazon ?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000409022583.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2bf019b9lWowY2&algo_pvid=9dfd62aa-f9a7-4717-a3c9-f45d7c546915&algo_exp_id=9dfd62aa-f9a7-4717-a3c9-f45d7c546915-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2210000001687254633%22%7D

I believe it only comes in MAX sponge, which is 2.2mm. But you can always ask the seller to double check.

Michael Zhuang
11-09-2021, 04:37 PM
Is this the correct ckylin pro rubber?
You havent provided a link, but this one is correct:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002307998034.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.505236f8RMnh1W&algo_pvid=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7&algo_exp_id=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000020013181710%22%7D

RayanH
11-09-2021, 10:51 PM
You havent provided a link, but this one is correct:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002307998034.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.505236f8RMnh1W&algo_pvid=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7&algo_exp_id=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000020013181710%22%7D
Oh my bad I ment this
https://www.amazon.com/Reactor-Ckylin-Small-Tennis-Rubber/dp/B01DU6ZJE2

RayanH
11-09-2021, 10:52 PM
You havent provided a link, but this one is correct:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002307998034.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.505236f8RMnh1W&algo_pvid=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7&algo_exp_id=0394fa8d-56ea-4548-9fef-7addad91efa7-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000020013181710%22%7D
Or this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/371608899773?epid=1363013142&hash=item56859dd0bd:g:5TkAAOSwvYhgqxb7

Michael Zhuang
11-10-2021, 06:03 AM
Both of these are the Ckylin, but the Ckylin PRO should be slightly bouncier and faster. Ckylin is their attempt to clone Donic Bluefire, a ESN style rubber. Not as good as real thing, but really a good attempt.