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Due to complaints and the fact China are now so dominant in Table Tennis, China are now going to help train the Europeans it seems. European table tennis players will be able to en-role on a 4 year educational course that combines TT with Studies, even if your not professional they will prove they can make you a pro! Read on :)

China to train foreigners in ping pong
by Malcolm Moore, Shanghai 6:00AM GMT 27 Dec 2010

China is to train foreign ping pong players after complaints that the country's dominance in the sport was making international matches look one-sided and ridiculous.

From next September, foreign ping pong players will be able to enrol for four-year courses at a new Chinese Academy of Table Tennis in Shanghai.

Yang Peifang, the vice party secretary of the new academy, said that since China was at the top of the ping pong pyramid, it had to take foreign "lambs" and "breed them into wolves" to encourage competition.

"If the foreign student is already quite good at the table, we will teach him ping pong theory. If not, we can improve his skills at the table too," said Mr Yang, who said the secret of China's success over the years has been a mastery of both technique and ping pong strategy.

Eventually, Chinese officials said, the 300 students at the academy would be split half-and-half between Chinese and foreigners.

Coaches at the academy include Liu Guoliang and Shi Zhihao, who trained the all-conquering Chinese men's and women's teams at the Beijing Olympics.

China's clean sweep at the Olympics saw it take gold, silver and bronze medals in both the men's and women's competitions and gold in both team events. It was the first time a country has won every available medal at the games. At the time, the Chinese public joked that ping pong was "the game with the most certain result".

Foreign players may have to adapt to a Chinese regime however, which usually involves up to seven hours of training each day and fewer than two weeks holiday a year. Chinese Olympians also boost their skills by playing one against two.

The Shanghai government will underwrite the £13 million start-up cost of the school and is eventually hoping to establish branches overseas to train more players.

Ping pong became China's national sport under Chairman Mao, who once called upon Chinese players to "look at a ping pong ball like the head of your capitalist enemy". He added: "Hit it with the bat of socialism, and you will win a point for the fatherland".

Mao eventually moderated his stance, however, and "ping pong diplomacy" helped China thaw its relations with the United States in the 1970s after a friendship emerged between Glenn Cowan, of the US ping pong team and Zhuang Zeding, the legendary Chinese player.

A handshake between the two men at the World championship in Nagoya, Japan, in 1971 persuaded Mao to invite the US team to China, the first time an American team had stepped foot in the country since the Communists came to power in 1949.

The success of that trip, during which many of the Chinese players threw their matches to allow their US rivals to win, paved the way for Richard Nixon's surprise visit to Beijing in 1972, the start of China's re-engagement with the world.

However, the idea that China will share its prowess has not been universally welcomed.

Jin Shan, a sports specialist at the Beijing Academy of Social Sciences asked if this "meant that Brazil should train Chinese football players?"

As Boris Johnson declared after the Beijing Olympics, ping pong originated on the dining tables of British aristocrats in the 1880s when it was known as wiff-waff and played with champagne corks and cigar box lids.

Source: www.ittf.com


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What are your thoughts on this?, just because of dominance does one nation need to help the rest of the world out... or is it merely because Europe hasnt quite grasped the funding that it needs if they want to produce the players they are after. Or are Europeans just not capable of excelling table tennis abilities to the levels of the Chinese. As Jin Shan did state, "does this mean that Brazil should train Chinese football players?"
 
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Yeah, I don't really like it, China has made the personal choice to invest its resources in table tennis, and now, because of their success, they are basically being forced by the international table tennis federation to train other countries' players. It's like using your own resources to train competitors so that they have a better chance to beat you.

I mean look at the women's team competition, China had won that for like 2 decades straight, but because they have been providing nearly all of the training for the Singapore team, with Liu Guoliang, the head coach of the Chinese National Team's brother as the head coach of the female team, the team became good enough to beat them in that tournament. I am not trying to make it sound like the singapore team didn't deserve it, because they obviously do, and obviously put a lot of work in to it. But the fact remains that, in sports, it's basically a zero sum game, some one wins over another, so it doesn't make sense to help the opposition.

But ultimately, China is use to all of this. The ITTF has been changing the rules in order to make it harder for China to win for half a century now. First ruling that you had to have different colors on both sides after China became too dominate and tricky in their use of paddles that had the same color on both sides.

