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TableTennisDaily
03-25-2013, 06:26 PM
TableTennisDaily had the fantastic opportunity to review Butterfly's latest Tenergy 80 Rubber using the ALC and ZLC Timo Boll blade's! The review looks at various techniques and a range of shots used in today's modern game of table tennis.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/tenergy80review1.jpg

The playing review below


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXUCc2uBEBk

We hope you enjoy this review, let us know what you think by posting below guys :) Have you tried the Tenergy 80 yet?
Check out Butterfly's Jun Mizutani testing Tenergy 80 here (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4424-Jun-Mizutani-tests-Tenergy-80-(VIDEO))

Phil
03-25-2013, 06:46 PM
Great review! Impressed with the amount of depth and detail it went into compared with other reviews, vital if you're thinking about trying it.

deano18
03-25-2013, 07:26 PM
I tried Dan's Boll ALC T80 in training today, What I thought, the was the blade is very comfortable to hold and use, strongly recomMend the blade.

As for the tenergy 80, I used it on my fh and found it didn't have the speed but had very good spin and control, on the backhand I found it very good, very good control and spin, also had good control when holding close to the table!! Will definately consider using it on the backhand side for my game!

TableTennisDaily
03-25-2013, 09:01 PM
Great review! Impressed with the amount of depth and detail it went into compared with other reviews, vital if you're thinking about trying it.

Thanks Phil. glad you liked the review! :)


I tried Dan's Boll ALC T80 in training today, What I thought, the was the blade is very comfortable to hold and use, strongly recomMend the blade.

As for the tenergy 80, I used it on my fh and found it didn't have the speed but had very good spin and control, on the backhand I found it very good, very good control and spin, also had good control when holding close to the table!! Will definately consider using it on the backhand side for my game!

Totally agree Dean, very good on the backhand side indeed. It has a fantastic feel to it!

merhaba
03-25-2013, 09:04 PM
good review.. thanks a lot..

Sali
03-25-2013, 10:03 PM
Can you compare it to t05fx and t25?

ACM
03-25-2013, 11:47 PM
Hi Dan, great work on this really good review I think! Really pleased as I think you've approached just about everything I wanted to know about the rubbers. I still have a question though about blades if I may: Between TB ALC and TB Spirit there's only 0.25 more control on the ALC do you think that will make much of a difference getting it over Spirit?
Once again great work!

Cheers

foz
03-26-2013, 12:01 AM
Excellent review lads, wish I was as quick on my feet as you both! :-/. Great views and to the point! You must do more! You have convinced me to try t80 on bh for sure,(don't worry, I won't be blaming you if it all goes wrong, lol), about the fh drive shots, do you think there would be more control with ZJK ? My fh is a fair mix of spin loop and drive loop,

Dan
03-26-2013, 12:38 AM
good review.. thanks a lot..

Thanks Merhaba! :)


Can you compare it to t05fx and t25?

Hey Sali, I havent tried either of those rubbers so I am unsure. I don't have any access to those rubbers sorry. Hopefully someone on the forum here will respond to your request :)


Hi Dan, great work on this really good review I think! Really pleased as I think you've approached just about everything I wanted to know about the rubbers. I still have a question though about blades if I may: Between TB ALC and TB Spirit there's only 0.25 more control on the ALC do you think that will make much of a difference getting it over Spirit?
Once again great work!

Cheers

Thanks ACM, much appreciated! To be honest I don't think there would be to much difference. They are very similar blades, I think the ALC may be better with the Tenergy 80 as it seems a lot of players have selected that blade lately. However, I think either blade would be fine mate :)


Excellent review lads, wish I was as quick on my feet as you both! :-/. Great views and to the point! You must do more! You have convinced me to try t80 on bh for sure,(don't worry, I won't be blaming you if it all goes wrong, lol), about the fh drive shots, do you think there would be more control with ZJK ? My fh is a fair mix of spin loop and drive loop,

Thanks Foz, glad you like it! Aha I am sure you will like it and yeah that is true, on a different blade the rubber could act different. You would have to test this really Foz, I can'y say for sure how it would be. But it should be fine I'm sure :)

CJ
03-26-2013, 12:41 AM
Tried it last week. Wasn't what I was expecting definetly slower then 05 and 64 I felt but had more spin then the other two, probably a good backhand rubber but I won't be switching. Probably good for less advanced players before they switch to 05 or 64 or for players that want more control.

CJ
03-26-2013, 12:45 AM
Hi Dan, great work on this really good review I think! Really pleased as I think you've approached just about everything I wanted to know about the rubbers. I still have a question though about blades if I may: Between TB ALC and TB Spirit there's only 0.25 more control on the ALC do you think that will make much of a difference getting it over Spirit?
Once again great work!

Cheers

I've had both Alc and boll spirits and I would say that they are exactly the same. The plys are identical the handle seems to be the only difference I can see. Would recommend both best blades in the world in my opinion

Bernie1696
03-26-2013, 01:06 AM
Great Review of the Rubber. Nice Technique of both players. Seems to be very interesting Rubber.
Nice to get a high quality review of all different playing variantes.

Dan
03-26-2013, 01:16 AM
Great Review of the Rubber. Nice Technique of both players. Seems to be very interesting Rubber.
Nice to get a high quality review of all different playing variantes.

Thanks Bernie :) It sure is, welcome to the site also! :) Thanks for joining.

