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WiWa
05-18-2013, 03:37 PM
North Korea are the Mixed Doubles World Table Tennis Champions after beating South Korea! Wow! Incredible performance!
That's amazing! Such a strong doubles pairing those two! We're probably one of the few sports in the world with North-Korean World Champs now :D

pingpingpongpong
05-18-2013, 04:04 PM
http://t.co/8tss1HcIYV

that is south korea's reaction after losing the title? hahahahaha what a timing

Tommy Lee
05-18-2013, 04:17 PM
Amazing shot from Hao Shuai in men's doubles semifinals :)

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/bf4c986bgw1e4swg6fi4yg20c806vkjo.gif

Dan
05-18-2013, 04:45 PM
Amazing shot from Hao Shuai in men's doubles semifinals :)

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/bf4c986bgw1e4swg6fi4yg20c806vkjo.gif

That is one hell of a shot! Woah!! I have told the ITTF they need to make this one there shot of the day! :)

farwa
05-18-2013, 04:53 PM
North Korea are the Mixed Doubles World Table Tennis Champions after beating South Korea! Wow! Incredible performance!

Sined
05-18-2013, 05:33 PM
Timo BOLL this afternoon ! "I am fine,...I feel good"

So nice guy !!!! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaQcret0bOk

TTLondon2012
05-18-2013, 07:02 PM
Lee Sang Su/Park Young Sook vs Kim Hyok Bong/Kim Jong (Mixed Doubles Final)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW6djbs2_No

chuklebolt
05-18-2013, 07:51 PM
Well, I think Ma Long and Xu Xin should be able to battle it out against ZJK even at his best.

His performance dipped a bit today, but Robert Gardos was simply awesome as well. He was right there with ZJK, only the smallest details separate them, but with each shots those little details just kept showing and eventually ZJK won the match without much worries except for the middle part of game 3 when Gardos led for a short while.

As far as I've been watching, I noticed that Ma Long and Xu Xin seems to be better than ZJK at hitting the forehand topspin close to the table, especially spinny ones that bounce quite low. I mean, the incoming top spin balls that bounce low, not the out going shots of the Chinese trio. :p

I haven't been watching Wang Hao much, only against Noshad, but he seems to be in form as well, so we should be able to expect an all-Chinese semis, with Yan An looking to push into the podium against Wang Hao. Would be interesting to see, but only if he beats Chuang Chi-yuan who is also still in the mix.

ranniely
05-18-2013, 08:20 PM
Yan Man is the An ! What a performance, i love his style, his energy...

Alborz
05-18-2013, 08:35 PM
Patrick beat Dima !!!!!!
tomorrows matches will be so interesting:
Ma Long vs Timo Boll : i think ML will win 4-1 or 4-2
Wang Hao vs Yan An : i think Yan An will win 4-3 or 4-2
Zhang Jike vs Patrick Baum : i think Zhang Jike will win 4-2 or 4-1
Xu Xin vs Kenta Matsudaira : i think Xu Xin will win 4-0 or 4-1

Dan
05-18-2013, 08:43 PM
Timo BOLL this afternoon ! "I am fine,...I feel good"

So nice guy !!!! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaQcret0bOk

You are my hero! I love this!

Trismegistus
05-18-2013, 09:08 PM
Patrick beat Dima !!!!!!
tomorrows matches will be so interesting:
Ma Long vs Timo Boll : i think ML will win 4-1 or 4-2
Wang Hao vs Yan An : i think Yan An will win 4-3 or 4-2
Zhang Jike vs Patrick Baum : i think Zhang Jike will win 4-2 or 4-1
Xu Xin vs Kenta Matsudaira : i think Xu Xin will win 4-0 or 4-1

Nice predictions! I think that if Yan An plays the way he did today, he will win 4-0

Steven
05-18-2013, 09:32 PM
Predictions:
Ma Long 4-1 Timo Boll
Yan An 4-2 Wang Hao
Zhang Jike 4-0 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 4-1 Kenta Matsudaira

Tommy Lee
05-18-2013, 09:41 PM
My predictions:

Ma Long 4-2 Timo Boll
Yan An 3-4 Wang Hao
Zhang Jike 4-1 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 4-1 Kenta Matsudaira

TableTennisDaily
05-18-2013, 09:44 PM
My predictions:

Ma Long 4-1 Timo Boll
Yan An 4-2 Wang Hao
Zhang Jike 4-1 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 4-0 Kenta Matsudaira

Michal_Z
05-18-2013, 11:31 PM
Okay, so I will add mine:
Ma Long 4-2 Timo Boll - Timo will lose first game very fast, he will probably not even notice what happened.. Then he will fight back with game or two, but lose..
Yan An 4-1 Wang Hao - Yan An will fight like hell, Wang Hao will try some tricks, but I think Yan An is too fast, so he will win..
Zhang Jike 4-2 Patrick Baum - When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Zhang is the tough one, so he will probably lose game or two, then turn up and win.
Xu Xin 4-0 Kenta Matsudaira - Xu Xin will go through this match pretty easy I expect..


The problem that I think Ma Long will not win the tournament, is Zhang Jike.
I dont think that anyone will be able to beat him. Everytime he loses a little, he raises his game to hights that we have never seen. I hate him, but he is just amazing, I have to admit that. Ma Long probably wont make it into finals, if Yan An keeps up his form, he will probably take him out in semifinals..
That will be pretty interesting match.. I saw it today with Koki Niwa, Ma Long still has some mental issues, still couldnt be up to 100% all the time, made som uncharracteristic mistakes, well .. if he can sort this out, he will beat even Yan An, but I am really not sure about Zhang Jike..
Really, look at his game.. He starts at some level.. suddenly he loses.. what happened against Gardoš set 3? He was down after losing a set.. suddenly his game went up.. then up.. even more up.. unstopable..
I dont know how and who will be able to stop this.. maybe noone..
I really wish Ma Long wins the tournament, but I am not sure after what I have seen..

pingpingpongpong
05-19-2013, 02:59 AM
Ma Long 4-2 Timo Boll (close 6th set)
Wang Hao 4-2 Yan An
Zhang Jike 4-1 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 4-2 Matsudaira Kenta

pingpingpongpong
05-19-2013, 03:07 AM
And ovtcharov lost again to a german in the round of 16..

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2013, 03:14 AM
I won't make predictions on scores. I think ZJK could win 4-0 if he shows up. He won't. He won't be taking Patrick Baum as a serious threat and will lose a few games before he wakes up and finishes it. The next round he will take seriously when he plays Xu Xin.

But for you Wang Hao and Ma Long fans, there is something to be afraid of. Yan An looked like a beast today against Chuang Chih-Yuan. I think Yan An will beat Wang Hao and if Yan An loses to Ma Long, it could be close and could be the match of the tournament. Yan An's style matches pretty well against Ma Long. And Ma Long had more trouble than he should have against Koki Niwa.

