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Maxi123
10-17-2010, 04:02 PM
In my country, if we are winning a set 10-0, we are used to -generally- miss the last point so to not beat the opponent 11-0, but 11-1... Is this common in the table tennis world? You people do that or you just win 11-0?
I've been wondering this for a long time, and now that i saw that matsudaira won a set 11-0 to Chuang Chih-Yuan before losing the match i needed to ask!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKgSXj1HIU&feature=feedu

Dan
10-17-2010, 04:12 PM
In my country, if we are winning a set 10-0, we are used to -generally- miss the last point so to not beat the opponent 11-0, but 11-1... Is this common in the table tennis world? You people do that or you just win 11-0?
I've been wondering this for a long time, and now that i saw that matsudaira won a set 11-0 to Chuang Chih-Yuan before losing the match i needed to ask!

Good question.. its not a rule... but some people like to give the person the person a point for respect... however some people are ruthless and never give away a point... i remember Alan Cooke England former number 1 never gave any points away even at 10-0 up...

damo
10-17-2010, 06:06 PM
when i winning 10-0 i ussually give one point...

Dan
10-17-2010, 06:08 PM
Good lad Damo.

Watch kenta in the second set ha :P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3MZikrzh4Q

damo
10-17-2010, 06:25 PM
he is not polite haahha im just kidding...

Dan
10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
he is not polite haahha im just kidding...

sure haha :L

char987
10-17-2010, 06:30 PM
i been 9-0 up but i go easy then and wait for their mistakes

TrueTears
10-17-2010, 07:03 PM
haha when I'm up 10-0 I often slack off and loss a few points :D

Bollforte94
10-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Usually I gave away a point because of respect ..... but when the oppenent is very rude, I want to win 11-0 and enjoying the oppenents face after that
sorry for my english :D it's late ;)

lgreggs
10-17-2010, 11:01 PM
If I usually give the player a chance to win the point themselves. So I go slightly easier on the player for the last few points :D

Dan
10-17-2010, 11:09 PM
If I usually give the player a chance to win the point themselves. So I go slightly easier on the player for the last few points :D

hehe, you start lobbing and stuff, i know you to well greggs!

lgreggs
10-17-2010, 11:20 PM
table tennis is too much fun not to get a couple extra points out of game haha :P

ttFaka
10-17-2010, 11:29 PM
I really like to let someone 11-0 but the maximum that could is 11-1 at number 5 of chile (Peneca) and I really like to move a lot and have fun instead of leaving zero

jmech!
10-18-2010, 03:33 AM
I think it's rude to purposely miss the ball but let them try and win the point if a ball comes long just push it back or something but you still have to try just keep the ball on the table don't attack it i have been down 10-0 and the opponent purposely missed the ball it made me feel like im so bad that he doesn't even have to try.

char987
10-18-2010, 12:02 PM
I think it's rude to purposely miss the ball but let them try and win the point if a ball comes long just push it back or something but you still have to try just keep the ball on the table don't attack it i have been down 10-0 and the opponent purposely missed the ball it made me feel like im so bad that he doesn't even have to try.

i lost 11-0 plenty of times and this is what i hate i also hate people lobbing becasue they know they can beat you easy

lgreggs
10-19-2010, 08:39 PM
i lost 11-0 plenty of times and this is what i hate i also hate people lobbing becasue they know they can beat you easy

If I was losing 10-0 to a really good player and they were lobbing against me I would definatly be glad of having a chance to win the point. In my opinion if the player is far better than you then having a rally where they are lobbing can only increase the fun of the game. Of course this is just my opinion you mat feel differntly.

Offensive
10-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Sin miedo, sin piedad.
No fear, no mercy.

char987
10-20-2010, 12:33 AM
personally i dont enjoy lobbing in games unless you are forced to, not just to be nice same as watching pros i hate watching lobbing

lgreggs
10-20-2010, 07:31 PM
I enjoy lobbing :P

GrumpyJoe
10-20-2010, 08:55 PM
I beat a guy in a tourney 11-0 one time. Never again. Didnt like it. I will usually serve into the net if I get close.