PolishTT
03-26-2013, 01:16 AM
Great review! Really impressed of the Tenergy 80, but i can't support the prizepolitic of this factory...
In which league you guys are playing? Really good level you are playing at!

dici
03-26-2013, 07:44 AM
This review has a great improvement compared to the previous stiga one. Just from the video itself (even without audio speech) I could notice that the speed is not so great compare to the control and spin. But still, I think I'm going to stick with stiga or tibhar due to price >.>

Sali
03-26-2013, 07:49 AM
There is a strange thing Dan, butterfly locate this product as faster then t05 but less spin. Also in the chart I found it very close to t25, so I am thinking if they maybe are going to cancel t25 from their offer and put instead t80. Even mizutani said that t80 is good because it is between t05 and t64, but he Did not mentioned t25 which is already there. The other thing is you mentioned surfing test that it is softer then t05 ( or maybe I wrongly understood) so it should be simillar to t05fx. The lat think I want to ask if you could compare t80 to calibra tour medium you just tested?

janus
03-26-2013, 08:23 AM
# Thanks Dan!! Great & Important review!!! :)
(also, it was a great pleasure for me watching you to play!)

UpSideDownCarl
03-26-2013, 08:46 AM
Hey Dan, did you get to try the Timo Boll ZLF? I was looking forward to seeing what you thought about how that blade played. I thought you were going to try it in the review to see how the rubber feels on it in comparison to how it feels on the ALC. Since you have been using the Spirit which is so similar to the ALC I was curious about how the ZLF blade felt to you. But it does not look like you tried it. Did you get to feel the ZLF blade with Tenergy 80?

RIPPER
03-26-2013, 08:52 AM
Nice review guys! looks like a good rubber for the backhand and those that want more control for their forehand

UpSideDownCarl
03-26-2013, 09:26 AM
By the way Dan, it was fun to see both of you guys playing and having fun and this is a pretty solid review where you get an idea of what T80 does well and what it does not do as well. :)


There is a strange thing Dan, butterfly locate this product as faster then t05 but less spin. Also in the chart I found it very close to t25, so I am thinking if they maybe are going to cancel t25 from their offer and put instead t80. Even mizutani said that t80 is good because it is between t05 and t64, but he Did not mentioned t25 which is already there. The other thing is you mentioned surfing test that it is softer then t05 ( or maybe I wrongly understood) so it should be simillar to t05fx. The lat think I want to ask if you could compare t80 to calibra tour medium you just tested?

I think, because T80 is half way in between T64 and T05 Butterfly is comparing T80 to those two rubbers. These three rubbers all have the same size pips but the spacing is different. T05 the pips are closer together. T64 the pips are spaced further away. There was a request from some pros to have a rubber that was about half way between T64 and T05 and that is T80.

T25 the pips are a different size. They are much larger than T05, T64 or T80. This makes T25 the hardest of the 4. The only difference between these four rubbers is the pips. The sponge is the same. The rubber of the topsheet is the same. But the pips makes the rubbers have different properties. So T25 would be the one that feels hardest because of the size of the pips. T05 is the next hardest and this is because of the spacing of the pips: there are more pips per square inch in T05 than in T80 or T64. T80 the spacing of the pips is further apart than T05 but closer than T64. But in T05, T80 and T64 the pips are the same size.

You can see a graphic that shows this at 5.51 of Dan's video. He got that graphic from the video in this review of T80:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4500-Review-Tenergy-80-(video)&highlight=Tenergy+review

In Cheli's review the graphic is explained much more fully.

So, T80 is not really like T05 FX. T05 FX has the same pip configuration as T05 but the sponge is softer. The FX sponge is a different durometer than the regular Tenergy sponge. Whereas, the sponge in T05, T80 and T64 is all the same exact sponge.

In Dan's video where he shows that graphic he says the sponge is softer in T80. What he means is that T80 has a softer feel. But, in reality, that is because of the pips configuration not the sponge. Where, T05 FX and T64 FX have softer sponge than the regular Tenergy series rubbers. I assume that, soon there will be a T80 FX as well.

I believe there are enough people who buy T25 that Butterfly will continue to make it. It is a pretty good rubber too. And for those who like a harder rubber, it is harder than any of the other Tenergy rubbers.

Tinykin
03-26-2013, 10:26 AM
I think that T25 will always have its adherents. It's like Ekrips rubber Vs the big selling Sriver in the old days.

T25FX for me excelled at close to the table blocking and especially flipping incoming backspin. I got lost away from the table, but that was probably me not adjusting my technique properly.

In comparing T05 to T80 the word 'forgiving' seems to be used very often for T80.

So T05 for the very good and developing All+ to Off++ players.
And T80 for the rest of us although Butterfly will market T80 otherwise.

Sali
03-26-2013, 10:41 AM
Hey Carl,
Thanks for precise explanation. I have one more question. Mizutani od the video said, that t05 is great for the spin and easy to play topspin from a hard backspin. While t64 is quite hard to do it. The question is about spin, t05 have the best spin, why? Does it come with the hardness by the pips? If so why t25 is not the spinnest? I am asking these questions becasue I am going to change my t05fx from my FH to something little bit more aggresive, my blade is quite hard so very hard rubbers are not good. That is why I am thinking if the next selection should be t05 or t80

crackerjjlagrito
03-26-2013, 10:50 AM
Do you have sponsors for the equipment cause they are very expensive and stuff?

Sali
03-26-2013, 11:07 AM
well I do not, but not so long ago I compared usage of acuda s2, rakza 7 soft and t05fx. Tenergy has the longest durability, I would say about 30%. So when you compare like this, the price difference is not that much.

merhaba
03-26-2013, 02:29 PM
hey dan, can you compare 80 to calibra sound?

PolishTT
03-26-2013, 10:38 PM
You know a alternative rubber to t80?

Baal
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
With pretty much everything you said about this rubber. Also, I wish I could blast my backhand down the line with the same power you do. I've seen you do that several times in your reviews.