JooLoureno
05-19-2013, 09:31 AM
My Predictions:

Ma Long 3-4 Timo Boll
Wang Hao 4-2 Yan An
Zhang Jike 4-0 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 3-4 Matsudaira Kenta

I have faith in european star and in the surprise of the tournment (k.m.). hahaha

Dan
05-19-2013, 09:44 AM
Bat control guys :) Might be of interest thanks to Butterfly


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=om7rncERlFg

Spinandspeed
05-19-2013, 09:47 AM
My predictions:
Yan An-Wang Hao 4-2
Ma Long- Timo Boll 2-4
Zhang Jike- Patrick Baum 4-3
Xu Xin- Kenta Matsudaira 4-1

etiennecha
05-19-2013, 10:00 AM
Can't believe my eyes. Wang Hao's such a boss -_-

pingpingpongpong
05-19-2013, 10:03 AM
Yeah Wang Hao... Those nerves are just legit!!

My prediction is correct about this match hehe

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2013, 10:04 AM
I won't make predictions on scores. I think ZJK could win 4-0 if he shows up. He won't. He won't be taking Patrick Baum as a serious threat and will lose a few games before he wakes up and finishes it. The next round he will take seriously when he plays Xu Xin.

But for you Wang Hao and Ma Long fans, there is something to be afraid of. Yan An looked like a beast today against Chuang Chih-Yuan. I think Yan An will beat Wang Hao and if Yan An loses to Ma Long, it could be close and could be the match of the tournament. Yan An's style matches pretty well against Ma Long. And Ma Long had more trouble than he should have against Koki Niwa.

Well, I am prepared to eat my words. Wang Hao's experience, game tactics, intelligence and short game were too much for Yan An today. But, Yan An had a darn good tournament.

etiennecha
05-19-2013, 10:06 AM
Yep, can't help feeling a bit sad because it would definitely have been interesting to see Yan An play against Ma Long or Zhang Jike

Alborz
05-19-2013, 10:09 AM
Wang Hao wins !!!!

nabilatouni
05-19-2013, 10:38 AM
In live from Paris guys :D
Ma Long is playing amazingly well! 3909

nabilatouni
05-19-2013, 10:38 AM
Yeah Timo just wins the third set!!

pingpingpongpong
05-19-2013, 11:17 AM
Indeed a close 6th set for Ma Long

judah000
05-19-2013, 11:22 AM
damn! i was chooing like crazy everytime ma long wins a point. hahahah btw thanks dan for the repair. :))

sumangupa
05-19-2013, 11:26 AM
who won the boll vs long match guys?..scores?

nabilatouni
05-19-2013, 11:29 AM
It's Ma Long!
Now Xu XIn vs Kenta Matsudaira! And the Japanese team is here ;)
3910

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2013, 11:57 AM
Okay, Ma Long struggled with Timo and Wang Hao used tactics, experience and his short game to take care of Yan An. Not that different than what Wang Hao did to Ma Long in the semis at the Worlds in 2011. Lets see if Ma Long can handle it. I am not so sure he can. Yan An's short game and backhand are better than Ma Long's.


Will Ma Long get over the hump and beat Wang Hao in the semis this year. Until today I thought he would. But, after seeing today's matches I am not so sure.


I think Yan An might have taken care of Ma Long. I think Wang Hao has a real shot.

Alborz
05-19-2013, 01:26 PM
ZJK is unstoppable !! he was 10-6 down in 3rd game then boost and win that game 12-10 and destroy Patrick in the next games !!! no one even Xu Xin or Ma Long can stop him.
ML vs WH will be a nice match . i hope ML wins it .
ZJK vs XX : i think ZJK will win 4:1 or 4:0
ML vs WH : i think ML will win 4:3
if ML face ZJK in final ZJK will win 4:2 or 4:1 . he is just unstoppable !!

Arlen
05-19-2013, 01:47 PM
Ma Long 4-2 Timo Boll (close 6th set)
Wang Hao 4-2 Yan An
Zhang Jike 4-1 Patrick Baum
Xu Xin 4-2 Matsudaira Kenta
Holy cow you some kind of godly predictor or whattt..

Dan
05-19-2013, 01:49 PM
Holy cow you some kind of godly predictor or whattt..

What a prediction haha!

Imagine putting a bet on that :)

TableTennisDaily
05-19-2013, 01:51 PM
Okay guys! Wow how great were the quarter final matches!

What are your semi final predictions?

My predictions:

Xu Xin 4-2 Zhang Jike
Ma Long 4-1 Wang Hao

craniumburn
05-19-2013, 01:53 PM
pingpingpongpong...your predictions all came true.. nice call!:)

Lan
05-19-2013, 02:08 PM
My bet: Ma Long 4-2 Wang Hao
Xu Xin 4-3 Zhang Jike

vipt2000
05-19-2013, 02:24 PM
Li Xiao Xia!!!

Arlen
05-19-2013, 02:24 PM
New grandslam champ! Li Xiaoxia 4-2!!

sunilcse04
05-19-2013, 02:39 PM
Timo is trying to change his game to play closer to the table which is the same techinique used by Japanese players.. he is not able to block efficiently and balls goes out.. If you see his game here.. when he suddenly tries to mix with close and far play, he hits the ball out.. Xu Xin and Ma Long have not changed much.. Xu Xin still loves to play far from table with long extended arm(maybe thats why he has less control compared to Ma Long) whereas Ma Long now does not extend his arm completely to just keep control..

nabilatouni
05-19-2013, 02:41 PM
My bet: ZJK - Xu Xin 4-2. I think Zhang Jike is the only one who can beat Xu Xin and he proves during this championships he is unstoppable.And, my heart goes naturally towards ZJK...
Ma Long - Wang Hao 4-3. Ma Long played well today but he showed some difficulties against Timo Boll. I think his match will be interesting and I want to see how Ma Long will behave and overcome his difficulties.

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2013, 03:11 PM
I won't say # of games. But, I think this:

ZJK beats XX

WH beats ML

I hope I am wrong and ML can pull it out. I don't really care who wins between ZJK and XX but I hope ML wins and don't think he will.

A ML v ZJK final would be fun and great for the sport.

craniumburn
05-19-2013, 03:33 PM
taiwan won the mens double finals!

pingpingpongpong
05-19-2013, 03:57 PM
I think ZJK has already find a good way to defeat ML already...

and ML has to go through WH first, who ended his progress in 09 and 11

Dan
05-19-2013, 04:04 PM
taiwan won the mens double finals!

What an incredible final! Just amazing!

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Ben Larcombe
05-19-2013, 04:10 PM
The way Kenta has used tactics and adjusted his game to give himself the best chances of winning has really impressed me these last few days.

nabilatouni
05-19-2013, 04:13 PM
I'm soooo happy for Chinese Taipei what a good final :D
Now I'm excited for the men's semis!!

u_echizen
05-19-2013, 04:52 PM
I think the best double would be Ma Long and Xu Xin..

