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TripleC
01-05-2013, 10:53 AM
Hi guys! I'm just here for a survey 'cause I know my top 10. I just wanna know what you're top 10 forehand and backhand rubbers are (even if you haven't used them). You may explain why but its optional. Just for the sake of the survey. My TOP 10 FH Rubbers:1. DHS NEO Hurricane 32. Butterfly Tenergy 053. XIOM Vega Pro4. Yasaka Mark V5. DONIC JO Platin Soft6. DHS NEO Skyline TG27. Friendship 729 Super FX8. STIGA Calibra LT Sound9. XIOM Omega Pro IV10. DONIC Bluefire M2My Top 10 BH Rubbers:1. XIOM Vega Europe2. DONIC Bluefire M33. DHS Tin Arc 34. STIGA Calibra LT5. Butterfly Bryce Speed FX6. Butterfly Tenergy 647. Yasaka Pryde8. Tibhar Q19. Haifu Whale10. DHS Tin ArcLet me know what you think.

XIII
01-05-2013, 11:25 AM
FH Rubbers:
1. DHS NEO Hurricane 3
2. Butterfly Tenergy 05
3. XIOM Vega Pro
4. Yasaka Mark V
5. DONIC JO Platin Soft
6. DHS NEO Skyline TG2
7. Friendship 729 Super FX
8. STIGA Calibra LT Sound
9. XIOM Omega Pro IV
10. DONIC Bluefire M2
BH Rubbers:
1. XIOM Vega Europe
2. DONIC Bluefire M3
3. DHS Tin Arc 3
4. STIGA Calibra LT
5. Butterfly Bryce Speed FX
6. Butterfly Tenergy 64
7. Yasaka Pryde8. Tibhar Q1
9. Haifu Whale
10. DHS Tin ArcLet
Easier to see like this mate.
and yea seems pretty legit, heard of many but haven't used them

T!Christian
01-05-2013, 12:02 PM
Backhand rubbers:

1. Xiom Omega IV Pro
2. Andro Rasant
3. Tibhar Nimbus
4. DHS C7
5. Butterfly Tenergy 05
6. Donic Desto F3
7. Andro Impuls Speed
8. Calibra LT Sound
9. Globe 999
10. Donic Coppa JO Gold


Forehand rubbers:

1. Xiom Vega Pro
2. Donic Bluefire M3
3. Butterfly Tenergy 80
4. Stiga Calibra LT Sound
5. Joola Mambo
6. Xiom Vega Elite
7. DHS Hurricane 3
8. Andro Plasma 430
9. Donic Quattro Formula
10. Butterfly Sriver EL

XIII
01-05-2013, 12:05 PM
Backhand rubbers:

1. Xiom Omega IV Pro
2. Andro Rasant
3. Tibhar Nimbus
4. DHS C7
5. Butterfly Tenergy 05
6. Donic Desto F3
7. Andro Impuls Speed
8. Calibra LT Sound
9. Globe 999
10. Donic Coppa JO Gold


Forehand rubbers:

1. Xiom Vega Pro
2. Donic Bluefire M3
3. Butterfly Tenergy 80
4. Stiga Calibra LT Sound
5. Joola Mambo
6. Xiom Vega Elite
7. DHS Hurricane 3
8. Andro Plasma 430
9. Donic Quattro Formula
10. Butterfly Sriver EL
Is that your list?
You must have used much of it

T!Christian
01-05-2013, 12:09 PM
Yes it is my list :)

Well, actually i have all these rubbers at home on some bats except of the tenergys.

XIII
01-05-2013, 12:10 PM
yes it is my list :)

well, actually i have all these rubbers at home on some bats except of the tenergys.
all of it except tenergy? Thats a lot mate.

T!Christian
01-05-2013, 12:13 PM
I have even more, you saw my list, didnt you?

MaXim
01-05-2013, 10:13 PM
:D
Forehand
1.DHS H3 Neo
2.Xiom Vega Pro
3.Tenergy 05

BackHand
1.Xiom Vega Pro
2.Donic Acuda S2
3.Tenergy 05

T!Christian
01-06-2013, 12:03 AM
Nice selection MaXim !

TripleC
01-06-2013, 04:53 AM
Easier to see like this mate.and yea seems pretty legit, heard of many but haven't used themThanks for doing that mate! I don't know how you could do that, cause whenever I post it using list type, it doesn't do what you do. I'm still pretty new here in TTD.

