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Giangt
01-20-2014, 07:58 PM
The official TableTennisDaily discussion where we post and talk about Fan Zhendong's equipment. Any changes he has made or any pictures you find, post into here to discuss!

Date: January 2014

Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS V
Forehand Rubber: Hurricane 3
Backhand Rubbers: Tenergy 05

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/fanzhendongchina.jpg

http://tabletennista.com/up/posts/117694318_11n.365x265.jpg

Any rare pictures or details about Fan Zhendong's equipment post below. I will update this first post with new pics and information when we have some.

TT-Chris
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
I can't believe how powerful he plays with this Setup :). I thought my technique is good but I feel can't produce half of the FH Power with this setup! Maybe the H3 for the Pro Players are faster. Insane...

Cornel
01-16-2015, 06:18 PM
that's a very interesting configuration for FZD

Argothman
01-17-2015, 03:30 AM
I can't believe how powerful he plays with this Setup :). I thought my technique is good but I feel can't produce half of the FH Power with this setup! Maybe the H3 for the Pro Players are faster. Insane...

It's well known that Chinese players boost their Hurricanes heavily - they also use heavier blades that you normally find in production, so they get maximum power.

TTjhonel04
01-17-2015, 05:30 AM
I thought that he's blade was a customized one? a BTF Viscaria blade with an Infinity VPS handle... not sure of it but I've just read it with the past few blogs here in TTD. :)

Outerveneer
01-17-2015, 06:13 AM
Nice I play with the same blade! I can't understand why I don't get the same power.. :rolleyes:

Tony's Table Tennis
01-17-2015, 09:42 AM
I thought that he's blade was a customized one? a BTF Viscaria blade with an Infinity VPS handle... not sure of it but I've just read it with the past few blogs here in TTD. :)

Yeah, he is using Viscaria with Infinity handle.
I don't think anything on FZD is Stiga (his sponsor), not even the glue

TTjhonel04
01-17-2015, 10:51 AM
Yeah, he is using Viscaria with Infinity handle.
I don't think anything on FZD is Stiga (his sponsor), not even the glue

ahh.. thanks for clarifying that to me :DD.. now I'm sure that what I am saying is correct :)

slevin
01-17-2015, 11:03 AM
Why do you think he's using Viscaria?

Here's his interview on his equipment choice. It is too specific to give if he were using Viscaria.

http://saletabletennis.com/sharing-all-table-tennis-information/fan-zhendong-china-national-team-equipment-question-answering/

Sali
01-17-2015, 11:05 AM
Please do not believe what ads saying. None of chinese player uses stiga blade. Most of cases they are custom blades with sponsor handle.

Tony's Table Tennis
01-17-2015, 01:11 PM
Please do not believe what ads saying. None of chinese player uses stiga blade. Most of cases they are custom blades with sponsor handle.

Lots of Chinese national and provincial are using Stiga blades. In all fairness, Stiga has very good wood blades and is the main blade brand in China.
I just don't understand why Stiga don't make a clone Viscaria for FZD

Slevin, there are a few threads in this forum already, please do a search and you will get the answers you wanted.
One of my answer is rubbers taken off FZD's bat and the blade clearly states Viscaria - from Tokyo WTTTC

Sali
01-17-2015, 01:23 PM
Yes maybe in lower leagues it is possible. I know stiga is popularny in china. But when amateurs turn to pro players most of them have custom blade and they never change it, just the sponsor handle. Of course none of them admit that he has custom blade, because of sponsorship agreement.

UpSideDownCarl
01-17-2015, 01:42 PM
Yeah, he is using Viscaria with Infinity handle.
I don't think anything on FZD is Stiga (his sponsor), not even the glue

At first I didn't think it was the case but I think Tony may have inside information so, I am just going to trust him on this that FZD is probably using a Viscaria with an Infinity handle.

I thought it would be weird that Stiga would let him do that and that he would want to do that rather than just getting Stiga to make a blade for him that fits his specs. But I think Tony may know something more than we do.

And there are photos of FZD holding a blade with no rubbers on it that has an Infinity handle and the blade face says Butterfly Viscaria. I thought they may be photoshopped but, who knows. If someone really knows FZD or someone he knows and knows FZD is actually using a Viscaria, then I will trust it is possible.

bachikho
01-17-2015, 02:22 PM
where's the pic plz?

Tony's Table Tennis
01-17-2015, 02:39 PM
Yes maybe in lower leagues it is possible. I know stiga is popularny in china. But when amateurs turn to pro players most of them have custom blade and they never change it, just the sponsor handle. Of course none of them admit that he has custom blade, because of sponsorship agreement.

