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TableTennisDaily
03-02-2013, 09:42 AM
TableTennisDaily had the fantastic opportunity to review Stiga's (http://stigatabletennis.com/en/2013/02/stiga-calibra-tour-new-rubbers-available-in-may-2013/) latest Stiga Tour rubber that they will release in May 2013! I have made a review below looking at various techniques with the rubbers. We only had 3 hours to shoot so I had to be as quick as possible going through each shot. I tried and tested all three rubbers.

Stay tuned for many more reviews to come!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8S7Haqx5TU

Extra Footage!

More footage of the rubbers being tested by Tom Maynard and Jekwon Choi of the Bristol Table Tennis Academy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS8hIzPvJpg&feature=youtu.be

CALIBRA TOUR H

Speed 149 Control 80 Spin 127 Sponge Hard Thickness 1,7 / 1,9 / 2,1 mm

http://stigatabletennis.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1701-0305-XX-CALIBRA-TOUR-H.jpg

Calibra Tour H has a hard sponge. Equipped with the brand new APS-technology, it provides very high speed and the fantastic possibility to shape your shots with the increased spin features. The APS technology (Advanced Pimple Structure) with straight shaped pimples makes the rubber adapt to the ball like never before and provides an explosive and spinny rubber that is reliable in every situation. Calibra Tour H is suitable for players with strong hitting power who need a rubber with built-in speed glue effect that is reliable in all situations.


CALIBRA TOUR M

Speed 148 Control 80 Spin 127 Sponge Medium Thickness 1,7 / 1,9 / 2,1 mm

http://stigatabletennis.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1701-0205-XX-CALIBRA-TOUR-M.jpg

Calibra Tour M has a medium-hard sponge. Equipped with the brand new APS-technology, it provides very high speed and the fantastic possibility to shape your shots with the increased spin features. The APS technology (Advanced Pimple Structure) with straight shaped pimples makes the rubber adapt to the ball like never before and provides an explosive and spinny rubber that is reliable in every situation. Calibra Tour M is suitable for players with medium strong hitting power who need a rubber that helps generate a bit more speed with the lovely feeling of built-in speed glue effect.


CALIBRA TOUR S

Speed 140 Control 86 Spin 127 Sponge Soft Thickness 1,7 / 1,9 / 2,1 mm

http://stigatabletennis.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1701-0105-XX-CALIBRA-TOUR-S.jpg

Calibra Tour S has a soft sponge. Equipped with the brand new APS-technology, it provides very high speed and the fantastic possibility to shape your shots with the increased spin features. The APS technology (Advanced Pimple Structure) with straight shaped pimples makes the rubber adapt to the ball like never before and provides an explosive and spinny rubber that is reliable in every situation. Calibra Tour S is suitable for players with lower hitting power who need a rubber that helps generate extra speed with the exceptionally lovely sound of built-in speed glue effect.

We hope you enjoyed the review :) Will you try out Stiga's rubber?

Comment below :)

elvis56
03-02-2013, 09:46 AM
This is not a review, this is an advertisement.

TableTennisDaily
03-02-2013, 09:50 AM
This is not a review, this is an advertisement.

Fair point, I feel like I reviewed them..

sarahherlee
03-02-2013, 09:52 AM
nice review!

WiWa
03-02-2013, 09:54 AM
This is not a review, this is an advertisement.

A review is in fact always an advertisement, because it gives viewers more information about the product ;) And I wouldn't expect Stiga to launch rubbers that are worse than their existing rubber families. So since the Calibra ST was already pretty good, it is no suprise that the review about this new family of rubbers is positive :)

Tinykin
03-02-2013, 11:35 AM
Veteran EJ-type player viewpoint here.
I thought the hard was the fastest rubber post SG-era that I have ever experienced. That thing was a rocket. Consequently grip was not that great for the slow loop stuff.
In my opinion:
1 It's not for loopers.
2 It's for Hitters or drive loopers.
3 Kreanga would love this.
4 Female attackers will also find it great for their hitting and pushing game.
Conclusion, throw away your short pips attacking stuff. Use the Calibra Tour hard instead. IMO of course.

My other conclusion is that no matter what ALC, ZLC, rosewood, and other blade that you use, the Stiga Classic Offensive CR is still the one to beat. It's a fantastic blade whether you loop, hit, push or even chop. Very few blades have it all. But the Offensive CR does and is still the standard to judge any other offensive blade.

Tinykin
03-02-2013, 11:42 AM
This is not a review, this is an advertisement.
What would you have preferred to see?
Feedback is always appreciated to influence future video features.

yurybarquero
03-02-2013, 01:38 PM
Hey Dan, Everyone likes to hear the comparison between any rubber and Tenergy. You could add it. I actually don´t mind but maybe you could give a feedback such as if you are using a hurricane 3, stiga tour... will fit your game... or if you are beginner who is moving up using either Mark V or Sriver, stiga tour... will help you countinue to improve your game...

Dan
03-02-2013, 03:17 PM
Hey Dan, Everyone likes to hear the comparison between any rubber and Tenergy. You could add it. I actually don´t mind but maybe you could give a feedback such as if you are using a hurricane 3, stiga tour... will fit your game... or if you are beginner who is moving up using either Mark V or Sriver, stiga tour... will help you countinue to improve your game...

Totally understand. I will add this soon :) Personally I would say they are similar to the Calibre LT however they definately have more speed and control.

Ill add an indepth detailed comparison shortly :)

Sent from my S2 using Tapatalk 2

elvis56
03-02-2013, 05:49 PM
Fair point, I feel like I reviewed them..

I am reading the forum on tapatalk and the video did not show so I was referring to the text. Anyway the video is decent. Your club should invest in a new floor though! Still this could hardly be called an unbiased and independent review with all the obvious product placement. And as pointed out on the ooak forum the rubbers have not been approved yet so marketing of any kind is not allowed yet.

CJ
03-02-2013, 07:01 PM
I am reading the forum on tapatalk and the video did not show so I was referring to the text. Anyway the video is decent. Your club should invest in a new floor though! Still this could hardly be called an unbiased and independent review with all the obvious product placement. And as pointed out on the ooak forum the rubbers have not been approved yet so marketing of any kind is not allowed yet.

Your obviously just trying to provoke an argument. There was a lot of Stiga equipment being used during this video as they are reviewing Stiga equipment. As Dan said there will be a more detailed review coming where he compares it to other rubbers until then please go back to your advertising law book, run a bath and relax safe in the knowledge that no one cares about your opinions on this matter thank you :)

elvis56
03-02-2013, 07:15 PM
Your obviously just trying to provoke an argument. There was a lot of Stiga equipment being used during this video as they are reviewing Stiga equipment. As Dan said there will be a more detailed review coming where he compares it to other rubbers until then please go back to your advertising law book, run a bath and relax safe in the knowledge that no one cares about your opinions on this matter thank you :)

Well isn't this a friendly place! As I noticed before this forum does not seem to be a place for discussion but a place for people who don't want to think for themselves but just follow a general opinion.

CJ
03-02-2013, 07:26 PM
Well isn't this a friendly place! As I noticed before this forum does not seem to be a place for discussion but a place for people who don't want to think for themselves but just follow a general opinion.

Considering all you have done so far is try to annoy the moderator and offended the entire forum do you really think people will want to be friendly to you? Just a thought :)

jedimasterplk
03-02-2013, 09:53 PM
Well isn't this a friendly place! As I noticed before this forum does not seem to be a place for discussion but a place for people who don't want to think for themselves but just follow a general opinion.

Seriously 'Elvis' - just keep your opinions to yourself - whoever you are. Dan has already been gracious and mature and responded well to your initial (silly criticism) yet you persist with your silly views. This is a site for grown ups.