UpSideDownCarl
03-27-2013, 05:34 AM
Hey Carl,
Thanks for precise explanation. I have one more question. Mizutani od the video said, that t05 is great for the spin and easy to play topspin from a hard backspin. While t64 is quite hard to do it. The question is about spin, t05 have the best spin, why? Does it come with the hardness by the pips? If so why t25 is not the spinnest? I am asking these questions becasue I am going to change my t05fx from my FH to something little bit more aggresive, my blade is quite hard so very hard rubbers are not good. That is why I am thinking if the next selection should be t05 or t80

And it is interesting, even though Butterfly says T80 is faster than T05 and not as spinny as T05, Dan says in his review that T80 is slower and spinner. I think Dan's comment is more accurate than what Butterfly is presenting.

But all rubbers in the Tenergy series spin the ball well. So I would not get too worked up about it. I like T05. But I like them all. And which ever one you are using, once you are used to it, will work for you the way you want and expect it to.

Tinykin
03-27-2013, 11:09 AM
To be fair to Butterfly, I think what they are trying to say is that us normal fun players will get consistently more speed and spin with T80 than T05.
But ultimately in very competent hands, T05 will generate more spin/speed.

Sali
03-27-2013, 11:16 AM
Well just now I found the information that in T80 they modified not only the dimension between the pips but also the length of them. Anyway I think I am going to try it and see how it works.

ACM
03-27-2013, 04:19 PM
Hi TJ thanks for that, really helpful. I really am a bit unsure as I've never tried the ALC..is just they really seem to be ever so much the same but then again there is a big difference in preice. Thanks for the tip.

Cheers

Bollforte94
03-27-2013, 09:38 PM
Thanks Dan for this amazing review!

I think T05 is still the most competitive one in the right hands ... most spin and speed.

T80 seems to be more allrounded. It is good for everything but it has no speciality.

I would never buy Tenergy rubbers because they are too expensive and for me TT is a hobby.
They are so expensive because we accept that. If we don't buy Tenergy they would lower the price....

Olio
03-27-2013, 11:39 PM
Thanks for the review. Quite to the point and entertaining to watch.

It would be interesting to know what setup both players normally use. When you say "not as good", we need to know compared to what...

And btw, it's pronounced Zhang Jee Ke ;)

Dan
03-28-2013, 01:26 AM
Hey Dan, did you get to try the Timo Boll ZLF? I was looking forward to seeing what you thought about how that blade played. I thought you were going to try it in the review to see how the rubber feels on it in comparison to how it feels on the ALC. Since you have been using the Spirit which is so similar to the ALC I was curious about how the ZLF blade felt to you. But it does not look like you tried it. Did you get to feel the ZLF blade with Tenergy 80?

Hey Carl, the rubbers on each blade felt very similar it was very hard to feel much difference at all. However, the ALC does feel slightly faster.

Dan
03-28-2013, 01:30 AM
Thanks for the review. Quite to the point and entertaining to watch.

It would be interesting to know what setup both players normally use. When you say "not as good", we need to know compared to what...

And btw, it's pronounced Zhang Jee Ke ;)

Thanks for the comments :) Haha yes I will use Zhang Jee Ke next time :)

TaTe-Maniac
03-28-2013, 09:30 AM
very nice detailed review!

May I ask how often you guys practice in a week?

What do you think how long T80 can keep the full capacity (is that the right word?)

How often should I change this rubber if I practice for example 2-3 times per week for 2 hours?

best regards

TaTe-Maniac

foz
03-28-2013, 11:01 AM
Can anyone say for sure what degree of hardness the normal Tenergy series is?

Sali
03-28-2013, 11:44 AM
Hey TeTe,

It depends what do you expect, if the top parameters of the rubber are very important you should change it after one month. But if you are not top player I think 3 months should be ok.

Sali
03-28-2013, 12:03 PM
Can anyone say for sure what degree of hardness the normal Tenergy series is?

Butterfly has a different scale. They not use to comon Shore. Soft version have 32, while regular ones 36. But you need to add about 10 degress to each one to compare it with donic for instance.

foz
03-28-2013, 01:28 PM
Butterfly has a different scale. They not use to comon Shore. Soft version have 32, while regular ones 36. But you need to add about 10 degress to each one to compare it with donic for instance.
That's good to know, thanks , I wonder if anyone has an accurate scale or knows the formula to change from one to another?

UpSideDownCarl
03-28-2013, 02:22 PM
Thanks for the review. Quite to the point and entertaining to watch.

It would be interesting to know what setup both players normally use. When you say "not as good", we need to know compared to what...

And btw, it's pronounced Zhang Jee Ke ;)

I have had a friend who is from China tell me how to pronounce this name and it sounds like the way the Chinese announcers say it when they are saying his name during a match. Very different than the way I have heard any westerner say his name. The Z does not sound like the way a westerner would say a Z. The a of Zhang sounds like a very soft uh like in "uh-oh" but very soft. The ng is a soft nasal n. The J-i of Jike sounds almost like the "je" in the French term "Je ne sais pas!". And the the e at the end of Jike also sounds like a very soft uh.

Listen to the Chinese announcers in a match where he is playing and you will hear the correct way to pronounce the name Zhang Jike. Because, even what I said above, because it is letters and not spoken, can be misunderstood and end up creating the wrong pronunciation. The Chinese announcers know how to pronounce his name. :) Not the western announcers. :) They always butcher the pronunciation of his name.

UpSideDownCarl
03-28-2013, 02:30 PM
very nice detailed review!

May I ask how often you guys practice in a week?

What do you think how long T80 can keep the full capacity (is that the right word?)

