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virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 01:17 PM
Hi all;)

Im looking for rubbers to replace, mainly my H3, on the forehand.

The blade is Stiga Rosewood 5, 93g, ST ( handle doesnt really matter, does it :p ).

Anyhow, I have been switching between Neo H3 (provin.) and a lot of other rubbers. The thing that i like about H3 is the quality of stroke u can produce with it. But then the problem is, it is just too much effort, too much work for every single shot. Physically im not up to it, i find myself exhausted after a game of 5.

So im hoping to find a non-chinese rubber that will do the job. A rubber that is softer, but yet produce strokes with quality close to H3. Also i like how u can really feel the ball on the H3, i ve played with some tensor that will just eject the ball right out, before i could produce enough spin, and perfect the stroke. One last thing, almost all the new, non-chinese rubbers nowadays break quite easily.... and im sick of it.... $30~50 per sheet is quite something.... :mad:

The last two rubbers i tried for FH are Omega IV Pro, Calibra LT. I really luv calibra, just that they break a lot, and the touch/feel/spin is not good enough.

Right now, Im looking at S2. Also, maybe S3 for the BH (BH still developing, slow loop). Please give me some advice :D

Mr. RicharD
04-18-2012, 01:25 PM
S2 and S3 are skyline 2 and skyline 3? I often call it TG2 and TG3 which is why I ask. As for rubbers that allow for similar strokes you could try JOOLA Xplode. I put that on a wood blade and it was really nice. I can use the same stroke, but not worry about tiring myself out on strokes as I may do sometimes with TG3 or H3.

virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 01:26 PM
S2 and S3 are skyline 2 and skyline 3? I often call it TG2 and TG3 which is why I ask. As for rubbers that allow for similar strokes you could try JOOLA Xplode. I put that on a wood blade and it was really nice. I can use the same stroke, but not worry about tiring myself out on strokes as I may do sometimes with TG3 or H3.

Donic Acuda S2, S3 :)

fongchengloy
04-18-2012, 01:38 PM
Hi all;)

Im looking for rubbers to replace, mainly my H3, on the forehand.

The blade is Stiga Rosewood 5, 93g, ST ( handle doesnt really matter, does it :p ).

Anyhow, I have been switching between Neo H3 (provin.) and a lot of other rubbers. The thing that i like about H3 is the quality of stroke u can produce with it. But then the problem is, it is just too much effort, too much work for every single shot. Physically im not up to it, i find myself exhausted after a game of 5.

So im hoping to find a non-chinese rubber that will do the job. A rubber that is softer, but yet produce strokes with quality close to H3. Also i like how u can really feel the ball on the H3, i ve played with some tensor that will just eject the ball right out, before i could produce enough spin, and perfect the stroke. One last thing, almost all the new, non-chinese rubbers nowadays break quite easily.... and im sick of it.... $30~50 per sheet is quite something.... :mad:

The last two rubbers i tried for FH are Omega IV Pro, Calibra LT. I really luv calibra, just that they break a lot, and the touch/feel/spin is not good enough.

Right now, Im looking at S2. Also, maybe S3 for the BH (BH still developing, slow loop). Please give me some advice :D

No wonder you are exhausted after a game of 5, the blade is already very heavy at 93 gm, normally the weight of a blade should be around 85 gm, add 2 pieces of Chinese rubbers, the total weight will come close to 190gms. If you get a blade that is 85 gm, then you can stick to Chinese rubbers because the total weight is reduced to 182 gms. And if you choose non-chinese rubber then the total weight will further reduce to around 175 gms. You may want to reconsider your current setup.

Ygor
04-18-2012, 02:04 PM
try Donic Acuda S1 if you want speed! ))

virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 02:33 PM
No wonder you are exhausted after a game of 5, the blade is already very heavy at 93 gm, normally the weight of a blade should be around 85 gm, add 2 pieces of Chinese rubbers, the total weight will come close to 190gms. If you get a blade that is 85 gm, then you can stick to Chinese rubbers because the total weight is reduced to 182 gms. And if you choose non-chinese rubber then the total weight will further reduce to around 175 gms. You may want to reconsider your current setup.

well, this is my blade and im sticking with it :D
there are so many rubbers out there, really hope i can find an answer

virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 02:34 PM
try Donic Acuda S1 if you want speed! ))
does the ball dwell long on S1? my friends are telling me to get S1 too
im just worried if it is too bouncy

virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 02:37 PM
I think, what im looking for, is a rubber with the following qualities.