Dan
03-02-2013, 10:33 PM
I am reading the forum on tapatalk and the video did not show so I was referring to the text. Anyway the video is decent. Your club should invest in a new floor though! Still this could hardly be called an unbiased and independent review with all the obvious product placement. And as pointed out on the ooak forum the rubbers have not been approved yet so marketing of any kind is not allowed yet.

I understand, the product placement is in place so viewers know which rubbers I tested. I just tested the rubbers to see how they performed. They are still in the testing phase of development.

Sent from my S2 using Tapatalk 2

Lorre
03-02-2013, 10:38 PM
Well, I have to back up Elvis in this one. I'm an OOAK member and once and a while I make the crossover to this forum. I mostly don't post here, but for once I want to make an exception, because Elvis is treated unfairly here. Although I have deep respect for Dan and what he has done with this forum, the vid appears to me like an advertisement. For one the only thing I see in the video is Stiga, Stiga, Stiga,... Two, it doesn't mention anything negative about the new rubber. Third, Elvis is right that advertisement about this rubber is not allowed yet.

Yes, I also want to add that I read Dan's comments that an indepth review is coming. But let me ask the forum members this: if he starts comparing it with Tenergy and he comes to the conclusion that it's way better than Tenergy, will you believe him? If he starts telling you that the rubber doesn't perform like when he made the video and it is nothing compared to Tenergy, will you believe him? By making the video and being affiliated with Stiga in one or the other way (or making the impression that he is) Dan makes it himself impossible to deliver a neutral review, now and in the future, be it about a Stiga rubber or a rubber of another brand. IMO he lost total credibility as a reviewer and if you're a bit critical about such things, you'd agree. I'm not saying here Dan has become a Stiga boy, only that someone who doesn't know him can't know if he is or he isn't.

CJ
03-02-2013, 11:43 PM
Well, I have to back up Elvis in this one. I'm an OOAK member and once and a while I make the crossover to this forum. I mostly don't post here, but for once I want to make an exception, because Elvis is treated unfairly here. Although I have deep respect for Dan and what he has done with this forum, the vid appears to me like an advertisement. For one the only thing I see in the video is Stiga, Stiga, Stiga,... Two, it doesn't mention anything negative about the new rubber. Third, Elvis is right that advertisement about this rubber is not allowed yet.

Yes, I also want to add that I read Dan's comments that an indepth review is coming. But let me ask the forum members this: if he starts comparing it with Tenergy and he comes to the conclusion that it's way better than Tenergy, will you believe him? If he starts telling you that the rubber doesn't perform like when he made the video and it is nothing compared to Tenergy, will you believe him? By making the video and being affiliated with Stiga in one or the other way (or making the impression that he is) Dan makes it himself impossible to deliver a neutral review, now and in the future, be it about a Stiga rubber or a rubber of another brand. IMO he lost total credibility as a reviewer and if you're a bit critical about such things, you'd agree. I'm not saying here Dan has become a Stiga boy, only that someone who doesn't know him can't know if he is or he isn't.

I understand your point about there being a lot of Stiga in this video but that's because he's reviewing stiga equipment, at the end of the day "Elvis" is blatantly trying to cause an argument so I put him in his place as I felt it was deserved especialy when he said that the people on this forum "don't want to speak for themselves" which I'm sure you would agree was out of order. Dan is testing out three rubbers that haven't been released yet and at no point does he say BUY THESE RUBBERS which would be considered advertising. What he has done is compared them against each other and said which rubbers suit styles of play compared to each other. I also completely disagree with you saying that this isn't a neutral review as he has not said it is better or worse then any other rubber. How much more neutral can you get? He has not said in anything about them being better then tenergy and he wouldn't in the future unless he truly believes it. I can see there maybe some resentment creeping in from OOAK forum members who feel that ttdaily is also becoming a very good forum. This I don't understand as I like both forums and both have their own identity. Yes I prefer using ttdaily as I have liked watching it evolve from its humble beginnings to the present. I'm sure you'd agree it is now pretty epic :)

flash
03-03-2013, 12:35 AM
If they are not allowed to be advertised why are they on the ITTF site being advertised ?

Tinykin
03-03-2013, 01:18 AM
Whew! There are some harsh criticisms on this thread that I wasn't expecting.

Let me introduce myself. I am Mark Kinlocke and I've been playing TT on and off for the past 50yrs or so. I am an active umpire, a qualified TT coach and an enthusiastic EJ.
I also like photography and I did the camera work behind the video. Videography is new to me but I am learning.
When Dan told me that he had these rubbers to review, it was me who suggested that we do a video rather than the usual write up. I also strongly advised him as to what to say, what to wear and the filming took place at my club, the Bristol Civil Service TTC. It was me who made sure that we played on a Stiga table. I even went so far as to cover the Butterfly logo on the net stand. The idea was that this was a review of Stiga equipment and there should not be the distraction of having other brands in clear view. When we do Butterfly and other brands, we’ll do the same for them. Dan did the editing as he's brilliant at it.
So most of the criticisms should be levelled at me, not Dan.

The direction in the video was deliberate as I believe that it takes at least 3-4 months of constant usage to get to know any equipment properly. For a fairly short, non-scientific review like this, I believe that it is better to show and demonstrate the characteristics and leave viewers to make up their own mind.
Dan will be doing other reviews with equipment from the other brands. I also have a few ideas about looking at presenting some of the technique issues raised in other threads using videos to give a fresh view of stuff.
Yes please, critique all you want with the bad and good. It will all serve to us making improved videos in the future.
BTW, I did not tell Dan that I was going to write this.

haggisv
03-03-2013, 04:56 AM
I can see there maybe some resentment creeping in from OOAK forum members who feel that ttdaily is also becoming a very good forum.
That seems very unfair and totally unfounded. I have a great deal of respect for both these members, and to imply that their opinions are based on resentment of ttdaily becoming more popular and a threat to OOAK is quite disrespectful to them, and I'm sure totally unfounded.
Sorry to get this thread off track Dan, but I felt this had to be said.

CJ
03-03-2013, 09:21 AM
That seems very unfair and totally unfounded. I have a great deal of respect for both these members, and to imply that their opinions are based on resentment of ttdaily becoming more popular and a threat to OOAK is quite disrespectful to them, and I'm sure totally unfounded.
Sorry to get this thread off track Dan, but I felt this had to be said.

At no point did I say that ttdaily was a threat to OOAK forums but It is quite clear to me that one of the posters on here "Elvis" was intentionally trying to cause friction when HE did compare the two forums saying that HE thought that ttdaily was "a place for people who don't want to think for themselves". This was a completely unnecessary comment from a user who has only posted a couple of times most of which have been made to complain about this site. The very fact that this is also your first point leads me to believe that you are clearly communicating to them away somewhere else unless you casually stumbled upon this thread by luck and had no idea that two OOAK forum members where trying to attack this forum. This again leads me to believe that you are also only on here to cause more argument by backing up someone who is clearly in the wrong. As I said before it is clear what Elvis was trying to do by posting non-constructive negative feedback that can't possibly be defended.

Scorpnox
03-03-2013, 10:53 AM
Stop fighting about something silly like which forum is the better one or not. Elvis should just apologize... He has a point on the fact that Dan isn't neutral when making the review but saying this forum is full of people who can't think for themselves is just hilarious really :D
I had a good laugh about it :)

P1ngP0ng3r
03-03-2013, 11:06 AM
Hey guys, please calm down all :)
Forums are different yes, but that does not mean one is better than another. I welcome all TT forums! :D

I do understand why some people say the video looks a bit like an advertisement. And when someone think so, he/she should be allowed to speak his/her mind.
Videos like to this truly have added value when you are looking for more info on a certain rubber or blade. In this case it shows the difference of the 3 rubbers in arc, speed and sound for example.