How often should I change this rubber if I practice for example 2-3 times per week for 2 hours?

best regards

TaTe-Maniac

Sali's comment is pretty good. The one thing I will say is, you will know when to change it. At a certain point the topsheet loses its ability to grab the ball.

As Sali said, if you are really interested in the high end of the performance of the rubber, you will feel that shortly (a few weeks to a month). It will still have grip, but not the kind of grip it had when it was brand new. The second level of that is when it really stops grabbing the ball effectively. That is when, if you are not playing competitively at a fairly high level, you will start needing to change the rubber.

So, trust yourself. You will feel when you need to change the rubber. If it is still working well enough for you, keep using it.

Sali
03-28-2013, 02:49 PM
There is another thing. Most of the amateurs (I am thinking of the guys who play in the club but their technique is not good enough) cannot see thee problem of rubber getting old. You know their shots are not regular, so they do not know if it is a problem of rubber or lack of technique. Generally we can say that maximum life level of a rubber is 6 months if you do not care much about high spin balls. For a medium playing level is about 3 months. And if you are professional max 1 month.

Olio
03-28-2013, 04:41 PM
I have had a friend who is from China tell me how to pronounce this name and it sounds like the way the Chinese announcers say it when they are saying his name during a match. Very different than the way I have heard any westerner say his name. The Z does not sound like the way a westerner would say a Z. The a of Zhang sounds like a very soft uh like in "uh-oh" but very soft. The ng is a soft nasal n. The J-i of Jike sounds almost like the "je" in the French term "Je ne sais pas!". And the the e at the end of Jike also sounds like a very soft uh.

Listen to the Chinese announcers in a match where he is playing and you will hear the correct way to pronounce the name Zhang Jike. Because, even what I said above, because it is letters and not spoken, can be misunderstood and end up creating the wrong pronunciation. The Chinese announcers know how to pronounce his name. :) Not the western announcers. :) They always butcher the pronunciation of his name.

True,

I watch plenty of Youtube / CCTV5 and speak a bit of Chinese as I have Chinese relatives, so I guess I'm OK. But the "Jye"ke (as in bye) ke hurts my ears more than the "Zang"

And the "i" is pronounced like "ee", hence many "li" emigrating to English speaking countries become Lee (e.g. Bruce Lee)

Coming back to the subject of T80, I was a bit surprised that they seemed to compare it with T05 for speed while, unboosted, T64 seems faster. Hence my question, what do they normally play with?

Dan
03-28-2013, 05:55 PM
Thanks for the review. Quite to the point and entertaining to watch.

It would be interesting to know what setup both players normally use. When you say "not as good", we need to know compared to what...

And btw, it's pronounced Zhang Jee Ke ;)

Hey Olio I'm sorry I forgot to answer what my usual set up is. My set up is the Timo Boll Spirit with Tenergy 05 on each side. Tom's setup is a Stiga Hybrid wood blade with Tenergy 05 both sides. We were unable to compare the T80's with other Tenergy's as we havent tried them before.

Glad you like the review :)

I now also pronounce Zhang Jike correctly :)

Sent from my S2 using Tapatalk 2

kevin septian
03-30-2013, 09:23 AM
Good Review and thx for the video. which is softer between 05, 80, and 64?
And which is better for OFF+ blade?

Sali
03-30-2013, 02:23 PM
Well I have bought one for myself. I must say that I am little surprise with the huge spin. It is little bit slower then 05 in my opinion, but has more spin. So other way then butterfly says. Very good control, little bit difficult to flip.

UpSideDownCarl
03-30-2013, 02:45 PM
Well I have bought one for myself. I must say that I am little surprise with the huge spin. It is little bit slower then 05 in my opinion, but has more spin. So other way then butterfly says. Very good control, little bit difficult to flip.

Yeah, I am not sure why Butterfly says it is faster and does not get as much spin. They did the same with 64.

64 is softest and most spin of the regular Tenergy series; 80 is not as soft as 64 but softer than 05, it has more spin and less speed than 05, it has less spin and a little more speed than 64; 05 is harder than 80 but softer than 25, has more speed and less spin than 80, has more spin and less speed than 25; 25 is the hardest, it is the fastest of the Tenergy series, it has the least spin of the Tenergy series.

All that being said, they all spin the ball pretty darn well, and they are all more than fast enough. 05FX and 64FX are also more than fast enough for many. :)

All are good rubbers. Which one is best for you? It depends on what you like, and how you play. Softer = more spin and more easy to control. Harder = faster and less spin and not as easy to control.

TTD Team Manager
03-30-2013, 03:39 PM
Very well-rounded report by Mr.TTD here.
Many aspects of the game are highlighted, illustrating both strengths and weaknesses of T80. As a non-tenergy player, it is good to see the comments from other users on how this rubber compares to alternative tenergy rubbers, 05 and 64. I feel I have comprehensive knowledge of this rubber thanks to this review and may convert to the tenergy family one day.

Cheers mate.

ducksick
04-02-2013, 10:24 AM
Dan,

I just come across bout the T80, my friend bought the rubber from China, and he said the rubber from China are slightly different from what you can get from local market. Are this true? I heard that, Bty has different grade allocate for different countries/regions etc etc... Like, eg, national players, rubbers are grade A, and so on, while us, only manage to buy grade D or below. And, the rubber he bought from China recently, a lot more expensive than what i pay for. What he told me, the top sheet of the T80 from China (quality better than) commercial (you buy from retailer TT shop). Once you play both rubber, you can tell the different. Are you think than a worth to buy from China market? Thanks

Dan
04-02-2013, 11:59 AM
Dan,

I just come across bout the T80, my friend bought the rubber from China, and he said the rubber from China are slightly different from what you can get from local market. Are this true? I heard that, Bty has different grade allocate for different countries/regions etc etc... Like, eg, national players, rubbers are grade A, and so on, while us, only manage to buy grade D or below. And, the rubber he bought from China recently, a lot more expensive than what i pay for. What he told me, the top sheet of the T80 from China (quality better than) commercial (you buy from retailer TT shop). Once you play both rubber, you can tell the different. Are you think than a worth to buy from China market? Thanks

Hey buddy this in an interesting source you have heard. I'm really not to sure, I find the rubbers I get from the UK are great, I'm not to sure there is much difference. I would be interested in comparing a China Tenergy to others. How much are they to buy from the China Market? Is there a website I can check out..