Not just lower, my friends in 1st division (jia a) is using Stiga
I know some players in Super and also using Stiga

In fact few of CNT A team players also using Stiga (real ones)

UpSideDownCarl
01-17-2015, 02:41 PM
where's the pic plz?

You will have to search the forum. There is another thread on this same subject that has some photos. One thing it does show conclusively, from the photos from matches, what ever blade FZD is using, it is not an Infinity.

Tony's Table Tennis
01-17-2015, 02:44 PM
At first I didn't think it was the case but I think Tony may have inside information so, I am just going to trust him on this that FZD is probably using a Viscaria with an Infinity handle.

I thought it would be weird that Stiga would let him do that and that he would want to do that rather than just getting Stiga to make a blade for him that fits his specs. But I think Tony may know something more than we do.

And there are photos of FZD holding a blade with no rubbers on it that has an Infinity handle and the blade face says Butterfly Viscaria. I thought they may be photoshopped but, who knows. If someone really knows FZD or someone he knows and knows FZD is actually using a Viscaria, then I will trust it is possible.

Thanks Carl
Another thing one can look at is just to find FZD hi res pics with rubbers on and see if there is any Stiga writing on the blade surface - just below the rubber.
Sadly - no....

But any ways, whether FZD uses Stiga or not doesn't really matter. It's more the companies who choose to "advertise" totally different that raises an ethical question. Stiga isn't the only company to do such thing.
There is the "marketing" part of this - ie Timo Boll premades, but then there is another saying Player XYZ uses these blades+rubbers.
And even if the players are using such blade and rubbers, the professional range and commericial range is totally different too

cmhtbx
08-25-2016, 03:24 AM
what does he use now in 2016???

laistrogian
08-25-2016, 06:24 AM
what does he use now in 2016???

Still the same thing. Viscaria with Hurricane 3 National and Tenergy 05. Pro players rarely make equipment changes (with some exceptions)

Raylazyfo
08-25-2016, 02:35 PM
it is because you use western technique, if zou want to play with chinese rubbers you need to put your legs into the shot more (chinese technique)

Raylazyfo
08-25-2016, 02:36 PM
it is your technique

Raylazyfo
08-25-2016, 02:39 PM
yes for example xu xin

manmoon
08-25-2016, 02:49 PM
This has been well known in China! See the attached picture.

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Tony's Table Tennis
08-25-2016, 09:08 PM
The pic I shared had FZD's T05 rubber with the same print (stains) on the sponge after just taken off the "stiga" blade lol
one of my contacts still has that rubber, and he was there when FZD took off the rubber from his "stiga" blade.

You know, its nerve breaking to understand how a Butterfly print got onto the "stiga" blade
Must be some Asian Magic....

countrybread
08-26-2016, 10:17 PM
So if I understand this correctly, Stiga and Fan Zhendong are a bunch of bald-faced liars with no qualms about deceiving the public. Just taking this discussion to its logical conclusion. Nothing more.

rokphish
08-27-2016, 12:38 AM
And they're not the only ones...

Tony's Table Tennis
08-27-2016, 11:10 PM
So if I understand this correctly, Stiga and Fan Zhendong are a bunch of bald-faced liars with no qualms about deceiving the public. Just taking this discussion to its logical conclusion. Nothing more.

Yep, and they aren't the only ones.
You really think the Tenergy you have and the Tenergy those Butterfly players have is 100% the same?
This information has been available on forums for a long time, so most "power users" will know that what the pros use is totally different from advertising and commercial versions.

It is your newbies that will get tricked into over spending.
Ie those Timo Boll premade bats.... seriously.. How can Timo Boll even be linked to such entry level equipment.

A ZLC blade with ZJK name on can cost more.
ZJK has nothing to do with that blade, other than just marketing photos.

In some brands like Yasaka, a Ma Lin (named) blade cost the same with any other Yasaka blade.
So I don't see why some brands want to overcharge

Makes you wonder if TT is really about sport or the money

dirtyD
08-28-2016, 12:18 AM
Its very disappointing to see this kind of deception in a sport where most people have to rely on the word of others when buying equipment. especially when equipment is getting more and more expensive.

Shuki
08-28-2016, 12:59 AM
I don't see how the why the deceit is such a big deal. Any decent player wouldn't fall into "if pros use this I should use it"

And if a bad player falls into it, well then that's good, the stiga blade has more control and for a beginner in this instance it was good for them. Newbies chasing after what the pros use can't control the stuff regardless of if its what's advertised or what they use.


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rokphish
08-28-2016, 01:09 AM
Advertising is a common thing. Do you think any famous people who model for any items is using them?