Phil
10-20-2010, 11:15 PM
I was 10-0 down against Micheal Marsden (highish ranked UK player) at a GP then I hit one of the best back hands I've ever played straight down the line off his serve, he didn't even move. He was not impressed........

char987
10-21-2010, 12:05 AM
I was 10-0 down against Micheal Marsden (highish ranked UK player) at a GP then I hit one of the best back hands I've ever played straight down the line off his serve, he didn't even move. He was not impressed........

haha he must of been annoyed

peter
10-25-2010, 11:59 PM
I'd give 2 pts at least if I know the end outcome. 11-0 is just bloody cruel

Baal
11-01-2010, 01:35 PM
I try to lose a point and not make it obvious I am doing it on purpose.

Trance
11-06-2010, 05:08 PM
If i were winning 10-0 i would give him high balls and entertain myself by receiving smashes

gauravvraj
11-06-2010, 07:05 PM
nice thread

Allan2103
11-06-2010, 07:07 PM
When I'm winning 10-0 I try to let the opponent win the point by himself, that means that I dont use my best strokes and sometimes lob, because I think it's fun.

saif
11-06-2010, 07:41 PM
No rule but considered as taboo among players. I also don't like to crush someone that badly. You need to be careful for your opponent's dignity.

MildSeven
11-07-2010, 04:24 AM
No I don't give a point. I try to win it like any other and if it ends 11-0 I don't make a deal out of it and we continue playing. If it is friendly playing I don't usually let it get to 10-0 in the first place. If its just friendly play and you end up 10-0, that is probably a good sign to back off a bit.

edit - And with regards to dignity I wouldn't feel disrespected at all if I lost 11-0, which happens occasionally anyway, especially if you are playing against people way better. If fact I feel better the worse I lose against someone way better (capable of 11-0 in the first place) because then I know they are giving me a serious game which is all I want from playing someone out of my league. If they tone it down, even for one point it kind of defeats the purpose, especially since these kinds of games are a rare find for me I want to savor every point.

Ferdy
11-10-2010, 05:48 PM
I would never give a point away ever. I have had a tournament match where I was ahead 10-0 and my opponent scored 11 straight points to win. I am all for good sportmanship but it ain't over till it's over. Perhaps at the world level that would be appropriate since the skill level and knowledge of the opponent is far greater than mine.

pingpongmannen
11-10-2010, 11:26 PM
Haha, I've never thought of that actually. But good point! :) When I've played tournaments I've met some people and won 10 - 0 in a set. But when i got that lead by 10 - 0 i usually kill the ball down the opponent's side :)
I actually feel a little bad now after reading this thread. You should at least give your opponent one point! :)

jkc
11-10-2010, 11:37 PM
It depends on who my opponent is.

jyechen
11-11-2010, 09:20 PM
Samsonov misses a serve for Kim Taek Soo in this match at 10-0 up... and the best part? Kim CHOOOS afterwards. They then proceed to play an exhibition point in the middle of the match.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGb0-KTy3k

I feel kind of bad for Vladi after winning 11-1 and playing an exhibition point, then losing the match.

Atomichaos
11-12-2010, 08:02 AM
Usually I gave away a point because of respect ..... but when the oppenent is very rude, I want to win 11-0 and enjoying the oppenents face after that
sorry for my english :D it's late ;)

i totally agree. xD

riceman
11-12-2010, 10:35 PM
In my country it would probably be okay to beat someone 11-0. Just don't yell CHO!! or be obnoxious especially when you have a lead like that.

Dan
11-13-2010, 04:41 AM
Samsonov misses a serve for Kim Taek Soo in this match at 10-0 up... and the best part? Kim CHOOOS afterwards. They then proceed to play an exhibition point in the middle of the match.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGb0-KTy3k

I feel kind of bad for Vladi after winning 11-1 and playing an exhibition point, then losing the match.

