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MAMAD
01-24-2013, 04:56 AM
hi guys i want to buy and set of new blades and rubbers which one should i buy?:D

1.BLADE: viscaria FH: T05 BH: T05 or T64

2.BLADE: timo boll alc FH: T05 BH: T05 or T64

3.BLADE: dhs hurricane hao FH: hurricane neo 3 BH: T64

4.BLADE:viscaria FH: hurricane neo 3 BH: T64

i want good control,spin and good top spin i know there are mostly the same but i like viscaria more,is number 4 or 1 good?

Der_Echte
01-24-2013, 05:08 AM
Any of those setups will work for a skilled operator who likes to be a flexible aggressive topspin attacker.

All of those setups cost a good chunk of money.

It isn't easy being cheesy.

UpSideDownCarl
01-24-2013, 06:09 AM
I have a Viscaria. I personally like the Timo Boll ALC a little more than I like the Viscaria. They are both really excellent blades though. 05 for the forehand and Tenergy 64 on the backhand is good, 05 would be fine for backhand as well. But I know a few pros in New York who use T05FX.

ttunreal
01-24-2013, 11:20 AM
hi guys i want to buy and set of new blades and rubbers which one should i buy?:D

1.BLADE: viscaria FH: T05 BH: T05 or T64

2.BLADE: timo boll alc FH: T05 BH: T05 or T64

3.BLADE: dhs hurricane hao FH: hurricane neo 3 BH: T64

4.BLADE:viscaria FH: hurricane neo 3 BH: T64

i want good control,spin and good top spin i know there are mostly the same but i like viscaria more,is number 4 or 1 good?

One thing's for sure, you do understand that it is A LOT of money you have to spend to get those kinds of setups! And one things for sure, you can't have a set up that's good at speed and control, because they just don't go together! So you'll have to go into more detail as for how your game is like (e.g. are you a allround player or are you an all out attacker?)

However, IMO, my preference would be number 4 because with the Chinese rubber (Hurricane 3 Neo), the speed of the power is solely relied on your own power, speed and footwork which means your forehand is literally "in your hands" (i.e. your capabilities matches what happens with the ball) and the topsheet is good for over the table play and with the Tenergy 64, you have the great amount of spin and pretty good speed and decent control due to the spring sponge. I also see that the combination is Zhang Jike's one, remember, you shouldn't try to get combinations that may not suit you! Choose rubbers and a blade that may fit to your budget and can offer the same benefits as those rubbers :D

MAMAD
01-24-2013, 12:48 PM
the money doesent really matter :D im an offensive player my first blade was mazunov with srivers on both sides im good with bluefire m1 but i keep hitting the ball out of the table.

Pongfinity
01-24-2013, 12:53 PM
I would choose Timo Boll Alc with 05 on both sides. Good speed, spin and control. But if you like Viscaria more then you should probably buy it

revulucao
01-24-2013, 08:49 PM
i really like that combinations and i imagine my future with one of that but maybe 05 and not 64 because i've never tried the 64

TTFrenzy
01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
Viscaria has better control , but if you are a good player i dont think it really matters as long as you have good and solid technique . I personally would go for the viscaria combinations ! Good luck whatever you choose

ttdotcom
01-25-2013, 02:41 AM
I have a Timo boll spirit and a DHS hurricane king selling...

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56938&title=rfs-world-class-blades-rubbersOn-special

MAMAD
01-25-2013, 05:15 AM
what should i buy? viscaria or timo boll alc? i wanna buy T05 on both sides which one is better? :D

ttunreal
01-25-2013, 06:44 AM
the money doesent really matter :D im an offensive player my first blade was mazunov with srivers on both sides im good with bluefire m1 but i keep hitting the ball out of the table.

Well, if you're just an... offensive player in general, then all those combos suit you. If you want 05 on both sides, then go for the first one :) Viscaria is good because you can sorta still feel the ball like what it is with an allwood blade (according to someones blog), but as EditingSports said, as long as you have good technique, you can go with any combination. Personally, what I think is to get one of those combinations and just train on that equipment and get used it, rather than saying that it's... an alright set-up and decide to change again, because that isn't a good habit, JUST REMINDING YOU! XD

Go with option 1 :D

TTCampsHungary
01-25-2013, 10:44 AM
viscaria with 05 on both sides for sure!

revulucao
01-25-2013, 12:20 PM
and for a player that his allround would you say to use timo boll alc and tennergy 05 and H3? from now i use timo boll all +, xion sigma pro, tennergy 05

Milan
01-27-2013, 08:35 AM
Timo Boll ALC and Tenergy 05 on the both sides.