They then took away hidden serves, making it easier for those who haven't trained as much to identify the spin of the serve.

They changed the ball size to a bigger ball, so the speed would decrease.

They changed the game from 21 points to 11 points, which allows a greater chance that luck will allow the lesser skilled player to win a game.

They took away speed glue.

And now, they are changing it so that instead of being able to send 3 players, you can only send 2, which decreases the chance China will win the Olympics.
 

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Yeah, I don't really like it, China has made the personal choice to invest its resources in table tennis, and now, because of their success, they are basically being forced by the international table tennis federation to train other countries' players. It's like using your own resources to train competitors so that they have a better chance to beat you.

I mean look at the women's team competition, China had won that for like 2 decades straight, but because they have been providing nearly all of the training for the Singapore team, with Liu Guoliang, the head coach of the Chinese National Team's brother as the head coach of the female team, the team became good enough to beat them in that tournament. I am not trying to make it sound like the singapore team didn't deserve it, because they obviously do, and obviously put a lot of work in to it. But the fact remains that, in sports, it's basically a zero sum game, some one wins over another, so it doesn't make sense to help the opposition.

But ultimately, China is use to all of this. The ITTF has been changing the rules in order to make it harder for China to win for half a century now. First ruling that you had to have different colors on both sides after China became too dominate and tricky in their use of paddles that had the same color on both sides.

They then took away hidden serves, making it easier for those who haven't trained as much to identify the spin of the serve.

They changed the ball size to a bigger ball, so the speed would decrease.

They changed the game from 21 points to 11 points, which allows a greater chance that luck will allow the lesser skilled player to win a game.

They took away speed glue.

And now, they are changing it so that instead of being able to send 3 players, you can only send 2, which decreases the chance China will win the Olympics.

Scylla24, your posts are amazing you definitely know your stuff!

i totally agree with you, i think the last few points you made tho.,.. the ittf changed the rules in order to try and make the sport look better on TV to increase world wide audience. But perhaps its to catch up with the Asians, however surely it the rule change would have an effect on the European performance to.

And yeah, I think there needs to be big investment in european TT and follow the training orders of the Chinese. Hopefully Schlager's academy can be the start of this :)
 
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Well, I do think thats part of the reason, I mean as head of a sport organization, you pretty much do as much as possible to promote it. The kind of stuff that the commissioner for the NBA does to increase popularity for the NBA is so questionable that it may border on cheating....
And in that regard, it makes sense that the heads of the ITTF, look pretty negatively on how dominating the Chinese are, and it probably does hinder other players in the world, because they may feel like, whats the point of devoting my life to this sport, when there is no chance I can beat the Chinese, who have better training, better resources at their disposal.

That being said, the rule changes I mentioned, if you really think about it, all "dumb" down the game slightly, and anything that dumbs down the game benefits those who aren't as good, while detriments those who have put in more effort. If you take away hidden serves, that makes it so that there is one more aspect of the game, that people no longer need to master, which for non-Chinese players is good, because they invest less work and time than most Chinese players. The bigger ball and removal of speed glue, were made to make the game slower, you wouldn't make such changes that disturb the status quo if you didn't feel like at the moment there is some unnecessary advantage given to some group.
And then the change to 11 points is a really clear example. Yes it makes each game more intense, but if you think about it from a statistical vantage point, the difference between the top 5 players and the 5-10 players is only probably a 4-5 percent difference in chance to win a point. So for example, if a Chinese player, being better, has a 53 percent chance to win each point, where as some other non-Chinese player has a 47 percent chance to win the point, the probability of that difference in chance to win each point is much more visible when the game is to 21 points. There is a much bigger chance that the better player will be able to pull away. With the 11 point system, a lucky point or two, can allow the lesser player to win a game, whereas he wouldn't have if the game was to 21. And then you add to the fact that Chinese players tend to be mentally tough, which means even if they are losing by 5-6 points in a 21 point game, they have a greater chance of coming back....

China has already made so many improvements and advancements in the game and in training, that if we still had the smaller ball, and the game was still to 21, they would probably be even more dominating than they are right now, which is pretty hard to contemplate since they win most things already.
 

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following this theres proberly gonna become a mix of styles like half European and chinese
 
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