The shot at 3.30 is incredible!!

iscepanovic
11-13-2010, 11:55 AM
11-0, I don't have that kind a "problem". I never have 10-0 in the match :-))))

billalphonso79!
11-13-2010, 12:49 PM
no mercy for the opponent!11-0 :D

jyechen
11-14-2010, 04:05 AM
The shot at 3.30 is incredible!!

Yes, that blew my mind. I always considered those shots unreturnable. XD

peter
11-14-2010, 05:23 AM
No I don't give a point. I try to win it like any other and if it ends 11-0 I don't make a deal out of it and we continue playing. If it is friendly playing I don't usually let it get to 10-0 in the first place. If its just friendly play and you end up 10-0, that is probably a good sign to back off a bit.

edit - And with regards to dignity I wouldn't feel disrespected at all if I lost 11-0, which happens occasionally anyway, especially if you are playing against people way better. If fact I feel better the worse I lose against someone way better (capable of 11-0 in the first place) because then I know they are giving me a serious game which is all I want from playing someone out of my league. If they tone it down, even for one point it kind of defeats the purpose, especially since these kinds of games are a rare find for me I want to savor every point.

I feel bad either way, full pwnage or lose. My mental coach said I have no killer instinct strong enough to make a statement..
With this new paddle I put together today, both tacky and fast, I got a pretty good run against some old friends at the club
Won 3-1 against a guy just beat me last week 3-0. I suppose to feel accomplishment or some emotion, but I just feel bad for him with my change of style
and speed and loops. What do I do ? this is one way street, there's no draw or stalemate only win and lose, and I don't like it

pingpongmannen
11-17-2010, 05:17 PM
Nice thread indeed!

josskuusk
11-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Usually when I am 10-0 front, I win 11-0 or I give lots of points (about 4-7) . It depends on my opponent.

tabletennismadness
11-18-2010, 03:00 AM
its gotta depend on the person :)

if there a friend of a respectable person i never beat them 11-0

but if there somebody whos got an attitude then im comfortable beating them 11-0 :)

Dan
11-18-2010, 03:22 AM
its gotta depend on the person :)

if there a friend of a respectable person i never beat them 11-0

but if there somebody whos got an attitude then im comfortable beating them 11-0 :)

Haha ruthless Will :P

RebTT
11-20-2010, 06:54 AM
Really does depend on who it is to. A genuinely weaker opponent, give em a point in a subtle way. If its to someone you know can beat you but you have simply out played them this game, or someone obnoxious, scrap em 11-0!!

thekim
11-20-2010, 06:47 PM
Well if you're winning 10-0 I think it's respectable to give them a point or at least a fun exhibition point. I saw a game with Vladimir vs Kim Taek Soo and he gave kim a point winning 10-0

peter
11-21-2010, 06:27 AM
I was just discussing this issue with some tournament folks, one said instead of thinking in pwnage terms, why not give the weak player handicap points where level see fits ? Say if player A has 80% confidence level of winning, Player B starts with 8 points. That will results: 1) Stronger player will be forced to play in their level. 2) Weak player gets fair treatment and better chance to learn. 3) mental preparation for both players. The list could go on and on. And I agree with this totally, if skill offset is that much, whats the point on KO with 11-0 ?

Off topic: best of 5. If you have a sure 3-0, would you do it ? Or let one go by ?

peter
11-21-2010, 07:05 AM
Never mind that question. Due to point spread between Players, it is best to go for 3-0 in order to gain max points, both in Expected and Upset points.

Full Power ahead !

STL2000
11-21-2010, 07:19 AM
Very good match! But should this guy be a little bit more generous to his opponent?