People gullible enough to think otherwise have their own selves to blame.

UpSideDownCarl
08-28-2016, 01:16 AM
Yep. A good blade for any player who is lower level than semi-pro doesn't need to cost more than $50.00 and could be had for as little as $16.00 if you were on a budget.

All those blades with player names on them, marketing. Nothing more.


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dirtyD
08-28-2016, 01:27 AM
Ya, I put my old rubbers on a generic 7 ply blade that came with a junk table. I like it more than some of the blades i paid top dollar.

rokphish
08-28-2016, 01:43 AM
Generally, more expensive equipment does play better, due to better material, design, development, etc. Whether they are over priced is a different matter. Whether they are the right fit for you, for your level, or for your expectations.

One could play well with very cheap or cheap equipment, yes. Does that mean the expensive stuff is a bust? No.

TTHopeful
08-28-2016, 10:29 AM
This has been well known in China! See the attached picture.
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How do you 100% know this is Fan Zhendongs?

manmoon
08-28-2016, 02:12 PM
I think this is very obvious. I choose to believe it :-). If you choose not to believe it, it is your choice and I will not try to persuade you :-).

UpSideDownCarl
08-28-2016, 03:09 PM
I think this is very obvious. I choose to believe it :-). If you choose not to believe it, it is your choice and I will not try to persuade you :-).

It may be. It may not be. But, from photos from matches, there is absolutely no doubt that FZD uses a 7 ply blade that has ALC plies. It could be a Viscaria or a TB ALC but there is no doubt it is a blade with a similar construction to one of those. Which means it cannot be a Stiga Infinity. There have also been times when FZD had a snafu with his blade with the Infinity handle and the backup blade he used was a Viscaria.

Then there is the fact that someone on this thread actually knows people who know FZD and know he is using a Viscaria.

So you can choose to believe what you like. But FZD is using a Butterfly blade with a Stiga handle. Which blade is probably best revealed in the fact that, before his contract with Stiga FZD used a Viscaria. And during his contract with Stiga he has used a Viscaria with a Butterfly Viscaria handle in an ITTF tournament when his main racket had a problem.

However, you are free to think, decide and believe whatever you want.


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Shuki
08-28-2016, 03:13 PM
It could be a Viscaria or a TB ALC

Woah, that's some hella mind games. infinity handle, with the words viscaria on the blade face, and the actually being a tb alc. Next thing you know we're going to hear, FZD is using tb alc composition but with an arylate carbon being made by nexy.

UpSideDownCarl
08-28-2016, 06:14 PM
Woah, that's some hella mind games. infinity handle, with the words viscaria on the blade face, and the actually being a tb alc. Next thing you know we're going to hear, FZD is using tb alc composition but with an arylate carbon being made by nexy.

When you see the side, it could be any number of ALC blades, all of which are really the same basic ply construction with a different handle.

If someone is assuming that photo of the Viscaria with the infinity handle is fake, and I am not going to try to convince them the photo is real, THEN I HAVE TO CONCEDE THAT a TB ALC, a TB Spirit and a Viscaria cannot be distinguished if you are looking at a photo that shows them from the side with a Stiga handle. So from photos from match play, of the plies of FZD's blade, it could be any of those blades mentioned or any number of others that I didn't list.

But, oh yeah, why am I responding? I forgot that often you don't read fully or get the context of a comment. And that sometimes you like to argue first and read more fully after.

From sources who know FZD IT IS A VISCARIA. But from photos of his blade from the side, taken in international tournaments YOU CANNOT TELL which specific ALC blade it is. EXCEPT OF COURSE IN THE TOURNAMENT I mentioned where FZD USED A VISCARIA WITH A VISCARIA HANDLE.

But who knows, perhaps it is a Nexy blade with Viscaria print and a Stiga handle. I heard tell that Der_Echte uses a Nexy blade with a Tibhar handle.



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ajtatosmano2
08-28-2016, 06:57 PM
Just to show the differences between pro equipment and commercial: I've heard this in a U18 tournament last week, someone's relate, who is also a tt player (pro player) said that to his phone: 'My rubber is damaged, I need a new one...yes, but tell him not to send me a 05, but a 06...yes...if he haven't got one now, send me a 01.'
We know one rubber (e.g: Bluefire M1) and there is at least six pro version of it with different characteristics.

Shuki
08-28-2016, 07:27 PM
When you see the side, it could be any number of ALC blades, all of which are really the same basic ply construction with a different handle.