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bricephan
05-19-2013, 05:43 PM
The game between Zhang Jike and Xu Xin is about to start ^^ My prediction is Xu Xin win against Zhang Jike 4-3 :>

Dan
05-19-2013, 05:47 PM
These semi finals are going to be epic! The suspense has built up for so long now! Join us in the live streaming guys: http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/ittfstream.php?do=ittf

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 06:12 PM
zhang jike is dominant leading 2-0 but bad luck for XX he is forced to change his paddle. Lets hope it wont affect him

etiennecha
05-19-2013, 06:25 PM
Not quite the ZJ that we have seen over the last months -_- has he found love in paris or what :x

bricephan
05-19-2013, 06:25 PM
noooooo Xu Xin plzzz wake up :(((

chuklebolt
05-19-2013, 06:36 PM
whoahhhh... just whoah....

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 06:38 PM
Not quite the ZJ that we have seen over the last months -_- has he found love in paris or what :x

Well everybody talked about how low his performance was prior to the WTTC. He is human not god he cant win all the world tour opens, today he proved once more that he is the man to do the job, totally outsmarted Xu Xin. XX had his chances but he should have changed his game earlier, he gave ZJK a real headache but in the last two sets only

sumangupa
05-19-2013, 06:44 PM
when is the long hao match?

Alborz
05-19-2013, 06:45 PM
ZJK totaly destroys XX !

bricephan
05-19-2013, 06:47 PM
Zhang Jike seems to read XX's tactics so well, he was precise in every single move. Especially ZJK used a lot down-the-line topspin to finish the ball. What a change!

Steven
05-19-2013, 06:50 PM
when is the long hao match?

21:45 Paris time, directly after the Women's doubles match.

Trismegistus
05-19-2013, 06:51 PM
Sad to say, but this is another failure of Xu Xin to show up for an important match
Lost 4-3 to Chen Qi in WTTC 2009
Lost 4-1 to an aging WLQ in WTTC 2011
Lost 4-0 to Ma Long in World Cup 2012
Lost 4-0 to Zhang Jike in WTTC 2013

In these last 3 losses especially, he has failed to show up with his active game....he just played passively and defended the whole time. He is so good when he is flowing freely and creating awesome shots, but when there is pressure he seems to become too tense...and because his game really requires him to make these athletic shots, tension really kills him. I was hoping that he had gotten over this issue, but it doesn't seem to be the case. As for Zhang Jike....he played well - but this was a "solid" performance rather than a "special" one. The sad thing for XX is that he didn't even make ZJK play his best in order to win comprehensively.

Michal_Z
05-19-2013, 07:05 PM
Well Xu Xin could do anything and he wouldnt win..
I dont think anyone can beat Zhang in this form..
Just what I wrote earlier..
Anyways I hope Ma Long can do it.
If Ma Long will lose to Wang Hao - which I hope he wont, Zhang will win for sure.
If Ma Long goes to the finals, he can beat Zhang, I hope he can..
It will be pretty interesting match for sure! :)
I only hope we wont get another Zhang Jike vs. Wang Hao final, because that will be really boring..

Denni
05-19-2013, 08:02 PM
Did not expect Xu Xin will lose so badly. Wow, ZJK tied all XX's movements. A shot to the edge of FH, then followed by a shot to BH XX. Such a simple tactic, but surely not easy to execute when play with such a highly skill player like XX. Great play by ZJK.

TTLondon2012
05-19-2013, 08:04 PM
Ma Lin/Hao Shuai vs Chuang Chih-Yuan/Chen Chien-An (Final)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLKZqh-NG50

Lan
05-19-2013, 08:08 PM
damn it, Ma Long is loosing it you could tell from those easy mistakes

MDanielCRO
05-19-2013, 08:10 PM
Come on Ma Long, change the history ://

gregor07
05-19-2013, 08:19 PM
Ma Long has the worst backhand in the China national team

rhonis
05-19-2013, 08:21 PM
ma long lost it. unbelievable how can ma long be beaten this much?

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fsodre84
05-19-2013, 08:23 PM
Hi everyone,

has anyone seen Ma Long around? Wang Hao is waiting for him at the table.

Milad Loves Timo Boll
05-19-2013, 08:23 PM
My lovely Tiger is wining:cool:

Sali
05-19-2013, 08:24 PM
anybody have the idea about new rubbers Chinese use in Paris? I mean the one with blue sponge, even Liu Shiwen has it.

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 08:29 PM
ma long lost it. unbelievable how can ma long be beaten this much?

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ma long is weak mentally, so it not that unbelievable. He has match point right now in the 4th set. lets see if he proves me wrong

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 08:31 PM
the crowd is with ma long, fantastic atmosphere! its a pity if he wont make it to the final. Watching a 4th ZJK WH encounter will be disappointing

HLDang
05-19-2013, 08:35 PM
anybody have the idea about new rubbers Chinese use in Paris? I mean the one with blue sponge, even Liu Shiwen has it.


They aren't new, just Blue sponge Hurricane 3

rhonis
05-19-2013, 08:36 PM
ma long is weak mentally, so it not that unbelievable. He has match point right now in the 4th set. lets see if he proves me wrong

I hope he finds his state of mind and beats Wang with 4-3. that would be history and the end for Wang's international career?

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TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 08:47 PM
I hope he finds his state of mind and beats Wang with 4-3. that would be history and the end for Wang's international career?

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he is now trailing 3-2. he needs to pump up himself more he doesnt celebrate not choeing at all. It would be relaxing for him to celebrate more and will clear his mind

Ben Larcombe
05-19-2013, 08:54 PM
Why does it say Dubai on their sleeves?

etiennecha
05-19-2013, 08:55 PM
http://tabletennista.com/2013/3/wang-hao-deserves-to-be-in-the-2013-world/ Such a boss :D

rhonis
05-19-2013, 08:56 PM
he is now trailing 3-2. he needs to pump up himself more he doesnt celebrate not choeing at all. It would be relaxing for him to celebrate more and will clear his mind

he lost his mind again in the last set. It will be an interesting final between jike and Wang. Who is the smartest player of the two?

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Denni
05-19-2013, 08:56 PM
And Ma Long is stoped in semi final again :(

gregor07
05-19-2013, 08:58 PM
Now i hate ma long

Sali
05-19-2013, 08:59 PM
I think Wang Hao has some problems with his back. During 5 set he was walking quite strange, and after the match he was running to the changing room holding his back. Well we'll see it tomorrow.