1. play like a slightly boosted Neo H3
2. Lighter than Neo H3
3. control / dwell time as good as Neo H3

virtuososiu
04-18-2012, 02:41 PM
try Donic Acuda S1 if you want speed! ))

Also, im NOT after MAX speed stuff. control is what i care more
after all, if tthe ball doesnt land on the table, there is no point for speed

papgesig
04-18-2012, 03:37 PM
I would stick with the DHS H3N set up...that way at least you know when you produced some quality strokes they are all through your own effort and technique.......choosing the faster rubbers, less effort, less technique, so in other words its like boosting rubbers a complete lie of the speed, control of your strokes, in my opinion using these high tensor rubbers are just plain wrong........

Tadex
04-18-2012, 04:02 PM
No non-Chinese rubbers will give you that feel and dwell I'm afraid. None that I can think of anyway. The closest will be the Donic Coppa Series I think but even then it's nothing compared to H3NEOP.

Anders
04-18-2012, 08:22 PM
Hi all;)

Im looking for rubbers to replace, mainly my H3, on the forehand.

The blade is Stiga Rosewood 5, 93g, ST ( handle doesnt really matter, does it :p ).

Anyhow, I have been switching between Neo H3 (provin.) and a lot of other rubbers. The thing that i like about H3 is the quality of stroke u can produce with it. But then the problem is, it is just too much effort, too much work for every single shot. Physically im not up to it, i find myself exhausted after a game of 5.

So im hoping to find a non-chinese rubber that will do the job. A rubber that is softer, but yet produce strokes with quality close to H3. Also i like how u can really feel the ball on the H3, i ve played with some tensor that will just eject the ball right out, before i could produce enough spin, and perfect the stroke. One last thing, almost all the new, non-chinese rubbers nowadays break quite easily.... and im sick of it.... $30~50 per sheet is quite something.... :mad:

The last two rubbers i tried for FH are Omega IV Pro, Calibra LT. I really luv calibra, just that they break a lot, and the touch/feel/spin is not good enough.

Right now, Im looking at S2. Also, maybe S3 for the BH (BH still developing, slow loop). Please give me some advice :D

If you have the skills, and also are able to spend some money... Tenergy sounds like the rubber for you.. Or else, something like Hexer HD, Rasant, Calibra og Pulse are also good rubbers :)

sxTT
04-18-2012, 11:42 PM
tenergy 05 works well with rosewood but its also very bouncy

virtuososiu
04-19-2012, 12:14 AM
thx for all the ideas guys :D
About T05, on another forum, i saw Brian Pace saying thins like "its a rubber for people who train 5 days a week, and x hours a day". That is what he said after he left BTY, u know, not being controlled any more.
Im afraid i'll be excluded from that, i only play 3 times a week. Not even half of it is training. Also, cuz of the $$.
Hexer HD, im just scared away by the "HD". It sounds like rocket fast for me :p im after quality
Rasant, can't get my hands on one. But again, the Ad sound like rocket fast to me also.

Have any one tried S2 and S3? cuz a lot of people are using S1, i wonder if s2 and s3 are also good.:rolleyes:

ducksick
04-19-2012, 01:50 AM
How bout 729-08ES? Wont take so much toll on you.

JustAlt
04-19-2012, 06:59 AM
How long have you used that hurricane? Have you considered just reboosting it?

Ygor
04-19-2012, 07:06 AM
does the ball dwell long on S1? my friends are telling me to get S1 too
im just worried if it is too bouncy
I am playing with Acuda S1 and it is perfect !

JustAlt
04-19-2012, 09:24 AM
I am playing with Acuda S1 and it is perfect !

What is perfect for you may be crap for someone else.