AllezCho
11-22-2010, 03:22 AM
Usually I gave away a point because of respect ..... but when the oppenent is very rude, I want to win 11-0 and enjoying the oppenents face after that
sorry for my english :D it's late ;)

+1 I agree :D

I recall a 2004 Timo Boll vs. Ma Lin match, where Ma Lin dominated Timo to the point of leading 10-0. It was obvious that Ma Lin tried to miss his serve, but it happened to accidentally clip the edge. Ma thought he lost the point (which was what he intended) and looked geniunely surprised when Timo, being a good sportsman, pointed out that it hit the edge. Timo took the 11-0 skunk like a true man LOL

Even Ma Lin, one of the world's most ruthless players, feels pity for his opponents :D That just shows that in the pro stage, it's unofficial etiquette to give the opponent a point when leading 9-0 or 10-0. The gesture is just one that shows some respect (although I know a few people who might be offended if you "give" them the point).

madamada
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
whenever i get to 9-0 i lose the point lol

poltery
12-01-2010, 11:48 AM
uhm i feel guilty when i do that .when i'm at 10-0 i lose about 2 points and look into my rubber disappointingly

louisc
12-03-2010, 07:16 AM
Depends on the opponent actually....

Atomichaos
12-03-2010, 07:32 AM
well if ur confident with it, u shud just finish them off cos sometimes once u lose the momentum even if it is really unlikely, you cud end up losing or being put under more pressure when they start gaining on u.

peter
12-05-2010, 10:13 PM
I just witnessed a match between a 2200 and 1900. Ownage is what it is, every round 2200 would let 1 point slip thru deliberately, by standing there with funny look.

3 - 0

MildSeven
12-05-2010, 11:50 PM
I hate the consensus view every time this topic comes up. It is way more humiliating and disrespectful to give someone a point. You are compounding two problems by doing so: you are making it even more clear that your opponent is unable to earn a single point on their own merit and second, that the point they do have was not earned but donated.

When I play someone whose level is astronomically higher than mine, I want to get destroyed. I want them to play at their full effort and experience their level of play and try my best to earn each single point by trying out different tactics or trying to identify opportunities. Those are some of my most treasured experiences in playing and surprisingly hard to come by. If 11-0 is a true reflection of the game when both people are truly playing, then what shame is there in that? I don't see any at all.

When I play someone whose level is way below mine, I place constraints on myself, but still always play full effort. A common example is lower level players often have difficulty dealing with serve variation so I will get rid of that and pick one serve to use every time, commonly long backspin to backhand side. Or maybe I will think to myself, try to extend rally to at least 2 shots before allowing myself a loop or otherwise offensive stroke. Using these constraints and varying the amount of them I can make sure I adjust my level of play as to prevent the score from ever reaching 11-0 but at the same time never lowering my level of effort. This seems contradictory to the way I wanted to be treated in the reverse situation but in a non-tournament setting I have found this to be a good way to maintain the respect level. In a tournament though I don't hold back at all, for the same reason I stated previously.

You can beat someone 11-0 respectfully. It is all about how you carry yourself. I find that the "too nice" people are more annoying than the people who recognize the reality, carry out the game, and finish the game in a straightforward manner.

Fearing the 11-0 on either side is immature. For the winners consider that the losers don't want your pity. For the losers, it should fuel the motivation from savoring the experience of a level of play that is hard to come by in normal playing.

herblord3
12-06-2010, 06:07 AM
for me...i give many points as i can...if and only if i know i can make easy 1more point...XD

Dizelinho10
12-11-2010, 12:02 PM
I donĀ“t like to lose 11-0 :D But if I have the chance to win 11-0 I try do get it! ;)

Kendoś
12-20-2010, 09:23 PM
i was always giving 1 point when i was 10:0 until i played with my club mate. Hes a good player, normally he beats me more often than i win. i had 10-0 and gave him a point, and every next point he's made, it was harder for me to play.. my psychic isn't good enough for relaxing.. i need to be focused all the time... i lost 10-12 ;D every time when i win 10-some and i lose point, it is vary hard for me to get the final point ;P i have lost several matches because of this ;]

sry for my english im only 17 and its late here in Poland ;)

UsakoKirei
12-21-2010, 10:51 AM
haha when I'm up 10-0 I often slack off and loss a few points :D

same here ^^

golfnumeric
12-24-2010, 12:18 AM
If I was winning 10-0, I would be dreaming! ;)

red5
12-25-2010, 09:32 PM
its gotta depend on the person :)

if there a friend of a respectable person i never beat them 11-0

but if there somebody whos got an attitude then im comfortable beating them 11-0 :)

same for me !

it depends the oponnent's spirit i m facing

poltery
12-27-2010, 08:43 AM
yeah if your opponent is that rude you would really shut him off with a ball

PP 24-7
12-28-2010, 03:58 PM
I can agree w/ that. Just keep it on the table and let the other person find ways to earn that point.

GECA
01-02-2011, 03:01 PM
In my country, if we are winning a set 10-0, we are used to -generally- miss the last point so to not beat the opponent 11-0, but 11-1...

Yeah man,I agree,I don't like 11-0.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvdymBc3Po

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZneiYrJmkQ

YosuaYosan
04-22-2011, 10:10 AM
Exhibition time :D
Give the point though.. Its like a table tennis ethique..

azlan
04-22-2011, 01:02 PM
We call it 'professional courtesy' to give a point to our opponents. Most of the times, we don't have to wait until the last point of the game. You can make it 'easier' for your opponents to earn a point at 8 or 9 before finishing them off. We should never 'give' an outright point to your opponents, say by intentionally missing a shot or serving into the net for example. It's an ungentlemanly conduct. That one point, they have to earn it...you just making it just a lil easier for them to attack and earn the point.

PandaMike
04-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Usually I gave away a point because of respect ..... but when the oppenent is very rude, I want to win 11-0 and enjoying the oppenents face after that
sorry for my english :D it's late ;)

I agree completely! I will give them a point if they are a respectable player. If not...then I will beat them 11-0.

KevinTT
04-23-2011, 12:20 PM
When I'm winning 10-0 i make mistake with serve or reserve.
I don't like to win 11-0. Because it isnt a great felling for the opponent.
I dont want to lose 11-0 so then i can't win 11-0.

Matt Hetherington
04-24-2011, 07:47 AM
I agree with the above, losing 11-0 is hugely disappointing so I would never do it to someone else unless I REALLY had a point to make and even then winning 11-1 would be satisfying enough for me

TT Guru
12-30-2011, 12:01 AM
ttDaily should make a poll for this.

Freds
12-30-2011, 02:30 AM
I'll give the point, but try to disguise it, so it doesn't look like I'm doing it on purpose. Otherwise I feel is a bit condescending.

MildSeven
12-30-2011, 09:23 AM
I'll give the point, but I think its a stupid practice. If I get beaten 11-0 i don't mind at all. I think giving the point is actually disrespectful. Its pretty much saying you look down on someone so much that you think they are not even capable of fighting for a point, so they must be handed one for free.

I know that when I play someone capable of beating me 11-0, I want them to play 100%, that is what makes me interested and teaches me the most and makes me try hardest.

Justchill
12-30-2011, 12:04 PM
I always give the point at 10-0, but never at 9-0 or 8-0 !
Happened to me a few times..

Ash
12-30-2011, 12:35 PM
To me it depends...While I always give the last point, some people dont.....Also some people find it offensive that you gave them a point(supercup 2011) ....What I was surprised to see was that once during a match, an opponent was extremely upset that my friend had won the toss and opted to receive serve....Is that something that happens often?

WiWa
12-30-2011, 12:42 PM
To me it depends...While I always give the last point, some people dont.....Also some people find it offensive that you gave them a point(supercup 2011) ....What I was surprised to see was that once during a match, an opponent was extremely upset that my friend had won the toss and opted to receive serve....Is that something that happens often?

I think it happens regularly. If your opponent starts with the service, you get to serve at 9-9 in the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th. So it can give a big advantage at crucial moments. I don't see how someone would get upset about that though, it is completely normal and legal xD

Dibosan
12-30-2011, 03:28 PM
Never happened to me, but I'd rather lose 11x0. For me it is the same as your opponent says "Hey, because of your incompetence, I'm giving to you one point.