For me, in an ultimate review video I would like to see new equipment compared to current equipment. For example, these rubbers compared to Bluefire, Evolution and Tenergy on the same blade. I do understand this would mean a huge amount of work, but it would make a fantastic video! :)
(I know, most of you out there reading this say: make one yourself. And you're right, but with a 60hr work-week it's hard for me to find the time for it. So, I'm very gratefull for all video's)

Thanks to all who contributed to this video and keep up the good work!

CJ
03-03-2013, 11:11 AM
Stop fighting about something silly like which forum is the better one or not. Elvis should just apologize... He has a point on the fact that Dan isn't neutral when making the review but saying this forum is full of people who can't think for themselves is just hilarious really :D
I had a good laugh about it :)

I at no point argued on what forum was better. But anyway yes I agree with you Elvis should just apologise and everyone should stop argueing.

Lorre
03-03-2013, 11:21 AM
I understand your point about there being a lot of Stiga in this video but that's because he's reviewing stiga equipment, at the end of the day "Elvis" is blatantly trying to cause an argument so I put him in his place as I felt it was deserved especialy when he said that the people on this forum "don't want to speak for themselves" which I'm sure you would agree was out of order. Dan is testing out three rubbers that haven't been released yet and at no point does he say BUY THESE RUBBERS which would be considered advertising. What he has done is compared them against each other and said which rubbers suit styles of play compared to each other. I also completely disagree with you saying that this isn't a neutral review as he has not said it is better or worse then any other rubber. How much more neutral can you get? He has not said in anything about them being better then tenergy and he wouldn't in the future unless he truly believes it. I can see there maybe some resentment creeping in from OOAK forum members who feel that ttdaily is also becoming a very good forum. This I don't understand as I like both forums and both have their own identity. Yes I prefer using ttdaily as I have liked watching it evolve from its humble beginnings to the present. I'm sure you'd agree it is now pretty epic :)

I agree Elvis should have kept his calm to the reactions he got here, but that doesn't excuse the reactions themselves.

I'm not going to respond to the following criticism: "I also completely disagree with you saying that this isn't a neutral review as he has not said it is better or worse then any other rubber. How much more neutral can you get? He has not said in anything about them being better then tenergy and he wouldn't in the future unless he truly believes it.", because that's not what I wrote. I advise you to read my post again.

Like you said: both fora have their own identity, so there's no reason to be resentful. Don't drag such statement in the discussion: they lead to nothing and only hurt certain people.

Lorre
03-03-2013, 11:40 AM
If they are not allowed to be advertised why are they on the ITTF site being advertised ?

Check the Rasant history for a comparable story.


Whew! There are some harsh criticisms on this thread that I wasn't expecting.

Let me introduce myself. I am Mark Kinlocke and I've been playing TT on and off for the past 50yrs or so. I am an active umpire, a qualified TT coach and an enthusiastic EJ.
I also like photography and I did the camera work behind the video. Videography is new to me but I am learning.
When Dan told me that he had these rubbers to review, it was me who suggested that we do a video rather than the usual write up. I also strongly advised him as to what to say, what to wear and the filming took place at my club, the Bristol Civil Service TTC. It was me who made sure that we played on a Stiga table. I even went so far as to cover the Butterfly logo on the net stand. The idea was that this was a review of Stiga equipment and there should not be the distraction of having other brands in clear view. When we do Butterfly and other brands, we’ll do the same for them. Dan did the editing as he's brilliant at it.
So most of the criticisms should be levelled at me, not Dan.

The direction in the video was deliberate as I believe that it takes at least 3-4 months of constant usage to get to know any equipment properly. For a fairly short, non-scientific review like this, I believe that it is better to show and demonstrate the characteristics and leave viewers to make up their own mind.
Dan will be doing other reviews with equipment from the other brands. I also have a few ideas about looking at presenting some of the technique issues raised in other threads using videos to give a fresh view of stuff.
Yes please, critique all you want with the bad and good. It will all serve to us making improved videos in the future.
BTW, I did not tell Dan that I was going to write this.

Thx for clearing this all up, Mark. But still my criticism holds and apparently some of the posters are agreeing with me this (might) look like an advertisement. Maybe you could take this into account when making the next review video. IMO the video and Dan should send out neutrality, not affiliation with brand X. His credibility will go way up when he'll be doing that.


At no point did I say that ttdaily was a threat to OOAK forums but It is quite clear to me that one of the posters on here "Elvis" was intentionally trying to cause friction when HE did compare the two forums saying that HE thought that ttdaily was "a place for people who don't want to think for themselves". This was a completely unnecessary comment from a user who has only posted a couple of times most of which have been made to complain about this site. The very fact that this is also your first point leads me to believe that you are clearly communicating to them away somewhere else unless you casually stumbled upon this thread by luck and had no idea that two OOAK forum members where trying to attack this forum. This again leads me to believe that you are also only on here to cause more argument by backing up someone who is clearly in the wrong. As I said before it is clear what Elvis was trying to do by posting non-constructive negative feedback that can't possibly be defended.

Indeed, we are:

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=17933&start=1875

Haggisv probably stumbled on my reference to this topic in MNNB's blog. You might read it sometimes: it's a quite critical blog. Besides, I don't think you know haggisv is the head moderator of the OOAK forum. I don't think his mission is to tackle Dan's forum and vice versa.

I don't think either Elvis or some of the others should apologize for airing their opinion or both parties should apologize.

Tinykin
03-03-2013, 12:07 PM
Yep, hit me with your critical stick.
Anyway, points taken. If Dan allows me to do another, I'll make sure that he wears a TTD shirt in future.
I am still reluctant at the direct comparison thing as there are too many variables to consider.
But, the majority view appears to favour doing some sort of side by side tests. Maybe we should do it like the car magazines. They usually review a new car in its own feature. Then a couple months later they do side by side comparisons.

keme
03-03-2013, 03:22 PM
First things first, the initial response from Elvis56 that "... this is an advertisement".
The original post had prominent images of the packaging for the rubbers, and also the video had intermittent splashes of Stiga marketing slogans, some with images of known TT champions. While the TT action and spoken content does constitute a reasonable review (and it was stated that there was too limited time for an in depth review), those graphical elements make it appear as an advertisement more than a review. That does not represent a problem in itself, but as previously mentioned it does affect the credibility of the reviewer/advertiser in many people's eyes.

So, is it illegal?
According to ITTF's techical leaflet T4, concerning the approval of racket coverings:
There should be no marketing of new racket coverings before the authorisation has been published. If a racket covering is marketed before the racket covering appears in LARC, the authorisation is void. However, the racket covering may appear in sales brochures etc. provided the validity date is clearly mentioned.
Advertising in itself does not constitute marketing in the meaning that T4 uses. It seems to me that there must be an active effort to "bring the product to market", either as a blatant sales pitch line not disclosing the fact that approval is pending, or actual distribution to the general public for trial and purchase. The OP, as well as Stiga's ads on their own site and elsewhere, clearly state "available from May", and also (according to himself) the reviewer here only had the rubbers for a limited time. I also noted that there were only red rubbers, so there is no way to use those rackets for competition play. Not sure whether that is significant...
I believe that Andro did not adhere to that marketing rule, but rather that they did sell their Rasant before it was officially approved (e.g. to people visiting Andro's booths at sports fairs). Not entirely certain about that with Andro, but Stiga seems in the clear, though (at least by the couple of advertisements I have seen).

So, is an apology in order?
Well, there was some name calling and other. Some agression is in order in a heated argument, and sometimes an apology is called for. I can't say one way or the other. I guess all posters might look through their own comments and responses and decide for themselves.

I can't see any war between TT forums, nor any reason for such conflict. Some posters seem to use that imagined controversy as a point to degrade other posters' credibility. As for me, I am an active member in the OOAK forum, and mostly only a reader in other TT forums. Hold that against me, if you wish...

CJ
03-03-2013, 05:54 PM
Check the Rasant history for a comparable story.



