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agold
06-05-2014, 07:46 PM
Hi everyone. A relatively new serve for me. Could you give me suggestions on more spin and spin disguise and also general improvements and things that aren't so great? Thanks


http://youtu.be/sU91iUmiMc0

mahomedy13
06-05-2014, 08:35 PM
Hi everyone. A relatively new serve for me. Could you give me suggestions on more spin and spin disguise and also general improvements and things that aren't so great? Thanks


http://youtu.be/sU91iUmiMc0

If you still learning the basics of the serve,dont worry about disguise.when you perfect the serve, then learn the disguises.

ttmonster
06-06-2014, 01:07 AM
Great Job Agold , its not an easy serve at all !! See if you can add body weight transfer like Zhang Jike/FZD does it will help you on two counts , more spin and getting into ready position faster ,also check out their serves minutely , I guess they are doing their backswing a little more sideways . One more recommendation, see if you can practice getting into ready position just after the serve, just helps makes the serve motion closer to match practice

MDanielCRO
06-06-2014, 06:11 AM
Hi everyone. A relatively new serve for me. Could you give me suggestions on more spin and spin disguise and also general improvements and things that aren't so great? Thanks


http://youtu.be/sU91iUmiMc0


Pretty good for begginer, I remember when I was your years, I couldn't make it anyway. Just keep practising, later you will be able to generate more spin with faster movement, It will come by itself don't worry. Practise is everything

MDanielCRO
06-06-2014, 07:27 AM
Pretty good for begginer, I remember when I was your years, I couldn't make it anyway. Just keep practising, later you will be able to generate more spin with faster movement, It will come by itself don't worry. Practise is everything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiG4z7uVNeQ
This is how I do it

agold
06-06-2014, 11:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiG4z7uVNeQ
This is how I do it

I see. This is very helpful. So you have
1. A more sudden movement
2. A quicker movement
3. Tons more wrist

I will work on that. Thanks a lot.

MDanielCRO
06-06-2014, 11:08 AM
I see. This is very helpful. So you have
1. A more sudden movement
2. A quicker movement
3. Tons more wrist

I will work on that. Thanks a lot.

Just practice and you will make it better.

You are wellcome

agold
06-06-2014, 11:09 AM
I see. This is very helpful. So you have
1. A more sudden movement
2. A quicker movement
3. Tons more wrist

I will work on that. Thanks a lot.

EDIT: looking again I realize the main difference which will help me a lot. The reason that I'm not serving quickly is that I don't want the ball in the net. If I open the bat more like you I can generate more spin

GiorgosTT
06-07-2014, 06:05 PM
Not trying to criticize here, but having just read a thread about illegal serves, i noticed both serves are illegal.

Daniel's hand is clearly hiding the ball contact, and i think agold does it too, though i can't be sure from that angle...

Now, it's none of my business to tell you guys how to serve, but i think, especially agold who is young and learning this serve now, should learn it the right (legal) way, and add any deception later on.

mahomedy13
06-07-2014, 06:21 PM
just snap your wrist a bit more though. you look too relaxed to,so if i was an opponent i would know exactly the serve you are doing.( or it might be cos you still learning)

agold
06-07-2014, 10:51 PM
Not trying to criticize here, but having just read a thread about illegal serves, i noticed both serves are illegal.

Daniel's hand is clearly hiding the ball contact, and i think agold does it too, though i can't be sure from that angle...

Now, it's none of my business to tell you guys how to serve, but i think, especially agold who is young and learning this serve now, should learn it the right (legal) way, and add any deception later on.

Neither is illegal. The hand goes away or is not blocking the serve.

agold
06-07-2014, 11:15 PM
My next version. I tried to incorporate the suggestions. I also copied your serve Daniel. @ttmonster I tried to do body transfer but it was hard I also really should be getting into position. I will do that in a future version.

I also added a toss that might be slightly illegal but not enough to call it.

More suggestions are appreciated! Thanks everyone for what you've given me so far.


http://youtu.be/kYixqw-1-6M

agold
06-07-2014, 11:19 PM
Neither is illegal. The hand goes away or is not blocking the serve.

Looking at my new serve, my hand is completely blocking contact. Gotta work on that! Thanks

agold
06-07-2014, 11:22 PM
My illegal serve (I think). I just need to get my hand out fasterhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/baje9e5a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/uzetany4.jpg

I don't think the second one is illegal, although I'm not sure.

agold
06-07-2014, 11:26 PM
My illegal serve (I think). I just need to get my hand out fasterhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/baje9e5a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/uzetany4.jpg

I don't think the second one is illegal, although I'm not sure.

