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gen39
04-22-2014, 11:40 AM
Hey guys!

I'm planning on buying rubbers for my first blade DHS PG7 but I am somewhat skeptic if I will be able to buy a rubber that is suited for me.
I've been using Donic Coppa JO Silver for FH and BH.

Now, I've been thinking of having either DHS Neo Hurricane 3/Donic Bluefire M2 for FH and Tenergy 80 for BH since I believe these are very good rubbers.
But I wasn't so sure if I will be able to use it with my full ability as of this moment or will it help me improve my game!
You have some thoughts about these guys?

If you can suggest me rubbers other than those mentioned above, I would also appreciate it.

Thank you in advance! :)

agold
04-22-2014, 12:43 PM
Blue fire is a bad first rubber. It's uncontrollable. H3 will help you develop good form but will be difficult. T80FX may be better for a developing player. FH h3 and blue fire are two very different rubbers. Can you post a video of you playing?

Der_Echte
04-22-2014, 01:13 PM
Aurus, Genius, Adidas P5/P7 are nice modern rubbers that give you what you put in.

Everyone knows my eternal recommendation of XP2008 Super Power for el-cheepo starters.

mahomedy13
04-22-2014, 04:30 PM
I stick with with my opinion of Mark V rubbers-the perfect rubbers for first timers and even after they have become pros!

Amayzde
04-22-2014, 06:56 PM
I would say get buterfly sriver on both sides 1,7mm or yasaka mark v on both sides 1,8mm to start with. Woudnt jump straight into hurricane 3 neo, any tenergy or bluefires because it will take too long to adapt because its hard to controll these rubbers. Start with srivers or mark v to learn all the strokes and once you can pull of most of the strokes you can get better equiment but for starters its actually the best to just ask to a coach what to start with.

Bishop Rasta 27
04-23-2014, 03:42 AM
what's wrong with the Donic Coppa if i may ask? how long have you been playing? if you have a coach, it would be better if you work with him and try some equipment if there are available...or you can try your other club members' or friends equipment...by the way, how do you describe your playing style?

i first started with friendship 729 SuperFX both FH and BH...now i'm using T64 FH and 729 Super Fx Bh...i'll be trying der_echte's suggestion on cheap equipment, the dawei XP 2008 super power...i'm not a pro and not a beginner either, but still wanted to improve...glad you joined ttdaily, you will learn many things in this forum....:):):)

gen39
04-23-2014, 06:18 AM
I would say get buterfly sriver on both sides 1,7mm or yasaka mark v on both sides 1,8mm to start with. Woudnt jump straight into hurricane 3 neo, any tenergy or bluefires because it will take too long to adapt because its hard to controll these rubbers. Start with srivers or mark v to learn all the strokes and once you can pull of most of the strokes you can get better equiment but for starters its actually the best to just ask to a coach what to start with.

Thanks!
But I wanna ask if speed glue is used on bty sriver to make the rubber at its best?

gen39
04-23-2014, 06:50 AM
Blue fire is a bad first rubber. It's uncontrollable. H3 will help you develop good form but will be difficult. T80FX may be better for a developing player. FH h3 and blue fire are two very different rubbers. Can you post a video of you playing?

Unfortunately I can't.
But I play mostly using my FH with loops, drive and blocks. My BH is mainly used for control during rallies and I was on my way of improving it.
Like, I want to be able to loop effectively and consistently since my opponent likes to bring the ball on my BH side because I'm not good on BH.
Also, of course I wanna improve my FH also.

Regarding the Tenergy 80 Fx you stated that is good for developing player, are you referring to using it on both side or FH/BH only? tnx

gen39
04-23-2014, 06:53 AM
what's wrong with the Donic Coppa if i may ask? how long have you been playing? if you have a coach, it would be better if you work with him and try some equipment if there are available...or you can try your other club members' or friends equipment...by the way, how do you describe your playing style?

i first started with friendship 729 SuperFX both FH and BH...now i'm using T64 FH and 729 Super Fx Bh...i'll be trying der_echte's suggestion on cheap equipment, the dawei XP 2008 super power...i'm not a pro and not a beginner either, but still wanted to improve...glad you joined ttdaily, you will learn many things in this forum....:):):)

Donic coppa easily gets torn on its sides.
I play mostly using my FH and use BH mostly for control (so a rubber that would help develop my BH would be good).

Der_Echte
04-23-2014, 01:20 PM
I think for backhand, just about any control rubber can work to help anyone learn the stroke. Even regular H3 (after softening it up with some oil on the oil) (why they gotta make those sponges so hard??!!)

I got a bat with H3 on the BH side... you guessed it, the blade is the 896. Works great for an emergency bat. FH is a discarded sheet of Sigma I Euro.

I can make anything on BH work, except for rock hard Chinese sponged rubbers, but those work great after they break in and the sponge softens up some, plus I rub off the tack on my short to make it mildly tacky, right where I like it.

