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XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 12:29 AM
Hi everyone! This is my first post on TTD :D
I want to buy a new rubber for my backhand because I found that Vega Elite is too soft and so unpredictable. I have two options, Vega Pro or Vega Japan?:D

UpSideDownCarl
05-18-2014, 02:56 AM
Any reason why you are only looking at two options when and they are both Xiom Vega options when you know there is at least one Xiom Vega rubber that you don't like?

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 03:13 AM
Because I'm upgrading to something harder and more high throw. Vega Elite is very soft and low throw that makes my game so unpredictable...

tabletennis11.com
05-18-2014, 04:57 AM
Try Vega Pro it's very popular among attacking players who like a good solid spin game with a balance of extra speed and control, the throw angle isn't too low and it's not as soft as Vega Elite, could fit ok, it's definitely a commonly ordered and used rubber for attackers.

http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-xiom-vega-pro#.U3g9ffmSwo4

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 05:17 AM
Hmmm okayy :D

UpSideDownCarl
05-18-2014, 06:16 AM
Because I'm upgrading to something harder and more high throw. Vega Elite is very soft and low throw that makes my game so unpredictable...

But if you don't like Vega Elite, if you think Vega Elite is unpredictable, why do you think you will like Vega Pro or Vega Japan?

Amayzde
05-18-2014, 09:42 AM
Why does it has to be a Xion Vega rubber? I think the pro version will be too hard for you. Why dont you try Donic Baracuda? Meduim hardness has a load of spin and has high throw.

mahomedy13
05-18-2014, 10:56 AM
Because I'm upgrading to something harder and more high throw. Vega Elite is very soft and low throw that makes my game so unpredictable...

Try rakza 7-a very popular backhand rubber

Anders
05-18-2014, 01:16 PM
Just try to keep an open mind when you're searching for your backhand rubber. If you try a few of your friends you might just stumble over the perfect one! :)

Xiom Vega, Rakza 7, Donic Barracuda are some good options! Andro Rasant, Butterfly Tenergy, Stiga Calibra and Donic Bluefire are some others, and there is probably a thousand more! Just keep an open mind, and keep searching until you feel your combo is perfect :)

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 01:17 PM
But if you don't like Vega Elite, if you think Vega Elite is unpredictable, why do you think you will like Vega Pro or Vega Japan?
Firstly, Vega Elite is soft, and I'm using a flexible blade, it dwells too much and it is hard to play a powerful backhand shot.
Secondly, Vega Pro and Vega Japan are both rubbers that I found good review on backhand. Both are high throw so that flicks will be easier and faster.

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 01:22 PM
Just try to keep an open mind when you're searching for your backhand rubber. If you try a few of your friends you might just stumble over the perfect one! :)

Xiom Vega, Rakza 7, Donic Barracuda are some good options! Andro Rasant, Butterfly Tenergy, Stiga Calibra and Donic Bluefire are some others, and there is probably a thousand more! Just keep an open mind, and keep searching until you feel your combo is perfect :)

Well, actually I've been looking into Rakza 7 too. I have no experience in Donic (except S3) and Andro (except Roxon). Butterfly Tenergy would be good but it is too expensive for a student.

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 01:24 PM
Why does it has to be a Xion Vega rubber? I think the pro version will be too hard for you. Why dont you try Donic Baracuda? Meduim hardness has a load of spin and has high throw.
Because both rubbers are hard. As mentioned, I'm using a flexible blade, so the hardness of the rubber can compensate the flexiblity of the blade. It can also force the blade to 'sink in' more to generate more spin.

mahomedy13
05-18-2014, 02:10 PM
Maybe you want to wait for Stiga's Airoc There advertising makes it look really great.

Also consider ball change thats going to take place.

Then you might choose differently.

(I would suggest you wait for the new ball to come out,then read a helluva lot of reviews of people and what they suggest plays well with it and then choose.You might also look at the pros and see if they change their rubbers etc)

XariuzCruz
05-18-2014, 02:24 PM
Maybe you want to wait for Stiga's Airoc There advertising makes it look really great.

Also consider ball change thats going to take place.

Then you might choose differently.

(I would suggest you wait for the new ball to come out,then read a helluva lot of reviews of people and what they suggest plays well with it and then choose.You might also look at the pros and see if they change their rubbers etc)
I've put that in list too. Ever heard of DHS Hurricane 8? That's what I'm going to use on the forehand in the future if the ball is going to change.
Pretty much addicted to Hurricanes on forehand lol

mahomedy13
05-18-2014, 02:27 PM
Hurricane 3-50,Hurricane 8 and Tinarc 5 have been developed for the new ball-according to DHS' website.

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2014, 01:58 AM
So, based on your answers, I will give you some information. I know a lot of people who like Vega Pro for their backhand and say it has a lot of control. I know other people who tried Vega Pro for backhand and said it is inconsistent and non-linear and they never knew where their shots were going to end up so they did not like it. Now, for someone who likes it, it may be a good backhand rubber. But, chances are, if you find Vega Elite inconsistent, then you may find the same and be annoyed by Vega Pro or Vega Japan.

