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zjkfanforever
02-21-2014, 03:33 AM
GAC Asian Cup 2014, 20-22 March, Wuhan, China

GAC Asian Cup 2014 will be held from March 20-22, 2014 in Wuhan, China Here are the confirmed men's and women's players on the date of final entry (February 20, 2014).

China's Zhang Jike, the World #1 has entered the Asian Cup as the #1 seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/malongwttc2013.jpg
Ma Long has replaced Zhang Jike - Photo by: Source: Xinhua/Chen Shaojin



Mens Singles Players


1
Ma Long
CHN
WR1


2
Fan zhendong
CHN
WR5


3
CHUANG Chih Yuan
TPE
WR9


4
MIZUTANI Jun
JPN
WR13


5
MATSUDAIRA Kenta
JPN
WR15


6
GAO Ning
SIN
WR20


7
TANG Peng
HKG
WR21


8
CHEN Chien An
TPE
WR23


9
KIM Min Seok
KOR
WR27


10
JIANG Tianyi
HKG
WR31


11
LEE Jungwoo
KOR
WR36


12
KIM Hyok Bong
PRK
WR50


13
SANIL SHANKAR SHETTY*
IND
South Asia


14
Chaisit Chaitat*
THA
South East Asia


15
Ibrahem Al-Hassan*
KUW
West Asia


16
Nima Alamyan*
IRI
Middle Asia




Womens Singles Players


1
Ding Ning
CHN
WR2


2
LI Xiaoxia
CHN
WR3


3
FENG Tianwei
SIN
WR4


4
FUKUHARA Ai
JPN
WR9


5
ISHKAWA Kasumi
JPN
WR10


6
SEO Hyowon
KOR
WR12


7
JIANG Huajun
HKG
WR14


8
YU Mengyu
SIN
WR20


9
SEOK Hajung
KOR
WR21


10
LEE Ho Ching
HKG
WR23


11
CHENG I Ching
TPE
WR28


12
RI Myong Sun
PRK
WR30


13
ANKITA DAS*
Ind
South Asia


14
Nanthana KOMWONG*
THA
South East Asia


15
Aia Mohamed
QAT
West Asia


16


Wildcard

zjkfanforever
02-21-2014, 03:37 AM
For Hong Kong, I really think they should give the promising young player WONG Chun Ting (born in 1991) a chance instead of Tang Peng, who was born in 1981 and already 33 years old.

Alborz
02-21-2014, 06:02 AM
zjkfanforever can you make a poll for this thread? It will be very good of you do.
Zhang Jike is going to win it. His strongest opponent will be Fan Zhendong which he defeated 3:0 in China trails for WTTTC. Just a piece of cake for Zhang Jike.

pingpingpongpong
02-21-2014, 09:52 AM
For Hong Kong, I really think they should give the promising young player WONG Chun Ting (born in 1992) a chance instead of Tang Pend, who was born in 1981 and already 33 years old.

Well, Tang Peng is still one of the best in the world (taking note of his performance at the world cup last year) and HK's #1 currently. Wong Chun Ting has a lot of potential but he still has a lot to work on to gain a spot in such event.

Dan
02-21-2014, 10:40 AM
zjkfanforever can you make a poll for this thread? It will be very good of you do.


I have added the poll Alborz. Thanks for sharing this info @zjkfanforever

FisnikM
02-21-2014, 07:42 PM
I think Zhang Jike is going to win because he needs to qualify for the Men World Cup 2014 to complete the second grand slam

megabajsaren8
02-21-2014, 09:16 PM
I think Zhang Jike is going to win because he needs to qualify for the Men World Cup 2014 to complete the second grand slam

He is already qualified, the world champion is automaticlly qualified


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zjkfanforever
02-22-2014, 04:42 PM
Well, Tang Peng is still one of the best in the world (taking note of his performance at the world cup last year) and HK's #1 currently. Wong Chun Ting has a lot of potential but he still has a lot to work on to gain a spot in such event.

I think you are right. Also, I learned that in order to qualify for Asian Cup, you have to have top WR in December 2013. Since Wong's ranking was around 120 or something at that time and only made an impressive run at Kuwait Open recently, he probably won't be able to qualify for Asian Cup even HK team pull out Tang Peng.

Actually, I'm not very familiar with HK's players. Is Wong considered the best among younger players?

easyinfo
02-23-2014, 04:45 AM
I hope the final to be FZD vs Zhang Jike

zjkfanforever
03-06-2014, 02:34 AM
Updated Players List as of March 5, 2014



Mens Singles Players


1
Zhang jike
CHN
WR3


2
Fan zhendong
CHN
WR5


3
CHUANG Chih Yuan
TPE
WR9


4
MIZUTANI Jun
JPN
WR13


5
MATSUDAIRA Kenta
JPN
WR15


6
GAO Ning
SIN
WR20


7
TANG Peng
HKG
WR21


8
CHEN Chien An
TPE
WR23


9
KIM Min Seok
KOR
WR27


10
JIANG Tianyi
HKG
WR31


11
LEE Jungwoo
KOR
WR36


12
KIM Hyok Bong
PRK
WR50


13
Achanta Sharath Kamal*
IND
South Asia


14
Chaisit Chaitat*
THA
South East Asia


15
Ibrahem Al-Hassan* (withdrawal)
KUW
West Asia


16
Nima Alamyan*
IRI
Middle Asia




Womens Singles Players


1
Ding Ning
CHN
WR2


2
LI Xiaoxia
CHN
WR3


3
FENG Tianwei
SIN
WR4


4
ISHKAWA Kasumi
JPN
WR10


5
HIRANO Sayaka*
JPN
WR26


6
SEO Hyowon
KOR
WR12


7
JIANG Huajun
HKG
WR14


8
YU Mengyu
SIN
WR20


9
SEOK Hajung
KOR
WR21


10
LEE Ho Ching
HKG
WR23


11
CHENG I Ching
TPE
WR28


12
RI Myong Sun
PRK
WR30


13
ANKITA DAS*
Ind
South Asia


14
Nanthana KOMWONG*
THA
South East Asia


15
Aia Mohamed
QAT
West Asia


16


Wildcard

zjkfanforever
03-06-2014, 02:53 AM
GAC Asian Cup 2014 Schedule



Date

Time

Rounds



March 20 (Thursday)

9:00

Men's and Women's Group First Round




14:00

Men's and Women's Group Second Round




19:00

Men's and Women's Group Third Round



March 21 (Friday)

9:00

Men's and Women's Play-off Round




14:00

Men's and Women's Quarter Finals




19:00

Men's and Women's Semi Finals
Men's and Women's Matches to Determine the 9-16th Places? (not sure)



March 22 (Saturday)

13:00

Men's and Women's Matches to Determine the 3rd - 8th Places
Men's and Women's Finals

zjkfanforever
03-06-2014, 10:37 PM
Please note that previously announced dates of GAC Asian Cup 2014 were inaccurate. The correct dates should be March 20-22, 2014. I have updated it in the first post.

zjkfanforever
03-06-2014, 10:48 PM
PROSPECTUS
GAC 27th Table Tennis Asian Cup 2014



( March 20th –22nd, 2014 Wuhan, China)




http://www.attu.org/upload/asian%20cup/2014/GAC%2027th%20Asian%20Cup%202014%20-%20Prospectus.pdf (http://www.attu.org/upload/asian%20cup/2014/GAC%2027th%20Asian%20Cup%202014%20-%20Prospectus.pdf)


8. PLAYING METHOD

Twelve top players from Asia will be drawn into three groups (Group A, B and C) of 4 players each. The four players from each region will form a group (Group D) to compete in a "Continental Cup".

1st Stage: All four groups will play in a round-robin system. Winners and runners-up of Groups A, B and C will go directly to the 2nd Stage. 3rd position players of Group A , B and C will join the winner of Group D to play a single play-off match to determine the last two positions of 2nd Stage.
2nd Stage: Single knock-out to determine the top 8 positions.

ALL matches in stage 1 shall be played best of five (5) games and stage 2 shall be best of seven (7) games.

15. DRAW

a. The Press Conference and Draw for 1st Stage will take place on 19th March 2014, time is to be confirmed.

b. The draw for 2nd Stage will be held immediately after the completion of 1st Stage in the competition venue.

Der_Echte
03-07-2014, 01:26 AM
Looking forward to this competition!

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03-09-2014, 06:55 PM
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03-09-2014, 06:55 PM
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zjkfanforever
03-10-2014, 09:01 PM
The men's player's list was updated again as of March 10, 2014. Joo Sae Hyuk replaced Lee Jungwoo.