One doesn't have to spend a fortune on the BH rubber.

If you have enough money, Aurus or Genius works great, but there are thousands of possible suitable rubbers there.

I like XP 2008 Super Power because rubber is a very inexpensive controllable rubber that does all shots well, not great, but well enough. It is mid-firm, not rock hard, rubber lasts a long time through some abuse, and it costs $8 USD a sheet in USA, maybe cheaper at eacheng.net if you make a big order.

I think those are important factors for a BH rubber to grow up with, but I am just a maverick joker silly monkey. Trust Ur own judgment.

gen39
04-23-2014, 04:00 PM
I think for backhand, just about any control rubber can work to help anyone learn the stroke. Even regular H3 (after softening it up with some oil on the oil) (why they gotta make those sponges so hard??!!)

I got a bat with H3 on the BH side... you guessed it, the blade is the 896. Works great for an emergency bat. FH is a discarded sheet of Sigma I Euro.

I can make anything on BH work, except for rock hard Chinese sponged rubbers, but those work great after they break in and the sponge softens up some, plus I rub off the tack on my short to make it mildly tacky, right where I like it.

One doesn't have to spend a fortune on the BH rubber.

If you have enough money, Aurus or Genius works great, but there are thousands of possible suitable rubbers there.

I like XP 2008 Super Power because rubber is a very inexpensive controllable rubber that does all shots well, not great, but well enough. It is mid-firm, not rock hard, rubber lasts a long time through some abuse, and it costs $8 USD a sheet in USA, maybe cheaper at eacheng.net if you make a big order.

I think those are important factors for a BH rubber to grow up with, but I am just a maverick joker silly monkey. Trust Ur own judgment.

As always Der_Echte, you always impress us in the forum! :D
Thanks!

I'll keep your suggestions for BH in mind

agold
04-23-2014, 07:37 PM
Unfortunately I can't.
But I play mostly using my FH with loops, drive and blocks. My BH is mainly used for control during rallies and I was on my way of improving it.
Like, I want to be able to loop effectively and consistently since my opponent likes to bring the ball on my BH side because I'm not good on BH.
Also, of course I wanna improve my FH also.

Regarding the Tenergy 80 Fx you stated that is good for developing player, are you referring to using it on both side or FH/BH only? tnx

T80FX would be for backhand. It will be good for controlled blocking. One thing you could do with your backhand which I bet t80 fx would be good for is sidespin blocks. That's a step up from blocking. H3 isn't so good for drives. Another BH suggestion is Sriver.
For FH, Look into H3, and then look at YinHe Apollo I or III (NOT II) softer sponge, slightly cheaper, probably the III is better for blocks and drives and speed, and the I will have more arc and will be better farther away from the table.

mahomedy13
04-23-2014, 08:01 PM
T80FX would be for backhand. It will be good for controlled blocking. One thing you could do with your backhand which I bet t80 fx would be good for is sidespin blocks. That's a step up from blocking. H3 isn't so good for drives. Another BH suggestion is Sriver.
For FH, Look into H3, and then look at YinHe Apollo I or III (NOT II) softer sponge, slightly cheaper, probably the III is better for blocks and drives and speed, and the I will have more arc and will be better farther away from the table.

Dont underestimate the T80FX!It is not only a good rubber,but others who have used T05 have stated that bcos T80FX has a softer sponge and more dwell time,it produces more spin.It is also less sensitive to opponents spin than T05 and has a lower throw angle than it. It also has a lot of control.

Therefore i would say it is ideal for fh and bh

agold
04-23-2014, 08:09 PM
Dont underestimate the T80FX!It is not only a good rubber,but others who have used T05 have stated that bcos T80FX has a softer sponge and more dwell time,it produces more spin.It is also less sensitive to opponents spin than T05 and has a lower throw angle than it. It also has a lot of control.

Therefore i would say it is ideal for fh and bh

First of all, I am suggesting this rubber for a specific person. Second of all, it is ideal for almost every backhand, but only European loops. I have a Chinese loop.

agold
04-23-2014, 08:11 PM
T80FX would be for backhand. It will be good for controlled blocking. One thing you could do with your backhand which I bet t80 fx would be good for is sidespin blocks. That's a step up from blocking. H3 isn't so good for drives. Another BH suggestion is Sriver.
For FH, Look into H3, and then look at YinHe Apollo I or III (NOT II) softer sponge, slightly cheaper, probably the III is better for blocks and drives and speed, and the I will have more arc and will be better farther away from the table.