UpSideDownCarl
01-06-2013, 05:49 AM
I don't know if I would put this in any real order:

Forehand rubbers:

Tenergy 05
Tenergy 64
Hurricane III NEO
Xiom Omega IV Pro

Backhand Rubbers:

Tenergy 05 FX
Tenergy 64
Tenergy 05
Xiom Omega IV Europe

There are lots of other rubbers that are okay and fine but that I don't really like and top 10 seems like a lot for rubbers when really, there are only a few rubbers I really want to use. If money was not an issue, I would just go with Tenergy 05 for my forehand and Tenergy 05 FX for my backhand.

I am about to change my setup to this:

Stiga Allround Evolution
Xiom Omega IV Pro (black) FH
Xiom Omega IV Europe (red) BH

The rubbers are on their way. I have tried them. I like them. I am making that change because it was recommended to me by a friend who is a pro. He said that, for what I need to work on I should use softer Euro/Japanese type rubbers and work on letting the ball sink into the rubber and letting the rubber grab the ball instead of using the Hard Chinese rubbers I have been using on my forehand.

T!Christian
01-06-2013, 02:02 PM
I am about to change my setup to this:

Stiga Allround Evolution
Xiom Omega IV Pro (black) FH
Xiom Omega IV Europe (red) BH

The rubbers are on their way. I have tried them. I like them. I am making that change because it was recommended to me by a friend who is a pro. He said that, for what I need to work on I should use softer Euro/Japanese type rubbers and work on letting the ball sink into the rubber and letting the rubber grab the ball instead of using the Hard Chinese rubbers I have been using on my forehand.

Many people change now to Xiom rubbers, i also play them a long time now, and i really like it. Especially a hard Vega IV Pro on my backhand. Nice to see that they can compete in european markets so well. With about 40€ they are maybe just above average but worth it's money for intermediary players like us :)

AndroidRX93
01-06-2013, 04:58 PM
Forehand rubbers:
1. Tenergy 05
2. National Ver. Hurricane 3(blue sponge)
3. National Ver. Skyline 3 (blue sponge)
4. XIOM Omega 4 pro
5. XIOM Sigma Euro
6. Donic Bluefire M1
7. Donic Bluefire M2
8. Donic Baracuda
9. Donic Acuda S1 Turbo
10. Neo Hurricane 3 Provincinal ver.
Backhand rubbers:
1. Tenergy 64
2. Rakza 7
3. Donic Baracuda
4. Donic Acuda S2
5. Tenegy 05
6. XIOM VEGA ASIA
7. Donic Coppa X2
8. Tenergy 05-fx
9. Tenergy 64-fx
10. JO Platin

Milan
01-06-2013, 06:28 PM
Forehand rubbers:

1. Tenergy 05
2. Tenergy 64
3. Tenergy 05-FX
4. Acuda S1-turbo
5. Joola Rhyzm
6. DHS Hurricane 3 NEO
7. Xiom Vega Pro
8. Bluefire M1
9. Tibhar Aurus
10. Sriver G2-FK

Backhand rubber:

1. Tenergy 05
2. Sriver G2-FX
3. Tenergy 05-FX
4. Friendship 729 Higher
5. Acuda S2
6. Acuda S1
7. Yasaka Rakza 7
8. Hurricane 3 NEO
9. Tibhar Nimbus
10. Joola X-plode

Knuckle Ball
01-31-2014, 11:54 AM
Forehand
1. Tibhar 1Q
2. Tibhar 5Q
3. Stiga Magna TX II
4. Killerspin Blast
5. Yasaka Mark V
6. Stiga Calibra
7. 802 Mystery III

Backhand
1. Sriver G2 FX
2. Sriver L
3. Double Fish 1615 Ox
4. 802 Mystery III
5. Sriver Killer
6. SuperAnti

Sinukal
01-31-2014, 01:32 PM
Forehand
1. Tibhar Evolution MX-P
2. Xiom Vega Japan
3. Donic Bluefire JP01
4. Butterfly Tenergy 05
5. Xiom Sigma Pro

Backhand
1. Tibhar Evolution FX-P
2. Xiom Vega Europe
3. Donic Bluefire JP03
4. Butterfly Tenergy 80
5. Xiom Sigma Europe

After many period tests finally I choose the Tibhar Evolution rubbers.
These rubbers have the perfect mix of spin, speed, catapult, control and precision for me.

ozanjuve
02-05-2014, 08:40 AM
what about my choice ?
FOREHAND:
1. DHS Neo Skyline TG2
2. Xiom Sigma Euro
3. Andro Rasant

BACkHAND:
1. Donic Bluefire M1
2. Butterfly Tackifire Drive
3. Xiom Vega Euro

That's my preferred combination, what about the others?