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 09:07 PM
Why does it say Dubai on their sleeves?

dubai is their new sponsor for the past 4-5 months approximately

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 09:15 PM
Hi everyone,

has anyone seen Ma Long around? Wang Hao is waiting for him at the table.

that is by far the most funny post in this thread :P

Ben Larcombe
05-19-2013, 09:20 PM
dubai is their new sponsor for the past 4-5 months approximately

Dubai, as in the place? :S

Tommy Lee
05-19-2013, 09:24 PM
Which you prefer ? :)

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/bf4c986bgw1e4go0fj5jwg20aa0e6kjn.gif vs http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/bf4c986bgw1e4guy2r51ig20c80ek7wk.gif

TTFrenzy
05-19-2013, 09:30 PM
Dubai, as in the place? :S

haha yes it sounds weird but its not, the UAE want to promote it throughout the world for tourism and financial investments.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dubai_to_sponsor_chinas_national_table_tennis_team/

gregor07
05-19-2013, 09:31 PM
I prefer Wang Hao

Kevzar
05-19-2013, 09:52 PM
Wang Hao is in great form, hope he finishes that losing streak against ZJK, but probably still 4-2 ZJK, I hope 4-3 WH

yurybarquero
05-19-2013, 09:55 PM
As a Ma Long Fan I have nothing to say. Wang Hao just played superb table tennis. Ma long could not handle his nerves. When I was matching the match I just thought ¨Ma long will not be able te beat Zhang Jike if he happened to get to the final¨. Zhang Jike just get to another level under pressure while Ma Long succumbs. :(

TableTennisDaily
05-19-2013, 09:58 PM
As a Ma Long Fan I have nothing to say. Wang Hao just played superb table tennis. Ma long could not handle his nerves. When I was matching the match I just thought ¨Ma long will not be able te beat Zhang Jike if he happened to get to the final¨. Zhang Jike just get to another level under pressure while Ma Long succumbs. :(

Good summary, I don't think Ma Long was expecting Wang Hao to come out all guns blazing in the first few sets! Wang Hao's backhand was exceptional!

Steven
05-19-2013, 10:21 PM
I'm a bit disappointed by the second half of today.
The day started with some amazing quarter finals... Xu Xin vs Kenta Matsudaira was a very special match and I loved how Kenta actually outblocked the player with the world's best footwork. Timo brought the same tension into the arena as he did in Rotterdam against Zhang Jike. But after Baum failed to take the lead while being 10-6 up against Zhang it all went downwards.
Baum couldn't even get close to Zhang anymore and the last SF place went lost to China as well. The men's doubles final was a small highlight (China has held this cup for 20 years!) but even though Chien and Chuang are a great team, Ma Lin and Hao Shuai looked slow and unmotivated.
I was hoping for Liu Shiwen to grab the title, but Li Xiaoxia was simply better today.
And the men's semi finals... I don't think the crowd has been this silent the past week... I hoped for anything but another Wang Hao-Zhang Jike final but they got an easy trip there. They deserved it of course, but I hope the final will be a lot more interesting than the semi finals because those were depressing..

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2013, 10:53 PM
Alright, I am going to say this and I don't think any of the Ma Long fans out there are going to like it.


I was hoping Ma Long could win the World Championships this year and put the whole discussion to rest. But, two things I saw this morning in the first two quarter final matches (Ma Long v Timo Boll and Wang Hao v Yan An) made me realize he could not win and made me realize he would lose to Wang Hao.


First, I saw Timo make Ma Long struggle with a good and intelligent short game. Second, I saw Wang Hao use the short game and the same Jedi mind tricks on Yan An in their quarter final match that he used on Ma Long in 2011 WTTC.


Yan An's short game is better than Ma Long's. Yan An's BH is better than Ma Long's. But Ma Long's FH is better than anyone's so people sometimes seem to miss this that his short game is not as good as it needs to be.


So when I saw Ma Long struggling against Timo and what Wang Hao did to Yan An, I had a feeling Ma Long still could not handle Wang Hao.


It was not nerves. Ma Long would never have gotten past Timo without Liu Gouliang in his corner. Liu Gouliang saved Ma Long several times in that match when he was falling prey to Timo's short game.


I knew, against Wang Hao, he would not have LG in his corner. I knew he could not handle the short game and the Jedi mind trick. Wang Hao was nice and eased up for games 4 and 5. In game 6 he decided to end it: and look at the score.


Zhang Jike's short game is good enough to handle Wang Hao, and in big events, against the better players, he comes to play and win. He did not show up for Baum. He knew he could win without being fully there. He showed up for Xu Xin. He will show up tomorrow.


I believe Zhang Jike will win. But we will see what Wang Hao has up his sleeve.


And, unless Ma Long gets a real top flight short game and improves his backhand, he cannot win WTTC. But, honestly, I think this was his last chance.

JustAlt
05-19-2013, 10:57 PM
Wow. I knew it would be tough for Ma Long against Wang Hao but that was much worse than I thought. I mean, in the end the match was awesome and the athmosfere was great at the stadium, but Ma Long was sweating allready before the match when he bought his equipment bag next to the court.

He was literally looking sick and nervous. He was very hesitant and seemed to fail at anything he tried. Even Wang Hao seemed to not like it, he wouldn't wan't to win that way. Then in the 4th set being 3-0 down in sets he managed to free his mind and unleash the beast in him. And the croud (including me, a fan of Wang Hao) was really with him. Then he just lost it again in the 6th, while simultaneously Wang Hao was upping his game.

In the end I think it was a great match with some super rallies, Ma Long just didn't have the mentality to finish his comeback this time.
Now let's just hope that there is nothing serious going on with Wang Hao's back and we'll have two great final matches tomorrow.
Allez!

TTFrenzy
05-20-2013, 01:55 AM
Alright, I am going to say this and I don't think any of the Ma Long fans out there are going to like it.


I was hoping Ma Long could win the World Championships this year and put the whole discussion to rest. But, two things I saw this morning in the first two quarter final matches (Ma Long v Timo Boll and Wang Hao v Yan An) made me realize he could not win and made me realize he would lose to Wang Hao.


First, I saw Timo make Ma Long struggle with a good and intelligent short game. Second, I saw Wang Hao use the short game and the same Jedi mind tricks on Yan An in their quarter final match that he used on Ma Long in 2011 WTTC.


Yan An's short game is better than Ma Long's. Yan An's BH is better than Ma Long's. But Ma Long's FH is better than anyone's so people sometimes seem to miss this that his short game is not as good as it needs to be.


So when I saw Ma Long struggling against Timo and what Wang Hao did to Yan An, I had a feeling Ma Long still could not handle Wang Hao.


It was not nerves. Ma Long would never have gotten past Timo without Liu Gouliang in his corner. Liu Gouliang saved Ma Long several times in that match when he was falling prey to Timo's short game.


I knew, against Wang Hao, he would not have LG in his corner. I knew he could not handle the short game and the Jedi mind trick. Wang Hao was nice and eased up for games 4 and 5. In game 6 he decided to end it: and look at the score.


Zhang Jike's short game is good enough to handle Wang Hao, and in big events, against the better players, he comes to play and win. He did not show up for Baum. He knew he could win without being fully there. He showed up for Xu Xin. He will show up tomorrow.