UpSideDownCarl
01-27-2013, 11:25 AM
Timo Boll ALC, FH Tenergy 05, BH Tenergy 05 FX

Timo Boll ALC, FH Tenergy 05, BH Tenergy 64

Viscaria, FH Tenergy 05, BH Tenergy 05 FX

Viscaria, FH Tenergy 05, BH Tenergy 64

You cannot really go wrong with any of those setups.

The idea with 64 or 05 FX on the backhand is this. If the rubber you use on the backhand is a little softer than the rubber you use on the forehand there is an advantage. The forehand being a larger stroke with a lot of power from the body behind it, having a harder rubber is good because your power helps the ball sink in so you get the spin with the power. Then the harder sponge which is faster will add to the power of your stroke. With the backhand the stroke is necessarily smaller than the forehand and you cannot put the same amount of body into it. So, with a softer rubber, you can get the ball to sink into the topsheet more and get more spin, more control and more mechanical advantage from the rubber for speed and control. That is why so many pros use a rubber that is softer on the backhand than what they have on the forehand.

Now I recently started using Xiom Omega IV Pro for forehand and Xiom Omega IV Europe for backhand. I actually like this rubber a little better than Tenergy even though it will not last quite as long. Where I get it, it is almost half the price of Tenergy, but I feel it plays a little better. Not much, they are close. But I actually like it better than Tenergy.

Tinykin
01-27-2013, 01:17 PM
what should i buy? viscaria or timo boll alc? i wanna buy T05 on both sides which one is better? :D

It's obvious. Buy the Viscaria as the name is just so cooool. ZJK is WC and OLy champion using that blade.
Also buy a Stiga Allround +T05 both sides.
You may be surprised at what you'll find.

MAMAD
02-11-2013, 01:57 PM
well thanks for replying guys but my coach said to buy 2 srivers and a non carbon blade. i was like :eek: lol :D well... thanks anyway :D

RIPPER
02-12-2013, 01:16 AM
If you are deciding between option 1 and option 4 and you used to play with sriver then I think you would be more suited to tenergy rather than hurricane as it can take a while to get used to hurricane so i think option 1 is best for you.

MAMAD
02-14-2013, 11:37 AM
ok thanks :-D

dklaaaa
02-16-2013, 07:27 AM
Vis h3 t64

spin4net
03-08-2013, 04:03 PM
Butterfly Viscaria has a unique feel but if you go for h3 on the fh, pick the commercial version because it's faster than provincial.

johndol
03-09-2013, 07:10 AM
well thanks for replying guys but my coach said to buy 2 srivers and a non carbon blade. i was like :eek: lol :D well... thanks anyway :D

If your coach tells you to buy the all wood, maybe you can consider stiga clipper. I've been using it for quite some time and i can say It is a quite good blade.

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UpSideDownCarl
03-09-2013, 12:48 PM
well thanks for replying guys but my coach said to buy 2 srivers and a non carbon blade. i was like :eek: lol :D well... thanks anyway :D

Your coach is giving you good advice. That is better for developing good strokes and good habits than any of the setups you were choosing from.

Butterfly Primorac Off-
Stiga Allround Evolution
Stiga Tube Allround

These are really good blades for the same reason.

Butterfly Korbel
Stiga Clipper

These are faster but excellent blades. However, you should listen to your coach and ask him what blade is right for you.

UpSideDownCarl
03-10-2013, 01:54 AM
well thanks for replying guys but my coach said to buy 2 srivers and a non carbon blade. i was like :eek: lol :D well... thanks anyway :D

I am going to quote myself from a different thread. :) It provides some information on why an all wood blade may be a good choice.


Now I will give my last piece of information, that I give, over and over and nobody fully listens to. I will see if I can say it a little differently. But I do get why nobody wants to listen to it. :) Fast blades are fun. I love the way they feel. It took me a while to get this. :)

Players who have good technique and are above 2100 level (USATT rating), which is about when a players fundamentals begin to become REALLY solid, can use a blade that has carbon in it without it slowing the development of their technique. That level is about where a player starts looking fundamentally sound, and, regardless of who they play, their technique stays decent. So, even when they get beaten up badly on the court, it is not because their technique fell apart and became sloppy. It is simply because they other player gave them stuff they could not handle.

