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karl.e.rasmussen
04-13-2011, 11:58 AM
Hey

Is there any other than me who plays with short pimpels on backhand?

I play with Yasaka XTEND PO 1,8 mm on my backhand and I play with a Stiga Clipper Wood WRB blade.

I want to find out more about short pimpels rubbers and I hope someone on this forum has some information to share with me.

sebas-aguirre
04-14-2011, 03:33 AM
I used to play short pimples in bh.
it's effective against non-professional players but I feel points are more fun, longer and more spectacular when playing with inverted.
my rivals seemed to have problems with dhs 651 :)

jyechen
04-14-2011, 07:28 AM
Aww, I noticed you wanted direct advice. Otherwise I was going to blurt out "TANG PENG!"

I dunno, you might already, but you could always watch some videos of Tang Peng. Watching the professionals always gives me a little insight on stroke mechanics. :P

karl.e.rasmussen
04-14-2011, 08:08 AM
I have watched much videos of Tang Peng. He also have a fantastic forhand.

Shree
11-23-2011, 09:50 AM
Short pips has good effect in keeping the ball low and good for counter attack and back hand roll which will help in blocking too . If your back hand pips has sponge it is an advantage . You have to be care full when receiving fast counter serves which has topspin or side spin you have to be quick in receiving or you will net it or the ball will keep high .
You can slice the ball form behind and return the ball by defense and block it when your close to table on back hand side with proper angle of bat.

rhonis
11-23-2011, 10:28 AM
Yes I play with short pimples on my BH. I use Friendship R.I.T.C. 799. I think i play better without pimples, but the game is so much more interesting. I noticed that the stroke has to be alterred a little bit. No more big down upwards movement, the stroke is more horizontally. I have a slow sponge 1.8, but i will take a faster sponge next time. Blocking the ball is excellent when you are used to it. If you block passive the ball will go in the net lots of times. It's easier to make a little forwards motion and captapult the ball back. That's my favorite shot. I also like to playa loopy spin ball from a push ball to open the rally up. This is really hard for the opponent to read how much spin is in the ball (don't play it like a normal bh spinball you will play it over the table, shorten your stroke and play more horizontally). Most of the times when the oppenent tries to overspin they make a mistake. When they play the ball back with a block or chop you can hammer it down with the pimples.

I really love short pimples, because it creates the counter tabletennis play. What Shree said about fast service-returns, i don't have a problem with fast return i have problems with fast services with a little top-spin. It's hard to controll the ball without playing it to lang or to high. My other problem with short pimples is a hard smash. A soft stroke is not so difficult, but a long powerfull smash is a problem for me. I mostly hammer it straight and it will not drop down. I have to change my stroke i think to get that shot right.

YosuaYosan
11-23-2011, 03:11 PM
I occasionally use Friendship 802 RED with classic 1.5mm orange sponge. Best short pips EVER :D

Matt Hetherington
11-23-2011, 09:13 PM
I had RITC short pips on my backhand and still use them sometimes but not for competitions. I had a coach from Yantai in China who is a chopper who trained as a junior with Sun Bei Bei and Li Xiaoxia so I can chop a ball quite nicely and even now in matches I will still chop sometimes even with my nimbus sound haha I also have a bat which is short both sides Spectol with more sponge

Mr. RicharD
11-23-2011, 09:29 PM
1.8 seems very thick for a Short pips player. The Short pips players that I know use 1.2-1.5 which gives them much more control and also the ability to really have an all around game. 1.8 for pips seems really long and I think that takes away from the effect of lowing the angle of the return.

rhonis
11-23-2011, 10:52 PM
1.8 seems very thick for a Short pips player. The Short pips players that I know use 1.2-1.5 which gives them much more control and also the ability to really have an all around game. 1.8 for pips seems really long and I think that takes away from the effect of lowing the angle of the return.

It's true it's thick, but pips are not always for defending. Short pips when used close to the table are for offensive play. The pips themselve give me control enough in the rally and the sponge gives me more speed in counterblocks. It also gives more speed in "semi" spinballs. The whole games gets faster actually,
Only what i said before i have some problems with returning a service that comes to me very fast and has some topspin. I have to find out how to play it back without looping it to high. Short services are no problem, what ever the effect maybe the pips give the controll to play it anywhere i want (or just block it short and the oppenent can/will not attack, the third ball is easy for attacking).

azlan
11-24-2011, 06:03 AM
Yeah Rhonis, I have to agree with you on this. The reason is because there is this junior at my club who plays short pips on his BH. He's an offensive player and some guys have problems playing against him. Like you said, semi spin but loads of speed (though he can also produce heavy top spin). Kinda tricky coz normally we can just ride the spin by closing the face of the bat and get the ball across. With his semi spin shots, if we do that, the ball will go into the net.
Personally, I don't have much problem with it coz I played through Liu Guoliang era where virtually everyone that I know played with short pips out rubbers.