Anders
04-19-2012, 11:21 AM
thx for all the ideas guys :D
About T05, on another forum, i saw Brian Pace saying thins like "its a rubber for people who train 5 days a week, and x hours a day". That is what he said after he left BTY, u know, not being controlled any more.
Im afraid i'll be excluded from that, i only play 3 times a week. Not even half of it is training. Also, cuz of the $$.
Hexer HD, im just scared away by the "HD". It sounds like rocket fast for me :p im after quality
Rasant, can't get my hands on one. But again, the Ad sound like rocket fast to me also.

Have any one tried S2 and S3? cuz a lot of people are using S1, i wonder if s2 and s3 are also good.:rolleyes:

Havn't tried the S2, but both S1 and S3 are good rubbers ;)

spin88
04-19-2012, 12:40 PM
You may want to try just changing the BH to a lighter rubber to see if it may help reduce the weight ?

I use H3 Neo 39 degree hardness (china domestic version) for FH and Acuda S3 on BH on my RW5 & enjoying every stroke. Blade weight is 91g, total with rubbers = 182g.

virtuososiu
04-19-2012, 12:49 PM
You may want to try just changing the BH to a lighter rubber to see if it may help reduce the weight ?

I use H3 Neo 39 degree hardness (china domestic version) for FH and Acuda S3 on BH on my RW5 & enjoying every stroke. Blade weight is 91g, total with rubbers = 182g.

Hi, its good to see someone with a close set up :)
I also enjoy every much of my FH H3 strokes as well :D
last time i weighted my blade, its was 185G. with a Calibra LT spin on the back
While enjoying the quality of the stroks, it takes a little too much to play. Think its the hardness of the sponge that is cusing it.

Tadex
04-20-2012, 02:23 AM
Well, H3 isn't a very forgiving rubber either so when your strokes are off your shots are very off. I agree with a previous poster about thinking about changing your backhand to help with the balance. It doesn't necessarily mean making it lighter either because it's more a matter of balance than weight I think. I'm not very good with rubber weights though so I have nothing to share on thsi aspect however I find Donic Acuda S1 Turbo to be a fine BH rubber to complement the H3 style of FH play.

spin88
04-21-2012, 02:03 AM
Hi, its good to see someone with a close set up :)
I also enjoy every much of my FH H3 strokes as well :D
last time i weighted my blade, its was 185G. with a Calibra LT spin on the back
While enjoying the quality of the stroks, it takes a little too much to play. Think its the hardness of the sponge that is cusing it.

Similar experience, took me a while to find my preferred rubber hardness on RW5. I tried H3 on 40 degree and 39 degree, settled with the later. Also tried BH on Sriver EL, but didn't workout than S3.
I think RW5 has a hard surface but the core has more flex. So it is not linear. My guess it needs a somewhat softer rubber to compensate the hard blade surface so the ball can stay longer for control. But not too soft a rubber that the ball sink in too fast and hit the hard surface of the blade and bounce off too quick.
Noted this setup is not very forgiving, so it forces me to correct my stroke. Which is the primary reason I pick this blade with H3.

virtuososiu
04-21-2012, 04:00 AM
Similar experience, took me a while to find my preferred rubber hardness on RW5. I tried H3 on 40 degree and 39 degree, settled with the later. Also tried BH on Sriver EL, but didn't workout than S3.
I think RW5 has a hard surface but the core has more flex. So it is not linear. My guess it needs a somewhat softer rubber to compensate the hard blade surface so the ball can stay longer for control. But not too soft a rubber that the ball sink in too fast and hit the hard surface of the blade and bounce off too quick.
Noted this setup is not very forgiving, so it forces me to correct my stroke. Which is the primary reason I pick this blade with H3.
THanks, i also tried different hardness of H3. Oddly enough that, out of 38, 39, 40 degree. I felt the best when i was using a 40 with the topsheet slightly boosted.
Anyway, i also tried Sriver EL weeks ago. The ball just had no power! at all
Do you think S3 is a bit too soft, and the ball might bounce off too quick as u said? Cuz im considering if I should have S2 on FH, amd S3 on BH. Or, S3 both side, for the weight and best control :confused:

azlan
04-21-2012, 04:58 AM
Funny that you mentioned that Calibra breaks off at the edges buddy. I've been using it for quite some time now. But my problem is that the underneath pimples breaks, and the rubber starts to bubble and split. But then again, it happen to most of my FH rubbers, from my previous Boosts TP and Almana. But they hardly ever chipped at the edges.