For someone who just likes to play and does not really care about improving technique, this information is a little beside the point. If you are a person who just likes to play, plays mostly matches, does not do much training and does not work on improving technique, then just using what ever you want is fine. You will get better. But, there are certain aspects of technique that the pros employ that those players will not learn. Which is fine. Ultimately I play Table Tennis because it is SOOOOOOOO fun. But for me, the most fun I get from Table Tennis is from working on and improving the more subtle more detailed aspects of technique, like how you contact the ball, how you get the rubber to grab the ball, how you hold the ball on the racket longer to get more spin.

Last week I was hitting with my sister and she said: "I think I get what you mean by dwell time now. Because I am watching when you are hitting the ball and it is staying in contact with your rubber for a really long time." I like learning how you do things like that.

So, for a player who is not 2100 yet, using a carbon blade and using a blade that is faster than Off- can slow down the process of learning certain subtle stuff about how you contact the ball, how you hold the ball on the rubber, how you let the ball sink into the topsheet and how you use the forearm snap and the wrist in producing spin, the timing of all those things. Because a carbon blade makes it harder to feel the ball on the topsheet and sponge, and a faster blade makes it harder to hold the ball on the there, for most players who are not at this level, using a blade like a:

Butterfly Primorac Off-

or a

Stiga Tube Allround

(both blades are all wood and both blades are Off- rated and about the same speed), will help you develop an aspect of touch that most players at that level do not know you need. You will not have to try to learn this. It will happen naturally with a blade that speed that is all wood and has good ball feel. It will also help you develop the timing of the weight transfer for more power in your stroke. With an Off rated blade, a player who does not already have that technique and timing does not have to learn it, because the blade does the work. But, when your body has that touch and knows those techniques, when you get to a level around 2100 and switch to the type of blade mentioned in this thread, your technique will be ready for the equipment and the equipment will help you go to the next level.

Until your technique is fully solid, Off- all wood blades are very worth using.

A blade I would add to my list is the one I am using:

Stiga Allround Evolution

Another is:

Stiga Allround NCT.

All those blades are really good blades for feeling the timing of when to accelerate the stroke so you get more spin, how to hold the blade face so the angle of the blade does not change while you spin the ball and how to catch different spots on the ball when you loop like the top or the side to get different angles of top and side spin and how, when someone is really spinning heavily at you, you start feeling how you need to spin over the top of the ball.

aythsu
03-10-2013, 07:39 PM
Blades that have only Arylate or Zylon, such as the Innerforce AL or Innerforce ZLF should be ok, I think?

Pnachtwey
03-11-2013, 02:27 AM
I have a TBS+2xT05.
I play just as well with H2 Neo or H3 Neo on a Samsonov Alpha and it is a lot cheaper.
As for the blade. I have about 12. An OFF- or ALL is probably a good choice until you and your competition get to be very good.

The attributes you want are really functions of your ability. Blades and rubbers don't have control. Some are more forgiving than others but then there is usually a performance trade off. The trick is to find the right balance for you NOW. In a year your skill will improve and a different set of rubbers and possible blades will be best for you.

UpSideDownCarl
03-11-2013, 02:42 AM
Blades that have only Arylate or Zylon, such as the Innerforce AL or Innerforce ZLF should be ok, I think?

I think this is basically accurate. I have not played with a blade that had Arylate and no carbon but it makes sense, and I have played with the Timo Boll ZLF and the Innerforce ZLF and would agree that you can feel the ball about as good as if it was only wood. But, those are pretty fast blades and it might be good to use a blade a little less fast for many. So, in a sense, yes, but it depends.

JasminTBS
03-11-2013, 08:10 AM
hi guys,

i came to this forum last year to help my transition from arylate-carbon blade to something of an all wood blade (Clipper CR version). carl and azlan did me favour by explaining the possibilities with using this side of the game given i was coming from TBS and TB ALC (fibrous material or hybrid if you like). satisfied, guess i made an informed decision to change. it is this change that transforms your game to better heights. as carl put it, for someone who doesn't really care about improving their methods or techniques then they don't matter much. i care and i say if you are a developing player or reluctant to admit you're one of those then there comes a point you will be forced to acknowledge the fact that while having a cool blade (TB, ZJK, HK and whatnot) does guarantee your realisation of dream blade, but you cannot hide the fact that automatic proper techniques cannot easily be acquired -- without having to control your weapon to the best of your abilities.

power of your swing, control or uncontrolled (high level) must be your sole decision not the blade that does the talking for you.

with that, any clipper version or any off minus blade would be suitable for new, developing or advanced racketeers.