I believe Zhang Jike will win. But we will see what Wang Hao has up his sleeve.


And, unless Ma Long gets a real top flight short game and improves his backhand, he cannot win WTTC. But, honestly, I think this was his last chance.

great post! Especially the part about short game and coaching with timo. I agree that if boll played ma long without coaches boll would win

I believe his chances are not over..from the upcoming young generation chinese, only Yan An is convincing enough to compete so I believe he still has some chances. Till 2015 anything can happen so I think its a bit early to predict if his chances are over or not. The same predictions were made by many chinese people against wang hao after the loss of 2008. They called him a loser and he proved them wrong the next year after winning wttc 2009 and the chinese national games (against ma long again! ahaha!) which is a very prestigious event for china.

Besides no one expected wang hao to win, They said he is too old too slow he is a loser, and yet he still managed to get to the final and defeat ma long once again.

People should stop asking whether ML is better than ZJK. The question now is if WH can outsmart ZJK, ML is not even in the picture of world table tennis.

3 semi finals 3 losses. No more excuses fore ML. WH and ZJK are far better

huri
05-20-2013, 05:28 AM
so it s here again only this time it s zjk s chance to change the history and become the player with the most major titles, with the count 4 exactly like waldner. whatt is probably even more for him is that he can actually be better than those who didn t trust him before he won the first title.Today he really can come out of the shadow of the great lgl and klh. It will be interesting to see what this kind of preasure will do to him. Can t wait to find out.

DexBG
05-20-2013, 05:32 AM
Actually, I didn't see any progress in the Ma Long's technical game since WTTC 2011. He still have the same weak backhand and therefore looses all the backhand rallies. I think the person to blame is his coach since he didn't train him properly.

UpSideDownCarl
05-20-2013, 05:39 AM
great post! Especially the part about short game and coaching with timo. I agree that if boll played ma long without coaches boll would win

I believe his chances are not over..from the upcoming young generation chinese, only Yan An is convincing enough to compete so I believe he still has some chances. Till 2015 anything can happen so I think its a bit early to predict if his chances are over or not. The same predictions were made by many chinese people against wang hao after the loss of 2008. They called him a loser and he proved them wrong the next year after winning wttc 2009 and the chinese national games (against ma long again! ahaha!) which is a very prestigious event for china.

Besides no one expected wang hao to win, They said he is too old too slow he is a loser, and yet he still managed to get to the final and defeat ma long once again.

People should stop asking whether ML is better than ZJK. The question now is if WH can outsmart ZJK, ML is not even in the picture of world table tennis.

3 semi finals 3 losses. No more excuses fore ML. WH and ZJK are far better

Fair Point. You cannot fully count him out. But if he cannot play a better short game and handle it when someone keeps him from attacking, and if he cannot play better from the backhand side so he can control the points, he will not beat the current top players in the big tournaments and the next generation, including Yan An and Fan Zhendong, are only going to build on the talent they already have. In a few years, those two guys are doing to be dominating.

chuklebolt
05-20-2013, 06:04 AM
Carl, I'm still a newbie in table tennis so please give me a little idea of the importance of the short games and perhaps how Ma Long could adjust for improvements. Because, to be honest, I think short games are just much easier than the looping and opening topspin rally, etc. Is it something to do with placing the shots with disguised racket face and place them into unexpected, hard-to-loop areas?

dan1guy
05-20-2013, 06:28 AM
At first if it was wang hao vs zjk i wouldve thought zjk would be able to win it easily. though that is what i thought with ma long vs wang hao...
nevertheless it will be a thoroughly interesting match

Alborz
05-20-2013, 06:33 AM
ZJK vs WH : i think ZJK will win 4:0 or 4:1 .

UpSideDownCarl
05-20-2013, 06:45 AM
Carl, I'm still a newbie in table tennis so please give me a little idea of the importance of the short games and perhaps how Ma Long could adjust for improvements. Because, to be honest, I think short games are just much easier than the looping and opening topspin rally, etc. Is it something to do with placing the shots with disguised racket face and place them into unexpected, hard-to-loop areas?

Short game is all the stuff over the table that keeps your opponent from attacking or making an opening attack that is strong enough to hurt you. And short game is also your ability to attack anything that is over the table regardless of where it is.

If your short game is good enough to keep your opponent from being able to launch an attack then you have put him at a huge disadvantage. If your short game is good enough that, what ever your opponent gives you, you can attack it in a way that exploits your opponent's weaknesses or wins you the point outright, then, you have a huge advantage.

Part of short game is how low you can keep your pushes. The placement is of course an important part as well. But, if you can make a push that has a very low bounce, and is very short, for instance, say you push and the top of the bounce of your push is half the hight of the net and the first bounce is 4 inches past the net and it would bounce several times before reaching the end of the table, and that push is right in the center of the table, that is a very hard ball to attack. Short game has everything to do with touch and control. Now, say your opponent gives you that push I just described, or a serve with similar hight, spin and placement, and you can loop that with good pace and heavy spin from your backhand, to the middle, the deep forehand or the deep backhand, that is going to be hard for the opponent to handle.

Go and watch how Zhang Jike loops over the table with his backhand. His opponents rarely can tell where he is about to go with his shots because he is so good at that over the table backhand. Part of that, for him is also that his footwork is amazing. You really cannot have a good short game without good footwork.

Looping is easy compared to the touch of a really high level short game. And looping underspin if it comes past the edge of the table is easy. If you are forced to do it when the ball is short, low and over the table, it is not so easy.

pingpingpongpong
05-20-2013, 06:49 AM
Ma Long's mentality is just like Dima's.. Both of them are very powerful but nothing when without their respective coaches.

When Wang Hao defeated Yan An, I know Wang Hao is back already and he would win against Ma Long.. I just did not think that ML will lose 3 straight sets at first.

About the finals, it would be the most interesting matchup after Rotterdam, Paris (2011 World Cup), and London because both of them already has one title each. None of them will play under pressure of having to earn a title. Both of them plays very good in big events. Whoever wins would be a success, as I look forward to the most amazing match of this year, and the after-match sportsmanship of Wang and Zhang would be interesting... Maybe they will tear their shirts off together..

And with this Parisian crowd, our expectations will be met..

and hey, that is two upsets according to rankings in the semis.. (ZJK 4 def XX1 ; WH3 def ML2)

Arlen
05-20-2013, 07:00 AM
Man, really surprising results. Ma Long just doesn't play well during crucial moments, and Wang Hao is just the exact opposite.Very great tactics from him. I wonder how these China v. Chine matches would have been if they had coaches.

And as for Jike's match against Xu Xin' the result was even more surprising. I was hoping ZJK would win, but not really expecting it. Beating Xu Xin in 4-0 is just crazy!