For more control, you can try the spinny Calibra Sound. It's more supple than Calibra Spin. It's a great tensor rubber, that needs a lot of input from you. The RW5 is medium by modern standard, I think by sticking a fast rubber would help. My vote for your style and preference goes to Calibra Sound and T05. If it's me using RW5, I would go for Calibra LT (FH)and T05 for my BH any day:)

virtuososiu
04-21-2012, 05:50 AM
Funny that you mentioned that Calibra breaks off at the edges buddy. I've been using it for quite some time now. But my problem is that the underneath pimples breaks, and the rubber starts to bubble and split. But then again, it happen to most of my FH rubbers, from my previous Boosts TP and Almana. But they hardly ever chipped at the edges.

For more control, you can try the spinny Calibra Sound. It's more supple than Calibra Spin. It's a great tensor rubber, that needs a lot of input from you. The RW5 is medium by modern standard, I think by sticking a fast rubber would help. My vote for your style and preference goes to Calibra Sound and T05. If it's me using RW5, I would go for Calibra LT (FH)and T05 for my BH any day:)
Id believe calibra sound to be a very good rubber as well, as i played with LT (FH) and LT Spin (BH) before. It was really nice for looping, both FH and BH. However, the only thing that could be better, is the grip of the topsheet. Of cuz, im being really picky here, and with more grip, the topsheet will probably become much more heavier.
Calibra is the last option to me, not becuz its not good. But becuz i know it is the best i've tried so far, tho, i think i can find better :)
Plus, my local store happens to have Acuda but no Calibra at all. Order locally save some shipment $$. That's why i've been curious about S2 and S3:rolleyes:

UpSideDownCarl
04-21-2012, 06:49 AM
This is what I think you should try. First try boosting your H3. If that works then you don't need to change it. If that is not enough, you should try TG3 Neo (Skyline 3 Neo) and boost it. Skyline 3 Neo is very similar to H3. I think it is a little faster and a hair less spin. But they play very similarly. I also think it is a few grams lighter. So they play close but you might work less and get more from Skyline 3 Neo. But, if just reboosting the H3 gives you a little extra power and softens the rubber a tiny bit so you get more spin and more control that might be all you need.

If those options don't work for you, then go for trying one of the suggestions above that you seem to like like S2 or S3.

spin88
04-22-2012, 12:54 AM
THanks, i also tried different hardness of H3. Oddly enough that, out of 38, 39, 40 degree. I felt the best when i was using a 40 with the topsheet slightly boosted.
Anyway, i also tried Sriver EL weeks ago. The ball just had no power! at all
Do you think S3 is a bit too soft, and the ball might bounce off too quick as u said? Cuz im considering if I should have S2 on FH, amd S3 on BH. Or, S3 both side, for the weight and best control :confused:

You are right, I am kind of on the borderline with S3 right now. On BH it is about right for my still learning stroke. When I flip S3 side to FH compare to H3 it does not feel right. I might try S2 on BH sometime later too.

yogi_bear
04-22-2012, 06:14 AM
Adidas P5 is the answer

virtuososiu
04-22-2012, 08:24 AM
Adidas P5 is the answer
no offense.... but why should i trust a brand that has only been the feild for a few years..... comparing to Andro, Xiom, BTY, etc etc....
I ve seen many people on the forum using Adidas....but i just cant think of a reason to by them....
does Adidas even have thier own rubber ddevelopment line?? or they just buy some rubber off some factory.... maybe the formula that didnt make it to the market....

Scorpnox
04-26-2012, 02:47 PM
You can try Tibhar Grip - S or the Grip-s europe...
The europe soft will be too soft for yor BH i think.

yogi_bear
04-26-2012, 11:37 PM
Adidas P5 is the answer

virtuososiu
04-27-2012, 04:01 AM
Are u saying that p5 is that good? or u just forgot u replied already lol

Bollforte94
04-27-2012, 06:52 AM
Give the rubbers you tested a longer time. You have to adjust, some people need a month for that, but it will pay off!