PlasmaLight
11-24-2011, 08:03 AM
I tried short pips last two weeks, because i have no good backhand (playing viscaria light und two plasma430 max). i played the spectol speed sponge max on my other viscaria light with a tenergy 05fx .. its funny and simple to play, but i dont really like it. i love the spectaculare game. topspin from everywhere ;) so i train backhand now :D

Matt Hetherington
11-24-2011, 09:54 AM
Awesome, I'm with u on that one Spectol are great short pips and if u use ur pips to attack i suggest u try the max sponge rubber out it really is awesome :)

rhonis
11-24-2011, 10:20 AM
Yeah Rhonis, I have to agree with you on this. The reason is because there is this junior at my club who plays short pips on his BH. He's an offensive player and some guys have problems playing against him. Like you said, semi spin but loads of speed (though he can also produce heavy top spin). Kinda tricky coz normally we can just ride the spin by closing the face of the bat and get the ball across. With his semi spin shots, if we do that, the ball will go into the net.
Personally, I don't have much problem with it coz I played through Liu Guoliang era where virtually everyone that I know played with short pips out rubbers.
Azlan, do you know what typ of short pips he has? I know you can produce lots of top spin, but for me it is difficult. I have problems with the timing i think. With inverted rubber the timing is important for the amount of spin, but mostly if you are a little of (not with ultra speed rubbers) the ball will still go on the table. With pips if the timing is a little bit of it will go for an home run :p. Or am i doing something else wrong (blade angle?).

And what you said about closing the face of the bat to get the ball across is true, my experience is also that players are scared for the balls coming from the pips. They don't use their best technique and try to lift the ball back more then ride it back (bit difficult to say in english :)). This makes the ball go up and ready for a killer stroke.

YosuaYosan
11-24-2011, 02:56 PM
Classic shortpips (usually much less spin compared to inverted, not some spinny short pips) is best used @ 1.8mm max thickness.
The reason is it allows the rubber to bottom out (hit the blade) while hitting (smashing) and driving, hence increasing the overall effectiveness of the short pips in its truest form (max speed with little to no spin).
However users playing with spinny short pips (TSP Spinpips, 729 802-40) could use up to max thickness so that the ball could have better dwell time thus maximizing the spin capability of the short pips. The spin is still less compared to inverted tho, the hitting capability is also slightly reduced due to increased sensitivity to spin.

rhonis
11-24-2011, 03:10 PM
Classic shortpips (usually much less spin compared to inverted, not some spinny short pips) is best used @ 1.8mm max thickness.
The reason is it allows the rubber to bottom out (hit the blade) while hitting (smashing) and driving, hence increasing the overall effectiveness of the short pips in its truest form (max speed with little to no spin).
However users playing with spinny short pips (TSP Spinpips, 729 802-40) could use up to max thickness so that the ball could have better dwell time thus maximizing the spin capability of the short pips. The spin is still less compared to inverted tho, the hitting capability is also slightly reduced due to increased sensitivity to spin.

Ok thanks for your explenation. So i should not take thicker sponge, but maybe change to a bit more spinny pip.

azlan
11-24-2011, 03:31 PM
Hi Rhonis, he uses short pips RITC 802-40 by 729Friendship. You can find it at :
http://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=r-802-40

Here are some write up about it:

Great hitting rubber
Good spin for a pip
Produces good spin
Suitable for attacking players
ITTF/USATT/CTTA approved

The true HAMMER of short pips. This product is suitable for close to the table hitters and power blockers. Very large conical shaped pips, tops are cross checked and rubber is hard and spinney.

This is a special production of 35 degree soft sponge, (note that this is NOT the poor playing German version). This sponge has solved the control problems of 802-40. The special 35degree adds to spin and also gives this hitting pip some much needed touch. 802-40 is probably one of the best all out attack pips on the planet.

Speed: 120
Spin: 80
Control:110
Deception: 0
Sponge: Soft

rhonis
11-24-2011, 04:06 PM
Hi Rhonis, he uses short pips RITC 802-40 by 729Friendship. You can find it at :
http://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=r-802-40

Here are some write up about it:

Great hitting rubber
Good spin for a pip
Produces good spin
Suitable for attacking players
ITTF/USATT/CTTA approved

The true HAMMER of short pips. This product is suitable for close to the table hitters and power blockers. Very large conical shaped pips, tops are cross checked and rubber is hard and spinney.

This is a special production of 35 degree soft sponge, (note that this is NOT the poor playing German version). This sponge has solved the control problems of 802-40. The special 35degree adds to spin and also gives this hitting pip some much needed touch. 802-40 is probably one of the best all out attack pips on the planet.