Asian Events News | 2014 Asian Cup Player Entry







Mens Singles Players



1
Zhang jike
CHN
WR3


2
Fan zhendong
CHN
WR5


3
CHUANG Chih Yuan
TPE
WR9


4
MIZUTANI Jun
JPN
WR13


5
MATSUDAIRA Kenta
JPN
WR15


6
GAO Ning
SIN
WR20


7
TANG Peng
HKG
WR21


8
CHEN Chien An
TPE
WR23


9
KIM Min Seok
KOR
WR27


10
JIANG Tianyi
HKG
WR31


11
Joo Sae Hyuk

KOR



12
KIM Hyok Bong
PRK
WR50


13
Achanta Sharath Kamal*
IND
South Asia


14
Chaisit Chaitat*
THA
South East Asia


15
Ibrahem Al-Hassan* (withdrawal)

KUW
West Asia


16
Nima Alamyan*
IRI
Middle Asia

Abaijon
03-13-2014, 01:44 PM
It would be such a nice surprise to see Mizutani or Matsudaira win. :rolleyes:

Rajah*
03-13-2014, 02:24 PM
That would be a great boost of morale seeing them joining the last 4 men standing giving the best game of their life

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TurboZ
03-13-2014, 02:47 PM
I think you are right. Also, I learned that in order to qualify for Asian Cup, you have to have top WR in December 2013. Since Wong's ranking was around 120 or something at that time and only made an impressive run at Kuwait Open recently, he probably won't be able to qualify for Asian Cup even HK team pull out Tang Peng.

Actually, I'm not very familiar with HK's players. Is Wong considered the best among younger players?

Wong has the biggest jump in ranking this month and now the third in HK behind Tang Peng and Jiang Tianyi. He definitely is the best of the young generation of HK now.

zjkfanforever
03-14-2014, 04:17 AM
Zhang Jike withdrew from Asian Cup 2014 due to injury. He was replaced by Ma Long.

Most updated men's player list as of March 13, 2014.

Asian Events News | 2014 Asian Cup Player Entry



Mens Singles Players



1
Ma Long
(Zhang jike withdrawal from injury)
CHN
WR1



2
Fan zhendong
CHN
WR5


3
CHUANG Chih Yuan
TPE
WR9


4
MIZUTANI Jun
JPN
WR13


5
MATSUDAIRA Kenta
JPN
WR15


6
GAO Ning
SIN
WR20


7
TANG Peng
HKG
WR21


8
CHEN Chien An
TPE
WR23


9
KIM Min Seok
KOR
WR27


10
JIANG Tianyi
HKG
WR31


11
Joo Sae Hyuk
KOR



12
KIM Hyok Bong
PRK
WR50


13
Achanta Sharath Kamal*

IND
South Asia


14
Chaisit Chaitat*
THA
South East Asia


15
Ibrahem Al-Hassan* (withdrawal)
KUW
West Asia


16
Nima Alamyan*
IRI
Middle Asia

TT4Life
03-14-2014, 08:35 AM
Ma Long has the highest winning % lolz

Alborz
03-14-2014, 08:40 AM
What the Fu**?! Zhang Jike withdraws again?! I was waiting for him to play :mad:
I'm sure he is not injured.
May be CNT coaches wants to give a chance to Ma Long to be in 2014 World Cup because if he wins the Asian Cup he will qualify for the World Cup. Zhang Jike will be qualified for World Cup since he is the World Champion.
Anyway i hope the final will be between Ma Long and Fan Zhendong.

Rajah*
03-14-2014, 01:35 PM
HuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwaT! :-D
Hmmm yes i agree with Alborz ^
From the wtttc china trial 1st slot zjk is in really good shape and i think they are reserving that for world cup since hes going to defend his title..

Sooooooooo zjk fans! We are given a chance to vote again hahahaha!

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Will Dexter
03-14-2014, 03:12 PM
well..if ma long entered, he will probably win

Alborz
03-14-2014, 04:39 PM
well..if ma long entered, he will probably winIf he wins it then we may see a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long match at World Cup.It would also be interesting to see Fan Zhendong wins it and qualifies for World Cup at the age of 17!

zjkfanforever
03-15-2014, 01:47 AM
cctv-5 will provide live stream for Asian Cup 2014 on following days and times

CCTV-5 Live Stream Address:http://www.cntv-5.com/cctv5.html



Date
Time
Rounds


March 20, Thursday
15:30 - 18:00
MS and WS Group


March 21, Friday
16:00 - 18:00
MS and WS Quarter Finals



22:15 - 24:00

Highlight/Replay



March 22, Saturday
16:30 - 18:00
MS and WS Finals




You can view Asian Cup Full Schedule here http://www.attu.org/com.php?id=607

TT4Life
03-15-2014, 07:22 AM
cool, thanks for the link

Arshia
03-17-2014, 02:39 PM
I think Ma Long and FZD are play in final and a Ma Long is wining!

Alborz
03-19-2014, 07:44 AM
It is reported that Zhang Jike got injured in China close training.

pingpingpongpong
03-19-2014, 11:02 AM
Group A - Ma Long, Mizutani Jun, Joo Sae Hyuk, Kim Hyok Bong
Group B - Fan Zhendong, Gao Ning, Chen Chien-An, Tang Peng
Group C - Chuang Chih-Yuan, Kenta Matsudaira, Kim Minseok, Jiang Tianyi

m4ndo
03-19-2014, 11:37 AM
lucky ones that are in group c!! Group a is far strongest...

anhemoy
03-19-2014, 11:38 AM
I think Ma Long will win :)

Alborz
03-19-2014, 12:00 PM
Group A - Ma Long, Mizutani Jun, Joo Sae Hyuk, Kim Hyok Bong
Group B - Fan Zhendong, Gao Ning, Chen Chien-An, Tang Peng
Group C - Chuang Chih-Yuan, Kenta Matsudaira, Kim Minseok, Jiang Tianyi
No one can beat Fan Zhendong in group B so he has 99% to get into main draw.
I'm waiting for Ma Long vs Joo Seahyuk match in group A. Best offensive player against best defender. It will be epic.

Arshia
03-19-2014, 12:24 PM
Alborz says correct.Group C is really easy!

Arshia
03-19-2014, 10:06 PM
How about D group?Just A B C ?

Dan
03-19-2014, 11:30 PM
Group A - Ma Long, Mizutani Jun, Joo Sae Hyuk, Kim Hyok Bong
Group B - Fan Zhendong, Gao Ning, Chen Chien-An, Tang Peng
Group C - Chuang Chih-Yuan, Kenta Matsudaira, Kim Minseok, Jiang Tianyi

Group A is strong!

All groups will have many good matches! This is going to be a great comp!

RampantLion
03-19-2014, 11:47 PM
I'm sure its ma long who will dominate.

zjkfanforever
03-20-2014, 05:40 AM
Result for March 20 morning's matches:



Group

Men


A
MA Long 3-0 Joo Sae Hyuk
MIZUTANI Jun 3-2 KIM Hyok Bong


B
FAN Zhendong 3-2 Chen Chien-An
GAO Ning 3-2 TANG Peng


C
CHUANG Chih-Yuan 3:2 KIM Min Seok

silvershamaa
03-20-2014, 05:51 AM
Result for March 20 morning's matches:



Group

Men


A
MA Long 3-0 Joo Sae Hyuk
MIZUTANI Jun 3-2 KIM Hyok Bong


B
FAN Zhendong 3-2 Chen Chien-An
GAO Ning 3-2 TANG Peng


C
CHUANG Chih-Yuan 3:2 KIM Min Seok



where did you find the results?:cool:

Arshia
03-20-2014, 07:35 AM
Ma Long is going to win!3-0 Joo Sae Hyuk.

TableTennisDaily
03-20-2014, 07:46 AM
How about D group?Just A B C ?

Group D: Nima Alamiyan, Sharath Kamal Achanta, Chaitat Chaisit

TableTennisDaily
03-20-2014, 07:47 AM
Women's groups

A: Ding Ning, Seo Hyo Won, Lee Ho Ching, Sayaka Hirano
B: Li Xiaoxia, Jiang Huajun, Yu Mengyu, Cheng I Ching
C: Feng Tianwei, Kasumi Ishikawa, Seok Ha Jung, Ri Myong Sun
D: Nanthana Komwong, Das Ankita

peyman4911
03-20-2014, 08:27 AM
Please Results group D

Cédi99TT
03-20-2014, 08:36 AM
Please results from all group ;)


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Arshia
03-20-2014, 09:18 AM
how about results?

Dan
03-20-2014, 10:10 AM
Any live stream links?

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rferdianto
03-20-2014, 10:14 AM
Fan Zhendong 3-1 Gao Ning
Ma Long 3-1 Jun Mizutani
Live streaming: http://www.cntv-5.com/cctv5.html

Arshia
03-20-2014, 01:25 PM
D:
Nima Alamiyan 3-0 Chaisit Chaitat
Come on Nima!You are winner!How about group C results?