Xavelha
04-28-2014, 10:15 PM
FH:

Tibhar 1Q XD
Sanwei T-88 I
Galaxy Moon 37
Haifu BW I
Joola MAXXX500
DHS Skyline TG 3

BH:
Tibhar Genius Optimum
Tibhar Aurus Soft
Tibhar grip S europe solft
Galaxy Moon 33
Galaxy Mars II
Donic Jp 01
Donic acuda s2

agold
04-28-2014, 10:46 PM
I noticed many Acuda s2 but no s3. What do you all like about the s2 that you don't like about the s3?

HLDang
04-29-2014, 05:17 AM
I haven't used much, but here's my list out of everything I've used thus far.


FH Rubber:
Butterfly Tenergy 05FX
Yasaka Rakza 7
Butterfly Sriver Series
DHS Hurricane Neo 3
Xiom Omega IV Pro
Yasaka Mark V

BH Rubber:
Butterfly Tenergy 64
Yasaka Rakza 7
Yasaka Xtend
Butterfly Sriver Series
Yasaka Mark V

It's a work in progress... I wish I had all of the money in the world to try out every rubber/blade combination.

mahomedy13
04-30-2014, 12:08 PM
Forehand(not in order):
1-Butterfly Tenergy05/05fx
3-Mark V
4-Rakza 9/7
6-DHS Hurricane 3 neo/skyline tg 2 neo
8-tenergy 80fx
9-Stiga Cobra made by Yasaka
10-stiga Airoc(still to try,but looks good)

Backhand(not in order)
1-Mark v
2-Rakza 7 soft
3-Tenergy64
4-Tenergy80fx
5-donic Bluefire
6-tenergy 05fx
7-dhs hurricane 3-50
8-Mark v hps soft
9-tenergy 25fx
10-Stiga Calibra Tour m

tabletennis11.com
05-01-2014, 04:19 AM
Impossible to choose for us! Every rubber is perfect for someone so we appreciate the merits of them all! :D

Tony's Table Tennis
05-01-2014, 11:42 AM
Impossible to choose for us! Every rubber is perfect for someone so we appreciate the merits of them all! :D

Agree, it is impossible to choose

Tony's Table Tennis
05-01-2014, 11:42 AM
Forehand(not in order):
1-Butterfly Tenergy05/05fx
3-Mark V
4-Rakza 9/7
6-DHS Hurricane 3 neo/skyline tg 2 neo
8-tenergy 80fx
9-Stiga Cobra made by Yasaka
10-stiga Airoc(still to try,but looks good)

Backhand(not in order)
1-Mark v
2-Rakza 7 soft
3-Tenergy64
4-Tenergy80fx
5-donic Bluefire
6-tenergy 05fx
7-dhs hurricane 3-50
8-Mark v hps soft
9-tenergy 25fx
10-Stiga Calibra Tour m

Wow, so besides Airoc, you have physically tested all other rubbers?

Tony's Table Tennis
05-01-2014, 12:05 PM
I haven't used much, but here's my list out of everything I've used thus far.


FH Rubber:
Butterfly Tenergy 05FX
Yasaka Rakza 7
Butterfly Sriver Series
DHS Hurricane Neo 3
Xiom Omega IV Pro
Yasaka Mark V

BH Rubber:
Butterfly Tenergy 64
Yasaka Rakza 7
Yasaka Xtend
Butterfly Sriver Series
Yasaka Mark V

It's a work in progress... I wish I had all of the money in the world to try out every rubber/blade combination.

Interesting list.
of course blade has got to do a lot, but interesting to see you mix up hard/soft rubbers on FH/BH

mahomedy13
05-01-2014, 08:53 PM
Wow, so besides Airoc, you have physically tested all other rubbers?