Thx for clearing this all up, Mark. But still my criticism holds and apparently some of the posters are agreeing with me this (might) look like an advertisement. Maybe you could take this into account when making the next review video. IMO the video and Dan should send out neutrality, not affiliation with brand X. His credibility will go way up when he'll be doing that.



Indeed, we are:

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=17933&start=1875

Haggisv probably stumbled on my reference to this topic in MNNB's blog. You might read it sometimes: it's a quite critical blog. Besides, I don't think you know haggisv is the head moderator of the OOAK forum. I don't think his mission is to tackle Dan's forum and vice versa.

I don't think either Elvis or some of the others should apologize for airing their opinion or both parties should apologize.

Elvis should definetely apologise for insulting the entire forum as for Haggisv he backs him up which means he is also in the wrong. I didn't say I think ttdaily is better then OAKK I just prefer it as I've watched it grow from the start.

CJ
03-03-2013, 05:59 PM
First things first, the initial response from Elvis56 that "... this is an advertisement".
The original post had prominent images of the packaging for the rubbers, and also the video had intermittent splashes of Stiga marketing slogans, some with images of known TT champions. While the TT action and spoken content does constitute a reasonable review (and it was stated that there was too limited time for an in depth review), those graphical elements make it appear as an advertisement more than a review. That does not represent a problem in itself, but as previously mentioned it does affect the credibility of the reviewer/advertiser in many people's eyes.

So, is it illegal?
According to ITTF's techical leaflet T4, concerning the approval of racket coverings:
There should be no marketing of new racket coverings before the authorisation has been published. If a racket covering is marketed before the racket covering appears in LARC, the authorisation is void. However, the racket covering may appear in sales brochures etc. provided the validity date is clearly mentioned.
Advertising in itself does not constitute marketing in the meaning that T4 uses. It seems to me that there must be an active effort to "bring the product to market", either as a blatant sales pitch line not disclosing the fact that approval is pending, or actual distribution to the general public for trial and purchase. The OP, as well as Stiga's ads on their own site and elsewhere, clearly state "available from May", and also (according to himself) the reviewer here only had the rubbers for a limited time. I also noted that there were only red rubbers, so there is no way to use those rackets for competition play. Not sure whether that is significant...
I believe that Andro did not adhere to that marketing rule, but rather that they did sell their Rasant before it was officially approved (e.g. to people visiting Andro's booths at sports fairs). Not entirely certain about that with Andro, but Stiga seems in the clear, though (at least by the couple of advertisements I have seen).

So, is an apology in order?
Well, there was some name calling and other. Some agression is in order in a heated argument, and sometimes an apology is called for. I can't say one way or the other. I guess all posters might look through their own comments and responses and decide for themselves.

I can't see any war between TT forums, nor any reason for such conflict. Some posters seem to use that imagined controversy as a point to degrade other posters' credibility. As for me, I am an active member in the OOAK forum, and mostly only a reader in other TT forums. Hold that against me, if you wish...


Elvis was the one who started the comparison by saying that he thinks ttdaily is for people who can't think for themselves and just follow general opinion. I have at no point stated that I don't like OOAK forums unlike Elvis who degraded ttdaily with the comment that I mentioned above hence why he should apologise

P1ngP0ng3r
03-03-2013, 06:19 PM
Can we please stop asking for apologies and stop arguing about this?

Let's get back on topic.
I'm curious about the Calibra Tour S and I'm again caught by the EJ virus :S

jmillsy2
03-03-2013, 07:14 PM
i think it would be best if we stop this argument right now.
its not nice to read at all, and quite frankly, it has the potential to make people look very silly and say things they regret.
was elvis right to make comments generalising about the people on this forum? no.
however, to pounce on him in the way certain members did was also not right.
i personally am only a member of the ttd forum, and have been from the very beginning. i also reak OOAK and find it very informative also.
i do not wish for some kind of forum v forum argument to break out. that would be quite frankly ridiculous.
elvis wrote in the ooak thread that hewont be posting here again, which is a shame.
to say that ooak are becoming jealous of ttd is ridiculous aswell.

i would advise that we drop the arguing now, please. :)

i havent watched dans vid because attack rubbers dont really interest me (lol), however I suggest that if you dsilike it, wait until someone writes a full review on tabletennisdb.com or something :)
this is the first time ive had to write a serious post like this, and i dont want to have to do it again for the wrong reasons. so if the rguing to stop now, that would be nice :)
lets get back to being a friendly tt family, shall we? :)

CJ
03-03-2013, 07:54 PM
i think it would be best if we stop this argument right now.
its not nice to read at all, and quite frankly, it has the potential to make people look very silly and say things they regret.
was elvis right to make comments generalising about the people on this forum? no.
however, to pounce on him in the way certain members did was also not right.
i personally am only a member of the ttd forum, and have been from the very beginning. i also reak OOAK and find it very informative also.
i do not wish for some kind of forum v forum argument to break out. that would be quite frankly ridiculous.
elvis wrote in the ooak thread that hewont be posting here again, which is a shame.
to say that ooak are becoming jealous of ttd is ridiculous aswell.

i would advise that we drop the arguing now, please. :)

i havent watched dans vid because attack rubbers dont really interest me (lol), however I suggest that if you dsilike it, wait until someone writes a full review on tabletennisdb.com or something :)
this is the first time ive had to write a serious post like this, and i dont want to have to do it again for the wrong reasons. so if the arguing to stop now, that would be nice :)
lets get back to being a friendly tt family, shall we? :)

I agree I didn't want to have an argument in the first place I apologise that I went off topic but I couldn't just sit back and let my words get twisted and told I was out of order when I felt I hadn't been. Thanks :)

Dan
03-03-2013, 08:14 PM
Hey all,

I have been away all weekend at the English Nationals So I haven't been able to reply.

Firstly to everyone, this is actually my first review I have ever attempted. I take on board all of your responses both positive and negative and appreciate your time in giving your opinion on this review. I hope this will help me develop and make better reviews in the near future.

Personally, my point of view is this... The Stiga rubbers are still in the testing phase and are not officially released until May 2013 as mentioned in the video. Stiga wanted me to review the comparison between the soft, medium and hard of this specific rubber and for me to tell them which one I preferred.

Once the final version of this rubber is released in May, I can definitely do a full in-depth review comparing other rubbers from various brands. Any ideas on which rubbers should be considered would be much appreciated.

This argument over which forum is better is irrelevant and I respect every website which is trying to promote table tennis and I hope you all do the same :)

Please lets all have a great time here, and enjoy this wonderful community and opportunity we have in sharing table tennis over the internet.

revulucao
03-03-2013, 08:19 PM
some interesting result from the nationals Dan?

Dan
03-03-2013, 08:29 PM
some interesting result from the nationals Dan?

Yeah Revulucao :) Sam Walker has improved loads since living in Germany. He played fantastic lost in semis to Paul Drinkhall. Liam Pitchford won the final defeating Paul 4-2.

Womens singles final was epic. Kelly beat Joanna 4-3. Amazing rallies, defence vs attack!

Sent from my S2 using Tapatalk 2

revulucao
03-03-2013, 09:59 PM
Liam Pitchford can do interesting things! i hope he improve and can dispute europeans for example.

YosuaYosan
03-04-2013, 04:31 AM
Neat review Dan!
I thought that it is going to be done in writing but it's still awesome nevertheless..

Since it is a Stiga product, I think it is quite cool if you could compare the Stiga Calibra line and Stiga Calibra Tour line..
Probably Stiga have made some kind of improvement from the Calibra product line, no?