Alborz
03-20-2014, 01:50 PM
Fan Zhendong, Ma Long get into the main draw. Also i'm hoping for Nima to be a dark hours.

Arshia
03-20-2014, 02:32 PM
What about results?

Cédi99TT
03-20-2014, 03:02 PM
Group A: 1. Ma Long / 2. Jun Mizutani
Group B: 1 Fan Zhendong 2. Chen Chien An
Group C: 1. Chuan Chih Yuan / 2. Kenta Matsudaira
Group D: 1.Achantra Sharat Kamel /
Achantra, Kym Mim Seok, Tang Peng and Kym Hjok Bong are playing tomorrow the challenger round.

Alborz
03-20-2014, 03:15 PM
Group A: 1. Ma Long / 2. Jun Mizutani
Group B: 1 Fan Zhendong 2. Chen Chien An
Group C: 1. Chuan Chih Yuan / 2. Kenta Matsudaira
Group D: 1.Achantra Sharat Kamel /
Achantra, Kym Mim Seok, Tang Peng and Kym Hjok Bong are playing tomorrow the challenger round.
I think Kim Min Seok and Tang Peng are going to be the first two players of challenger round. Also i'm waiting for main draw to be released.

zjkfanforever
03-20-2014, 06:27 PM
GAC Honda 27th Asian Cup 2014 Day 1 Results and News

http://www.attu.org/com.php?id=613

TT4Life
03-20-2014, 06:34 PM
Thanks for those cool videos :)

zjkfanforever
03-21-2014, 04:49 AM
Men's Quarter Final Draw (March 21)

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Time

Match

Table



14:45

Ma Long vs Kim Min Seok

1



14:45

Chen Chien-An vs Matsudaira Kenta

2



17:45

Chuang Chi-Yuan vs Mizutani Jun

1



17:00

Achanta Sharath Kamal vs Fan Zhendong

1

zjkfanforever
03-21-2014, 04:57 AM
Women's Quarter Final Draw (March 21)

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Time

Match

Table



16:15

Ding Ning vs Feng Tianwei

1



15:30

Yu Mengyu vs Seok Hajung

1



14:00

Ri Myong Sun vs Lee Ho Ching

2



14:00

Komwong Nanthana vs Li Xiaoxia

1

rferdianto
03-21-2014, 06:56 AM
Live streaming: http://www.cntv-5.com/cctv5.html
CCTV 5 schedule (GMT +8):
14:30 Snooker World Open live video -2013/2014 selection 2
16:00 2014 Asian Cup Table Tennis -2
18:00 Sports News
18:35 Basketball Park
19:30 Gold stadium -2013/2014 season Chinese Basketball League - Finals 2
21:30 Sports World
22:15 live video -2014 Asian Cup Table Tennis (taped)

Alborz
03-21-2014, 08:21 AM
Is there a live scoring page?

I think Ma Long, Kenta Matsudaira, Chang Chih-Yuan and Fan Zhendong will get into the semi-final.
Ma Long has a easier way to final but Fan Zhendong may face Chang Chih-Yuan. It will be a good match.

MDanielCRO
03-21-2014, 08:55 AM
Mizuani is improving again, yeaah

Michal_Z
03-21-2014, 09:41 AM
Any results?
I think Ma Long already played..

rferdianto
03-21-2014, 09:59 AM
5617
Fan Zhendong 4-0 Sharath Kamal. Kamal lead 10-5 in the fourth set but still couldn't beat FZD.

bachikho
03-21-2014, 10:01 AM
set 2 FZD down 4-10 then win 13-11, set 4 down 4-10 then win 12-10 :D

Michal_Z
03-21-2014, 10:06 AM
What about Ma Long and others?

vishu.aps
03-21-2014, 10:48 AM
where can we see the live telecast ??? any link ???

Alborz
03-21-2014, 10:51 AM
Men's Single Quarter-Final Results:

Ma Long vs Kim Min Seok 4:1 ( 11:2, 7:11, 11:7, 11:7, 11:7)
Chen Chien-An vs Kenta Matsudaira 4:2
Fan Zhendong vs Sharath kamal Achanta 4:0 (11:3, 13:11, 11:7, 12:10)
Chang Chih-Yuan vs Jun Mizutani 1:4 ( 4:11, 8:11, 7:11, 11:7, 4:11)


Men's Singles Semi-Final Matches:

Ma Long vs Chen Chien-An ----- 19:45'
Fan Zhendong vs Jun Mizutani -- 21:15'

Semi-final will be tonight. All times are in local time (+8 GMT).

vishu.aps
03-21-2014, 10:53 AM
why this ASIA CUP so under rated that it hasnt been covered on ittf.com website...... though it covers all the major events..... why is it so ????

bachikho
03-21-2014, 11:22 AM
where can we see the live telecast ??? any link ???
http://xemtructuyen.org/

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 11:33 AM
why this ASIA CUP so under rated that it hasnt been covered on ittf.com website...... though it covers all the major events..... why is it so ????

Asia Cup is not a ITTF event. Never was and never will be.
There are other tournaments that are not ITTF event and also not on ITTF website.

Why would ITTF website cover non ITTF events too?

Cédi99TT
03-21-2014, 11:34 AM
Hello
Does anybody know the result between Chuan Chih-Yuan and Jun Mitutani ?

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 11:37 AM
Hello
Does anybody know the result between Chuan Chih-Yuan and Jun Mitutani ?

Mizutuni won 4-1
4:1(4,7,8,-7,4)

Cédi99TT
03-21-2014, 11:38 AM
Thank you Tony

Alborz
03-21-2014, 12:10 PM
Mizutani is playing well. His match against Fan Zhendong would be great. Looking forward to it.

Alborz
03-21-2014, 12:13 PM
Asia Cup is not a ITTF event. Never was and never will be.
There are other tournaments that are not ITTF event and also not on ITTF website.

Why would ITTF website cover non ITTF events too?
you are sure it? Players results in Asian Cup make effects on their world rank so it is an ITTF event.

rferdianto
03-21-2014, 12:46 PM
you are sure it? Players results in Asian Cup make effects on their world rank so it is an ITTF event.
Of course the Asian Cup 2014 is an ITTF Event but this regional event status is just an ITTF Approved Event with weighted ratings R3 that have lower priority comparing to other ITTF Event that have ITTF Sanctioned status and weighted ratings R1 or R2.

Cédi99TT
03-21-2014, 01:56 PM
i think, that is bad from ITTF, that the Asian Cup not an ITTF Event is.

Michal_Z
03-21-2014, 02:02 PM
So, what are semifinal results?
And I would apreciate also women results..

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 02:21 PM
So, what are semifinal results?
And I would apreciate also women results..

Why don't you go check it yourself? - http://www.attu.org/

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 02:24 PM
Of course the Asian Cup 2014 is an ITTF Event but this regional event status is just an ITTF Approved Event with weighted ratings R3 that have lower priority comparing to other ITTF Event that have ITTF Sanctioned status and weighted ratings R1 or R2.

Yes, I meant to say, this is not a ITTF scanctioned event. Just only approved event.
The ITTF Asian (continential) event is called the Asian Championships - the World Championships qualification tournament too

For all ITTF events, world rating events, streaming etc, here is the list

http://www.ittf.com/ittf_calendar/calendar1.asp?s_Year=2014

janus
03-21-2014, 02:26 PM
# ITTF Calendar (follow the link below)

http://www.ittf.com/ittf_calendar/calendar1.asp?s_Year=2014

Read the Menus/headers - All the characteristics of Asian Cup, Wuhan (CHN) are here!!

Cédi99TT
03-21-2014, 02:31 PM
Ma long and fan zendong are in the final

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 02:33 PM
Ma long and fan zendong are in the final

They played semi final already?

Steven
03-21-2014, 02:43 PM
No, the semi finals are running right now. Li Xiaoxia is currently playing Ri Myong Sun. After that the men's semi finals will start.

EDIT: That, or CCTV-5 is broadcasting a taped match now and the site is just slow at updating. I'm not sure. :p

Doralikesmath
03-21-2014, 02:46 PM
The men semifinals were played already, with Ma Long beat Chen Chien An 4-1 and Fan Zhendong beat Mizutani 4-0.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 02:47 PM
4:1(13,7,10,-4,6)


马龙-MA Long








樊振东-FAN Zhendong


4:0(7,10,4,7)

Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 02:48 PM
庄智渊-CHUANG Chih-Yuan
TPE






21:15/T2/Mar 21


阿山塔-ACHANTA Sharath Kamal
IND



阿山塔-ACHANTA Sharath Kamal
IND

4:2(3,-3,6,-3,4,8)




CCY......

SquareBall
03-21-2014, 03:13 PM
So if im watching the correct stream :D does anybody know when the mens final is ?