The finals later on will really be exciting. If both Wang and Zhang can perform like they did in their earlier matches, its gonna be a great final between the two. Hopefully we will see a repeat of their match during the WTTC trials earlier this year.

chuklebolt
05-20-2013, 07:11 AM
Short game is all the stuff over the table that keeps your opponent from attacking or making an opening attack that is strong enough to hurt you. And short game is also your ability to attack anything that is over the table regardless of where it is.

If your short game is good enough to keep your opponent from being able to launch an attack then you have put him at a huge disadvantage. If your short game is good enough that, what ever your opponent gives you, you can attack it in a way that exploits your opponent's weaknesses or wins you the point outright, then, you have a huge advantage.

Part of short game is how low you can keep your pushes. The placement is of course an important part as well. But, if you can make a push that has a very low bounce, and is very short, for instance, say you push and the top of the bounce of your push is half the hight of the net and the first bounce is 4 inches past the net and it would bounce several times before reaching the end of the table, and that push is right in the center of the table, that is a very hard ball to attack. Short game has everything to do with touch and control. Now, say your opponent gives you that push I just described, or a serve with similar hight, spin and placement, and you can loop that with good pace and heavy spin from your backhand, to the middle, the deep forehand or the deep backhand, that is going to be hard for the opponent to handle.

Go and watch how Zhang Jike loops over the table with his backhand. His opponents rarely can tell where he is about to go with his shots because he is so good at that over the table backhand. Part of that, for him is also that his footwork is amazing. You really cannot have a good short game without good footwork.

Looping is easy compared to the touch of a really high level short game. And looping underspin if it comes past the edge of the table is easy. If you are forced to do it when the ball is short, low and over the table, it is not so easy.

Thank you Carl!! It must be really difficult to get the perfect short pushes at such high level. I know that short balls with lots of backspin inside the table is difficult to attack but then again I've never really thought short games would be the weakness of Ma Long because it seems comparatively more simple than vigorous topspin actions :)

bzing
05-20-2013, 07:55 AM
Also when it comes to forehand short game. When you watch Ma Long vs Wang Hao, Ma Long mostly pushes the ball trying to add even more backspin to it and that it's easy to loop because it's very predictable for the opponent. When you watch Zhang Jike in the match with Xu Xin, ZJK lifts the ball with his forehand, doing the opposite of push and causing the ball to float making more difficult to loop. Notice ZJK extreme open angle of the bat when he receives a short ball to his forehand.

Sometimes you could even hear Ma Long banging with the edge of his bat on the table surface because of him trying to chop the ball too much instead of Zhang Jike's method of doing the opposite which is lifting the ball up and placing it very delicately right behind the net with his very open bat angle.

TableTennisDaily
05-20-2013, 09:15 AM
Today will see the Men's Singles Final which begins at 14.30GMT between Zhang Jike and Wang Hao! (photo: Remy Gros) Who are you routing for?

The final will be live on TTD thanks to the ITTF here: http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/ittfstream.php?do=ittf

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judah000
05-20-2013, 09:15 AM
Wow. I knew it would be tough for Ma Long against Wang Hao but that was much worse than I thought. I mean, in the end the match was awesome and the athmosfere was great at the stadium, but Ma Long was sweating allready before the match when he bought his equipment bag next to the court.

He was literally looking sick and nervous. He was very hesitant and seemed to fail at anything he tried. Even Wang Hao seemed to not like it, he wouldn't wan't to win that way. Then in the 4th set being 3-0 down in sets he managed to free his mind and unleash the beast in him. And the croud (including me, a fan of Wang Hao) was really with him. Then he just lost it again in the 6th, while simultaneously Wang Hao was upping his game.

In the end I think it was a great match with some super rallies, Ma Long just didn't have the mentality to finish his comeback this time.
Now let's just hope that there is nothing serious going on with Wang Hao's back and we'll have two great final matches tomorrow.
Allez!


well said there!! watching the results for ma long against wang hao really pains my heart...though everyone has its own time, but in ma long's case it seems wttc was never meant for him. but for sure i will be still and forever his no.1 fan. hahaha. just like his elder MA lin who was always stopped by WANG liqin, but managed to win the olympics and 4 world cups. i just hope ma long would defend his title in this year's WC.

PolishTT
05-20-2013, 10:09 AM
Guys... Didn't ma long look kind of tired in the matches against timo wang hao? :D

mefisto81
05-20-2013, 10:16 AM
can someone translate what wang hao said to ma long at the end of the match?

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DexBG
05-20-2013, 10:39 AM
can someone translate what wang hao said to ma long at the end of the match?

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According to the lampnmarco's comment of the youtube video, Wang Hao said - "you've done really good after dropping the first three sets and don't be so sad".

nabilatouni
05-20-2013, 11:23 AM
I've read on youtube as well that he said "you used to be way better than that!"

Arlen
05-20-2013, 11:45 AM
I've read on youtube as well that he said "you used to be way better than that!"

Lol that's def not true. I understand chinese but his mouth was hard to read. Logically probably something consoling, after that upset. I didn't see them shake hands so whatever he said was probably in place of the handashake (?). :p

nabilatouni
05-20-2013, 11:58 AM
Lol that's def not true. I understand chinese but his mouth was hard to read. Logically probably something consoling, after that upset. I didn't see them shake hands so whatever he said was probably in place of the handashake (?). :p

Yes I hoped he couldn't say that to Ma Long^^ It will be really harsh from Wang Hao to say those words Ma Long!

DexBG
05-20-2013, 12:07 PM
Lol that's def not true. I understand chinese but his mouth was hard to read. Logically probably something consoling, after that upset. I didn't see them shake hands so whatever he said was probably in place of the handashake (?). :p
Yeah, I looked it over and over again and I cannot understand why they didn't make handshake? I remember few years ago Zhang Jike didn't make handshake with Ma Long after loosing 4:0 and afterwards he was criticized a lot by the Chinese coaches and fans.

jmillsy2
05-20-2013, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I looked it over and over again and I cannot understand why they didn't make handshake? I remember few years ago Zhang Jike didn't make handshake with Ma Long after loosing 4:0 and afterwards he was criticized a lot by the Chinese coaches and fans.


zhng made a point of making sure ma couldnt shake his hand though. this is different, wang hao obviously offered words of consolation rather than the handshake as he knew ma long was upset.
I want him to win the final now!

chopong
05-20-2013, 01:22 PM
Guys... Didn't ma long look kind of tired in the matches against timo wang hao? :D
I think that you are right it seemed tired mentally and physically, Too much easy errors for his standard. Wang Hao was super smart.
I do not think it is a technical problem related to backhand and short game, I think he was tired maybe too much training or wrong timing.
Also maybe is a mental block, he knows he can play each shot very well and during the match may not accept the fact he is not 100% and must adapt the tactic to a more conservative approach. Of course conservative for Ma Long may consist to force the forehand instead of starting with backhand. I remember a match where he was in trouble with a backhand to backhand approach and was able to successfully switch to a mainly forehand play. Yesterday was barely able to react somehow in the last two game.
I hope he will not stop trying, he is great and inspiring to watch when he is in form (and he is in form most of the time).