Sali
04-02-2013, 01:52 PM
Most of chinese tenergy are fake. For instance you can find professional version of tenergy here: http://prott.vip020.net/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=Protenergy. But check the shoes prices. My agent called them and they did not comfirm originality.

CANP
04-02-2013, 08:26 PM
very helpful review !!!! amazing !!!

ducksick
04-03-2013, 04:43 AM
Hey buddy this in an interesting source you have heard. I'm really not to sure, I find the rubbers I get from the UK are great, I'm not to sure there is much difference. I would be interested in comparing a China Tenergy to others. How much are they to buy from the China Market? Is there a website I can check out..
The Chinese T80 selling ard USD100 and while the local market ard USD 70. And that's not fake T80,fyi (Sali) . I know a lot of fake products from China but my friend know how to differentiate between genuine and fake. I'm not sure there's a website I don't encourage buy thru website cos we all know Chinese site cannot be trust at all.

cloren
04-11-2013, 09:16 PM
Amazing review, I am thinking to get a couple of T80 and try them during the summer.

Dan
04-13-2013, 11:36 AM
very helpful review !!!! amazing !!!

Thanks CANP much appreciated! :)


The Chinese T80 selling ard USD100 and while the local market ard USD 70. And that's not fake T80,fyi (Sali) . I know a lot of fake products from China but my friend know how to differentiate between genuine and fake. I'm not sure there's a website I don't encourage buy thru website cos we all know Chinese site cannot be trust at all.

Yes, I understand what your saying here :) What i think tho, is with Butterfly, the quality is very high. I think if you got a T80 from different areas of the world it will still be of good quality. Unless yes they are fake versions. But the originals they will all be great for us to use. Unless we are Timo Boll or Michael Maze, we wouldn't notice to much difference in the quality. What do you think buddy?


Amazing review, I am thinking to get a couple of T80 and try them during the summer.

Thanks Cloren! Please let us know how you get on with your new T80's in the summer.

ducksick
04-23-2013, 08:48 AM
Thanks CANP much appreciated! :)



Yes, I understand what your saying here :) What i think tho, is with Butterfly, the quality is very high. I think if you got a T80 from different areas of the world it will still be of good quality. Unless yes they are fake versions. But the originals they will all be great for us to use. Unless we are Timo Boll or Michael Maze, we wouldn't notice to much difference in the quality. What do you think buddy?



Thanks Cloren! Please let us know how you get on with your new T80's in the summer.

Totally agreed... Recently, my friend just bought Japanese version of bryce speed. The sponge at the back usually printing some japanese words etc, and with "JP" then it probably comes from japan... and normal rubbers, just normal printing with japanese words follow by 2.1mm. I need more research on these issue.

Dan
04-24-2013, 11:46 PM
Totally agreed... Recently, my friend just bought Japanese version of bryce speed. The sponge at the back usually printing some japanese words etc, and with "JP" then it probably comes from japan... and normal rubbers, just normal printing with japanese words follow by 2.1mm. I need more research on these issue.

Nice, I would be interested to know the differences between that Bryce speed and others. All I have heard is that in the factories of these rubber companies, the center of the rubber sheet is the highest quality and that's what goes to the professionals. The outside edges the rubber cutting is slightly less standard. I don't know this 100% but this is word on the street. I have heard a lot of people talk about this throughout my time.

Baal
04-25-2013, 04:48 AM
There is a strange thing Dan, butterfly locate this product as faster then t05 but less spin. Also in the chart I found it very close to t25, so I am thinking if they maybe are going to cancel t25 from their offer and put instead t80. Even mizutani said that t80 is good because it is between t05 and t64, but he Did not mentioned t25 which is already there. The other thing is you mentioned surfing test that it is softer then t05 ( or maybe I wrongly understood) so it should be simillar to t05fx. The lat think I want to ask if you could compare t80 to calibra tour medium you just tested?

T80 is softer than T05 and a little slower and lower throw actually (which surpises me), but feels completely different from T05FX.

Baal
04-25-2013, 04:55 AM
Yeah, I am not sure why Butterfly says it is faster and does not get as much spin. They did the same with 64.

64 is softest and most spin of the regular Tenergy series; 80 is not as soft as 64 but softer than 05, it has more spin and less speed than 05, it has less spin and a little more speed than 64; 05 is harder than 80 but softer than 25, has more speed and less spin than 80, has more spin and less speed than 25; 25 is the hardest, it is the fastest of the Tenergy series, it has the least spin of the Tenergy series.

All that being said, they all spin the ball pretty darn well, and they are all more than fast enough. 05FX and 64FX are also more than fast enough for many. :)

All are good rubbers. Which one is best for you? It depends on what you like, and how you play. Softer = more spin and more easy to control. Harder = faster and less spin and not as easy to control.