Speed: 120
Spin: 80
Control:110
Deception: 0
Sponge: Soft

Ok i just checked it out and for me it's to much offensive. The rubber is for really agressive play. I think for me the pips that are between 802-40 and 729-799 is the best. For 799 these are the stats:
Speed: 9+
Spin: 8
Control: 9
Hardness: °
Type: medium-short pips-out

- 729 Friendship RITC 799 Tackspeed Rubber
- Good elasticity, high speed, effective spin
- Great for service returns

from the site: http://www.presports.com/729-friendship-799-tackspeed-rubber-p-1035.html?zenid=10606fbd1e076dd1af5b2d305ba04485

The site says this about 802-40:
Speed: 12
Spin: 8
Control: 11
Hardness: 35°
Type: pips-out

- 729 Friendship 802-40 Rubber (Super Soft Pro Version)
- High speed
- Supports aggressive style
- Special 35 degrees Pro Sponge
- Powerful conical shaped pips
- 802-40 gives the ability to attack pushes and service that traditional rubbers cannot
- Maximise your attack off the bounce
- Crush your opponents best shots

YosuaYosan
11-24-2011, 04:30 PM
http://www.presports.com/729-friendship-802-tackspeed-rubber-p-1037.html

This rubber is such a BOSS X)
Currently in presports it is avalaible in 2.0mm black. Very very suitable for you imo since you also need some spin.

YosuaYosan
06-23-2012, 04:05 AM
Dude this was quite some time ago..
Now that I want to switch to short pips on backhand, reading my own advice sure is hilarious lol :p

Der_Echte
06-23-2012, 05:56 AM
I see many plyers here who play SP on BH use Yasaka Extend PO. Our club's ace is a J-pen player who uses an ancient J-Pen carbon blade using Extend PO in a thinish sponge, prolly around 1.3 or 1.5ish. He plays allround game to kill spin and place the ball well, but can FH blast the ball through you and the wall behind you with an RSM-like steparound finish. (He actually was an elite junior the same time as RSM and knows him) Very difficult player to face as a 2 wing agressive looper. This guy just destroys your timing and entices you to go after the wrong balls. You have to have a very good allround game and setup your high percentage, high spin shots well and use the power smash only when it can finish or setup the finish. This guy is too good at blocking and killing spin. You have to mess with his timing and overwhelm him with spin or power, but that can be a tricky thing. You have to know when to do that or you end up hanging your own self. This dude has a long graveyard of all-out attacking victims vs him.

He is city div 1 here and always goes to finals of nation open div 3. he should be a semi-strong natl div 2 player, but he is one of those who can get away with staying a div lower.

Many former J-Pen players convert to shakehand and some of them go the SP route on BH. Many of these players are tough cookies to face in a match. Myself, I have only a 66% win rate vs a pastor in our club who uses SP on BH who is a div lower than me. Dude is tough to play and destroys you timing. No real safe place to put the ball. You always have to take charge of the point or you will be picking up the ball as he adds another point to his score.

There are a few top female players in our city at div 2 and div 1 (Mens !!! level) who use SP on BH and it is Extend PO. They are even tougher and you have to bring the fight to them or the choke you and make you tap-out.

From all the amature tounreys I have played, I see either Extend PO or Spectol. Amazingly, I see very few players with BTY SP.

azlan
06-23-2012, 06:30 AM
Hey D_E, great story there. As a matter of fact, I myself just got back watching a tourney here this morning. I saw many of the guys that you mentioned above, 8 times national champion (he's 57 now), a bunch of ex national back up players (provincial players all in their 50s!), tearing my friends much younger team apart. I didn't play since the organizer said I wasn't allowed, but they let ex nat champ team play? hehe These geezers are good I'm telling ya. All were using PH (no RPB stuff here), except for one. They just kept the ball in play with control, and when you let your guards down, they blast one thru you! Like me now, their recovery is non existence, so every attack has to end up with a point. And boy, can they attack!

Der_Echte
06-23-2012, 03:23 PM
azlan, your use of the word GEEZERS is LOL and your English is as authentic as many of our native English speakers in US.

azlan
06-23-2012, 03:34 PM
azlan, your use of the word GEEZERS is LOL and your English is as authentic as many of our native English speakers in US.

Hahahaha LOL thanx buddy!! Means a lot coming from you! :P

bbkon
05-10-2017, 08:41 AM
are you talking about spectol speed(white sponge) or standard(beige sponge)?

danisius
06-04-2017, 08:52 PM
Hello dark masters (i could image when put pips on my BH would be given to the dark side of the force)
I switched to pips a year ago after several years out of tt due to injury.
My currennt settup is Mizuno Booster EV on Avalox P700 my backup blades are DHS Sharping and Spectol Blue and Armostrong 8L.
What i like most of the Mizuno is the speed and passive block abilities, but needs to play with at least 3 times a week because loose of feeling when does not play often.
In my area there no other short pips players so it is very hard with testing new rubbers next in my list is Victas v102 and maybe 101