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TTjhonel04
05-19-2014, 12:08 PM
Hi GUYS! :D... It's me again..... I just wanted to ask you guys if using an inverted rubber with a blue sponge legal? Because some of those who I know are telling me that it is not.... and they said that one of their friends weren't able to play at a tournament because of having a rubber with a blue sponge......

Oh... and by the way My blue sponge inverted rubber is DHS H3 national team rubber

Tony's Table Tennis
05-19-2014, 12:22 PM
Those people are talking rubbish
white sponge, green sponge, blue sponge, orange sponge, black sponge, cream colour sponge etc is all legal

Ask them to show you where in the ITTF Law it says blue sponge is illegal. If he can find it, then please show this to Chinese national team too

TTjhonel04
05-19-2014, 12:33 PM
Those people are talking rubbish
white sponge, green sponge, blue sponge, orange sponge, black sponge, cream colour sponge etc is all legal

Ask them to show you where in the ITTF Law it says blue sponge is illegal. If he can find it, then please show this to Chinese national team too


Ah.... tnx.... Was just wondering about that... still tnx for the info :).. GodBless sir!!! :)

Alborz
05-19-2014, 12:35 PM
Every color of sponge is legal.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-19-2014, 01:02 PM
Ah.... tnx.... Was just wondering about that... still tnx for the info :).. GodBless sir!!! :)

Your welcome.
And just to give you some extra facts, so you can go and teach those people some lessons :p

The only law relating to sponge is that the entire rubber must not exceed 4mm in height
Only law on topsheet is that it needs to be ITTF approved list (on the racket covering list), and of red or black in colour.
Any combination of sponge and top sheet is legal - providing that it meets the above 2 requirements.

UpSideDownCarl
05-19-2014, 01:11 PM
The color of the sponge is not an issue. The color of the topsheet is the only thing regulated. You have to have a red side and a black side. The topsheets have to be red or black and you have to have one of each. The sponge underneath can be any color.

And Tony's post about them finding the rule in the ITTF rulebook is a good one. I would tell them they should try to find that rule in the ITTF manual. And, also, as Tony says, ask them how the Chinese National Team players could get away with using it in major tournaments if it was against the rules. And show them the ITTF approved sign and registration on the rubber and ask them how it has that if it is not legal.

Amayzde
05-19-2014, 03:17 PM
thats not true at all. Chinese players use Blue sponged rubbers. And Bluefire M1-3 and JP 01-03 are all aproved by ittf

TurboZ
05-20-2014, 01:05 PM
There was a proposal years ago to ban using dark colour sponge with red rubber to avoid any colour variation because of the transparency of red top sheet. That did not materialize but cause enough confusion. I believe DHS simply won't use blue sponge on their red rubber to play safe and not risking any rubber suddenly turned illegal.

Der_Echte
05-20-2014, 01:10 PM
Tell them it is legal and they can make Clint Eastwood's day.

mahomedy13
05-20-2014, 08:32 PM
where did they pull that rubbish from?

Surely they know how to read and understand that the only law regarding sponge and topsheet is that it must be not more than 4mm and 1 side black and other side red.

Maybe they were trying to put you into a miserable state because you had a good expensive rubber and were feeling envious.

but you never know.

harveyaquino
05-21-2014, 03:41 AM
"I just wanted to ask you guys if using an inverted rubber with a blue sponge legal? Because some of those who I know are telling me that it is not.... and they said that one of their friends weren't able to play at a tournament because of having a rubber with a blue sponge"

That is ridiculous man. Whoever said those do not know the ITTF rules or maybe they are not even competition players to begin with? I've used blue sponge H3 at the recent world tour in Subic and it was allowed. This is the first time I've heard that someone playing with blue sponge rubbers were not allowed to play.


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TTjhonel04
05-21-2014, 10:17 AM
"I just wanted to ask you guys if using an inverted rubber with a blue sponge legal? Because some of those who I know are telling me that it is not.... and they said that one of their friends weren't able to play at a tournament because of having a rubber with a blue sponge"

That is ridiculous man. Whoever said those do not know the ITTF rules or maybe they are not even competition players to begin with? I've used blue sponge H3 at the recent world tour in Subic and it was allowed. This is the first time I've heard that someone playing with blue sponge rubbers were not allowed to play.




Yeah,,, and even I cant believe of what they were saying,, and that mad me confused like,,, if am I gonna pursue to Buy the H3 Blue Sponge that I've been wanting for long or not..... that's why I came here to approach you guys O:))

Mr. RicharD
05-21-2014, 02:39 PM
2.04.06
The surface of the covering material on a side of the blade, or of a side of the blade if it is left uncovered, shall be matt, bright red on one side and black on the other.



This is the only law that states blue sponge may not be used with transparent red rubber. Typically in the Bluefire and Xiom case their rubbers are not transparent so they need not worry about the blue/black sponge. The Chinese brands tend to be more transparent and thus need lighter colored sponges with their red topsheets. That's the only rule that holds exception to what people have said above so as long as you don't have a red H3 sheet with blue sponge (which I don't believe is even manufactured by dhs), you're good to go.

Bishop Rasta 27
05-22-2014, 06:46 AM
you have much to learn here man...you've got the best in ttdaily!!!i learn from them too!!

"baka naman yung mga nagsasabi ng ganun eh hanggang bangketa lang sila..."

no such regulation in the ittf about sponge color,only sponge size or thickness limit, if i can recall or the combi of sponge and topsheet thickness...

michiy
06-30-2014, 03:19 PM
Basically the issue is with regards the transparency of red topsheets with darker colour sponges. That's why the famous (original only) blue sponge H3 only comes in black topsheets, so there is no colour variation whatsoever.

The reason he might have denied participation at the tournament it's because he rubber is either a fake or not ITTF approved.

http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=rubber

This is the link which contains equipment approved by ITTF and can be used on official tournaments.

darkky65
06-30-2014, 04:11 PM
a lot of umpires in minor events here at the philippines dose not even know basic rules. i had an experience when the umpire wont allow serves that are not cross court in SINGLES :(

michiy
06-30-2014, 04:16 PM
a lot of umpires in minor events here at the philippines dose not even know basic rules. i had an experience when the umpire wont allow serves that are not cross court in SINGLES :(

Is this real life? You gotta be kidding man.

How did the situation go? Did you have to show him the rules?

darkky65
06-30-2014, 04:18 PM
Is this real life? You gotta be kidding man.

How did the situation go? Did you have to show him the rules?

my coached talked to the committee. apparently most of the umpires were just teachers forced to umpire and had to get a crash course in the rules.

Tony's Table Tennis
06-30-2014, 04:53 PM
my coached talked to the committee. apparently most of the umpires were just teachers forced to umpire and had to get a crash course in the rules.

This is very normal
Not sure why people are even surprised.

If this is an ITTF sanctioned, or approved tournament, of course the umpires will be properly trainined.
Otherwise, any small event, the technical know how of the rules has always been a huge problem.

For example, I wasn't allowed to even call time out, the other coach/teacher complained to the umpire that they have never heard of this before.

I am surprised they even know about the different colour sponges and even suggesting blue is illegal. Now where did that come from

Bishop Rasta 27
07-01-2014, 03:27 AM
a lot of umpires in minor events here at the philippines dose not even know basic rules. i had an experience when the umpire wont allow serves that are not cross court in SINGLES :(
yap...and that's frustrating for me as a school coach and umpire too...i don't know if they are updated or not or just ignore the rules just because they wanted somebody to win...

cjniuie123
07-01-2014, 10:26 PM
hahaha old Umpire and teacher always have a crazy impression about my rubber.