I know this is weird and would take a long time to adjust to, but consider medium or long pips if you start blocking with spin on your BH.

htfu
04-23-2014, 09:41 PM
i've been using moon pro on my backhand and it has been awesome ... forehand is way more of a personal thing for me so recommending what i use would probably not be the right thing for you, ymmcv

tabletennis11.com
04-24-2014, 03:39 AM
Anything with good control and spin and not an overwhelming amount of pace. Rakza 7 and Rakza 7 soft are very spin oriented rubbers with great control. Also As mentioned a few times above, Yasaka Mark V is a great stop for rookie players, great control and a bit of pace. Perfect for developing skills :)

gen39
04-24-2014, 08:59 AM
I know this is weird and would take a long time to adjust to, but consider medium or long pips if you start blocking with spin on your BH.

Well, yes, I have used long pips for my backhand but then I want to produce more spin on my backhand and also to improve my BH.

agold
04-24-2014, 11:18 AM
Anything with good control and spin and not an overwhelming amount of pace. Rakza 7 and Rakza 7 soft are very spin oriented rubbers with great control. Also As mentioned a few times above, Yasaka Mark V is a great stop for rookie players, great control and a bit of pace. Perfect for developing skills :)

I find it is hard to generate a lot of spin with mark V.

Mr. RicharD
04-24-2014, 12:36 PM
I would say stay with the JO Coppa or try something linearly equal in spin, but perhaps a bit more in speed. Xplode Sensitive (white sponge) is a step up in speed and probably equal in spin. If you want more control for your shots to help develop your stroke I'd recommend the same as others are saying: Sriver, Mark V, or on the JOOLA side Mambo or Mambo H.

Tinykin
04-24-2014, 07:26 PM
No matter which rubbers you buy you'll always be thinking, "why does everyone use Tenergy?" So get it over with and buy, as you suggest, the T80/T80FX as FH/BH. Don't change for at least 3 months.

agold
04-24-2014, 07:53 PM
No matter which rubbers you buy you'll always be thinking, "why does everyone use Tenergy?" So get it over with and buy, as you suggest, the T80/T80FX as FH/BH. Don't change for at least 3 months.

I don't use Tenergy on BH because it's too expensive.

Mr. RicharD
04-24-2014, 08:35 PM
If you want something to help improve your BH loop you should get a rubber that is not that fast, but has plenty of control and is soft to medium soft. The harder rubbers are primarily for those that like the feel or want more power in their shots. If you're worried about cost I'd recommend LKT Pro XP, Focus Snipe 3, or any rubber that has a softer rating from China. You're best bet though is to stick with a good basic rubber like Sriver, Mambo, or even your JO Coppa.

If you're having issues with the rubber tearing apart on the sides then that is poor timing/technique not a poor quality in rubber. One of the best tips I've ever gotten from a Pro is that if I'm hitting the edge of the table or chipping my rubber/blade that is not the equipment's fault it's my own fault. If however the rubber breaks when you are looping the ball then yes I can understand your concern. Many people push to hard, serve to wildly or just have poor timing and hit the edges of the table which causes the rubbers to chip away at the edges.

I know plenty of good players who would be equivalent to 2nd/3rd league in Bundesliga that say they can be OCD about their equipment and if they ding the blade or chip the rubber they need to get a new setup or they won't play to their best ability. As with many players this is probably just a superstition, but players will believe anything if it helps their mental game. I even know some players who use JO Coppa and love it so I'm not quite sure where you lie on that topic.

Let us know when you can post a video.

mahomedy13
04-24-2014, 08:40 PM
I find it is hard to generate a lot of spin with mark V.

First time Im hearing someone complain about the Mark V

agold
04-24-2014, 09:10 PM
First time Im hearing someone complain about the Mark V

Hmm. I never owned it. I tried someone else's for like 10 minutes. He got it from his coach without knowing anything about it. It could be years old for all I know, and his game involves mostly drives and punches, and even his serves aren't spin-oriented. Maybe the sheet was just in horrible condition.

gen39
04-26-2014, 12:18 PM
T80FX would be for backhand. It will be good for controlled blocking. One thing you could do with your backhand which I bet t80 fx would be good for is sidespin blocks. That's a step up from blocking. H3 isn't so good for drives. Another BH suggestion is Sriver.
For FH, Look into H3, and then look at YinHe Apollo I or III (NOT II) softer sponge, slightly cheaper, probably the III is better for blocks and drives and speed, and the I will have more arc and will be better farther away from the table.

The H3 you are talking about, does it mean Hurricane 3? tnx

agold
04-26-2014, 12:20 PM
The H3 you are talking about, does it mean Hurricane 3? tnx

Yes. Also consider neo versions

gen39
04-26-2014, 12:34 PM
What is with tenergy rubbers that most players say it's not ideal for rookies or even intermediate players?
I'm just really curious. Well, I've never played with tenergy rubbers before.

agold
04-26-2014, 01:15 PM
What is with tenergy rubbers that most players say it's not ideal for rookies or even intermediate players?
I'm just really curious. Well, I've never played with tenergy rubbers before.