TT4Life
03-21-2014, 04:21 PM
Any videos up date ? thank you very much guys and gals :)

Alborz
03-21-2014, 05:09 PM
Men's Singles Semi-Final Results:

Ma Long vs Chen Chien-An 4:1 (15:13, 11:7, 12:10, 4:11, 11:7)
Jun Mizutani vs Fan Zhendong 0:4 ( 7:11, 10:12, 4:11, 7:11)

Final match will be between Fan Zhendong and Ma Long tomorrow at 17:00 local time (+8 GMT).
Fan Zhendong played well against Jun Mizutani today. I hope he continue his good performance and win the final. But i think Ma Long has more chance to win it.

TT4Life
03-21-2014, 05:24 PM
Go Go Dragon lolz :) Ma Long :cool:

Icemanspirit
03-21-2014, 05:35 PM
Hopefully FZD is going to do it! Would that be the youngest WC-winner of all times if he would go all the way?

Alborz
03-21-2014, 09:07 PM
Hopefully FZD is going to do it! Would that be the youngest WC-winner of all times if he would go all the way?
Probably yes but is highly unlikely. He should beat Ma Long tomorrow and probably Zhang Jike at World Cup. Very hard task to do.

Dan
03-21-2014, 09:32 PM
A Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong final as many predicted. Does anyone have a link for the final?

I want to watch Fan Zhendong vs Jun Mizutani I thought Mizutani would have won some sets. it looked like he is finding good form after playing Ma Long.

amr_tareef
03-21-2014, 09:57 PM
A Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong final as many predicted. Does anyone have a link for the final?

I want to watch Fan Zhendong vs Jun Mizutani I thought Mizutani would have won some sets. it looked like he is finding good form after playing Ma Long.

Mizutani's style improved a lot specially his on table play.

The following is ( Ma Long vs Mizutani ) ... 5:00 is fantastic fight.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgi8q2QhcM


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Tony's Table Tennis
03-21-2014, 10:11 PM
Hopefully FZD is going to do it! Would that be the youngest WC-winner of all times if he would go all the way?

Well, if FZD wins tomorrow, he is still far from world cup, he first need to qualify for 1 of 2 spots for the WC, 3rd spot only possible by ITTF wild card.
Any ways, that is still few months away, FZD focus should be WTTTC first

luqketti
03-22-2014, 01:08 AM
does anybody have the link for the semis matches?

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 02:41 AM
thanks :) for a cool video sir .

Icemanspirit
03-22-2014, 05:07 AM
Well, if FZD wins tomorrow, he is still far from world cup, he first need to qualify for 1 of 2 spots for the WC, 3rd spot only possible by ITTF wild card.
Any ways, that is still few months away, FZD focus should be WTTTC first

One spot is reserved for the current worldchampion and the other spot is reserved for the winner of today's match.

Alborz
03-22-2014, 07:30 AM
One spot is reserved for the current worldchampion and the other spot is reserved for the winner of today's match.
You are right. I hope Fan Zhendong to win today's match but i think Ma Long has more chance.
Go Fan!

ulrich
03-22-2014, 07:58 AM
What time is the final? Streams?

janus
03-22-2014, 08:06 AM
# Semis (men & women) [full matches in HD]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJrVKuhV24g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu9Qm8tOWg4

janus
03-22-2014, 08:25 AM
What time is the final? Streams?

The trasmission starts 16:30 local time (wuhan/china) [almost in 5 minutes]

# http://www.cntv-5.com/cctv5.html

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 09:24 AM
Women finals, Ding Ning won vs Lixiaoxia , just over now :)

Doralikesmath
03-22-2014, 09:35 AM
Ma Long's mentality seems to be improved a lot as he came back from 3-8 down to win the 1st set.

TableTennisDaily
03-22-2014, 10:12 AM
NOW LIVE:

Men's Singles Final: Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong!

Live here: http://www.cntv-5.com/cctv5.html

TTHopeful
03-22-2014, 10:29 AM
Ma Long and Fan Zhendong are in the 7th set!

Vardant
03-22-2014, 10:37 AM
Rally of the year? That was amazing!

vishu.aps
03-22-2014, 10:40 AM
what a thriller going on between two chineese !! :D

Corsini
03-22-2014, 10:42 AM
Ma Long winner of the Asian Cup!

Doralikesmath
03-22-2014, 10:43 AM
What a match!

Pongfinity
03-22-2014, 10:43 AM
Wow what a final match :D

Michal_Z
03-22-2014, 10:44 AM
Wov, this was close!
Ma Long 3:1 in the lead, Fan Zhendong fights back to 3:3, leads 8:6 in the final .. well, but Ma Long didnt fall apart..
:)
so 11:8 deciding game to Ma Long, but really close..

matzreenzi
03-22-2014, 10:44 AM
Fuhh.. this kid really give Ma Long a hard battle..nice game..gg

Icemanspirit
03-22-2014, 10:45 AM
Honestly? Denominate Zhang Jike for the world cup and send those two.

TableTennisDaily
03-22-2014, 10:46 AM
Ma Long has just been crowned the Asian Cup Champion after a thrilling 7 set victory over Fan Zhendong!

5633

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 10:47 AM
Ma Long won 4-3 vs Fan Zhendong :)

ZJK
03-22-2014, 10:49 AM
Rally of the year? That was amazing!

Yeah i think so!

kirua18
03-22-2014, 10:49 AM
3-3, and 6-6, this point is so unbelievable :cool:

rkrajinderkalra7
03-22-2014, 10:53 AM
I told you it gonna be MA LONG !! :D :D

rkrajinderkalra7
03-22-2014, 10:55 AM
MA LONG is fast as all these chineese gens are... and he is competitive...experienced.... in these tight situations ..... i knew he gonna make it !! :D

vishu.aps
03-22-2014, 10:58 AM
I told you it gonna be MA LONG !! :D :D
lol.... but that little chick fan gave him a brick to his win.... u must admit !! :P :D

Alborz
03-22-2014, 11:02 AM
Crazy battle! Both players played every good. I can't wait for the videos.

Ma long the best
03-22-2014, 11:26 AM
Always knew MA LONG will win :D.Wonderful Match!

ankor24
03-22-2014, 11:33 AM
Please, does anybody can post the video of the final ma long vs fan zhendong ?

NJ7
03-22-2014, 11:43 AM
congrats to Ma Long!

TTHopeful
03-22-2014, 11:50 AM
Well done Ma Long!

Arshia
03-22-2014, 11:55 AM
oh no!MA LONG!

Ma long the best
03-22-2014, 11:56 AM
ML vs FZD http://tv.cntv.cn/live/cctv5?date=2014-03-22&index=12

Arshia
03-22-2014, 11:58 AM
what about womens final?

Alborz
03-22-2014, 12:16 PM
what about womens final?
Ding Ning won the final.

MrThePortal
03-22-2014, 12:28 PM
Final

EPIC MATCH!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d07SFvRQ18

Arshia
03-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Ding Ning won the final.
what about results?

Alborz
03-22-2014, 12:47 PM
what about results?
Ding Ning vs Li Xiaoxia 4:2 (11:9, 8:11, 11:9, 11:6, 7:11, 11:6)

matzreenzi
03-22-2014, 01:14 PM
Glad to see Ma Long's mental strength kind of improving day by day after WTTC 2013...

SquareBall
03-22-2014, 01:16 PM
Had a job and didnt manage to watch the final live ://// Really depressing

TTLondon2012
03-22-2014, 02:17 PM
Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong (Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrTUd32GmSQ

Alborz
03-22-2014, 02:36 PM
Glad to see Ma Long's mental strength kind of improving day by day after WTTC 2013...
I don't understand how you understand it. Asian Cup is not an important tournament. Unless he reaches 7th set in a WTTC or World Cup we can not see he is improved or not.

Doralikesmath
03-22-2014, 02:43 PM
Coming back from 8-3 down to win a game does require strong mentality.

Giangt
03-22-2014, 02:59 PM
Wow watch a final match and the crowd love it! :)

zjkfanforever
03-22-2014, 03:28 PM
Honestly? Denominate Zhang Jike for the world cup and send those two.

Seriously? Zhang Jike has already been denominated twice from his hard earned right to play in World Cup, once in 2012 and once in 2013, and you want to strip him the third time? Don't you want to watch a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long final in a grand slam tournament? As far as I know, not many chances left, maybe one World Championships (2015), 2-3 World Cup (2014, 2015, 2016), and one Olympic Games (2016).

Alborz
03-22-2014, 03:30 PM
Coming back from 8-3 down to win a game does require strong mentality.
No it doesn't need. You can just play point after point and wait to see the results. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and it first set it works.
Also 8-3 is not an impossible position to come back.