No.i have not tested all,but if i had the funds...

Knuckle Ball
05-02-2014, 10:12 PM
I noticed many Acuda s2 but no s3. What do you all like about the s2 that you don't like about the s3?


Forehand
1. Tibhar 1Q
2. Tibhar 5Q
3. Stiga Magna TX II
4. Killerspin Blast
5. Yasaka Mark V
6. Stiga Calibra
7. 802 Mystery III

Backhand
1. Sriver G2 FX
2. Sriver L
3. Double Fish 1615 Ox
4. 802 Mystery III
5. Sriver Killer
6. SuperAnti

Updating my list with current new setup:
Forehand
1. Tibhar 1Q
2. Andro Hexer HD
3. Tibhar 5Q
4. Stiga Magna TX II
5. Killerspin Blast
6. Yasaka Mark V
7. Tenergy 05
8. Tenergy 05 FX
9. Stiga Calibra
10 802 Mystery III

Backhand
1. Sriver G2 FX
2. Sriver L
3. Double Fish 1615 Ox
4. Nittaku Moristo DF
5. 802 Mystery III
6. Sriver Killer
7. SuperAnti
I may need to update this list next week as I'll be testing 4 new DHS rubbers:H3 Neo, TG3 Neo, Dragonow and 651. :)

mahomedy13
05-02-2014, 10:20 PM
Wow, so besides Airoc, you have physically tested all other rubbers?

I have used most,but the rest are judgements based on reveiws by people as well as popularity

Knuckle Ball
05-02-2014, 10:21 PM
I noticed many Acuda s2 but no s3. What do you all like about the s2 that you don't like about the s3?

+1 I am also very curious about the S2s, a lot of good and backhand oriented players use S2. I have tried playing S2 on several occasions, but have not used it long enough to find out the qualities that make it a good BH rubber. I would like to know more about S2s as I am a bit choosy when it comes to BH rubbers.

Christian Adrian Aniceta
06-23-2017, 09:03 AM
Does any of you can recommend a tensor/euro rubber for c-pen blade (forehand).
I am currently using a chinese rubber.
I wish to upgrade to a new blade xiom stradivarius cpen.
my choice of rpb is xiom vega euroupe.
as for fh... I don't know if I should go to vega pro

yoass
06-23-2017, 09:45 AM
I've played with quite a few rubbers, but didn't like all of them. What I think is notable that first impressions often lie: among the rubbers I really, really like there are a few that I really didn't like at first. So I'm listing rubbers that I've had sufficient time with.

BH:
1. Xiom Vega Pro
2. Stiga Mantra H
3. Andro Rasanter V47
4. Yasaka Rakza 7
5. Butterfly Rozena
6. Butterfly Tenergy 80
7. Friendship Super FX (blue sponge)

FH:
1. Xiom Vega Pro
2. Tibhar Evolution EL-S
3. Stiga Genesis M
4. Butterfly Rozena
5. Andro Rasanter V47
6. Butterfly Tenergy 05
7. Yasaka Rakza 7

Somehow using wildly different stuff on BH and FH confuses me; my brain seems unable to cope all that well with different feedback on identical ball contact. No twiddling that grass for me! So in practice I keep FH and BH close, or even identical. Sometimes with a slightly thicker sponge on FH, but I haven't even been doing that lately.

Suga D
06-23-2017, 10:26 AM
Here's my list of favourite rubbers i've played with extensively:
(just my favourites, the ones i didn't like aren't mentioned)
FH:
1. DHS H3Neo nat. blue sponge
2. DHS H3Neo prov. blue sponge
3. DHS H3Neo nat. orange sponge
4. DHS H3Neo prov. orange sponge
5. Nittaku/DHS H3Neo
6. DHS H3 nat. blue sponge
7. DHS H3 prov. blue sponge
8. Nittaku/DHS H3
9. Butterfly Spin Art
10. Soulspin P16 st (blue sponge)

BH list is way shorter:
1. Butterfly Tenergy 05
2. DHS H3Neo nat. 37°
3. Rasant Grip
4. Donic Bluefire M2