RebTT
03-04-2013, 04:50 AM
The video is nicely produced but it would be nice to have heard any drawbacks to the rubbers, if any (there is almost always some trade-off). Stiga, like other manufacturers, give out samples of rubbers to try and hope to get such glowing reviews made of their upcoming products. I don't think, while seeming like an ad, this review could be classed as official marketing unless Stiga actually commissioned it. Really just a clever way to get around the rules maybe, but in effect, nothing has been done wrong because even if the video were classed as "official" it could be classed as a catalog with the rubber release date clearly stated (as required by the T4 leaflet Keme has quoted).

Everyone who does reviews on TT forums tends to express their opinion at the time of review (and sometimes be over-zealous about the positives and forget the negatives), and thats really all Dan has done here. He is guilty of nothing most reviewers including myself have been of before, except the video presentation with its inserted branding put it more in your face, thats all. As a reviewer myself, I know opinions can change in time, especially when the next big thing comes along. But on a forum everyone is entitled to their opinion. It helps if everyone respects that, but not everyone will always. Its the nature of the internet. However, I think TT forums are well complimented by members who share information and opinions across forums. I myself am mainly on the OOAK forum, but have been a member here for quite a while, but rarely post here. I wouldn't have read this thread without it being on MNNB's blog either, but I'm glad it was as I enjoyed the video...especially getting a look at Dan's TT skills! That's the advantage of "cross-forumming"!

UpSideDownCarl
03-04-2013, 05:24 AM
Two, it doesn't mention anything negative about the new rubber.

I actually think this is a great piece of information. I think it is also accurate. Knowing Dan a little, I know he is a positive kind of guy. So it does not surprise me. But you can take any rubber, Tenergy, for example and examine what it is not good at as well. For instance, Tenergy 05 is not so great for chopping. :) Tenergy 05 is decent for serving and pushing, but there are loads of rubbers that are a lot better for these things.

Knowing what a rubber does well AND what it does not do as well would be quite helpful in an unbiased review.

That being said, I do think Dan was trying to review these rubbers and say what they do well and show what they do well.

So, the review could say something like, you can generate pretty decent spin with the Medium rubber, but there are other rubbers which do generate more spin without having to make a real comparison to any other specific rubber. My guess is that these rubbers are also acceptable for pushing but, because they have a sponge that is on the bouncy side, they might not be as good for pushing as many other rubbers that are not as offensive. In fact, in the video, as Dan is saying they are good for short game, you can see, when he pushes, that, on many of his pushes, the ball bounces up off his rubber instead of touching forward which shows they are actually not so great for pushing. :)

A player who is used to the rubber might be able to push very effectively with a speed glue effect offensive rubber, but it still would be useful to know if these rubbers do not do this so well in comparison to, say, a good tacky rubber that has a sort of dead an non bouncy sponge.

Even between the three: Which one is worst at looping underpin? From the video, it looks like the hard one is.

The things that these rubbers do not do well in comparison to each other, may be hinted at by the fact that the positives are emphasized. Therefore, the things that each rubber does not do well is not emphasized.

So Dan says he gets good topspin from the hard rubber, but then he says he gets better topspin from the medium rubber. :) The hard rubber does not topspin as well. :)

Dan says the soft rubber has a great sound and gets loads of spin and is good for big swings and play away from the table. The subtext is, IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS THE MEDIUM RUBBER, AT MID DISTANCE OR CLOSE TO THE TABLE. :)

For the backhand the hard rubber is good for hitting hard and flat. It is "good" for spin, but, not as good as the other two. In other words, the hard version is not so good at spinning for the backhand. :)

So, all this is in the video. But, it is true, it is worth saying things as they are. It is okay to say, hey the hard version has acceptable topspin but it is the worst one for generating heavy topspin. The soft one is good for far from the table but it is not good at close to the table. The hard one is good for flat hitting, but the medium one is still better because you can smack the ball but you can also get better variations on spin.

So, I think this point by Lorre is an excellent one and well worth looking at.

deano18
03-04-2013, 11:09 AM
Hey Dan
Great review I think the medium will suit my game to and will definately try it out when its released!

Tom
03-04-2013, 05:08 PM
I don't think its unfair, I actually think the OOAK members have been quite disrespectful with their comments. Dan has been polite and taken the views on board. It seems that a few people wish to cause problems on this website because of preferences to others. When in actual fact they are not competition to each other,both websites are doing a great deal for the world of table tennis.....so lets leave out the nastiness guys :)

ttdaily is a great website and I know for a fact puts a hell of a lot off effort in.

I also know Dan has reviewed these rubbers from a personal view point and is just trying to improve the website by adding new features! :)

peace

haggisv
03-05-2013, 11:45 AM
As some of you probably know, I'm admin of OOAK forum. Dan and I are friends, and we've spoken about this thread and how it seems to have divided the 2 forums. I would not have posted here again in the fear of making things worse, but Dan asked me to post something to try and restore the peace, so I'm happy to try.

We would both like nothing better than to put any differences between OOAK and TTdaily members behind us. The two forums have different styles, which will appeal to different members. But we all share the love of our game, and our passion to promote and grow our sport. It would be so much better if we can focus on what we have in common, instead of quibbling about some differences.

A few comments that were posted here that some felt were harsh, while others felt it needed to be said. It's only natural for Dan's many friends here to try and defend him, and similarly for friends of the others to back those member that were critical. Because both forums are like communities where they have many friends, it's not surprising they were labelled as OOAK or TTD members, whereas in reality they are just individuals backing up their friends. I personally spoke up because I felt a friend was being judged on being an OOAK member not simply on his opinion, which I feel is unfair. As a result I seemed to have made things worse on this forum, and for that I've apologised to Dan, and I apologise to the ttdaily members if that upset you.

I can't speak for others, but I would ask that we please forgive and forget, and instead focus back on passion for the sport we share, and possibly even think about how the two forums can work together in future, sharing ideas and perhaps propose changes for the good of our sport.

Dan runs a great forum here, and I wish him and the great community here nothing but the best. We already have many members that visit both forums, and I do hope that everyone is made to feel welcome in both forums, and are seen a fellow players and TT fans, not as a rival forum member.

Thanks for reading guys... I do hope this message helps restore the peace and friendship, which is my only intention.

UpSideDownCarl
03-05-2013, 03:12 PM
I do hope this message helps restore the peace and friendship, which is my only intention.

Here, here. Wonderful post haggisv. I personally think that your previous post and Lorre's post were quite good posts and I am not sure why there was any more fuss after either of them. I did not see an us vs them attitude from either post and I did not see them as trying to heighten tension. Both posts were valid perspectives. It is okay to have a discussion where people do have different perspectives. There is nothing wrong with that.

In looking at the outset of tension in the posts from this thread, to me, reading, it looks like Elvis56 presented an opinion that actually has some validity and then was sort of attacked. Then the discussion got off track. I can understand us TTDaily guys getting defensive. I love how we support each other and are behind Dan, who is a great guy and does his best to make the site fun and positive. But I think Dan handled his response to Elvis56's comments quite well without heightening the tension. But, unfortunately, the discussion got off track anyway, with members trying to defend Dan when Dan really did not need to be defended. I also see Elvis56's decision to step out of the discussion a mature response to try and dissipate the dispute.

haggisv, I respect your opinions and think we, here at ttdaily should really just get back on subject. So, thank you for the time you spent to write that thoughtful piece. And lets get back to reviewing these rubbers. :)

Looks to me, from Dan's review, that the rubber which is most versatile and does the most things well is the medium sponge.

One thing I would like to ask Dan, in comparison to other Speed Glue effect offensive rubbers out there, just in general (no need to mention brands) how would you rate the Medium Sponge [On a scale from 1-10, 1 being worse than all others 10 being better than anything else out there]:

1) How would you rate the amount of spin you were able to get on your loops?

2) How would you rate the control?

3) How would you rate the speed?

In other words 8 would be an extremely good rating and 9 would be pretty much as good a rating as you can give because it would mean that there is no rubber out there that is really any better than the Medium Sponge and it is something you really might think of switching to. 7 would be pretty decent. And 5 or 4 would mean that it is just a pretty regular rubber for a speed glue effect rubber.