I think FX is good for everyone that plays with correct form! I have used Tenergy, but only on other people's blades. Too expensive :)

mahomedy13
04-26-2014, 02:57 PM
What is with tenergy rubbers that most players say it's not ideal for rookies or even intermediate players?
I'm just really curious. Well, I've never played with tenergy rubbers before.

From the review of TTDaily on the T80FX,I believe these rubbers are for all players.

Der_Echte
04-26-2014, 03:15 PM
Honestly, whether you get $5 USD 729FX or $80ish USD Tenergy rubbers... doesn't matter in many important areas. You get a beginning equipment that will give you the possibility to grow learning the strokes you need with the possibility of control. Many pundits themselves disagree on exactly what that is, but the concept is universally supported by nearly every pundit coach: get controllable gear you can grow with that will allow you to train the basics and grow into your preferred style of play.

The rubber (or blade) will NOT improve your footwork, anticipation, stance, timing, tactics, movement, where you hit the ball, how hard your hit, how much you graze it, where on the ball you strike it, where in flight you decide to strike it, how you serve, how you integrate serves into your plan of attack, how you defend, how you maneuver opponent, how you structure your points...

You get the idea. The rubber or blade choice has nothing or very little to do with the above more important aspects of the game. Improving those greatly while using even a "crappy" bat grows you game marvelously. Still, equipment IS important, just not ALL important. You will have a hard time looping (if that is a shot you depend upon) with a T-10 decked out with Calibra LT+. Your early equipment should FACILITATE your learning along with your LEARNING and TRAINING from coaching, however you can get that done.

gen39
04-26-2014, 04:13 PM
From the review of TTDaily on the T80FX,I believe these rubbers are for all players.

Thanks mahomedy13!
Have you been using one or using a tenergy rubber before?

gen39
04-26-2014, 04:17 PM
Honestly, whether you get $5 USD 729FX or $80ish USD Tenergy rubbers... doesn't matter in many important areas. You get a beginning equipment that will give you the possibility to grow learning the strokes you need with the possibility of control. Many pundits themselves disagree on exactly what that is, but the concept is universally supported by nearly every pundit coach: get controllable gear you can grow with that will allow you to train the basics and grow into your preferred style of play.

The rubber (or blade) will NOT improve your footwork, anticipation, stance, timing, tactics, movement, where you hit the ball, how hard your hit, how much you graze it, where on the ball you strike it, where in flight you decide to strike it, how you serve, how you integrate serves into your plan of attack, how you defend, how you maneuver opponent, how you structure your points...

You get the idea. The rubber or blade choice has nothing or very little to do with the above more important aspects of the game. Improving those greatly while using even a "crappy" bat grows you game marvelously. Still, equipment IS important, just not ALL important. You will have a hard time looping (if that is a shot you depend upon) with a T-10 decked out with Calibra LT+. Your early equipment should FACILITATE your learning along with your LEARNING and TRAINING from coaching, however you can get that done.

Thanks Der_echte for sharing that concept! :)

Rajah*
04-26-2014, 04:18 PM
Gen39 i viewed your equipment a few days ago, it was stated that you are using t80 on bh.. now its not there anymore.

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Rajah*
04-26-2014, 04:23 PM
I believe these rubbers are for all players.

Not for all players
1 expensive not everybody can afford
2 not everybody appreciates fx versions
3 not fit to playing style, specially choppers

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gen39
04-26-2014, 04:26 PM
Gen39 i viewed your equipment a few days ago, it was stated that you are using t80 on bh.. now its not there anymore.

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Yeah, I just thought other members might be confused if they see it.
It's my brother using this account for this thread. I'll bring it back after he's done. :)

Looks like you are also using Tenergy 80 on BH :)

Rajah*
04-26-2014, 04:27 PM
Ohh ic yah i got confused thats why i asked.

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mahomedy13
04-26-2014, 04:32 PM
Thanks mahomedy13!
Have you been using one or using a tenergy rubber before?

I have used the T05FX before.

gen39
04-26-2014, 04:35 PM
Ohh ic yah i got confused thats why i asked.

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Sorry for that Rajah*.

gen39
04-26-2014, 04:36 PM
I have used the T05FX before.

Would you suggest it for BH or FH? tnx

mahomedy13
04-26-2014, 04:55 PM
Not for all players
1 expensive not everybody can afford
2 not everybody appreciates fx versions
3 not fit to playing style, specially choppers

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Im talking generally.I mean that if these rubbers were say around $20,they would be bought cos they can be played by the pros and beginners.Im not talking about people who have specialised eg Defenders and high speed attackers.

mahomedy13
04-26-2014, 05:00 PM
Would you suggest it for BH or FH? tnx

Its good for both fh and bh,but you have to have a good bh,otherwise it will be hard to control due to the high throw and the reaction to opponents spin.

But otherwise,its very good