I'm not convinced it's that simple, although parts of what Carl writes are similar to what I felt with these. I think T05 is actually spinnier than T64 and slower just a bit (although harder). I found T80 and T25 to be slower than T05 on many shots. T25 and T05 seem about equally spinny to me. But then, all this also depends on how far you are from the table on any given shot. T25 is superb from close in but loses a lot at middle distance and beyond. So in my experience at least, they are all different, they are all pretty good, and not everybody will like the same ones. I hated T05FX, love T05, like T25 ok, T25FX not bad. T64 hard for me to control on my blade, and T80 surprised me by being kind of dead, but I am going to stick with it for awhile on my BH. The good news is that price has come down.

mefisto81
04-25-2013, 06:14 AM
What do u mean ? Is cheaper ?

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DexBG
04-25-2013, 06:36 AM
Yeah, I am not sure why Butterfly says it is faster and does not get as much spin. They did the same with 64.

64 is softest and most spin of the regular Tenergy series; 80 is not as soft as 64 but softer than 05, it has more spin and less speed than 05, it has less spin and a little more speed than 64; 05 is harder than 80 but softer than 25, has more speed and less spin than 80, has more spin and less speed than 25; 25 is the hardest, it is the fastest of the Tenergy series, it has the least spin of the Tenergy series.

All that being said, they all spin the ball pretty darn well, and they are all more than fast enough. 05FX and 64FX are also more than fast enough for many. :)

All are good rubbers. Which one is best for you? It depends on what you like, and how you play. Softer = more spin and more easy to control. Harder = faster and less spin and not as easy to control.

Something is very wrong here - I also tested the rubbers and Butterfly is right: 64 is hardest and 64>80>05 (hardness) and 05>80>64 (spin). There are a lot of people getting wrong impression because (I found few reasons):
1. They test the rubbers on different blades. The rubbers should be compared only when glued on the same blade.
2. They test tuned/speed glue rubber vs normal rubber (i.e. using different glue influence the speed/spin).
3. They test rubbers received from different TT shops in the world (e.g. in China the Tenergy is slightly different).

UpSideDownCarl
04-25-2013, 07:56 AM
Something is very wrong here - I also tested the rubbers and Butterfly is right: 64 is hardest and 64>80>05 (hardness) and 05>80>64 (spin). There are a lot of people getting wrong impression because (I found few reasons):
1. They test the rubbers on different blades. The rubbers should be compared only when glued on the same blade.
2. They test tuned/speed glue rubber vs normal rubber (i.e. using different glue influence the speed/spin).
3. They test rubbers received from different TT shops in the world (e.g. in China the Tenergy is slightly different).

Look, this is simple. Tenergy 64, 80, 05 and 25

1) all have the same exact sponge.
2) all have the same topsheet, except the pips.
****3) all have different pips configurations.

64, 80 and 05 all have the same size pips.

On 64 the pips are furthest apart.

On 05 they are closest together.

On 80 they are almost half way in between 64 and 05.

Tenergy 25 has pips that are considerably larger than the other 3. Therefore the pips on 25 give the least and it has the hardest feel.

Tenergy 05 has the hardest feel of the other three (which have the same sized pips), because there is less space between the pips.

Tenergy 64 has the softest feel of the regular Tenergys because there is more space between the pips than there is on 80 or 05.

Because the pips on 80 are spaced farther apart than on 05 but not as far apart as on 64 it is almost half way in between 64 and 05 in terms of how it feels.

That is just how Tenergy is designed.

Olio
04-25-2013, 03:29 PM
Something is very wrong here - I also tested the rubbers and Butterfly is right: 64 is hardest and 64>80>05 (hardness) and 05>80>64 (spin). There are a lot of people getting wrong impression because (I found few reasons):
1. They test the rubbers on different blades. The rubbers should be compared only when glued on the same blade.
2. They test tuned/speed glue rubber vs normal rubber (i.e. using different glue influence the speed/spin).
3. They test rubbers received from different TT shops in the world (e.g. in China the Tenergy is slightly different).

I have tested 64 and 05 on the same blade, bought from the same shop, and untuned. 05 is clearly the harder of the two.

Will try T80 soon, but am expecting exactly what Carl described. Harder than 64 but softer than 05, spinnier than 64 but less than 05, slower than 64 but faster / more dynamic than 05.

Baal
04-26-2013, 05:47 AM
Look, this is simple. Tenergy 64, 80, 05 and 25

1) all have the same exact sponge.
2) all have the same topsheet, except the pips.
****3) all have different pips configurations.

64, 80 and 05 all have the same size pips.

On 64 the pips are furthest apart.

On 05 they are closest together.

On 80 they are almost half way in between 64 and 05.

Tenergy 25 has pips that are considerably larger than the other 3. Therefore the pips on 25 give the least and it has the hardest feel.

Tenergy 05 has the hardest feel of the other three (which have the same sized pips), because there is less space between the pips.

Tenergy 64 has the softest feel of the regular Tenergys because there is more space between the pips than there is on 80 or 05.

Because the pips on 80 are spaced farther apart than on 05 but not as far apart as on 64 it is almost half way in between 64 and 05 in terms of how it feels.

That is just how Tenergy is designed.

All this is correct. And yet to me at least, T80 feels slower than T05 and I was expecting it to be a bit faster since T64 is quite a bit faster, and also for all the reasons Carl just listed. In other words, my expectation was exactly like Olio based on my experience with T64 and T05. I also think T05 is a bit spinnier than T64 and T80 is pretty much like T64 with respect to spin, although I have to admit it's been a while since I used T64 so maybe my memory is wrong. I just can't figure out why T80 feels slower to me. They are both on the same blade right now so I could compare head to head. But from this thread it seems like I'm not the only one. I was wondering if it was something I did gluing it on? But I really don't think that can be it, I always glue the same way. I should note my T80 is black 2.1 and my T05 on the same blade is red 2.1. Could that be the reason? I quite like T80 on my BH but not so much on FH.