UpSideDownCarl
03-11-2013, 08:23 AM
I am going to quote myself one more time because this is useful information:


By the way, just for information purposes. I got that information about all wood blades Off- speed from two different pros who both said the same thing. They both told it to me completely separately from each other. I was asking them each some information about good setups for a friend who, at the time was looking to get himself something that would be the best setup for his improvement. Both players were on national teams in Europe when they were juniors and both players had the same basic information. That an all wood blade that is Off- is best for a player below a certain level and that, soft rubbers so that the player can learn mechanical spin should go with it. At least if you are trying to learn to be an offensive player with both sides smooth.

In deciding to act on their advice for myself even though they were not telling me I should change equipment, my level has increased a lot. Unfortunately my friend got a fast carbon blade with Hard rubber. :)

Part of the idea with why you need it until you are really solid, until the touch and technique is ingrained all the way into your muscle memory, so that you do the right technique every time, and you are tracking the ball and moving to it well enough to take the same stroke pretty much every time, then the carbon and not feeling the ball will keep you from feeling when subtle things like the contact, how far the ball sinks in, the angle of the bat, when to use the wrist, how much. And with the wood blade you will feel when you do not do it just so, and with the carbon blade you can get away with not doing it just so, so that the stroke and touch will seem okay. But it will keep you from fully developing that kind of loop that a higher level player just has because of how good their technique is.

It is all about muscle memory.

UpSideDownCarl
03-11-2013, 08:33 AM
hi guys,

i came to this forum last year to help my transition from arylate-carbon blade to something of an all wood blade (Clipper CR version). carl and azlan did me favour by explaining the possibilities with using this side of the game given i was coming from TBS and TB ALC (fibrous material or hybrid if you like). satisfied, guess i made an informed decision to change. it is this change that transforms your game to better heights. as carl put it, for someone who doesn't really care about improving their methods or techniques then they don't matter much. i care and i say if you are a developing player or reluctant to admit you're one of those then there comes a point you will be forced to acknowledge the fact that while having a cool blade (TB, ZJK, HK and whatnot) does guarantee your realisation of dream blade, but you cannot hide the fact that automatic proper techniques cannot easily be acquired -- without having to control your weapon to the best of your abilities.

power of your swing, control or uncontrolled (high level) must be your sole decision not the blade that does the talking for you.

with that, any clipper version or any off minus blade would be suitable for new, developing or advanced racketeers.

Great info.

I was using a Clipper. I went one small notch slower, even. The blade I am using has the same exact wood as the Clipper but it is 5 plies instead of 7 and it is just a little slower. And since I changed to this blade I have improved even more as a result of that. I have more power from my strokes because the blade does, even a tiny bit less so it forces me to have to be even more precise. :)

Clipper is quite affordable and a great blade at around $50.00-$60.00 depending on whether you get CR or regular.

The blade I am using now, Stiga Alllround Evolution is even more affordable at under $40.00.

For Butterfly fans, the Butterfly Primorac Off- blade is one of the best for these purposes. The blade I am using is very similar to that blade. They are about the same weight, speed, etc. The wood in both are very similar as well. Both Limba and Ayous. The plies are slightly different though:

Stiga Allround Evolution: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba

Butterfly Primorac Off-: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

By the way, for comparison here are the plies for the Clipper: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba

JasminTBS
03-11-2013, 08:43 AM
but carl since we use an all-wood, we need to have a great physical and great movement, aren't we ? the curse of being an all-rounder .. hahaha

UpSideDownCarl
03-11-2013, 12:01 PM
but carl since we use an all-wood, we need to have a great physical and great movement, aren't we ? the curse of being an all-rounder .. hahaha

Wang Liqin uses a Clipper. I think Chen Chi does as well. I am not sure those guys are Allrounders. :)

JasminTBS
03-12-2013, 03:18 AM
athletic i'm certain :-)

MAMAD
03-15-2013, 04:40 PM
thanks guys useful informations :D