Three rubbers i still want to try:
BH: Butterfly Rozena (BH)
FH: Yasaka Shining Dragon
FH: Stiga Genesis M (would prefer Genesis H, but it just doesn't seem to be available anywhere)

bobpuls
06-23-2017, 12:20 PM
For me is just short... I have tried many rubbers, but only this one's are the only ones that going with me and my blades.
FH :
1. Dhs TG 2 NATIONAL BS
2.
3.
4.
5. STIGA GENESIS M
6. DHS TG3-60
7. ANDRO RASANTER R42

BH :
1. STIGA GENESIS M, S
2. DHS TG3-60
3. ANDRO RASANTER R38, 42
4. TSP VENTUS SPIN

anchorschmidt
06-23-2017, 12:28 PM
Haven't tried that many rubbers but here is my list:


Forehand:

1. Xiom Vega Pro (by far)
2. DHS Tin Arc (before they had production problems)
3. Palio Amigo Biotech (semi-tacky)
4. Palio Amigo
5. Tenergy 64
6. Yasaka Mark V
7. Donic Baracuda Big Slam
8. Tenergy 80
9. Xiom Vega Europe DF


Backhand:
1. Tenergy 64
2. Spinlord Tiger
3. Xiom Vega Europe DF
4. Yasaka Rakza 9
5. Donic Baracuda Big Slam
6. Joola Samba Plus
7. Yasaka Mark V

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-23-2017, 12:41 PM
you have the REAL survey here

sales ranking in Japan, updated every month...

http://world-tt.com/ps_goods/goods_ranking.php

Suga D
06-24-2017, 02:02 AM
you have the REAL survey here

sales ranking in Japan, updated every month...

http://world-tt.com/ps_goods/goods_ranking.php

Interesting. 6 out of 10 are ESN-Rubbers.

Knuckle Ball
06-24-2017, 08:35 AM
Forehand
1. Tibhar 1Q
2. Tibhar 5Q
3. Stiga Magna TX II
4. Killerspin Blast
5. Yasaka Mark V
6. Stiga Calibra
7. 802 Mystery III

Backhand
1. Sriver G2 FX
2. Sriver L
3. Double Fish 1615 Ox
4. 802 Mystery III
5. Sriver Killer
6. SuperAnti
After 3 years an update
FH
1. Tenergy 05
2. Andro Hexer HD
3. Tibhar 5Q
4. Tibhar 1Q
5. Tenergy 64
6. MX-P
BH
1. Tenergy 05
2. Nittaku Moristo DF
3. Butterfly Bryce Speed
4. Andro Hexer HD
5. Tibhar 5Q
6. Tibhar 1Q
7. Sriver G2 FX
My game must have evolved much through the years affecting my choice of rubbers specially the BH

Takkyu_wa_inochi
06-24-2017, 08:40 AM
FH
1. Mark V
2. Mark V GPS
3. Roundell
4. Tenergy80

BH
1.Sriver
2.Tackiness-C
3.SpinArt

This is not my ranking. In 30 years playing this game, i have used only those rubbers... in that order... LOL
i can't even make it 5

ajtatosmano2
06-24-2017, 09:27 AM
Only those I owned. But I tried a LOT of rubbers for 1-2 session or for a week by borrowing it. Somewhere I couldn't decide between two or three, so I thought it's the most fair if I rank them together. I bought only the MX-P and the Hurricane twice, some was used both on BH and FH. 11 rubber at all (I didn't count the Friendship rubbers which are a different league.) For 4 years of playing the amount of rubbers seems natural for me. Now I playing more and I have to change more often the rubbers.
FH
1/2/3. Tenergy 05 / MX-P / Hurricane 3 Neo
4. Omega IV Asia
5/6/7. Vega Pro / Skyline 2 / Bluefire M1

BH
((expectation 1.) V>15 Extra)
1/2. T64 / MX-P
3. Omega IV Asia
4. Vega Pro

yoass
06-24-2017, 06:02 PM
Agree, it is impossible to choose

Yet the only choice that is not available is not to choose. Such is the basic tenet of existentialism: there is no escaping choice.

countrybread
06-25-2017, 02:07 AM
I haven't tried all of them but they are what I wish to try in terms of what I want to accomplish:

Forehand: mainly looping

Fastarc G1
Rakza X
Omega V Tour
Evolution ELS
Tenergy 05

Backhand: flicks, looping, blocking

Vega Europe
Vega Europe DF
Rozena
Rakza 7 Soft
Tenergy 80

I'm not completely sure if these are all the best choices for my goals, but that's the fun journey of being an EJ.