If someone is assuming that photo of the Viscaria with the infinity handle is fake, and I am not going to try to convince them the photo is real, THEN I HAVE TO CONCEDE THAT a TB ALC, a TB Spirit and a Viscaria cannot be distinguished if you are looking at a photo that shows them from the side with a Stiga handle. So from photos from match play, of the plies of FZD's blade, it could be any of those blades mentioned or any number of others that I didn't list.

But, oh yeah, why am I responding? I forgot that often you don't read fully or get the context of a comment. And that sometimes you like to argue first and read more fully after.

From sources who know FZD IT IS A VISCARIA. But from photos of his blade from the side, taken in international tournaments YOU CANNOT TELL which specific ALC blade it is. EXCEPT OF COURSE IN THE TOURNAMENT I mentioned where FZD USED A VISCARIA WITH A VISCARIA HANDLE.

But who knows, perhaps it is a Nexy blade with Viscaria print and a Stiga handle. I heard tell that Der_Echte uses a Nexy blade with a Tibhar handle.



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I read fully. My response was meant to lighten the mood of frustrations people are having with pros faking equipment. I was taking it to another extreme.

Like when playing a brain game and you read your opponents read on you. I was saying that the mind games of hiding their paddles could to even deeper than just the handle to mess with people even more.

I make bad jokes that people can't tell are jokes without my actually being there. Sorry if I came across as taking that part of your comment seriously.

The assumption you made, that I only read that part and responded to that part is a damn good assumption since I do that often. Maybe if I did that less often it would have been more clear I was joking. Again sorry for poor taste :)


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UpSideDownCarl
08-28-2016, 10:17 PM
I read fully. My response was meant to lighten the mood of frustrations people are having with pros faking equipment. I was taking it to another extreme.

Like when playing a brain game and you read your opponents read on you. I was saying that the mind games of hiding their paddles could to even deeper than just the handle to mess with people even more.

I make bad jokes that people can't tell are jokes without my actually being there. Sorry if I came across as taking that part of your comment seriously.

The assumption you made, that I only read that part and responded to that part is a damn good assumption since I do that often. Maybe if I did that less often it would have been more clear I was joking. Again sorry for poor taste :)


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Sorry. My bad. I only realized it could be a joke on editing. Now that I see it was indeed a joke, sorry for not giving you the benefit of the doubt.


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countrybread
08-29-2016, 03:51 AM
Maybe Fan Zhendong is using a fake handle. Maybe he isn't. I don't pretend to know one way or the other. Although my preference is to wait and not base judgments on random pictures and internet rumors. Just saying.

UpSideDownCarl
08-29-2016, 04:33 AM
Maybe Fan Zhendong is using a fake handle. Maybe he isn't. I don't pretend to know one way or the other. Although my preference is to wait and not base judgments on random pictures and internet rumors. Just saying.

There are hundreds of photos over years of his blade from matches where you can see the plies are the plies of a 7 ply ALC blade. This isn't just recent and random speculation.

rokphish
08-29-2016, 04:56 AM
Actually, he used to use this...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160829/6c9652ba33de95132fcecd87a35a5b18.jpg

I took possession of that blade after he lost to me in pissing contest... Whoever can write his name faster on the floor won the bet... Now you know...

TTHopeful
08-29-2016, 09:38 AM
I think this is very obvious. I choose to believe it :-). If you choose not to believe it, it is your choice and I will not try to persuade you :-).

I think you are right, just wondered the source/reference of the photo.

Zaid323918
02-10-2017, 04:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAxj8PKOuw
Can someone please explain this. Is FZD using the carbonado 190 or is Stiga lying?

UpSideDownCarl
02-10-2017, 04:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAxj8PKOuw
Can someone please explain this. Is FZD using the carbonado 190 or is Stiga lying?

It is hard to say. The best evidence is when someone gets a good photo of the blade when he leaves it on the table during a match and you can see the plies clearly.

12109

12110

Those should not look too similar to a Viscaria even though both are 7 ply. You should be able to tell if it looks more like one than the other.

It is totally possible that he changed. But he has said before that he used Stiga products in advertisements and interviews when he definitely was not. LGL has been in those same ads with him before too. :) So he and LGL have definitely lied before in advertisements and interviews about FZD's equipment.

Mumon
02-10-2017, 10:38 PM
does hes still use t05 on his BH in 2017?

yoass
02-11-2017, 02:05 PM
Who is this Hes?

UpSideDownCarl
02-12-2017, 02:14 PM
Who is this Hes?

I think it is just a typo. No need to worry. Read it as "he":

"does he still use t05 on his BH in 2017?"


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MegaZZ
02-13-2017, 07:03 AM
It is hard to say. The best evidence is when someone gets a good photo of the blade when he leaves it on the table during a match and you can see the plies clearly.