MrThePortal
03-22-2014, 03:40 PM
Amazing Rally HD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mof0S5uik8U

Alborz
03-22-2014, 03:42 PM
Seriously? Zhang Jike has already been denominated twice from his hard earned right to play in World Cup, once in 2012 and once in 2013, and you want to strip him the third time? Don't you want to watch a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long final in a grand slam tournament? As far as I know, not many chances left, maybe one World Championships (2015), 2-3 World Cup (2014, 2015, 2016), and one Olympic Games (2016).
Totally agree with you.
Zhang Jike is already 26. After 2 or 3 years he will be out of his golden age. Fan Zhendong is just 17. He hasn't entered his golden age yet. So Fan has so many chances in future.
Anyway, Zhang Jike and Ma Long will probably play in the final there and it will be the first Zhang Jike vs Ma Long final at a major tournament. And if they will be a Zhang jike vs Ma Long match, Zhang Jike is going to win it. Go Zhang Jike!

zjkfanforever
03-22-2014, 03:58 PM
Why did Liu Guoliang send Ma Long, among several qualifying Chinese players, to this year's Asian Cup? We think that he's setting up the stage for a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long final in this year's World Cup because other than WTTC champion and wild card, the only way a player could qualify for the World Cup is through playing in continental cups. And, I don't think ITTF will give Ma Long the wild card. Liu Guoliang recently said in an interview that he consider Zhang Jike and Ma Long the two best players in the world currently, and a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long in a major competition would be a treat for TT fans. Ma Long is already 3 times winner of Asian Cup, and he doesn't need another Asian Cup title to prove anything. Ma Long himself also said his biggest wish is to meet Zhang Jike in the final of a major tournament.

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 04:16 PM
I have to agree with u there , Ma Long vs Zhang Jike greatest epic table tennis of all time :)

matzreenzi
03-22-2014, 04:20 PM
I don't understand how you understand it. Asian Cup is not an important tournament. Unless he reaches 7th set in a WTTC or World Cup we can not see he is improved or not.

I tell u how I understand it...btw, I agree with u about "7th set in a WTTC or World Cup we can not see he is improved or not" just a little bit...however, in my knowledge I can say that the most coveted title in tt world is the grand slam champ (Olympic, WTTC n WC) and exclusively to chinese other than that 3 mentioned earlier, it is Chinese National Games if I'm not mistaken...regarding my words about Ma Long's metal toughness was better and better since WTTC 2013 is that when he battle FZD in CNG..in that match, he show great mental toughness IMHO and even Liu Go Liang admiited (source: TableTennisTa) and for today he was on the spot again with the same player in the game with high degree of intensity bcoz as far as i concerned, whoever wins intercontinental cup (according to wiki), will have direct qualification to the WC tournament..even though Ma long already won WC in 2012 but IMHO it is important for him to validate himself as the frontrunner of the Olympic cycle in CNT as we all know how competitive the CNT is with only two slots for Olympics, it is very challenging...This is the only hope for him to win the grand slam as we cannot say that Ma Long will still be in 2020 olympics but in WTTC I can say he still have the chance to participate in another 2-3 wttcs...lastly, it is only my two cents..peace no war :)

Icemanspirit
03-22-2014, 04:47 PM
We'll see. Maybe the ITTF is impressed by the kind of excitement everybody has when Fan Zhendong is competing. So here and now:
Please ITTF give Fan Zhendong a wildcard. This kid has shown such great performances and what could you ask for besides WR1-3 battling it out!!

Alborz
03-22-2014, 05:05 PM
We'll see. Maybe the ITTF is impressed by the kind of excitement everybody has when Fan Zhendong is competing. So here and now:Please ITTF give Fan Zhendong a wildcard. This kid has shown such great performances and what could you ask for besides WR1-3 battling it out!!ITTF will never give a Chinese player a wildcard :( Its on his own to be in the World Cup.

Alborz
03-22-2014, 05:13 PM
Why did Liu Guoliang send Ma Long, among several qualifying Chinese players, to this year's Asian Cup? We think that he's setting up the stage for a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long final in this year's World Cup because other than WTTC champion and wild card, the only way a player could qualify for the World Cup is through playing in continental cups. And, I don't think ITTF will give Ma Long the wild card. Liu Guoliang recently said in an interview that he consider Zhang Jike and Ma Long the two best players in the world currently, and a Zhang Jike vs Ma Long in a major competition would be a treat for TT fans. Ma Long is already 3 times winner of Asian Cup, and he doesn't need another Asian Cup title to prove anything. Ma Long himself also said his biggest wish is to meet Zhang Jike in the final of a major tournament.Agree with you one this. Probably Zhang Jike's injury is just a story to send Ma Long to World Cup. If they meet in the final it world be one epic match. I hoping for that and if it happens then Zhang Jike is going to prove everyone he is the best by defeating Ma Long there like what he done in the final match of China trails for WTTTC.

Icemanspirit
03-22-2014, 06:05 PM
ITTF will never give a Chinese player a wildcard :( Its on his own to be in the World Cup.
Well they let 3 German players participate last year. And one thing is a fact. The German media labelled FZD as "wonderkid" and "out of this world".
And I know that a lot of the German fans are curious to see him play. So if he would come and play they would massively boost the spectator-count.

MrThePortal
03-22-2014, 06:32 PM
FINAL HD VERSION


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ZqFPevg9k

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 06:53 PM
thanks, any longer version ? :)

TT4Life
03-22-2014, 06:58 PM
ah thank you sir :)

Alborz
03-23-2014, 04:32 AM
Well they let 3 German players participate last year. And one thing is a fact. The German media labelled FZD as "wonderkid" and "out of this world".
And I know that a lot of the German fans are curious to see him play. So if he would come and play they would massively boost the spectator-count.
They send 3 German players to increase the chance of winning the World Cup by a none-Chinese player.
If there will be 3 Chinese players then nothing can stop them and they will win all of the 3 medals and competition will get boring to none-Chinese players fans. But to me it will be more interesting ;)

janus
03-23-2014, 07:52 AM
► 2014 Asian Cup (27th) [HD] (Playlist of 8 matches)



https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbdXhTbmweTqa4dVFmVWGd9I453En74jk

Will Dexter
03-23-2014, 01:29 PM
What the heck????
and now how can FZD qualify for the World Cup???

siddique92
03-23-2014, 03:58 PM
Only one things intrest me more that I wanna see how Ma long do it later in the 2016 Olympic Games but well done for his victory in this year's Asian Cup

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SquareBall
03-23-2014, 04:09 PM
They send 3 German players to increase the chance of winning the World Cup by a none-Chinese player.
If there will be 3 Chinese players then nothing can stop them and they will win all of the 3 medals and competition will get boring to none-Chinese players fans. But to me it will be more interesting ;)
For me either .. I prefer high quality games no matter if its chinese playing or not .

matzreenzi
03-23-2014, 06:16 PM
ITTF should just ignore nationality...just send the guys who are the best, as simple as that...only the best players can bring up the best out of any players

Alborz
03-23-2014, 06:57 PM
What the heck????
and now how can FZD qualify for the World Cup???
He can't unless Zhang Jike or Ma Long doesn't participate there or he get the wild card of ITTF. Both of the ways are highly unlikely.

janus
03-23-2014, 10:33 PM
►MA Long Vs FAN Zhendong [HD] [Full Match|Short Form/+Slow Motions]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxb8V51qSnU&list=PLbdXhTbmweTqa4dVFmVWGd9I 453En74jk&index=2

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 09:22 AM
He can't unless Zhang Jike or Ma Long doesn't participate there or he get the wild card of ITTF. Both of the ways are highly unlikely.

If ZJK or ML can't participate, FZD will get the highest ranking spot (not wild card) from Asian Cup.
If ZJK and ML participate, then the number 2 in Asia can't particpate, unless ITTF wild card.
This is why World Cup is not a major tournament any more, there is limitations to this continental cup and thus huge limitations to world cup.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 09:29 AM
Only one things intrest me more that I wanna see how Ma long do it later in the 2016 Olympic Games but well done for his victory in this year's Asian Cup

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Now thats the scary thing with Chinese table tennis. Ma Long is not guaranteed a spot for Rio 2016.
IMO at this stage there is 4 players and any of the 2 can take those spot. Namely ZJK, ML, XX and FZD.

With just over a year to go until the qualification world ranking list after WTTC 2015 (if i'm correct) and 2 years until Rio 2016, there is always a possibility that XX and FZD develop the game so much and also a possibility of ML and ZJK failing more and more, thus the number 1 and 2 of today, may not even be top 2, in 2 years time.

Also a huge possiblity that FZD don't make it, and 2020, some other 1 and 2 players push FZD to 3rd spot.