Mr. RicharD
04-27-2012, 02:26 PM
no offense.... but why should i trust a brand that has only been the feild for a few years..... comparing to Andro, Xiom, BTY, etc etc....
I ve seen many people on the forum using Adidas....but i just cant think of a reason to by them....
does Adidas even have thier own rubber ddevelopment line?? or they just buy some rubber off some factory.... maybe the formula that didnt make it to the market....

Hi virtuososiu. Actually a renowned ESN company rubber developer bought the rights to use Adidas as his brand name. The Adidas rubbers are actually quite good. Much better quality control, lighter, still with the medium hard sponges similar to tenergy. While nothing technically will be like Tenergy there are plenty of rubbers that are very competitive with them. Adidas may or may not become the next big thing depending on marketing and also promotion from players and coaches, but to many professionals like Feng Tian Wei, Zoltan Fejer-Konnerth and in the U.S. plenty of other professionals agree that it is a huge improvement from the Tenergy series. The fact that it is lighter than Tenergy is huge and there are much more varieties to choose from to really cater to each player as opposed to players who choose Tenergy and are stuck with either a soft sponge or hard sponge, but varying topsheets.

I would suggest that you try the rubber out before making a judgment on it. There's a reason why many in the forums have switched to it and with Tenergy at $80.00 there's really nothing to compare to it for its price.

Try it out and let us know how you feel. I can recommend a specific rubber if you're looking for something to be comparable to a rubber of your choice, but otherwise tenzone SF and P5 are my favorites. I've yet to try all of them however I have hit with P5, Tenzone SF and R6.

UpSideDownCarl
04-27-2012, 02:39 PM
Hi virtuososiu. Actually a renowned ESN company rubber developer bought the rights to use Adidas as his brand name. The Adidas rubbers are actually quite good. Much better quality control, lighter, still with the medium hard sponges similar to tenergy. While nothing technically will be like Tenergy there are plenty of rubbers that are very competitive with them. Adidas may or may not become the next big thing depending on marketing and also promotion from players and coaches, but to many professionals like Feng Tian Wei, Zoltan Fejer-Konnerth and in the U.S. plenty of other professionals agree that it is a huge improvement from the Tenergy series. The fact that it is lighter than Tenergy is huge and there are much more varieties to choose from to really cater to each player as opposed to players who choose Tenergy and are stuck with either a soft sponge or hard sponge, but varying topsheets.

I would suggest that you try the rubber out before making a judgment on it. There's a reason why many in the forums have switched to it and with Tenergy at $80.00 there's really nothing to compare to it for its price.

Try it out and let us know how you feel. I can recommend a specific rubber if you're looking for something to be comparable to a rubber of your choice, but otherwise tenzone SF and P5 are my favorites. I've yet to try all of them however I have hit with P5, Tenzone SF and R6.

Nice post Mr. RicharD. Yeah, my understanding was that a lot of research went into these products that Adidas is putting out. I have not tried them, but they might be really good. All reports I have heard about them are more than just positive.

yogi_bear
04-29-2012, 09:42 AM
i have tried ALL of adidas rubbers even the ones that are not yet in the market and when i review them as good they are really good basing on people's reaction when they have used it not on my word alone. I was suggesting P5 because its not as heavy as your h3 or the acuda series rubbers. having used the acuda series rubbers s1 turbo, s1, s2, s3 extensively and with comparison to the adidas rubbers i have used, the adidas rubbers (high end ones) are a notch higher. also you would find the spin of the P5 very surprising and you can use chinese strokes on it if you brush a lot. and yes for 39 dollars in some sites its not a very expensive rubber.

yogi_bear
04-29-2012, 09:44 AM
and speaking of durability, adidas rubbers are very durable. one test conducted was that both the upcoming P7 and previously released Tenzone was pitted against the Tenergy 05 used by high level chinese players. The T05 last 3 weeks tops, both the P7 and Tenzone lasted 1 month and 5 days

virtuososiu
04-30-2012, 02:06 PM
thanks for all the ideas :D
tonight, the first day of my winter season competition, i used the Acuda S2 and S3. Was worrying if it was too risky to play with new rubbers for the 1st night of my season. But the rubbers are surprising good! maybe i expected too little :P Anyway, for my FH, S2, not too much adjustment was needed. I was able to perform well. The S3 however, was a little slow, just a little. May try adidas in the furture :rolleyes: