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Spitfire
12-09-2012, 09:18 PM
Hi All :)

I've been reading and the ITTF Recommend you air your rubbers for 72 hrs before gluing them onto the Blade :),

Whos does this ?

When you air them - do you just take the rubber out of the plastic Sheet and the card insert and expose the sponge to air?

T!Christian
12-09-2012, 09:56 PM
Well, i've learned that in the first 3 days of the freshly opened rubber it will slightly change. So what they say is true. :)
BUT i usually don't wait 3 days only to air the rubber. I glue it imediately and let the whole bat with rubbers stay 3 days in my bag or so.

My advise is to not play with a bat that just got fresh rubbers on it, not because it's harming for the bat/rubber but only bcs the rubber will slightly change and you will feel it and maybe feel unconfortable!

iNERDxi
12-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Y? Do u do this

T!Christian
12-09-2012, 11:09 PM
The rubber will change its characteristics in the first 3 days after opening the package.
If you play these 3 days, you get used to the rubber BUT since it will change you suddenly feel like something is wrong and you have to get used to it again ;)

derekho
12-09-2012, 11:56 PM
Regluing the rubber makes the rubber bouncier. But I personally don't reglue my rubbers.

XIII
12-10-2012, 05:38 AM
The rubber will change its characteristics in the first 3 days after opening the package.
If you play these 3 days, you get used to the rubber BUT since it will change you suddenly feel like something is wrong and you have to get used to it again ;)
OH NO, is that why I got like a mini dent in my Tenergy 05, I played with it right away after I glued it.

ttunreal
12-10-2012, 10:02 AM
The rubber will change its characteristics in the first 3 days after opening the package.
If you play these 3 days, you get used to the rubber BUT since it will change you suddenly feel like something is wrong and you have to get used to it again

Ahhh, that's why I lost all my feel after the first few days; had to change my style a bit to suit the rubber D:

Spitfire
12-10-2012, 10:07 AM
Well, i've learned that in the first 3 days of the freshly opened rubber it will slightly change. So what they say is true. :)
BUT i usually don't wait 3 days only to air the rubber. I glue it imediately and let the whole bat with rubbers stay 3 days in my bag or so.

My advise is to not play with a bat that just got fresh rubbers on it, not because it's harming for the bat/rubber but only bcs the rubber will slightly change and you will feel it and maybe feel unconfortable!

The ITTF recommend that you air your rubbers for 72 hrs before gluing because some Manufacturers still use VOC Glue in the manufacturing process.

If you were to test your racket without Airing it - There could be a chance of High VOC Content in the Rubber

ttunreal
12-10-2012, 10:10 AM
The ITTF recommend that you air your rubbers for 72 hrs before gluing because some Manufacturers still use VOC Glue in the manufacturing process.

If you were to test your racket without Airing it - There could be a chance of High VOC Content in the Rubber

Good to follow those precautions, but meh, I don't think he'll even be entering a high level TT competition, so I doubt there would be testing anyway.

T!Christian
12-10-2012, 11:37 AM
Good to follow those precautions, but meh, I don't think he'll even be entering a high level TT competition, so I doubt there would be testing anyway.

i'll agree with you on this matter! :)

XIII
12-11-2012, 04:43 AM
The ITTF recommend that you air your rubbers for 72 hrs before gluing because some Manufacturers still use VOC Glue in the manufacturing process.

If you were to test your racket without Airing it - There could be a chance of High VOC Content in the Rubber
Didn't they use speed glue 30 minutes before a match? Back in the day.

T!Christian
12-11-2012, 09:40 AM
Didn't they use speed glue 30 minutes before a match? Back in the day.

Yes, but maybe the rubbers were already out of their packages beforehand? :)

XIII
12-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Yes, but maybe the rubbers were already out of their packages beforehand? :)
Oh wait...oh I was so confused all this time, you meant by airing your rubber by leaving it out of the packaging for 72 hrs right?

Vega
12-11-2012, 09:51 AM
Didn't they use speed glue 30 minutes before a match? Back in the day.

Back in the days when VOC-speedglue was allowed yes :) But since it's forbidden and they test it you can still glue with it but have to air the bat for some time to be sure to pass the test. Same goes for new rubbers as oned above, they have a certain amount of VOC inside from the production.
For most of the people here it doesn't matter because they won't get tested anyway. But when they introduced the tests with the old ENEZ-Box here in Germany there were some big discussions. Problem is, that even if you didn't glue your racket before the test but stored it in your case in which you stored the bat all the years before while speedglueing it could set some VOC free and make you fail the test. Or some edgetapes had VOC inside and were a danger to pass the test :)

Me myself got only tested one time and passed :)

T!Christian
12-11-2012, 09:58 AM
Oh wait...oh I was so confused all this time, you meant by airing your rubber by leaving it out of the packaging for 72 hrs right?

i think so! ^^

Der_Echte
12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
Do I air my Rubberz out like a good little boy in accordance with ITTF command directed procedures 100% of the time???

Sure I do!!! Just like every Amature tourney follows ITTF Tech specs on court size (never 1/3 the proper size), barrier separation, (never happens between tables), lighting, (never right), wind, (always there), no disturbances (Korean toruneys average a disturbance every 1.5 - 5 seconds and you simply must play on), proper flooring (Geflor is a foreign word to an Amature tourney director), the proper serve (Everyone who wants to gain an edge with illegal hidden serve has a green light, who will you complain to?) or certified umpire and referee at each table and venue. (You have your fellow competitors as scorekeeprs.

XIII
12-11-2012, 10:12 AM
Do I air my Rubberz out like a good little boy in accordance with ITTF command directed procedures 100% of the time???

Sure I do!!! Just like every Amature tourney follows ITTF Tech specs on court size (never 1/3 the proper size), barrier separation, (never happens between tables), lighting, (never right), wind, (always there), no disturbances (Korean toruneys average a disturbance every 1.5 - 5 seconds and you simply must play on), proper flooring (Geflor is a foreign word to an Amature tourney director), the proper serve (Everyone who wants to gain an edge with illegal hidden serve has a green light, who will you complain to?) or certified umpire and referee at each table and venue. (You have your fellow competitors as scorekeeprs.
LOL, I don't follow all of those...
At school, we play on hollow (as in wood and nothing under the wood) carpet with 4 tables squished up, also no where to move around cause there are people watching behind you. Sometimes it gets humid and we put on the fan (wind :D). LOL

Giangt
12-11-2012, 10:13 AM
Hi All :)

I've been reading and the ITTF Recommend you air your rubbers for 72 hrs before gluing them onto the Blade :),

Whos does this ?

When you air them - do you just take the rubber out of the plastic Sheet and the card insert and expose the sponge to air?

I don't air my rubbers b4 gluing them on my blade. Rubbers usually have a break in period (1-2 weeks) b4 they have a stable characteristic.

As it has been said earlier some manufactures factory tune their rubbers. If your racket should be tested for VOC-gases it has to satisfy the ittf requirements in a test of 20 seconds and not exceed 4.0 ppm which is the limit. Due to factory tuning ittf recommends 72 hours of airing the rubbers.

Der_Echte
12-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Do I air my Rubberz out like a good little boy in accordance with ITTF command directed procedures 100% of the time???

Sure I do!!! Just like every Amature tourney follows ITTF Tech specs on court size (never 1/3 the proper size), barrier separation, (never happens between tables), lighting, (never right), wind, (always there), no disturbances (Korean toruneys average a disturbance every 1.5 - 5 seconds and you simply must play on), proper flooring (Geflor is a foreign word to an Amature tourney director), the proper serve (Everyone who wants to gain an edge with illegal hidden serve has a green light, who will you complain to?) or certified umpire and referee at each table and venue. (You have your fellow competitors as scorekeeprs.

So... who is the good little boy or two in this forum who properly airs out hiz rubberz and drinks hot chocolate at night before tucking in teddy bear for sleeptime?

What a mess. Of course the manufacturing process uses VOCs and of course trying to measure that fresh out of the package is going to have some residual. Of course the rubber emits VOC fresh from package much like radioactive isotope soap.

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Tom
12-11-2012, 02:51 PM
There is no need to do this to be honest. some companies use VOC's in the making of rubbers but after a day or two on the blade this will be dispersed anyway.

Spitfire
12-11-2012, 06:53 PM
Yes however if you just glue it onto the Blade and put it straight back into your bat case the VOC Can't escape , meaning the VOC Could build up in the case?

I will probably start doing the following :

1 - Air the rubbers for a minimum of 72 hrs
2 - When Its stuck on - Leave the Blade in the open for a minimum of 72 hrs to allow the Water based Glue (Which has a small amount of VOC?) to Escape - Then Apply Edging Tape

T!Christian
12-12-2012, 09:42 AM
Yes however if you just glue it onto the Blade and put it straight back into your bat case the VOC Can't escape , meaning the VOC Could build up in the case?

I will probably start doing the following :

1 - Air the rubbers for a minimum of 72 hrs
2 - When Its stuck on - Leave the Blade in the open for a minimum of 72 hrs to allow the Water based Glue (Which has a small amount of VOC?) to Escape - Then Apply Edging Tape

A good idea! Just do it, and let us know how it went :)

XIII
12-12-2012, 09:48 AM
What's so bad about VOC, can anyone tell me?

Der_Echte
12-12-2012, 10:30 AM
Go sniff a lot of them and come back to tell meez...

:)

T!Christian
12-12-2012, 10:36 AM
Well XIII, i wouldnt do it :D ^^

XIII
12-12-2012, 11:50 PM
Go sniff a lot of them and come back to tell meez...

:)

I use Haifu water-based glue, it still smells after I glued it.

Der_Echte
12-13-2012, 10:34 AM
I mean the old VOC laden speed glues from yesteryear.

Sniff thoze onz and see if your nose resembles that of a cocaine addict. :)

ttunreal
12-13-2012, 10:57 AM
My local TT retailer actually glued my rubbers on my blade for me straight away from the packet without letting it air, and it turned out fine; feeling wise, after a few days, I did get the change of feeling of the sponge but quickly adjusted to it. Apart from that it was all fine really.

And the glue he used to put on my rubber smelt like... preserved fish; probably old speed glue, but he put one thin layer for me, LOL.

T!Christian
12-13-2012, 12:54 PM
My local TT retailer actually glued my rubbers on my blade for me straight away from the packet without letting it air, and it turned out fine; feeling wise, after a few days, I did get the change of feeling of the sponge but quickly adjusted to it. Apart from that it was all fine really.

And the glue he used to put on my rubber smelt like... preserved fish; probably old speed glue, but he put one thin layer for me, LOL.

The smell of a fish is really common, it comes when from the rubbers :D

Der_Echte
12-14-2012, 10:53 AM
Imagine the tourney official saying : "Hmmmm. Something smells fishy here..."

T!Christian
12-14-2012, 02:41 PM
Imagine the tourney official saying : "Hmmmm. Something smells fishy here..."

That would be hilarious! :D

Der_Echte
12-14-2012, 11:26 PM
This is an American expression for suspecting something suspicious.

I do not know if one can express it exactly the same way in German.

"Hmmm, Etwas hier stinkt wie Fisch..." doesn't seem to have the same ring as it does in English.

I am sure there is a way (or several ways) German speaking people express the same sentiment, I just haven't learned it yet.

T!Christian
12-16-2012, 12:19 AM
Well you could just say: " Hier stinkt es aber gewaltig" oder "Etwas stinkt" Both mean the same as "It smells fishy"

Der_Echte
12-16-2012, 03:33 AM
gewaltig.

Hmmm, cool to see how it is actually done. Thanks dude. This is how a foreigner learns things in an effecrtive manner. One can try to look up words in a dictionary, but will surely fail when trying to apply them in real use the same way as the native. An effective way is to try... and FAIL, then ask a native why I failed, then ask for a demonstration of 1-3 effective ways to say what I was trying to say.

This method is not exactly a speed method, but you learn to become solid in what you learn after failing... a lot. This is only for those with a lot of determination. It is still in my opinion, a much more effective way thatn trying to learn backwards, spending ones life doing it wrong, then trying to fix it in a rush later.

ttunreal
12-16-2012, 07:08 AM
Imagine the tourney official saying : "Hmmmm. Something smells fishy here..."

Now imagine if the tourney official was a 'lady', IF you know what I mean.
;P

T!Christian
12-17-2012, 12:02 AM
gewaltig.

Hmmm, cool to see how it is actually done. Thanks dude. This is how a foreigner learns things in an effecrtive manner. One can try to look up words in a dictionary, but will surely fail when trying to apply them in real use the same way as the native. An effective way is to try... and FAIL, then ask a native why I failed, then ask for a demonstration of 1-3 effective ways to say what I was trying to say.

This method is not exactly a speed method, but you learn to become solid in what you learn after failing... a lot. This is only for those with a lot of determination. It is still in my opinion, a much more effective way thatn trying to learn backwards, spending ones life doing it wrong, then trying to fix it in a rush later.

Yes i know this problem, my girlfriend for example studies in Romania german, and her teacher often tells her stuff that is just false. Like Juny or July (although it is Juni and Juli)
Although you can't ask everything a native, since you have to have the basics first!

YosuaYosan
12-17-2012, 02:13 AM
Both grippy and tacky rubber I think I do..

The characteristic does change quite to a degree..

TTFrenzy
12-17-2012, 10:52 PM
so whats the right procedure to do ? open the package of the rubber and let it air for 72 hrs ? too many info in this topic and i got confused

T!Christian
12-17-2012, 11:26 PM
The opinions differ but i dont think many people will wait 72 hours.
I open the packages, prepare the bat and rubbers, glue the rubbers and then let it stay some hours.

It's also necessary to say that "low-class" players won't feel a big difference so it doesnt matter :)

My advice:
Get the rubbers out of the package, glue them on the bat, wait for a day or two and you are ready to play :)

TTFrenzy
12-18-2012, 01:45 AM
The opinions differ but i dont think many people will wait 72 hours.
I open the packages, prepare the bat and rubbers, glue the rubbers and then let it stay some hours.

It's also necessary to say that "low-class" players won't feel a big difference so it doesnt matter :)

My advice:
Get the rubbers out of the package, glue them on the bat, wait for a day or two and you are ready to play :)

Thank you very much my friend but these procedure doesnt "air" the rubbers you just dont play with them in their first two days . To be honest i dont quite understand how a rubber is changing characteristics after 72 hours out of the package and

T!Christian
12-18-2012, 12:01 PM
Thank you very much my friend but these procedure doesnt "air" the rubbers you just dont play with them in their first two days . To be honest i dont quite understand how a rubber is changing characteristics after 72 hours out of the package and

You're welcome! But airing the rubbers mean that you let them be unplayed somewhere, you can just let them on your bat (unglued) for 2 days or somewhere else, it doesnt matter :)
It will slightly change its characterisitics because of the manufaction of the rubbers which include some chemistry and stuff but that isnt that important!

YosuaYosan
12-22-2012, 04:04 AM
Do airing a rubber (chinese rubbers) have the effect of "breaking in" the sponge?
Or is it just to tame the ultra-sticky topsheet?

JustAlt
12-22-2012, 09:07 AM
Do airing a rubber (chinese rubbers) have the effect of "breaking in" the sponge?
Or is it just to tame the ultra-sticky topsheet?


I think airing the rubbers is just for pros that get their equipment tested for vocs before a tournament.
Braking in a Chinese rubber is done by using it.

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