I think only China has such an uncertainty of who can qualify (for 2 spots).
Almost any other country, you can give a clear prediction on who the 2 spots will go to, or rather accurately guess one of the two spot already.
I wouldn't want to bet money on which one of the two Chinese spots will go to, as anything is possible at this stage.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 10:58 AM
If ZJK or ML can't participate, FZD will get the highest ranking spot (not wild card) from Asian Cup.
If ZJK and ML participate, then the number 2 in Asia can't particpate, unless ITTF wild card.
This is why World Cup is not a major tournament any more, there is limitations to this continental cup and thus huge limitations to world cup.
Only 2 persons can compete in World Cup from every country so number 2 in Asia can participate if he is not Chinese.

If World Cup is not a major tournament then Olympics is not either because in Olympics only 2 persons can compete from every country like World Cup.Also tension in World Cup is very high like WTTC.
Number of players in a competition is not the only factor for the level of that competition.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 11:18 AM
Now thats the scary thing with Chinese table tennis. Ma Long is not guaranteed a spot for Rio 2016.
IMO at this stage there is 4 players and any of the 2 can take those spot. Namely ZJK, ML, XX and FZD.

With just over a year to go until the qualification world ranking list after WTTC 2015 (if i'm correct) and 2 years until Rio 2016, there is always a possibility that XX and FZD develop the game so much and also a possibility of ML and ZJK failing more and more, thus the number 1 and 2 of today, may not even be top 2, in 2 years time.

Also a huge possiblity that FZD don't make it, and 2020, some other 1 and 2 players push FZD to 3rd spot.

I think only China has such an uncertainty of who can qualify (for 2 spots).
Almost any other country, you can give a clear prediction on who the 2 spots will go to, or rather accurately guess one of the two spot already.
I wouldn't want to bet money on which one of the two Chinese spots will go to, as anything is possible at this stage.
Zhang Jike and Ma Long has more chance than the others. Fan Zhendong defeated Ma long only one time in his life and it was a full length match with Ma Long being semi-injured.
Zhang Jike has the best technique and mentally. Very soon he will go back to his "Grand Slam" form to get his World Rank as high as possible.
The main rivalry is between Fan Zhendong and Xu Xin for the 3rd spot to be in the team event at 2016 Olympics.

Player performance at 2015 WTTC will have a strong effect on their World Ranking. It will be a very intense tournament for Chinese players. The winner will have a very big jump in World Rank.

At 2020 Olympics Fan Zhendong will be 23. He will be at his best at that age. Its very unlikely that someone will be better than him.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 11:21 AM
Only 2 persons can compete in World Cup from every country so number 2 in Asia can participate if he is not Chinese.

If World Cup is not a major tournament then Olympics is not either because in Olympics only 2 persons can compete from every country like World Cup.Also tension in World Cup is very high like WTTC.
Number of players in a competition is not the only factor for the level of that competition.

Only 2 people can compete in WC - correct, unless ITTF wild card, and for Chinese players it has happened before!

WC is not a major tournament because of it qualification procedures, compared with Olympic where the qualification is so much more open to all (World Ranking) but unfair to stronger players like the number 3 of Germany, Japan, Korea, etc

Tenson in WC is not very high compared to WTTC....not sure where you have the idea that it is high.
Please see how many tiers of matches there is in WTTC compared to WC, given that seeded players does not need to play in RR in WTTC.
Also see from about 2nd round onwards, it will become close encounters - due to 5 player or 7 player per country.

In AC, you get weaker players that make number 5 to 10 spot (and they make such high ranking because of 2 players per country rule), thus they also qualify for WC. This is why I say WC is not a high level or major tournament any more.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 11:29 AM
Zhang Jike and Ma Long has more chance than the others. Fan Zhendong defeated Ma long only one time in his life and it was a full length match with Ma Long being semi-injured.
Zhang Jike has the best technique and mentally. Very soon he will go back to his "Grand Slam" form to get his World Rank as high as possible.
The main rivalry is between Fan Zhendong and Xu Xin for the 3rd spot to be in the team event at 2016 Olympics.

Player performance at 2015 WTTC will have a strong effect on their World Ranking. It will be a very intense tournament for Chinese players. The winner will have a very big jump in World Rank.

At 2020 Olympics Fan Zhendong will be 23. He will be at his best at that age. Its very unlikely that someone will be better than him.

Chance today yes, but there is still over 18 months that can change the fate of the player.
Its silly to look at the past result, it is important to look at results from WTTC2015, dating back 12 month and 6-12 month after too.
As that is a more clear reflection on matureness and form of player, especially the younger ones.

The combination can be:

ZJK + ML or ZJK + XX or ZJK + FZD or ML+XX or ML + FZD or XX+FZD.
You can't write off any player will can become the new number 1 and 2 and you also can not write off any players that will loose form or get injured prior to Rio 2016.
ZJK and ML will be "older", and generally performance/speed is on the decend by that age. If it is Rio say 2018, then those 2 extra years will hurt them even more.

I'm just stating this as for Ma Long, such a great player - has a chance not to make 1 Olympic singles in his life time
I don't know why, so many people look at perforamance today, and conclude the list for 2016....not even LGL can do this, but you guys can.
Age is a problem for Chinese players, maybe only advantage is SH players tend to last longer than Cpen players. But to state ML + ZJK is the 2 for Rio 2016 is a bit too early. If it is Rio 2014, then of course.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 11:30 AM
At 2020 Olympics Fan Zhendong will be 23. He will be at his best at that age. Its very unlikely that someone will be better than him.

Hows former world number 1 Guo Yue at age 23?
Are you willing to bet that no other player will be better than FZD in 2020?
FZD is a great player at his age, just like Ma Long at 16/17.
WH was a no body at that age (in fact he was only good enough to be a practice partner)
So maybe you shouldn't write off any body. 20 ~ 24 years old is the key. They either make it or break it.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 12:52 PM
Only 2 people can compete in WC - correct, unless ITTF wild card, and for Chinese players it has happened before!

WC is not a major tournament because of it qualification procedures, compared with Olympic where the qualification is so much more open to all (World Ranking) but unfair to stronger players like the number 3 of Germany, Japan, Korea, etc

Tenson in WC is not very high compared to WTTC....not sure where you have the idea that it is high.
Please see how many tiers of matches there is in WTTC compared to WC, given that seeded players does not need to play in RR in WTTC.
Also see from about 2nd round onwards, it will become close encounters - due to 5 player or 7 player per country.

In AC, you get weaker players that make number 5 to 10 spot (and they make such high ranking because of 2 players per country rule), thus they also qualify for WC. This is why I say WC is not a high level or major tournament any more.
Surely WC hasn't the level of WTTC but still it is great tournament. Look at the players in WC. They are more motivated than other tournaments except of WTTC and OG. Look at the reactions of Ma Long, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike when they won their World Cups. Zhang Jike even rips his shirt off. That is why i say it is a major (in other words "important") tournament.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 01:04 PM
Chance today yes, but there is still over 18 months that can change the fate of the player.
Its silly to look at the past result, it is important to look at results from WTTC2015, dating back 12 month and 6-12 month after too.
As that is a more clear reflection on matureness and form of player, especially the younger ones.

The combination can be:

ZJK + ML or ZJK + XX or ZJK + FZD or ML+XX or ML + FZD or XX+FZD.
You can't write off any player will can become the new number 1 and 2 and you also can not write off any players that will loose form or get injured prior to Rio 2016.
ZJK and ML will be "older", and generally performance/speed is on the decend by that age. If it is Rio say 2018, then those 2 extra years will hurt them even more.

I'm just stating this as for Ma Long, such a great player - has a chance not to make 1 Olympic singles in his life time
I don't know why, so many people look at perforamance today, and conclude the list for 2016....not even LGL can do this, but you guys can.
Age is a problem for Chinese players, maybe only advantage is SH players tend to last longer than Cpen players. But to state ML + ZJK is the 2 for Rio 2016 is a bit too early. If it is Rio 2014, then of course.
Age is surely a problem but 1 year is nothing to effect the players performance. Zhang Jike and Ma Long may get weaker. Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong may get better. Zhang Jike and Ma Long are far better players now. One year will not be enough for Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong to reach them.

Anyway we can't know what will happen in future. Maybe Zhang Jike and Ma Long get injured or something and fall in the world ranking. Unfortunately this happens to Ma Long before 2011 WTTC and he fall form WR #1 to #5 and missed his chance to be in London 2012.

I'm not sure about the future of them but Zhang Jike and Ma Long have 90% chance to be in Rio 2016.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:11 PM
I'm not sure about the future of them but Zhang Jike and Ma Long have 90% chance to be in Rio 2016.

If you not sure about the future, then why you still make such judgement/prediction?
Not even the palyers personal coach in CNT dare make such judgement/prediction
I guess that is the different with people that are practically involed with the team and people that are just supportors.