Lorre
03-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Here, here. Wonderful post haggisv. I personally think that your previous post and Lorre's post were quite good posts and I am not sure why there was any more fuss after either of them. I did not see an us vs them attitude from either post and I did not see them as trying to heighten tension. Both posts were valid perspectives. It is okay to have a discussion where people do have different perspectives. There is nothing wrong with that.

In looking at the outset of tension in the posts from this thread, to me, reading, it looks like Elvis56 presented an opinion that actually has some validity and then was sort of attacked. Then the discussion got off track. I can understand us TTDaily guys getting defensive. I love how we support each other and are behind Dan, who is a great guy and does his best to make the site fun and positive. But I think Dan handled his response to Elvis56's comments quite well without heightening the tension. But, unfortunately, the discussion got off track anyway, with members trying to defend Dan when Dan really did not need to be defended. I also see Elvis56's decision to step out of the discussion a mature response to try and dissipate the dispute.

Can't agree more.

xu xin
03-06-2013, 08:37 AM
Really want to try this new rubbers :)

UpSideDownCarl
03-06-2013, 08:51 PM
I guess I would also like to know the durability of these rubbers, but we cannot really know how long they last till they are used for a few months. :)

dici
03-07-2013, 08:48 AM
Carl, I think I can ask your question on the durability lol... as my experience on stiga rubber, for those soft one, max 2-3 months before they chipped out real bad :(

As for the review, the conclusion was not bad. But I think the main missing points will be a more thorough comparison between these 3 rubbers. I can feel the difference between them from the video, however, since I'm not the one test it, the feeling just won't tell me the exact differences on each FH/BH and etc hitting for each rubber. Especially for the BH, serve and short play part, Dan, you probably want to mention what kind of rubber it is.

Dan
03-12-2013, 11:29 PM
A little more footage I took whilst testing the Stiga Calibra Tour rubbers with Bristol Table Tennis Academy members, Tom Maynard and Jekwon Choi.

Tom found the rubbers to be fast with good control, Jekwon reported that he really liked the soft rubber as he is a powerful player and likes to take one extra step of the table. He also said he could generate more spin with the soft rubber as there was more dwell time on the ball.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS8hIzPvJpg&feature=youtu.be

Tom
03-12-2013, 11:49 PM
Was great fun testing these rubbers, they had great power and control like Dan mentioned in the video. Personally I think i will stick with my Tenergy but i'm looking forward to when stiga release the final versions! :)

RIPPER
03-13-2013, 03:00 AM
Hey dan, nice video review by the way! ;) I like how you compared them to one another and tried them out by doing a spinny loop followed by a faster loop. Immense reviewing skills in how you highlighted your fav one and which ones were used for different distances from the table...nice controlling skills by the way too emily ;)

Ian
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
I play with Stiga Calibra Sound rubbers at the moment so the new Soft appeals to me. Any ideas on how much they might cost when they come out?

And on a sidenote: Dan, you've got sick serves mate, lol

Dan
03-13-2013, 05:21 PM
Hey dan, nice video review by the way! ;) I like how you compared them to one another and tried them out by doing a spinny loop followed by a faster loop. Immense reviewing skills in how you highlighted your fav one and which ones were used for different distances from the table...nice controlling skills by the way too emily ;)

Thanks for the positive feedback Ripper, glad you liked the review :)


I play with Stiga Calibra Sound rubbers at the moment so the new Soft appeals to me. Any ideas on how much they might cost when they come out?

And on a sidenote: Dan, you've got sick serves mate, lol

You will like the soft version I am sure :) It is very nice, and you can get good spin and arc on the ball. I am not to sure at all on the costs, will be interesting, I'm sure it will be similar to Calibra Sound rubbers or LT.

Haha thanks on the serves, I practiced them for hours on end when I injured my back. I may do a service tutorial soon :)

Baal
03-15-2013, 05:12 PM
Whew! There are some harsh criticisms on this thread that I wasn't expecting.

Let me introduce myself. I am Mark Kinlocke and I've been playing TT on and off for the past 50yrs or so. I am an active umpire, a qualified TT coach and an enthusiastic EJ.
I also like photography and I did the camera work behind the video. Videography is new to me but I am learning.
When Dan told me that he had these rubbers to review, it was me who suggested that we do a video rather than the usual write up. I also strongly advised him as to what to say, what to wear and the filming took place at my club, the Bristol Civil Service TTC. It was me who made sure that we played on a Stiga table. I even went so far as to cover the Butterfly logo on the net stand. The idea was that this was a review of Stiga equipment and there should not be the distraction of having other brands in clear view. When we do Butterfly and other brands, we’ll do the same for them. Dan did the editing as he's brilliant at it.
So most of the criticisms should be levelled at me, not Dan.

The direction in the video was deliberate as I believe that it takes at least 3-4 months of constant usage to get to know any equipment properly. For a fairly short, non-scientific review like this, I believe that it is better to show and demonstrate the characteristics and leave viewers to make up their own mind.
Dan will be doing other reviews with equipment from the other brands. I also have a few ideas about looking at presenting some of the technique issues raised in other threads using videos to give a fresh view of stuff.
Yes please, critique all you want with the bad and good. It will all serve to us making improved videos in the future.
BTW, I did not tell Dan that I was going to write this.

Here is one suggestion for improvement made with the best of intentions. Perhaps Dan should mention one or two things that he DOESN'T like about each rubber. It's a review. By definition reviewers write their opinions. Opinions are not the Word of God, but they are useful. We can weigh them. Choosing a rubber often entails balancing different aspects. You gain a little here, you lose a little there. On another forum, you mentioned some things about the hard version of this rubber that were much more useful than anything Dan said here. I watched the video again. Pretty much the video shows Dan playing (very well) and pretty much saying these rubbers are fast and spinny and controlled. Compared to what? Saying that it takes months of constant usage to get to know a rubber is not really true. If you really believed this, you would not have written your impressions of the hard versions of this Tour Calibra at MYTT! Surely you can get an initial sense of what they are good for in about five minutes, especially guys at Dan's level and your level of EJ experience. I also think the "product placement" aspect makes it look like an ad, even if that was not the intent. Just something to think about. At the same time, I hope you will continue to do these. Also, Dan, if you want to chime in here, I would honestly love to hear more about how these rubbers felt for you. I'm not trying to add to any flame wars, just giving an impression.

Dan
03-16-2013, 12:40 AM
Here is one suggestion for improvement made with the best of intentions. Perhaps Dan should mention one or two things that he DOESN'T like about each rubber. It's a review. By definition reviewers write their opinions. Opinions are not the Word of God, but they are useful. We can weigh them. Choosing a rubber often entails balancing different aspects. You gain a little here, you lose a little there. On another forum, you mentioned some things about the hard version of this rubber that were much more useful than anything Dan said here. I watched the video again. Pretty much the video shows Dan playing (very well) and pretty much saying these rubbers are fast and spinny and controlled. Compared to what? Saying that it takes months of constant usage to get to know a rubber is not really true. If you really believed this, you would not have written your impressions of the hard versions of this Tour Calibra at MYTT! Surely you can get an initial sense of what they are good for in about five minutes, especially guys at Dan's level and your level of EJ experience. I also think the "product placement" aspect makes it look like an ad, even if that was not the intent. Just something to think about. At the same time, I hope you will continue to do these. Also, Dan, if you want to chime in here, I would honestly love to hear more about how these rubbers felt for you. I'm not trying to add to any flame wars, just giving an impression.