Dan
04-28-2013, 07:41 AM
Does anyone know of any professionals using Tenergy 80 yet? I have a feeling we will see players using it at this years World Championships.

Sali
04-28-2013, 08:10 AM
Maybe mizutani and kishikawa because butterfly put them to the test, so I think they will push them to try them in compatition.

kjanko
04-28-2013, 04:33 PM
Would this be a good rubber choice for RPB?

Olio
04-29-2013, 10:55 AM
Does anyone know of any professionals using Tenergy 80 yet? I have a feeling we will see players using it at this years World Championships.

I believe MJ now has T80 on BH, keeping T64 on FH

DexBG
04-29-2013, 12:31 PM
Look, this is simple. Tenergy 64, 80, 05 and 25

1) all have the same exact sponge.
2) all have the same topsheet, except the pips.
****3) all have different pips configurations.

64, 80 and 05 all have the same size pips.

On 64 the pips are furthest apart.

On 05 they are closest together.

On 80 they are almost half way in between 64 and 05.

Tenergy 25 has pips that are considerably larger than the other 3. Therefore the pips on 25 give the least and it has the hardest feel.

Tenergy 05 has the hardest feel of the other three (which have the same sized pips), because there is less space between the pips.

Tenergy 64 has the softest feel of the regular Tenergys because there is more space between the pips than there is on 80 or 05.

Because the pips on 80 are spaced farther apart than on 05 but not as far apart as on 64 it is almost half way in between 64 and 05 in terms of how it feels.

That is just how Tenergy is designed.

Well, you miss something - Tenergy 05′s pips are shorter and closer together than Tenergy 64, which has much longer and more spaced out pips (i.e. you miss the lenght of the pips). This is shown here: http://www.experttabletennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tenergy-pip-size.jpg
This results in more speed of 64 than 05 but for the feeling - I think it depends on the blade that is used (i.e. on soft blades the feeling can be the opposite compared to hard blades).

DexBG
04-29-2013, 01:16 PM
Does anyone know of any professionals using Tenergy 80 yet? I have a feeling we will see players using it at this years World Championships.

Well, in the review of Tenergy 80, Jun Mizutani and Seiya KISHIKAWA mentioned that they are going to use it (not clear when exactly). However, there are rumors that Zhang Jike switched to T80 and this is one of the reasons of his poor results this year.

UpSideDownCarl
04-29-2013, 01:54 PM
Well, you miss something - Tenergy 05′s pips are shorter and closer together than Tenergy 64, which has much longer and more spaced out pips (i.e. you miss the lenght of the pips). This is shown here: http://www.experttabletennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tenergy-pip-size.jpg
This results in more speed of 64 than 05 but for the feeling - I think it depends on the blade that is used (i.e. on soft blades the feeling can be the opposite compared to hard blades).

Good point, a longer pimple of the same width, that is spaced further. The length should add to the bendability of the pips which might add to that idea of softness. It might add more catapult. It might make it so it is further from the sponge.

Not sure how this would affect how it plays, but I don't think it would make it harder.

And it looks like the length of the pips for T80 is somewhere in between T64 and T05 just like the spacing.

sherif_ry2
04-29-2013, 02:34 PM
hi guys ...can u tell me what is the most


elastic,supple,soft ruber ((calibra sound-stiga bost ts_tenergy64fx-sriver fx_anything else))????

sherif_ry2
04-29-2013, 03:02 PM
hi guys ...can u tell me what is the most



elastic,supple,soft ruber ((calibra sound-stiga bost ts_tenergy64fx-sriver fx_anything else))????

Olio
04-29-2013, 04:59 PM
Boost TS is supposed to 36 degrees hardness. I doubt the others are that soft. Sriver FX should be 38, 64FX should be around 40-42 but feeling softer.

Never tried Calibra Sound.

Joshua_Reynolds
04-30-2013, 12:27 PM
I currently playing with Tenergy 80 in my backhand and like it is mentioned in Dan's wonderful review, it is certain more popular on the backhand due to the softness for a backhand loop, however I have noticed that it is very good for a short forehand loop when I was practicing with it. I use 64 on my forehand due to the feel I get when hitting the ball and with my blade being a OFF- I can get the control. I could never stand Tenergy 05 however so this may explain why I use that combination rather than 05 at all. If you use something like a soft Joola rubber, it is very comparable to that. Hope this helps people.

Dan
05-02-2013, 12:32 AM
Well, in the review of Tenergy 80, Jun Mizutani and Seiya KISHIKAWA mentioned that they are going to use it (not clear when exactly). However, there are rumors that Zhang Jike switched to T80 and this is one of the reasons of his poor results this year.

That's interesting, where have you seen these rumors buddy?

ducksick
05-02-2013, 03:39 AM
Nice, I would be interested to know the differences between that Bryce speed and others. All I have heard is that in the factories of these rubber companies, the center of the rubber sheet is the highest quality and that's what goes to the professionals. The outside edges the rubber cutting is slightly less standard. I don't know this 100% but this is word on the street. I have heard a lot of people talk about this throughout my time.

Same as well... We cant get the grade A rubbers. Those are reserved for pros or national players. Unless you've connection with those guys.

Secondly, seems you've tested the 80, a good rubber for BH, why you still prefer over 05? I notice you use it for both side, right?

ducksick
05-02-2013, 03:48 AM
I've tested the rubber for RPB. Actually not bad as what has been reviewed by Dan's. Totally a different feeling compare to 64. A good buy.

Dan
05-02-2013, 10:31 AM
Same as well... We cant get the grade A rubbers. Those are reserved for pros or national players. Unless you've connection with those guys.

Secondly, seems you've tested the 80, a good rubber for BH, why you still prefer over 05? I notice you use it for both side, right?