If you are a fund manager, there is no ways I'm willing to give you my money :)
A lot can happen in 1 year, 1 year can be a good year and can be a really bad year. This is sports, everything is possible.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:18 PM
Surely WC hasn't the level of WTTC but still it is great tournament. Look at the players in WC. They are more motivated than other tournaments except of WTTC and OG. Look at the reactions of Ma Long, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike when they won their World Cups. Zhang Jike even rips his shirt off. That is why i say it is a major (in other words "important") tournament.

Yep, happy to see that you agree that it isn't the same level of WTTC.
In terms of ranking of the Top 3, it is number 3 for sure or maybe 4 where Pro Tour grand final will slot into 3.

I won't say ZJK's one instance of ripping the shirt off in the WC is the "motivation" that can suggest WC is a such "great" title.
90% of the reason why he rip his short off, got to do with the 2 year build up to him coming back into CNT and winning a world final. It can be any world final, and he would do the same. If ZJK did not have that build up (stress and pressure), his reaction wouldn't be like that.

Yes, WC is a major or important, and one of the three to be labled table tennis grand slam. But it is really a joke (compared to any other sporting world cups/championships) in terms of participants. It is a tournament that is fair from a geographic point of view and not world ranking/playing level point of view.
There is tons of debate over the years on this point already because of this.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 01:24 PM
If you not sure about the future, then why you still make such judgement/prediction?
Not even the palyers personal coach in CNT dare make such judgement/prediction
I guess that is the different with people that are practically involed with the team and people that are just supportors.

If you are a fund manager, there is no ways I'm willing to give you my money :)
A lot can happen in 1 year, 1 year can be a good year and can be a really bad year. This is sports, everything is possible.How do you know Players personal coaches in CNT make such judgement/prediction?
Everything can happen but some people has more chances than others. To me they are Zhang Jike and Ma Long. I'm not saying they will surely be there. I'm saying they have simply more chance than the others.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:25 PM
Entry list for World Cup 2013:



Name
Sex
WR


Date of Birth
(mm/dd/yyyy)

Update


1
XU Xin CHN
M
2


01/08/1990

10/18/2013 4:00:56 AM


2
BOLL Timo GER
M
5


03/08/1981

10/18/2013 4:01:01 AM


3
OVTCHAROV Dimitrij GER
M
6


09/02/1988

10/18/2013 4:01:11 AM


4
CHUANG Chih-Yuan TPE
M
7


04/02/1981

10/18/2013 4:01:20 AM


5
YAN An CHN
M
8


01/12/1993

10/18/2013 4:01:24 AM


6
SAMSONOV Vladimir BLR
M
15


04/17/1976

10/18/2013 4:01:38 AM


7
BAUM Patrick GER
M
20


06/23/1987

10/18/2013 4:01:32 AM


8
JIANG Tianyi HKG
M
21


02/28/1988

10/18/2013 4:01:42 AM


9
FREITAS Marcos POR
M
25


04/08/1988

10/18/2013 3:52:54 AM


10
TANG Peng HKG
M
26


02/04/1981

10/18/2013 3:52:36 AM


11
CHEN Chien-An TPE
M
27


06/16/1991

10/18/2013 3:53:02 AM


12
JUNG Youngsik KOR
M
48


01/20/1992

10/18/2013 3:52:50 AM


13
ACHANTA Sharath Kamal IND
M
51


07/12/1982

10/18/2013 3:52:40 AM


14
ALAMIYAN Noshad IRI
M
53


11/21/1991

10/18/2013 3:52:46 AM


15
YANG Zi SIN
M
93


06/19/1984

10/18/2013 3:52:58 AM


16
LASHIN El-Sayed EGY
M
99


02/09/1980

10/18/2013 3:52:15 AM


17
SAIVE Jean-Michel BEL
M
130


11/17/1969

10/18/2013 3:51:48 AM


18
HENZELL William AUS
M
133


03/23/1982

10/18/2013 3:51:33 AM


19
MONTEIRO Thiago BRA
M
147


06/15/1981

10/18/2013 3:51:58 AM


20
HO Andre CAN
M
386


04/11/1992

10/18/2013 3:52:02 AM



A WR21 can be a seeded player.....
Obviously, the European entry was a bit messed up too.. If I recall, there was a cancelled qualifcation tournament (Europe Cup) and the invitation was based on WTTC results
http://www.ittf.com/World_Events/2013MWC/2013_MWC_Confirmed%20list_final.pdf

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:29 PM
How do you know Players personal coaches in CNT make such judgement/prediction?Everything can happen but some people has more chances than others. To me they are Zhang Jike and Ma Long. I'm not saying they will surely be there. I'm saying they have simply more chance than the others.

Because I chat to some high level (provincial head coaches) often, and they have a much better inside knowledge.
Again, if chance today yes. But chance in 1 year time, is a different story.
This is sports, and very fast changing sport.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 01:34 PM
Yep, happy to see that you agree that it isn't the same level of WTTC.
In terms of ranking of the Top 3, it is number 3 for sure or maybe 4 where Pro Tour grand final will slot into 3.

I won't say ZJK's one instance of ripping the shirt off in the WC is the "motivation" that can suggest WC is a such "great" title.
90% of the reason why he rip his short off, got to do with the 2 year build up to him coming back into CNT and winning a world final. It can be any world final, and he would do the same. If ZJK did not have that build up (stress and pressure), his reaction wouldn't be like that.

Yes, WC is a major or important, and one of the three to be labled table tennis grand slam. But it is really a joke (compared to any other sporting world cups/championships) in terms of participants. It is a tournament that is fair from a geographic point of view and not world ranking/playing level point of view.
There is tons of debate over the years on this point already because of this.
We will never find out What Zhang Jike can be done if it was not a WC final.

Agree with you about the bad way of selecting players for WC. But still it is number 3 in terms of importance of world events. Pro tour Grand Final is a joke to be a major one. It is just a world tour event like others.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:38 PM
We will never find out What Zhang Jike can be done if it was not a WC final.

Agree with you about the bad way of selecting players for WC. But still it is number 3 in terms of importance of world events. Pro tour Grand Final is a joke to be a major one. It is just a world tour event like others.

Grand Final being the riches tournament out there is "great" because the qualifications requires players to play in X amount of world tours in X amount of continent and then rank then by points collected during the year.

So this is a qualifcation based on a player who has done well and participated in a many world tours over a selective amount of time. Than oppose to just show up in 1 touranement and do well there and get crowned champion etc.

So imo, Grand Final is a more fair selection policy than WC

Alborz
03-24-2014, 01:40 PM
Yep, happy to see that you agree that it isn't the same level of WTTC.
In terms of ranking of the Top 3, it is number 3 for sure or maybe 4 where Pro Tour grand final will slot into 3.

I won't say ZJK's one instance of ripping the shirt off in the WC is the "motivation" that can suggest WC is a such "great" title.
90% of the reason why he rip his short off, got to do with the 2 year build up to him coming back into CNT and winning a world final. It can be any world final, and he would do the same. If ZJK did not have that build up (stress and pressure), his reaction wouldn't be like that.

Yes, WC is a major or important, and one of the three to be labled table tennis grand slam. But it is really a joke (compared to any other sporting world cups/championships) in terms of participants. It is a tournament that is fair from a geographic point of view and not world ranking/playing level point of view.
There is tons of debate over the years on this point already because of this.
We will never find out What Zhang Jike can be done if it was not a WC final.

Agree with you about the bad way of selecting players for WC. But still it is number 3 in terms of importance of world events. Pro tour Grand Final is a joke to be a major one. It is just a world tour event like others.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:43 PM
Invitations for Grand Final:

To qualify for the Grand Finals in single, the players have to attend at least 5 events.
To qualify for the Grand Finals in doubles, the same pair has to play at least 4 events.
To qualify for the Grand Finals in U21, the players have to attend 4 events in at least 2 continents.

SINGLES
The top sixteen (16) men and sixteen (16) women who have accumulated the largest
number of points at ITTF World Tour events during 2013 will be invited to participate
in the GAC GROUP 2013 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals.
In addition, the ITTF will invite one men’s and one women’s player from the
association hosting the 2013 World Tour Grand Finals as the 17th player.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:45 PM
Invitations for Grand Final:

To qualify for the Grand Finals in single, the players have to attend at least 5 events.
To qualify for the Grand Finals in doubles, the same pair has to play at least 4 events.
To qualify for the Grand Finals in U21, the players have to attend 4 events in at least 2 continents.

SINGLES
The top sixteen (16) men and sixteen (16) women who have accumulated the largest
number of points at ITTF World Tour events during 2013 will be invited to participate
in the GAC GROUP 2013 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals.
In addition, the ITTF will invite one men’s and one women’s player from the
association hosting the 2013 World Tour Grand Finals as the 17th player.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 01:48 PM
Grand Final being the riches tournament out there is "great" because the qualifications requires players to play in X amount of world tours in X amount of continent and then rank then by points collected during the year.