Christian Adrian Aniceta
06-25-2017, 08:34 AM
I haven't tried all of them but they are what I wish to try in terms of what I want to accomplish:

Forehand: mainly looping

Fastarc G1
Rakza X
Omega V Tour
Evolution ELS
Tenergy 05

Backhand: flicks, looping, blocking

Vega Europe
Vega Europe DF
Rozena
Rakza 7 Soft
Tenergy 80

I'm not completely sure if these are all the best choices for my goals, but that's the fun journey of being an EJ.

I like your choices :D
I'm undecided on the fh... thinking omega iv pro for xiom stradivarius cpen
and vega europe for rpb

BeGo
06-25-2017, 10:31 AM
Because I am twiddling, I can use same rubber for either FH and BH,

In 1.0 mm for blocking and chopping, - for those I have tried more than 6 month

Gambler Reflectoid
Giant Dragon Submarine
- Butterfly Tackiness Chop
Donic Slice 40
- Butterfly Tackiness Chop 2 (my favourite!!!)
Tibhar Super 40 Defense
Donic Quattro A'Conda Soft
Juic 999 Elite Defense
Andro Backside 2.0D
Stiga Chop & Drive

Or,

In 2.0 mm for chopping and looping,

DHS Skyline TG3
Friendship/729 729-08
JOOLA Drum
Nittaku DHS Hurricane 3
XuShaoFa 999 LSZ
- Friendship/729 729
Sanwei T88-I
Tuttle Beijing 2
DHS Hurricane 3-50
DHS Hurricane 8

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SilentRain
06-25-2017, 12:56 PM
My list in no order

FH:
1. Fastarc G1
2. H3Neo Prov (Orange sponge)
3. Ternergy 05
4. Rakza 7

BH
1. FXP
2. Vega Europe
3. H3-50 soft
4. Fastarc P1
5. Ternergy 80
6. Ternergy 64

Kaiwen
06-25-2017, 01:02 PM
For me,
FH :

Tenergy 05
Evolution MX-P
Evolution EL-S
FastArc G1
Omega V Pro
Rozena

BH :

Tenergy 64 fX
Aurus Soft
Vega Asia
Vega Intro
Evolution FX-P
ventus Spin

ttplace
06-25-2017, 03:07 PM
very good

James Livesey
06-27-2017, 01:41 AM
I like your choices :D
I'm undecided on the fh... thinking omega iv pro for xiom stradivarius cpen
and vega europe for rpb

why buy sradivarius for cpen?! Carbon will only diminish your progress! why do you want euro/jap rubbers after playing chinese for so long? imo vega europe is a great rpb rubber though.

James Livesey
06-27-2017, 01:51 AM
Love chinese rubbers and think they make you progress faster: if you really like hurricane 3 the most, it's hard to say tenergy 05 is better than skyline 2 or 3....that being said I do honestly think that for FH you either have a good quality DHS (Skyline or hurricane), or tenergy unfortunately. for bh it becomes more difficult as your hardness should be to your liking. I really like the DHS skyline 3-60, but there's not much like it. Donic, Xiom, Butterfly, Thibar....all produce excellent bh rubbers imo. I slightly lean towards butterfly and dhs, but for FH it has to be what you can control and spin the most with. I hate butterfly for the pricing. Glad Thibar and xiom can compete and lower prices.

romanzdk
06-27-2017, 07:15 AM
my list, not in order

FH:
Bluefire M1/M2
Shining Dragon
Rasanter R42/R47
Victas Stiff
Tenergy 80
Tenergy 05FX
H3 Neo prov. (blue sponge)

BH:
Bluefire M2
Acuda S2
Victas Stiff

Christian Adrian Aniceta
06-27-2017, 02:07 PM
why buy sradivarius for cpen?! Carbon will only diminish your progress! why do you want euro/jap rubbers after playing chinese for so long? imo vega europe is a great rpb rubber though.

I want stradivarius because I want something similar to viscaria :)
I want euro rubber for fh just to try something new

SimonSaysSecret
06-27-2017, 02:09 PM
FH:
H3 NEO national blue sponge (personal CN rubbers)
Tenergy 05 professional
Tibhar MX-S professional

BH:
Tibhar MX-P professional
Tibhar MX-S professional
Tenergy 64 professional