I am still using the T05 as I use old rubbers from the Academy players at the Bristol Academy. If I could get some T80 I would definitely use it on my backhand. I think Tenergy 05 is very good if your an advanced attaching player who has a lot of control so your able to control it's speed. Tenergy 80 is for those who are wanting that bit more control what your attack shots.


I've tested the rubber for RPB. Actually not bad as what has been reviewed by Dan's. Totally a different feeling compare to 64. A good buy.

Good to hear buddy! :)

DexBG
05-02-2013, 04:21 PM
That's interesting, where have you seen these rumors buddy?
It was mentioned by commentator in one of the Zhang Jike's matches but I don't remember which match exactly (I think it was Qatar or Kuwait Open).

Dan
05-02-2013, 04:30 PM
It was mentioned by commentator in one of the Zhang Jike's matches but I don't remember which match exactly (I think it was Qatar or Kuwait Open).

Thanks for the update. That is interesting, perhaps the WTTC will reveal what the players are using :)

revulucao
05-02-2013, 10:56 PM
Nice, I would be interested to know the differences between that Bryce speed and others. All I have heard is that in the factories of these rubber companies, the center of the rubber sheet is the highest quality and that's what goes to the professionals. The outside edges the rubber cutting is slightly less standard. I don't know this 100% but this is word on the street. I have heard a lot of people talk about this throughout my time.

i heard the same! i comment that too

ducksick
05-03-2013, 02:26 AM
I am still using the T05 as I use old rubbers from the Academy players at the Bristol Academy. If I could get some T80 I would definitely use it on my backhand. I think Tenergy 05 is very good if your an advanced attaching player who has a lot of control so your able to control it's speed. Tenergy 80 is for those who are wanting that bit more control what your attack shots.



Good to hear buddy! :)

You're welcome... I thought you've got the rubbers after tested it? Must return back to Bty?

Dan
05-03-2013, 06:45 AM
You're welcome... I thought you've got the rubbers after tested it? Must return back to Bty?

Oh :) I gave to friends. Due to my back injury I don't practice much anymore, I feed a lot. Rubbers are not to vital to my game as I don't play matches

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Joshua_Reynolds
05-04-2013, 12:30 PM
But dan, the spin generated from the T80 is greater than T05 and it is good for the spinny backhand loop so it is still attacking and I don't think the control is higher than 05 in all honesty however

Olio
05-07-2013, 11:47 AM
I put the T80 on my BH and have started feeding with it.

Straightforward replacement for the T64, a bit harder and not quite as fast. There seems to be a touch more control.

Not sure for spin as I didn't really have a chance to check, but spin of T64 was more than enough for me, so I'm not concerned.

Very likely I would keep a T80 on BH (once I've finished my current stock of rubbers)

Stefan Brankovic
03-08-2014, 06:22 PM
Have one question about Tenergy 80 . What is the ' better ' thickness for the BH of the TB ALC : 1.9 or 2.1?

UpSideDownCarl
03-09-2014, 05:02 AM
Have one question about Tenergy 80 . What is the ' better ' thickness for the BH of the TB ALC : 1.9 or 2.1?

The answer to this question really depends on you, your playing style and your personal preferences. I personally, always like 2.1 (max). But, 1.9 has more control and is better for hitting. 2.1 is faster and is better for if you really are mostly looping with your backhand.

Der_Echte
03-10-2014, 01:00 AM
But dan, the spin generated from the T80 is greater than T05 and it is good for the spinny backhand loop so it is still attacking and I don't think the control is higher than 05 in all honesty however

Even the spin I generate on BH wing with simple plain ole allround OFF XP 2008 is better than 90% of your clubmates' BH with a Tenergy on their favorite balde.

Why?

Heavy spin rating cannot be determined with just one speed of stroke. Rubber helps, but it isn't everything. The player has a lot to do with that.

Granted, on a weaker stroke, I can generate more spin with Tenergy than any other rubber out there. On a heavy BH opener I make, you will not know I am using a very inexpensive BH rubber. On a fast blade speed stroke, my XP 2008 can match your favorite club player's Tenergy any day of the week in terms of pace and spin, whether I use it on my OFF composite blade or an ALL+ USD $15 Chinese blade. The speed spin ratings a manufacturer of any amature player talk about are all relative to certain things and not all of us are the same. Even on different blades certain rubbers are slower or faster. Heck, Rasant was simply average middle of the pack on a TBS when I first tried it out, but on my $15 ALL+ blade, that thing explodes with spin and pace on counterloops from mid-distance!

Unless you have the cash, Tenergy is tossing away Ur hard earned cash. I can get more spin from Evo series and I get it almost half the price of tenergy.

Let the rich or the pros play Tenergy... BTY is marketing the star power over everyone to get away with the high price. I believe in any company's right to charge whatever the market allows and market the daylights outta their product whether it works or not... BTY is obviously doing a very good job marketing their nice product, but it isn't worth as much as they sell it for, but many still buy it. Go ahead everyone, knock Urselves out, unless I can get Tenergy for the cost of other moderately priced rubbers, it will stay on the shelf of the store.

Noppengraddler
04-09-2014, 08:00 AM
Hi guys,
thanks for all the information on the T80. Taking everything into consideration, it sounds as if the T80 could replace my T05FX on FH. There is just one piece of information I haven't found in the thread. What is the weight of T80 compared to T05 FX? Has anyone weighed them or does anyone have a sheet of each with the same sponge thickness and could be so kind and weigh them for me? If the T80 has the same or lower weight than T05FX, it might be an option for me, otherwise I will further play T05FX.
Background: Due to recurring shoulder issues, I prefer the lightest possible materials.