So this is a qualifcation based on a player who has done well and participated in a many world tours over a selective amount of time. Than oppose to just show up in 1 touranement and do well there and get crowned champion etc.

So imo, Grand Final is a more fair selection policy than WC
It is surely a stupid way to select players for WC. But it makes it more interesting.
Selection way for Grand final is not that fair. You can win one tour at it is over, you can be there. Other wins will just make your draw easier.Last year Zhang Jike only won the Kuwait Open and performed terrible in other world tour but still he was in grand final as the #6 player.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 01:57 PM
It is surely a stupid way to select players for WC. But it makes it more interesting.
Selection way for Grand final is not that fair. You can win one tour at it is over, you can be there. Other wins will just make your draw easier.Last year Zhang Jike only won the Kuwait Open and performed terrible in other world tour but still he was in grand final as the #6 player.

Again, its all about 1) being elidgible and then 2) seeding/selection by points.
It was sad that so many players did not attempt to become elidgible in 2013 Grand Final

There is 20 world tours in a year, and it only takes 5 of them to become elidgible for GF

Compared to WC, many world rank 50-100 players can become top 10 in Asia Cup (because of the 2 player rule of the stronger countries) and qualify for WC accordling....

I can't find last years one any more, but here is 2014 standings
http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=standings

Olympic and WC - you can be the number 3 player of top countries and not be elidgible to take part...so sad
Mean while, other players ranked hundreds of spots below you can take part

Alborz
03-24-2014, 02:05 PM
Again, its all about 1) being elidgible and then 2) seeding/selection by points.It was sad that so many players did not attempt to become elidgible in 2013 Grand FinalThere is 20 world tours in a year, and it only takes 5 of them to become elidgible for GFCompared to WC, many world rank 50-100 players can become top 10 in Asia Cup (because of the 2 player rule of the stronger countries) and qualify for WC accordling....I can't find last years one any more, but here is 2014 standingshttp://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=standingsOlympic and WC - you can be the number 3 player of top countries and not be elidgible to take part...so sadMean while, other players ranked hundreds of spots below you can take partAgree with you on this.GF qualifying system is much better than WC. It's one of the best systems. But i think a qualifying system that is based on WR will be better with no limit for the numbr of players from each country.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 02:06 PM
Again, its all about 1) being elidgible and then 2) seeding/selection by points.
It was sad that so many players did not attempt to become elidgible in 2013 Grand Final

There is 20 world tours in a year, and it only takes 5 of them to become elidgible for GF

Compared to WC, many world rank 50-100 players can become top 10 in Asia Cup (because of the 2 player rule of the stronger countries) and qualify for WC accordling....

I can't find last years one any more, but here is 2014 standings
http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=standings

Olympic and WC - you can be the number 3 player of top countries and not be elidgible to take part...so sad
Mean while, other players ranked hundreds of spots below you can take part
Agree with you on this.
GF qualifying system is much better than WC. It's one of the best systems. But i think a qualifying system that is based on WR will be better with no limit for the number of players from each country.

Icemanspirit
03-24-2014, 02:47 PM
How do you know Players personal coaches in CNT make such judgement/prediction?
Everything can happen but some people has more chances than others. To me they are Zhang Jike and Ma Long. I'm not saying they will surely be there. I'm saying they have simply more chance than the others.

How can you say Zhang Jike and Ma Long are so much better than FZD and XX?
One thing is for sure. We are all non-professional players (except than the pro's in this forum).
Let's leave the judgement to the Chinese trainers!
All I can add to the discussion is that I see an interesting development in the FZD vs ML encounters:
1. Encounter (Chinese trials for WTTC) ML supreme in every area except than bh
2. Encounter (CNG) ML won but FZD was able to outblock him and prevent ML from getting in with topspins
3. Encounter (Trials for Tokio) FZD won due to strong topspins, bh but ML was (supposedly half-injured)
4. Encounter (Asian Cup) ML won due to short-short and very good 3rd ball game, FZD faster in the topspins but overhit the ball on various occasions but displayed great psychological stability coming back from 2-0, 3-1 to 3-3.
I leave the judgement to LGL and the other Chinese coaches.

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 03:01 PM
How can you say Zhang Jike and Ma Long are so much better than FZD and XX?
One thing is for sure. We are all non-professional players (except than the pro's in this forum).
Let's leave the judgement to the Chinese trainers!
All I can add to the discussion is that I see an interesting development in the FZD vs ML encounters:
1. Encounter (Chinese trials for WTTC) ML supreme in every area except than bh
2. Encounter (CNG) ML won but FZD was able to outblock him and prevent ML from getting in with topspins
3. Encounter (Trials for Tokio) FZD won due to strong topspins, bh but ML was (supposedly half-injured)
4. Encounter (Asian Cup) ML won due to short-short and very good 3rd ball game, FZD faster in the topspins but overhit the ball on various occasions but displayed great psychological stability coming back from 2-0, 3-1 to 3-3.
I leave the judgement to LGL and the other Chinese coaches.

Great observation.

FZD is still improving (a year ago, he was a no body basically). and Ma Long likely have hit his heights. So this high/low gap is getting narrower and narrower every single month.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 04:25 PM
How can you say Zhang Jike and Ma Long are so much better than FZD and XX?
One thing is for sure. We are all non-professional players (except than the pro's in this forum).
Let's leave the judgement to the Chinese trainers!
All I can add to the discussion is that I see an interesting development in the FZD vs ML encounters:
1. Encounter (Chinese trials for WTTC) ML supreme in every area except than bh
2. Encounter (CNG) ML won but FZD was able to outblock him and prevent ML from getting in with topspins
3. Encounter (Trials for Tokio) FZD won due to strong topspins, bh but ML was (supposedly half-injured)
4. Encounter (Asian Cup) ML won due to short-short and very good 3rd ball game, FZD faster in the topspins but overhit the ball on various occasions but displayed great psychological stability coming back from 2-0, 3-1 to 3-3.
I leave the judgement to LGL and the other Chinese coaches.
I just want to add this:
1.5. Encounter (China warm-up matches for WTTC): Ma Long blocked Fan Zhendong to death.
2.5. Encounter (Trails for Tokyo stage 1): Ma Long eat FZD alive 3:0.

In an interview with FZD at 2014 Asian Cup the reporter asked him: "How much do you think you have chance to beat Ma Long?".
He answered: "3 or 4 percents."
I mean he still hasn't the confidence to beat Ma Long so why we should think he will destroy him soon?

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 04:29 PM
In an interview with FZD at 2014 Asian Cup the reporter asked him: "How much do you think you have chance to beat Ma Long?".
He answered: "3 or 4 percents."
I mean he still hasn't the confidence to beat Ma Long so why we should think he will destroy him soon?

FZD said 3 to 4 percent?
Are you sure its not 30 to 40 percent?

1 year ago, FZD couldn't beat any 1st team members.
1 year later he can beat WR top 10 players.
Like to see what he can do in another year.

Alborz
03-24-2014, 04:43 PM
FZD said 3 to 4 percent?
Are you sure its not 30 to 40 percent?

1 year ago, FZD couldn't beat any 1st team members.
1 year later he can beat WR top 10 players.
Like to see what he can do in another year.
Yes i'm sure. He is my source: http://http://tabletennista.com/2014/3/chinese-players-arrived-in-wuhan-for-the-a/

Tony's Table Tennis
03-24-2014, 04:48 PM
Yes i'm sure. He is my source: http://http://tabletennista.com/2014/3/chinese-players-arrived-in-wuhan-for-the-a/

Your link isn't correct, too many http....

Any ways, 3 to 4 Chen is 30 to 40 percent. In Chinese, Chen is basically out of 10, no one will use 100%, or 0.3 and 0.4 Chen (out of 10).
I'm pretty sure tabletennista made translation error (again).

Alborz
03-24-2014, 04:55 PM
Your link isn't correct, too many http....Any ways, 3 to 4 Chen is 30 to 40 percent. In Chinese, Chen is basically out of 10, no one will use 100%, or 0.3 and 0.4 Chen (out of 10).I'm pretty sure tabletennista made translation error (again).here is the correct link: http://tabletennista.com/2014/3/chinese-players-arrived-in-wuhan-for-the-a/
You are probably right about it. 3 or 4 percent is just too little for Fan Zhendong.

propingpong
03-25-2014, 08:50 AM
Hi all,
I just finished my calculating of points for the final match (Fan Zhendong vs Ma Long[/URL]).
The link is below:
[URL]http://www.propingpong.ru/statistic.php?video=4544 (http://www.propingpong.ru/profile.php?ittfid=24526447)

Sorry for delay. :)