Sali
05-20-2013, 01:23 PM
Quite strange what you write about Ma Long. I am not a fan of him, but to be honest if he is in a good shape, it is really hard to beat him. I remember last year ZJK tried many times, one time even he did not shake ML hand after losing. Of course ML is not very intelligent player, his way of playing is very concentrated to attack each ball. The problem is, that when he is not in a good shape he doesn’t change his strategy. That is why he is losing. I prefer smarter players like Waldner or in nowadays Kenta Matsudaira. Anyway I prefer Wang Hao to win.

craniumburn
05-20-2013, 02:00 PM
one thing i see is ma long and xu xin having trouble with players who plays close to the table and are good blockers. xu xin had trouble with kenta matsudaira's blocks and close table game and ma long with timo's game. they also had trouble with zjk and wang hao's close table play

chopong
05-20-2013, 02:03 PM
I do not think he is not intelligent, quite the opposite he is very smart much more than Zang Jike. He can manage to win with every opponent in a very consistent way, much more than anyone and you cannot do that with brute force alone. It is required a great deal of tactic and technique.
The problem is with World Championships it seems that he has a drop in form at the final stages and he is not mentally prepared for that.

DexBG
05-20-2013, 02:25 PM
What is the equipment of Zhang Jike in Paris? Is he using Tenergy 80 on backhand?

Sali
05-20-2013, 02:27 PM
I did not mean he is not intelligent, just the way he plays is very simple. Look at his serve, it is not very complicated and there are not many of them, also block. Compare it for instance with Wang Hao or ZJK, the both mix serve a lot, they change their tactics during the game.

chopong
05-20-2013, 02:36 PM
Zang Jike is again World Champion, congratulation to him

Vardant
05-20-2013, 02:37 PM
What is the equipment of Zhang Jike in Paris? Is he using Tenergy 80 on backhand?Tenergy 05 FX on Viscaria.

Lan
05-20-2013, 02:39 PM
Well, he deserved it

pingpingpongpong
05-20-2013, 02:40 PM
Wang Hao almost got it. Those who voted for Wang Hao in this thread's poll comprised only roughly 3% of all votes... hahaha

chopong
05-20-2013, 02:41 PM
I did not mean he is not intelligent, just the way he plays is very simple. Look at his serve, it is not very complicated and there are not many of them, also block. Compare it for instance with Wang Hao or ZJK, the both mix serve a lot, they change their tactics during the game.

I think Ma Long has a lot of variations, honestly I cannot say if more or less than WH and ZJ, but he has a lot of service and variation. I think his problem is when something basic for him is not working, he really is not prepared. For example when he misses first attack on the forehand or is not able to reach a relatively simple ball he does not know what to do to get back in the game, for the very reason that it does not happen frequently :-)

Alborz
05-20-2013, 03:09 PM
great match !!! ZJK is again world champion:cool:

TTFrenzy
05-20-2013, 03:11 PM
The 4th game was really crucial WH was winning 10-7 but lost the set. He gave a very good fight though, he could win it this time,but in the end he made more mistakes than ZJK

firdausnazeri
05-20-2013, 03:50 PM
Zhang Jike! Bcome wttc champion again, haha, sound he predicted to lose earlier in this forum thread, but he had a good luck.... Haha

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WiWa
05-20-2013, 03:50 PM
The 4th game was really crucial WH was winning 10-7 but lost the set. He gave a very good fight though, he could win it this time,but in the end he made more mistakes than ZJK
That 4th game really showed how mentally strong and smart Zhang Jike is. Problem with their finals is that they don't give spectacular rallies alot, it is much of the same, with a little variation leading to a rally every now and then. But those two guys master aspects of the game that are still relatively unknown to players like Ma Long and Xu Xin. Ma and Xu often only have a plan A, for every situation. Wang and Zhang can change plans or score smart points at crucial moments. They win close games more often because they have something extra at the end, which Xu and Ma often don't have.

I think this result, together with the titles Zhang won in the previous years, should leave no doubt about who (overall) is the best player of this moment :)

jmillsy2
05-20-2013, 04:28 PM
all i know is i wont be supporting ma long in a major competition again hehe :P

i thought this year may be his year but....nope. zhang took it again.

i hope yan an kicks on now, i like his gamestyle...
plus the korean guy, kang dong soo impresses me too....:)

sumangupa
05-20-2013, 04:33 PM
I feel bad for Ma Long. I seriously do. I just hope he keeps trying. He sensational to watch most of the time. And I'm so upset as his fan, God knows how he must be feeling. He is as good as ZJK and Hao, but somehow he takes all the pressure of the world on himself. I have a documentary on him where his coaches said the same thing. He wants to perform so well all the time that a slight dip in his game leaves him distraught. I just hope he comes back and does well again.

And ZJK is one of the smartest players China has ever produced. No shit.

TableTennisDaily
05-20-2013, 04:57 PM
What a breath taking championships! Pure epic!

Spinandspeed
05-20-2013, 05:08 PM
I feel bad for Ma Long. I seriously do. I just hope he keeps trying. He sensational to watch most of the time. And I'm so upset as his fan, God knows how he must be feeling. He is as good as ZJK and Hao, but somehow he takes all the pressure of the world on himself. I have a documentary on him where his coaches said the same thing. He wants to perform so well all the time that a slight dip in his game leaves him distraught. I just hope he comes back and does well again.

And ZJK is one of the smartest players China has ever produced. No shit.

I think Ma Long will win the WTTC in 4 years when no one will think of him anymore. No pressure=WTTC!

TurboZ
05-20-2013, 05:13 PM
This could be a much closer final if WH really got the will to pull it. He said his goal of this tournament was already fulfilled after he beat Yan An. The win over Ma Long is simply a bonus as he had more lost than win in the recent years, may be 2-3 win in 10. The final with ZJK is just not expected by any. Not even WH himself or any coaches of CNT. Too bad WH had a slow start and ZJK made all the perfect moves since game one. WH had pull many impossible shots that no one can return except ZJK. As LGL said ZJK won on his footwork where WH simply can't match. Too bad WH failed to grab game 4 while he should and the edge on game 6 just sealed the game. It is safe to say no one can touch ZJK if he keep playing like this. It is the start of another cycle of a new Grand Slam. Go for it!

TTLondon2012
05-20-2013, 06:45 PM
Zhang Jike vs Wang Hao (Final)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6kRAge10o

TTLondon2012
05-20-2013, 08:47 PM
Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen vs Li Xiaoxia/Guo Yue (Final)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1D7Nd3--Ag

Arlen
05-21-2013, 06:08 AM
well done to Jike! Although I have to say the match overall was somewhat boring. A lot of great rallies ruined by the touch of the net, if you watch carefully. But still, I don't think anybody expected Wang Hao in the finals.

markog99
05-21-2013, 01:11 PM
HELLO!! :D
does anybody know the name of the song that was playing everytime the players were entering the arena?

sugomori
05-21-2013, 06:47 PM
The result should be seen in light of the fact that ZJK was not able to successfully execute parallel counter topspins in both the XX & WH matches. He still won convincingly, because he simply has more options available than the other players, and is able to execute them in a way to inhibit his opponents top level play - this is why some of his matches are less exciting than other ones.