12109

12110

Those should not look too similar to a Viscaria even though both are 7 ply. You should be able to tell if it looks more like one than the other.

It is totally possible that he changed. But he has said before that he used Stiga products in advertisements and interviews when he definitely was not. LGL has been in those same ads with him before too. :) So he and LGL have definitely lied before in advertisements and interviews about FZD's equipment.

Want to share some thoughts of mine. In the ad above, Fan Zhendong definitely claims he uses Stiga Infinity but he never says he uses Carbonado. He says he has tested it and lists Carbonado 190 positive features. Thats all. Also in above ad, LGL doesn't say anything about what FZD uses, he simply says Stiga is a the official supplier for CNT and also estimates perhaps 2/3 CNT players using Stiga blade (which I do have doubts about but anyway)

About one year ago (in early 2016) I was lucky to be in the training hall where the 2016 Chinese trials took place (had a friend who was a Sina sport journalist and she managed to get me inside). FZD was standing next to me after his match against Xu Xin and had his bat dangled in front of me as he was talking to a coach after the match. I got a good look at it . The bat had 7 plies, it indeed had a Stiga Infinity handle but you could clearly see blue ALC plies akin to what you see on a Viscaria. I own a Carbonado 145, 2 x Stiga Infinity and Viscaria and I can definitely tell you that it wasn't a Carbonado or Infinity. Of course I can't prove it's a Viscaria but whatever it is, it definitely had blue ALC plies to it and had 7 plies.

Of course that was a year ago and he may have changed although I think it's the same blade as 2016... It's definitely not a Stiga Infinity or Carbonado (which as mentioned above he never said he used anyway).

Zaid323918
02-13-2017, 02:34 PM
Want to share some thoughts of mine. In the ad above, Fan Zhendong definitely claims he uses Stiga Infinity but he never says he uses Carbonado. He says he has tested it and lists Carbonado 190 positive features. Thats all. Also in above ad, LGL doesn't say anything about what FZD uses, he simply says Stiga is a the official supplier for CNT and also estimates perhaps 2/3 CNT players using Stiga blade (which I do have doubts about but anyway)

About one year ago (in early 2016) I was lucky to be in the training hall where the 2016 Chinese trials took place (had a friend who was a Sina sport journalist and she managed to get me inside). FZD was standing next to me after his match against Xu Xin and had his bat dangled in front of me as he was talking to a coach after the match. I got a good look at it . The bat had 7 plies, it indeed had a Stiga Infinity handle but you could clearly see blue ALC plies akin to what you see on a Viscaria. I own a Carbonado 145, 2 x Stiga Infinity and Viscaria and I can definitely tell you that it wasn't a Carbonado or Infinity. Of course I can't prove it's a Viscaria but whatever it is, it definitely had blue ALC plies to it and had 7 plies.

Of course that was a year ago and he may have changed although I think it's the same blade as 2016... It's definitely not a Stiga Infinity or Carbonado (which as mentioned above he never said he used anyway).

In the video Liu Guoliang says that as far as he knows FZD id using Carbonado

MegaZZ
02-13-2017, 02:53 PM
In the video Liu Guoliang says that as far as he knows FZD id using Carbonado

Just re-watched the video, yes LGL does say the above which I missed before when I was posting so thanks for pointing out! FZD says he is using Stiga Infinity in an earlier part of the video and tested Carbonado 145 and 190. By definition they can't both be right unless he is alternating blades which is pretty hard to believe.

The rest is the same as my above post, I don't think FZD or LGL told the truth. In 2016 I think FZD was using a 7 play blade with blue ALC layers. Could it be a Viscaria (seems like a reasonable guess as he was known to use it before and also quite a few other CNT players are openly using it) or a custom blade which no-one knows about?

Zaid323918
02-13-2017, 05:24 PM
Just re-watched the video, yes LGL does say the above which I missed before when I was posting so thanks for pointing out! FZD says he is using Stiga Infinity in an earlier part of the video and tested Carbonado 145 and 190. By definition they can't both be right unless he is alternating blades which is pretty hard to believe.

The rest is the same as my above post, I don't think FZD or LGL told the truth. In 2016 I think FZD was using a 7 play blade with blue ALC layers. Could it be a Viscaria (seems like a reasonable guess as he was known to use it before and also quite a few other CNT players are openly using it) or a custom blade which no-one knows about?

Yeah I believe that FZD uses Viscaria due to the images people have shown. I don't know if they were just cropped or something but then there also is the fact that Zhang Jike uses Viscaria. His style is very similar to FZD's so it seems possible.

fxri
02-14-2017, 02:01 AM
anyone knows what bh rubber did he use in the latest wttc trial?