Yes, Elite is SOFT. I actually don't know anyone who likes any of the Xiom rubbers that are Elite hardness and have heard several people, including people who like super soft rubbers, say that the Xiom Elite rubbers are not so good. That means Vega Elite, Omega IV Elite etc. There might be plenty of people who do like those rubbers in the Elite hardness, but I don't know any, and some of the people I talked to are pros who get Xiom rubbers straight from the distributor.

So, it may in fact be that the Elite hardness is the problem. But, it would be unfortunate if you are one of those people who is going to use Vega Pro or Vega Japan and think that it is inconsistent because it is not a good rubber for you. So you should just be aware that there are people who don't like Vega Pro and find it INCONSISTENT AND NON-LINEAR.

And when I asked why you were interested in those rubbers, I was wondering if it was just that you had read reviews or had actually tried them. If you said you had tried them, then it would tell me that you probably do like them and just can't decide which to get. But since it is based on reading reviews, I am not sure what to tell you. One person might try something and love it and another person gets the same thing because of the review and ends up really unhappy because the review made him think he would like something and he does not.

Therefore, when Anders tells you to keep an open mind and keep trying rubbers that friends have, he is giving you really good information.

XariuzCruz
05-19-2014, 10:52 AM
So, based on your answers, I will give you some information. I know a lot of people who like Vega Pro for their backhand and say it has a lot of control. I know other people who tried Vega Pro for backhand and said it is inconsistent and non-linear and they never knew where their shots were going to end up so they did not like it. Now, for someone who likes it, it may be a good backhand rubber. But, chances are, if you find Vega Elite inconsistent, then you may find the same and be annoyed by Vega Pro or Vega Japan.

Yes, Elite is SOFT. I actually don't know anyone who likes any of the Xiom rubbers that are Elite hardness and have heard several people, including people who like super soft rubbers, say that the Xiom Elite rubbers are not so good. That means Vega Elite, Omega IV Elite etc. There might be plenty of people who do like those rubbers in the Elite hardness, but I don't know any, and some of the people I talked to are pros who get Xiom rubbers straight from the distributor.

So, it may in fact be that the Elite hardness is the problem. But, it would be unfortunate if you are one of those people who is going to use Vega Pro or Vega Japan and think that it is inconsistent because it is not a good rubber for you. So you should just be aware that there are people who don't like Vega Pro and find it INCONSISTENT AND NON-LINEAR.

And when I asked why you were interested in those rubbers, I was wondering if it was just that you had read reviews or had actually tried them. If you said you had tried them, then it would tell me that you probably do like them and just can't decide which to get. But since it is based on reading reviews, I am not sure what to tell you. One person might try something and love it and another person gets the same thing because of the review and ends up really unhappy because the review made him think he would like something and he does not.

Therefore, when Anders tells you to keep an open mind and keep trying rubbers that friends have, he is giving you really good information.
I think I should borrow my friend's Vega Pro to decide....

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2014, 12:06 PM
I think I should borrow my friend's Vega Pro to decide....

That would help you a lot. Because it is a good rubber and a lot of people like it. But the people who don't describe why very similarly to why you did not like Vega Elite. Then you would know if you like the rubber for sure before you went and bought it. It is very reasonably priced and when it works for someone it is great. But it is worth trying it.

XariuzCruz
05-19-2014, 12:09 PM
That would help you a lot. Because it is a good rubber and a lot of people like it. But the people who don't describe why very similarly to why you did not like Vega Elite. Then you would know if you like the rubber for sure before you went and bought it. It is very reasonably priced and when it works for someone it is great. But it is worth trying it.
One of my friend also told me that when he tried my Vega Elite, he felt like the rubber is hard to use

Rajah*
05-20-2014, 03:04 AM
Hello there, we usually use hard on fh so than when we giveout powerful spin it would go like a pounding hammer on your opponents blade, a medium hard rubber on bh to give us a balance control and spin and speed. Using a soft on bh will give you too much dwell, and difficult to control and it will be difficult for you when receiving tremendous amount of spin..and if you go mid distance counter on a soft it most of the time fall short when taking high spins. Using soft versions it learning skill on training is okay.

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XariuzCruz
05-20-2014, 06:48 AM
Hello there, we usually use hard on fh so than when we giveout powerful spin it would go like a pounding hammer on your opponents blade, a medium hard rubber on bh to give us a balance control and spin and speed. Using a soft on bh will give you too much dwell, and difficult to control and it will be difficult for you when receiving tremendous amount of spin..and if you go mid distance counter on a soft it most of the time fall short when taking high spins. Using soft versions it learning skill on training is okay.

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Hmm that's the problem that I encounter...

Rajah*
05-20-2014, 12:54 PM
Yes i would advise that you go for a medium.. you will see a better result and dropping a ball will be lessen. A combination of a wood with a good dwell time + medium rubber on bh is better. A range from 36-39 degrees will be good.