Firstly, thanks for all the constructive feedback to everyone here on TTD,

Hi Baal, thanks for your comment. I understand what your saying and will take into consideration your comments for future equipment reviews :) During the video editing, I thought it would be an idea to place the Stiga products (hard, medium & soft) in the video so viewers new which rubber I was using as I felt like the video was a bit all over the place. For example, one minute there was a shot with me playing a forehand with the Hard rubber, then the next min with a medium rubber and so fourth. So I thought placing products would make it easier for users to understand what was being tested. Once I had processed the video I then realized it did look like an advertisement due to all the product placements but I thought it would be easier for you guys really.

I guess it was my first review, I hope to make them better in the future. Also, I would just like to note to everyone, this is just a playing review and I will explain some negatives I had with a certain product in the future :)

Thanks everyone :) Have a nice weekend, look out for the Asia-Euro Challenge, will be awesome!

jedimasterplk
03-17-2013, 02:43 PM
Dan, I would be very keen to hear your thoughts on how the new (medium soft ) Calibra tour compared to calibra LT....namely speed, spin and throw angle. One of the greatest strengths of calibra LT was counter topspining - off and on the table - simply amazing...so your input on these areas would be invaluable. Cheers mate!

Ovtcharov-Fan
03-30-2013, 11:36 AM
What´s the grip of the Calibra Tour rubbers like? Can someone compare it with the Magnas or ESN Tensors like Hexer/Genius?
Does the topsheet have a higher percentage of natural rubber?

Der_Echte
03-30-2013, 04:17 PM
That seems very unfair and totally unfounded. I have a great deal of respect for both these members, and to imply that their opinions are based on resentment of ttdaily becoming more popular and a threat to OOAK is quite disrespectful to them, and I'm sure totally unfounded.
Sorry to get this thread off track Dan, but I felt this had to be said.

I post just more than a mite at OOAK (and other places) and am not a Stiga boy by any stretch, although I do get a lot of its gear from Nexy TAK9.com, I still prefer German Tibhar stuff, including rubbers and uniforms.

No one will accuse me of being an OOAK to TTD infiltrator or Stiga favored reviewer.

Having said that, I have had a chance to hit with Tour on a Nexy designed Tibhar Inca prototype blade.

Really liked the Tour on my full swings as much or more than Calibra LT, which I used for a spell on FH, before going full time to Aurus.

I didn't have much expectations for it, but the feel and control were better than Calibra LT.

Der_Echte
03-30-2013, 04:23 PM
Ovt-fan, it ddin't have the grip of say T05 or the same sound/feel, but wow, the control and possible spin were there.

Der_Echte
03-30-2013, 04:26 PM
Jedi, you liked the very thing that attracted me to Calibra LT in the first place - the ability to counter topspin.

jedimasterplk
03-30-2013, 10:27 PM
Jedi, you liked the very thing that attracted me to Calibra LT in the first place - the ability to counter topspin.

Der Echte - I still have not found anything that loops, and counterloops, with the same pace, power and spin like Calibra LT - well boosted of course

Der_Echte
03-31-2013, 01:55 AM
Unboosted Calibra LT that i used on the TBS was simply the bomb of high gear counter-looping from mid distance. Nothing I ever tried approaches this quality. That is what initially attracted me to Calibra LT. I can manage the other shots OK enough with Calibra LT, but after a while, I realized that landing a few more shots on my other strokes has more value. Not all shots in a rally are counter looping shots in my sorry-azz level of div 2 city or Div 3 national. Therefore after I used Aurus on Fh a week, I knew I found my FH rubber to kick Tenergy to the curb. I have used it sucessfully over one year on Fh wing.

Even though my test hit with Tour was very brief, I was impressed. It had ALMOST Calibra power on counterloops, but it had feel and control on other shots.

If Nexy TAK9.com were to toss me a sheet of it to use for a tourney, I'd use it and not have to adjust too much. For now, I have plenty of Aurus left (even bought a couple more sheets) and and seeing how Evolution EL-X is working out on FH. So far, it is every bit as good as Aurus and sounds/feels a tick better. If I didn't (pretty sure I have though) mention it before, Nexy TAK9.com is the Korea distributor for Stiga, as well as Tibhar. MOST of my Jerseys are from Tibhar, but I have a couple Stiga kits I wear that look great.

I am mainly a Tibhar pimp, but I speak my mind. As many of Nexy blades I have tested and posted reviews, TBS has forever ben my main blade with right now a temporary spell of long term testing the M. Maze. I will likely use the Tibhar Inca or Nexy Arirang in the upcoming National Open tourneys in the next few months with reviews of course.

I think that internet forums are great for connecting and sharing data, opinions, experience, and teaching. Impossible to do on 1/10 this level a 10-20 years ago.

I think that many veteran TT forum posters know pretty well who is for real and who is pimping their sponsors a bit.

I think that there cannot be enough of reviews.

Reviewing a product is fun and it also causes the reviewer to actually think what is important and articulate that in an understandble and meaningful way special to us TT Warriors.

Drive on Dan, you good people and this is a good site. I post on many TT forums with this name and also BH-Man on some others. If your site was garbage, Many of us wouldn't be around here. Haggisv also has a great site too. There is a lot of quality in our TT world.

revulucao
03-31-2013, 02:40 AM
can someone please compare to me bluefire vs calibra? i need a new rubber for BH. For Fh i was thinking in H3 but i can accept suggestions

Ovtcharov-Fan
04-27-2013, 01:01 PM
What´s the hardness of the Tour S like? I´m afraid the S will be too soft while the M might be too hard. I´m looking for something medium-soft on my backhand- it shouldn´t be harder than medium.

TableTennisDaily
04-28-2013, 06:15 AM
What´s the hardness of the Tour S like? I´m afraid the S will be too soft while the M might be too hard. I´m looking for something medium-soft on my backhand- it shouldn´t be harder than medium.

This is as much information as we have at the moment buddy: http://stigatabletennis.com/en/2013/02/stiga-calibra-tour-new-rubbers-available-in-may-2013/

cloren
05-25-2013, 06:52 AM
I have changed my equipment during my days in the WTTC. Now I play with Calibra Tour, M in the FH and S in the BH. Also I changed my blade, now I play with Stigal Clipper Wood. The combination is great, especially I'm very happy with the BH (short game, block, topspin).
Regarding Tour M in the FH is quite fast and very spinny but I need more days of training with it as I used to play with T05.

cloren
05-25-2013, 07:00 AM
What´s the hardness of the Tour S like? I´m afraid the S will be too soft while the M might be too hard. I´m looking for something medium-soft on my backhand- it shouldn´t be harder than medium.


S is like 37º, I have it in my BH and I am very happy, but maybe in your case you should go for M.

ttboll
05-25-2013, 07:56 AM
I used to play with Tenergy on my BH and FH. Now I have also tried out the Calibra Tour rubbers and at the beginning it seemed that they cant replace Tenergy but now i have played with them about one week and I am starting to enjoy them.
My game is based on speed and mainly to my FH, with BH I play a little bit softer game. So To my FH I chose soft sponge Calibra Tour S, and to my BH Calibra TOur M which is medium-hard sponged rubber.
With The Calibra Tour S on my FH I can generate just as much as speed as I need and at the same time it has a perfect control in any game situation.
As my BH is not so reliable, I was looking for a rubber with good control. THe numbers say that Tour S has better control than Tour M, which is in my BH. But i cant make any difference. Tour M is very secure on my BH.
What is more, I enjoy the sound of the rubbers. Its the same sound that was before the speed glue ban.
So , i recommend to players , who have the same style as me also the same combination of rubbers that I play.
And I really reccommend to try out to everyone the Calibra Tour rubbers. From here you can get it with a good prize aswell. http://www.pingpong.ee/pood/2-Rubbers/2-Stiga

Der_Echte
05-26-2013, 03:15 AM
Nexy.com gave me a free sheet of the Hard "H" version of Stiga Calibra Tour.