Replace just 50% of the missed parallel counterloops, and the result would have been even more lopsided (and he may have chosen that strategy more often). Scary!

ZJKs performance, while obviously at much higher level than in previous competitions this year (purposefully trained for peak performance at WTTC?), clearly has not topped out at the WTTC.

lachr
05-22-2013, 11:04 PM
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http://lachristiansen.wordpress.com/

Lasse

prince
05-23-2013, 12:25 PM
i cant view the videos on youtube...please how can i view it? i am in Ghana....

Arlen
05-24-2013, 02:27 PM
Tenergy 05 FX on Viscaria.

Don't think so. Pretty sure its just the usual; Hurricane III on FH and Tenergy 64 on BH with a Viscaria blade.

Alborz
05-24-2013, 03:30 PM
Tenergy 05 FX on Viscaria.

Don't think so. Pretty sure its just the usual; Hurricane III on FH and Tenergy 64 on BH with a Viscaria blade.


yes , i'm sure he is using T64 on BH .

TsukuyomiS
05-24-2013, 09:10 PM
HELLO!! :D
does anybody know the name of the song that was playing everytime the players were entering the arena?
Fairy tail ost- Erza no theme, if that's the one you mean. I was ecstatic when I heard it :D

OT, I really wanted to see Mizutani make a breakthrough this time, no idea what happened to him. I'm glad that Kenta and Koki put on a good fight, I hope they can keep getting closer to the top players.

UpSideDownCarl
05-25-2013, 01:59 AM
I think Ma Long will win the WTTC in 4 years when no one will think of him anymore. No pressure=WTTC!

I think, in four years, it will be the time when Yan An and some of the younger generation like Fan Zhendong will be having their day. In four years Ma Long will be about the age Wang Hao is now.

UpSideDownCarl
05-25-2013, 02:02 AM
That 4th game really showed how mentally strong and smart Zhang Jike is. Problem with their finals is that they don't give spectacular rallies alot, it is much of the same, with a little variation leading to a rally every now and then. But those two guys master aspects of the game that are still relatively unknown to players like Ma Long and Xu Xin. Ma and Xu often only have a plan A, for every situation. Wang and Zhang can change plans or score smart points at crucial moments. They win close games more often because they have something extra at the end, which Xu and Ma often don't have.

I think this result, together with the titles Zhang won in the previous years, should leave no doubt about who (overall) is the best player of this moment :)

Great post.

UpSideDownCarl
05-25-2013, 02:07 AM
yes , i'm sure he is using T64 on BH .

Are you sure? Did you see a clear photo of his rubber. I have heard from fairly reliable sources that he has recently switched to T05 FX. So, Vardant could very well be right.


Tenergy 05 FX on Viscaria.

UpSideDownCarl
05-25-2013, 02:12 AM
One thing I think is funny, in the posts, there are almost the same number of votes for Zhang Jike and Wang Hao combined (the two finalists) as there are for Xu Xin, and there are more than 2x as many votes for Ma Long than there were for the two finalists combined.

Shows how much we all know, right. :)

On the poll I voted for Ma Lin, not because I thought he would win, but, because, at the time, I saw only 1 vote for him and I thought it was fun to vote for him.

Dan
05-25-2013, 06:25 AM
One thing I think is funny, in the posts, there are almost the same number of votes for Zhang Jike and Wang Hao combined (the two finalists) as there are for Xu Xin, and there are more than 2x as many votes for Ma Long than there were for the two finalists combined.

Shows how much we all know, right. :)

On the poll I voted for Ma Lin, not because I thought he would win, but, because, at the time, I saw only 1 vote for him and I thought it was fun to vote for him.

I agree the voting on TTD is crazy in comparison to results. I think people are voting for who they would like to win at times. I voted for Timo as I would love to see him win, however I thought Ma Long would win in it. Thinking about it, I had two votes and neither player got to the final haha :)

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Alborz
05-25-2013, 06:57 AM
yes , i'm sure he is using T64 on BH .

Are you sure? Did you see a clear photo of his rubber. I have heard from fairly reliable sources that he has recently switched to T05 FX. So, Vardant could very well be right.


Tenergy 05 FX on Viscaria.


i don't see a clear photo but you can see his BH still has the power of before . T05-fx is very slower than T64 so i think he is still using T64 .



I agree the voting on TTD is crazy in comparison to results. I think people are voting for who they would like to win at times. I voted for Timo as I would love to see him win, however I thought Ma Long would win in it. Thinking about it, I had two votes and neither player got to the final haha :)

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yes , i voted for ZJK but i think Ma Long will win it :)

markog99
05-25-2013, 08:45 AM
Fairy tail ost- Erza no theme, if that's the one you mean. I was ecstatic when I heard it :D

OT, I really wanted to see Mizutani make a breakthrough this time, no idea what happened to him. I'm glad that Kenta and Koki put on a good fight, I hope they can keep getting closer to the top players.
thank you!!!

JustAlt
05-25-2013, 09:15 AM
i don't see a clear photo but you can see his BH still has the power of before . T05-fx is very slower than T64 so i think he is still using T64 .



yes , i voted for ZJK but i think Ma Long will win it :)



His backhand would be powerfull even with an unboosted Sriver.

Alborz
05-25-2013, 05:25 PM
i don't see a clear photo but you can see his BH still has the power of before . T05-fx is very slower than T64 so i think he is still using T64 .



yes , i voted for ZJK but i think Ma Long will win it :)


is backhand would be powerfull even with an unboosted Sriver.

it is powerful with unboosted Sriver but not as powerful as with a boosted T64 .

JustAlt
05-25-2013, 05:35 PM
it is powerful with unboosted Sriver but not as powerful as with a boosted T64 .

Well, the point was that the difference between the two Tenergys -especially both heavily boosted- would make a very little if at all difference in the power or speed of Zhang Jikes backhand that it would be impossible to say what rubber he is using by watching him play.

Quote from "Chinese Team- Bat pictures!"


I think this needs some attention: (Pictures are not mine, I took them from another forum but are worth sharing)

Zhang Jike's Viscaria
Tenergy 05-FX & Hurricane 3
3916
3917

Alborz
05-25-2013, 06:10 PM
ok , i have no answer :) but still we can't be sure that this bat is ZJK's personal bat.

TTLondon2012
05-29-2013, 09:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEK63j00a34

janus
06-01-2013, 04:59 PM
►(ms-final) ZHANG Jike - WANG Hao [HD] [Full Match/Short Form]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLY3JwRgTg