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Anders
05-21-2014, 09:21 AM
Yes i would advise that you go for a medium.. you will see a better result and dropping a ball will be lessen. A combination of a wood with a good dwell time + medium rubber on bh is better. A range from 36-39 degrees will be good.

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Agree, but you have to base it on what level you are on. For a decent player with good technique, you could go with a standard combo like Clipper Wood + Tenergy :)

Scorpnox
05-21-2014, 11:08 AM
What hardness is Tenergy 80? And the FX version?

Rajah*
05-21-2014, 12:51 PM
What hardness is Tenergy 80? And the FX version?

Medium t80- 36 degrees
Fx version- 32 degrees

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XariuzCruz
05-21-2014, 01:09 PM
Agree, but you have to base it on what level you are on. For a decent player with good technique, you could go with a standard combo like Clipper Wood + Tenergy :)
Clipper Wood is more to an all-out attacker, I'm a looper...
I think I cannot handle 7 ply blade than 5 ply. If I'm going to change my equipment maybe I'll choose Infinity VPS V, but still thinking about looping abilities....
Tenergy is too expensive for me, I can't afford it, so now I still stick to my Hurricane 3 NEO

Rajah*
05-21-2014, 01:16 PM
You can try acuda s2 its almost same as t05, or xiom vega pro


Ohh infinity vps is good :-)
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XariuzCruz
05-21-2014, 01:46 PM
You can try acuda s2 its almost same as t05, or xiom vega pro


Ohh infinity vps is good :-)
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As long as not too soft and rather high throw then I put it into my list :D
I'm just wondering if the handle of Infinity VPS V suit me or not...

Rajah*
05-21-2014, 02:03 PM
Master is like flared, hmm i prefer the straight handle of infinity.. try holding which fits your grip better

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XariuzCruz
05-21-2014, 02:06 PM
Hmm I love flared handles <3 <3 <3
But will it be too small or too rough?

XariuzCruz
05-21-2014, 02:13 PM
Okay now! Donic Baracuda, Vega Pro, Acuda S2, Rakza 7. Which of these is more suitable on an all-wood 5 ply flexible blade like Yinhe MC2?

Scorpnox
05-21-2014, 04:11 PM
Wich Tenergy would be best on Infinity VPS for the BH? I play with EVO EL-P now but want to try a tenergy ...
Most important is opening on underspin... I can block and counter fairly well .

agold
05-21-2014, 08:11 PM
You can try acuda s2 its almost same as t05, or xiom vega pro
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My next rubber :) Tenergy is too expensive for me haha

Anders
05-23-2014, 08:11 AM
Wich Tenergy would be best on Infinity VPS for the BH? I play with EVO EL-P now but want to try a tenergy ...
Most important is opening on underspin... I can block and counter fairly well .

I don't know the EVO EL-P, but if it's soft and you like soft rubbers then go for the FX version of 05, it's the best FX version I've tried.
If you like medium rubbers, try the 05 or the 80, both good. The 80 has longer trajectory, it's really all about preference :)

Anders
05-23-2014, 08:16 AM
Okay now! Donic Baracuda, Vega Pro, Acuda S2, Rakza 7. Which of these is more suitable on an all-wood 5 ply flexible blade like Yinhe MC2?

They're all good, but it depends on the blade. If the blade is soft, then go for a medium rubber, you probably don't want a too soft combination.. If the blade is soft, go for a medium rubber like Rakza 7 or Acuda, the Baracuda is too soft for me. But that it just for me, you should try for yourself and see :)

XariuzCruz
05-23-2014, 09:10 AM
They're all good, but it depends on the blade. If the blade is soft, then go for a medium rubber, you probably don't want a too soft combination.. If the blade is soft, go for a medium rubber like Rakza 7 or Acuda, the Baracuda is too soft for me. But that it just for me, you should try for yourself and see :)
Okay, RAKZA 7!

dici
05-24-2014, 11:27 AM
I just saw u r from msia. If u really unsure, u can go to shop to check first. There is one ex malaysia champion open a tt shop in kl. There r few nore shops around kl too. Usually they can give u advise too

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XariuzCruz
05-24-2014, 12:33 PM
I'm in Sarawak lol

Zaid323918
03-02-2017, 03:14 PM
Because both rubbers are hard. As mentioned, I'm using a flexible blade, so the hardness of the rubber can compensate the flexiblity of the blade. It can also force the blade to 'sink in' more to generate more spin.

I had the same problem cuz I am using a flexible blade. I use Vega Pro on both sides in MAX thickness and it works really well. On my backhand rubber I put a little baby oil on it from time to time to keep a little soft.

Oscar Pollard
03-03-2017, 09:29 PM
stray away from those rubbers if you dont like one and use either tenergy 05 or hurricane neo 3 which gets more throw than tenergy but less pace and higher throw angle

Der_Echte
03-04-2017, 05:52 AM
Get my BH rubber and end ur search. I play well with pretty much any inverted max rubber, but play best with middle of the road control rubbers. We could name a few hundred, but the last two I use regularly are Dawei PP 2008 SP and Nexy Elpis.

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