I water glued it to the M. Maze and I really did not like it. I promptly took it off and gave it to one of our KFTTC aces Ming along with a new Calix II blade. He will test it our and post results himself or thorough me. Nexy president wanted me to play the upcoming tourney with this, but since M. Maze is now disabled due to a club member walking into the path of my swing in a match, I am using a flexy ALL+/OFF- blade and on that one, Tibhar Evolution EL-P is working out too good to pass up.

Spinandspeed
06-09-2013, 03:26 PM
Hey Dan,
is the Calibra Tour M good for playing Topspin against backspin? How high is the arc?

P1ngP0ng3r
06-09-2013, 06:32 PM
I'm in doubt: Calibra Tour S or Evolution FX-P.
Is there anyone who tried both? I can't make up my mind :S

Spinandspeed
06-13-2013, 04:35 AM
Hey guys, I will try out the Calibra Tour M Rubber on BTY Innerforce AL. If someone wants me to compare it with other rubbers, tell me with which ones! Then I will Write my own review.

decoy
06-13-2013, 05:08 AM
tour m vs Lt or Omega 4 asia

Dan
06-13-2013, 11:47 AM
Hey Dan,
is the Calibra Tour M good for playing Topspin against backspin? How high is the arc?

I found it good against backspin as the rubber has a little softness to it so heavy backspin balls were quite easy for me to spin. In the video you can see there is a lot of throw on the ball.

swombi
06-24-2013, 10:55 PM
I found it good against backspin as the rubber has a little softness to it so heavy backspin balls were quite easy for me to spin. In the video you can see there is a lot of throw on the ball.

Between new calibras tour and calibras lt which produces more spin?

Dan
06-24-2013, 11:04 PM
Between new calibras tour and calibras lt which produces more spin?

Hey buddy, I am not to sure as I have not used Calibra LT much so I cannot compare. I doubt the rubbers have to much of a difference in spin.

Welcome to the site! :)

P1ngP0ng3r
06-25-2013, 06:08 AM
Does anyone playes with both Tour S and Evolution FX-P? I wonder how these 2 compare. Many thanks!

PolishTT
07-03-2013, 12:55 PM
is there a resemblance on any tenergy?

kjanko
07-03-2013, 01:17 PM
is there a resemblance on any tenergy?
I've ordered Tour S[max] yesterday so I'll be able to answer your question in a week :)

cloren
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
After a month trying calibra tour m in my FH with a clipper wood, I gave up, I did not feel confortable, my topspin was weak. I replace it for a xiom omega pro, which I knew already, and I have to say that it is a great combination. However I keep calibra tour s in my backhand. It is great, powerfull but with control in the short game. I must say that my current combo is what I have been looking for,,,,for a long time.

Dan
07-05-2013, 10:34 PM
After a month trying calibra tour m in my FH with a clipper wood, I gave up, I did not feel confortable, my topspin was weak. I replace it for a xiom omega pro, which I knew already, and I have to say that it is a great combination. However I keep calibra tour s in my backhand. It is great, powerfull but with control in the short game. I must say that my current combo is what I have been looking for,,,,for a long time.

Yeah I found Calibra Tour very nice for the backhand side, the soft version gives you a lot of control especially against the backspin balls and to generate power. Thanks for your review buddy.

decoy
07-05-2013, 11:41 PM
got the M and H today.. only tried the M on my current blade. feels bit soft for a medium hardenss rubber Tour H feels more like a medium rubber..
H even feels softer than 05fx but not by much

anyway with the way the topsheets are made the rubber is definitely good against backspin.

spin generation is fairly easy typycal mechanical spin. so it seems it should be a good rubber to counter heavy topspin as well. not sure what its like to use on Fh, only used it for RPB.

the dwell time on this rubber is very noticeable with the soft topsheet and sponge. the sponge feels like it should be made for soft short pips perhaps.. perhaps someone might wanna try and rip up a sponge and try an SP topsheet on it? disaster?

anyway easy rubber to use .. slower than Mx-P bout the same speed as Omega4 asia but more catapult/spring.

control is ok i suppose you cant be to passive with it. you gotta have a fairly tight grip you will loose a good bit of control with a loose grip.. i suppose that goes for any rubber..

ive also got Omega Tour ( sidenote: after looking at the OT packaging therre are meant to be 3 other versions of it : PRO, Asia , Europe)
Vega Japan : harder than vega asia

Spinandspeed
07-07-2013, 12:27 PM
My review:
I tested Calibra Tour M now for weeks and I have to say that I'm really convinced that it is the perfect rubber for me. Techniques:
FH - Topspin against Block: I feel comfortable when playing topspin against block because the rubber has a high arc which is really important for me especially when I play from mid-distance
FH - Block against Topspin: Here the Calibra Tour M is very stable. I don't do any easy faults but i don't have the "ultimate" feeling. Just stable.
FH - Topspin against backspin: That is really awesome. You can change the speed or spin of the ball very easy and you don't have to have a perfect contact for playing a good ball. Very easy to play!Love it!
FH - Long push: Good control but nothing special.
FH - Short push: Heavy control. Really awesome for me.
FH - Receive(Sidespin serve): Like short push. Incredible control when pushing and receiving over the table.
FH - Flip: Wasn't the best. Don't know why but I was hitting more balls on the table with my old rubber.

Hope you liked it!

PolishTT
07-07-2013, 01:38 PM
Sounds really good, but i have to see you game now Spinandspeed xD but did you ever play a Tenergy and felt any resemblance to the Calibra? This would be the best review for me :D But it really seems to be a great rubber!

decoy
07-07-2013, 08:32 PM
yup i think the new gen time is here... with the new tibhar stuff and the new calibra. i think they did what tenergy did years ago

Dan
08-08-2013, 08:40 PM
Hey, I tried calibra lt on my tube carbo for penhold forehand and too hard. What would the new tour version Medium be like on forehand in comparison?

Hey Paul, welcome to the site :) Yeah there is a noticeable difference actually between the hard and medium. I think if you found the hard version to hard then try out the Medium. If you felt comfortable with the rubber and need it a little softer go for the tour M.

Let us know how it goes :)

Dan
08-08-2013, 08:46 PM
Sounds really good, but i have to see you game now Spinandspeed xD but did you ever play a Tenergy and felt any resemblance to the Calibra? This would be the best review for me :D But it really seems to be a great rubber!

Hey! Yeah it would have been nice to have some more match play, I will include this in upcoming reviews.
Thank you for the feedback buddy :)

LethalForehand
08-08-2013, 08:55 PM
I have a question. If the Tour series rely on mechanical spin mostly, how can you generate spin on serves, where you ideally want to use the topsheet only to brush the ball, not the spogne?
thanks

kjanko
08-09-2013, 03:44 AM
I have a question. If the Tour series rely on mechanical spin mostly, how can you generate spin on serves, where you ideally want to use the topsheet only to brush the ball, not the spogne?
thanks

You throw the ball high and let it sink in the sponge.

Cornerer
08-09-2013, 10:51 AM
Which means don't serve short or opponents will just keep flicking your serves.

kjanko
08-09-2013, 02:53 PM
Which means don't serve short or opponents will just keep flicking your serves.

Practice. And you serve short with any rubber.

Cornerer
08-09-2013, 04:42 PM
Sry for not explaining my statement. I didn't mean it's impossible to serve short but more like u're gonna have trouble of generating enough spin for short serves to prevent opponents from flicking. Fast serves suit Calibras better.


EDIT: same can be said for short games. close-to-net chops are just disasters (not because of control)for this type of rubber. I've also found the Omega IV series to have the same problem

LethalForehand
08-09-2013, 05:13 PM
haha, thats what I figured. These rubbers are not for tactical serve-based game thats for sure. that said, probably difficult to play at higher levels with it too, because pple loop the crap out of long serves

DenisMarra98
08-10-2013, 10:01 AM
Fantastic rewiew!