Tenergy 05 but less bouncy

howmanyru · Oct 20, 2022

Looking for advice on a rubber with similar spin characteristics to Tenergy05, but with bit more control.
I am using a Butterfly Viscaria blade and like loop fast on both sides.
However being a bit slow around the court (55 Y/O), I often need to chop or push for a while until the right ball is there for attack.
I find balls often go long during the slow game as it's just too "bouncy"
Is there any rubber which retains the lovely looping qualities but can also work in the slow game???
Or is it impossible to have the best of both worlds.
I don't have the arm speed / strength to use Chinese rubbers.

Cheers.

Wrighty67 · Oct 20, 2022

Maybe worth looking at Rasanter C48 or even Dignics 80 or 05

Manto76 · Oct 20, 2022

Victas V>15 Extra
Nittaku Fastarc G1
Both are excellent rubbers with tons of spin, easier to control than T05, and better priced!
G1 is a bit more linear and a bit easier to control, V>15 Extra has a little more 'bang' at the top end.
G1 is, arguably, the most durable medium-hard (ie. 47.5 degree) rubber on the market.

howmanyru · Oct 20, 2022

I have heard G1 is a popular rubber.
I need to replace my backhand rubber by next week, so I might take a punt and try this one.
Have you tried the G1? And if so, with what blade?

howmanyru · Oct 20, 2022

Wrighty67 said:
Maybe worth looking at Rasanter C48 or even Dignics 80 or 05

Thanks, I'll have a look at some reviews on these.

Lazer · Oct 20, 2022

I just switched to Tenergy 05 FX. I can say that none of the rubbers I have tested are even close to Tenergy 05 includig Fastarc G1, Rakza 7 & X, Tibhar evolution all of them except the XXX-D ones. I don't find Tenergy 05 FX any more difficult to control the increase dspin sensitivity is an advantage, you can more easily "take over" the incoming spin. So, the bottom line is I don't think You will find a replacement that is good enough....

Cheers
L-zr

Manto76 · Oct 20, 2022

howmanyru said:
I have heard G1 is a popular rubber.
I need to replace my backhand rubber by next week, so I might take a punt and try this one.
Have you tried the G1? And if so, with what blade?

I've used G1 on a number of blades (all wood, inner carbon, outer carbon) and I like it on all of them. Personally, I prefer V>15 Extra to G1 as a BH rubber, but that is just a personal preference and I know many folks use G1 happily on the BH. It's not the most sold rubber in Japan for no reason!

Shifu · Oct 20, 2022

Maybe just use a thinner sponge

Lazer · Oct 20, 2022

Shifu said:
Maybe just use a thinner sponge

Yes, but then You will lose some spin capability too.

Cheers
L-zr

Airoc · Oct 20, 2022

Manto76 said:
It's not the most sold rubber in Japan for no reason!

Is it really?
I know these world-tt charts which are compiled by a survey among some retailers, but there you´ll hardly find anything from a European brand - it´s all Nittaku, Yasaka, Butterfly and Victas, also XIOM and the odd Chinese product.
andro are quite popular in Japan, but I have scrolled through these lists going back as far as January 2020 and found Rasanter R48 once in the top ten, with no DONIC or TIBHAR rubber - is that really plausible?

ander999 · Oct 20, 2022

Xiom Omega 7 Pro. Slightly less spin but has the same looping feeling and much more control.

Zwill · Oct 20, 2022

Airoc said:
Is it really?
I know these world-tt charts which are compiled by a survey among some retailers, but there you´ll hardly find anything from a European brand - it´s all Nittaku, Yasaka, Butterfly and Victas, also XIOM and the odd Chinese product.
andro are quite popular in Japan, but I have scrolled through these lists going back as far as January 2020 and found Rasanter R48 once in the top ten, with no DONIC or TIBHAR rubber - is that really plausible?

Your post throws me off. Manto76 says G-1 is the most popular rubber in Japan; and you are on the same page but in a way that it sounds you are disagreeing 😅

Airoc · Oct 20, 2022

Zwill said:
Your post throws me off. Manto76 says G-1 is the most popular rubber in Japan; and you are on the same page but in a way that it sounds you are disagreeing 😅

Not disagreeing, just questioning.

You can´t argue with the fact that G1 is on the top of those world-tt lists month for month, sometimes 2nd to Rozena.

But is a list compiled by a magazine from surveys at a selected number of retailers really representative or anywhere near an official statistic, that´s my question.

If really none of the European brands can get a foot in the top ten with any of their most current products over more than two years (bar that one time listing for R48) the Japanese buyers (in those shops at least) must be extremely tending towards their "own" brands, and for some matter XIOM.

Seems a little strange to me.

ricospin · Oct 20, 2022

howmanyru said:
I have heard G1 is a popular rubber.
I need to replace my backhand rubber by next week, so I might take a punt and try this one.
Have you tried the G1? And if so, with what blade?

I really loved G1! Easy to use- and more importantly less bouncy than tenergy. It doesn't have the same catapult feeling because it's more tame.

Zwill · Oct 20, 2022

Airoc said:
Not disagreeing, just questioning.

You can´t argue with the fact that G1 is on the top of those world-tt lists month for month, sometimes 2nd to Rozena.

But is a list compiled by a magazine from surveys at a selected number of retailers really representative or anywhere near an official statistic, that´s my question.

If really none of the European brands can get a foot in the top ten with any of their most current products over more than two years (bar that one time listing for R48) the Japanese buyers (in those shops at least) must be extremely tending towards their "own" brands, and for some matter XIOM.

Seems a little strange to me.

Okay, I get your point now. Not that strange tho. I suppose there are a lot of 40-50-60-70 year old players in Japan (buying similar volume of product as 10-20-30 year olds) and to them Andro, Gewo, Joola, Tibhar must mean absolutely nothing, while Nittaku, Butterfly, Yasaka and TSP/Victas were table tennis pioneers for 60 years or maybe more. To be honest Fastarc, Rakza, Victas stuff is darn well priced in Europe too to a point that these are almost the cheapest ESN gear in the high performance category. I'm not sure about the pricing in Japan but I would not be shocked if the Japanese brands were cheaper there than let's say Andro or Tibhar. There must be some patriotism as well in the people which is commendable.

Airoc · Oct 20, 2022

Zwill said:
There must be some patriotism as well in the people

In that case the brand seems to matter more than the origin of the product itself (most recent ranking 6 out of 10 German, only 4 "home-made"). ;-)

I would still have expected at least some of the newest products to pop up, if only in the month of their release (Evolution MX-D is reportedly making waves as is Rasanter C48/53).

But your analysis might be accurate.

Zeen · Oct 22, 2022

Donic barracuda is what OP is looking for.

Kush · Oct 24, 2022

Fastarc G1 is a great option, so is TIBHAR Evolution EL-S. They both have similar spin, half the price and arent quite as bouncy.

jk1980 · Oct 27, 2022

The EL-S is quite bouncy, but the new EL-D is alleged to be less bouncy

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merlin el mago · Oct 27, 2022

Fastarc G1 also have long durability, I bought yesterday the new Hammond Z2 waiting the same or more durability, 1st rubber ESN & 2nd rubber made in Japan.

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