This one is before contact. This is an interesting conversation. Does anyone have the exact rule, could you post it?http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/nu8yny7e.jpg

agold
06-07-2014, 11:30 PM
Here are Daniels serves. Hard to tellhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/uhesyqug.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/7uhure5y.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/eza7uder.jpg

GiorgosTT
06-09-2014, 12:19 AM
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This looks a bit like the old times when everybody was serving under their arms! ;)

Anyway, back to topic, when i was trying to learn this serve, at some point i attempted to copy the movement of Zhang Jike (who?). I noticed he was lifting his elbow pretty high when performing this serve, and his arm at contact time was almost vertical. When i tried it myself, i found that i had better control, and it was easier to vary my spin (especially doing short side topspin serves).
You should try that, see how it works for you.

Here it is at 0:25


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJaoTSYzhHw

GiorgosTT
06-09-2014, 12:22 AM
There is also a great tutorial with Michael Maze achieving underspin and topspin with almost the same movement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AivEqQcO0Qg

agold
06-09-2014, 01:10 AM
There is also a great tutorial with Michael Maze achieving underspin and topspin with almost the same movement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AivEqQcO0Qg

Thanks so much for both posts. Maze has very little follow through and that might help disguise. I will try to lift my elbow. Thanks a lot!

ttmonster
06-09-2014, 02:47 AM
Golden rule of table tennis : don't stiffen up , try to un-purse you lips :)

My next version. I tried to incorporate the suggestions. I also copied your serve Daniel. @ttmonster I tried to do body transfer but it was hard I also really should be getting into position. I will do that in a future version.

I also added a toss that might be slightly illegal but not enough to call it.

More suggestions are appreciated! Thanks everyone for what you've given me so far.


http://youtu.be/kYixqw-1-6M

agold
06-09-2014, 02:49 AM
Golden rule of table tennis : don't stiffen up , try to un-purse you lips :)

Wow! Didn't even notice! Well that's a bad habit I guess. I realize I'm doing it as I write this! Haha well thanks so much for all the help.

ttmonster
06-09-2014, 02:52 AM
Wow! Didn't even notice! Well that's a bad habit I guess. I realize I'm doing it as I write this! Haha well thanks so much for all the help.

Ha ha ! Its a pleasure agold. I also agree about the arm and elbow height that GionisTT was saying , thats what I was trying to tell you the first time. One easy thing would be to have your arm at the start of the backswing when you start serving and once you get that down you can start the complete motion.

ttmonster
06-09-2014, 02:53 AM
BTW , its not a bad habit , its an indication that your body is not completely relaxed and you are not breathing normally

agold
06-09-2014, 02:53 AM
Ha ha ! Its a pleasure agold. I also agree about the arm and elbow height that GionisTT was saying , thats what I was trying to tell you the first time. One easy thing would be to have your arm at the start of the backswing when you start serving and once you get that down you can start the complete motion.

So you mean that I just hold my bat in the last position it would be in before contact, and then just throw the ball and do the motion from there? That's a good idea.

agold
06-09-2014, 02:56 AM
BTW , its not a bad habit , its an indication that your body is not completely relaxed and you are not breathing normally

Maybe I could do a procedure in tourneys before every serve, kind of like basketball players before free throws—like maybe I breathe out a couple times, and shake out my arms, and then serve. I know ML sometimes shakes out his bat in his wrist to listen the grip up for more rotation.

ttmonster
06-09-2014, 02:59 AM
You can try or just try to relax whenever you are playing table tennis . Gotta go to work man, I will catch you later. Good Luck with your serve practice.

agold
06-09-2014, 03:00 AM
You can try or just try to relax whenever you are playing table tennis . Gotta go to work man, I will catch you later. Good Luck with your serve practice.

Thanks so much for your help

MDanielCRO
06-09-2014, 11:40 AM
I didn't even notice that I was doing it wrong (ilegal) haha, I don't hide it because I want to hide it, just forget to remove my arm. I think I don't do that anymore because this video is recorded before 4 months, now I am serving completely different

agold
06-09-2014, 11:57 AM
I didn't even notice that I was doing it wrong (ilegal) haha, I don't hide it because I want to hide it, just forget to remove my arm. I think I don't do that anymore because this video is recorded before 4 months, now I am serving completely different

Well now i need to change it too

RyanLol
06-17-2014, 03:22 AM
Shortly, i think you need to know about center of gravity moves..Without it, only using the arms swing is hard to make a powerful spin serve. That's the reason why national players stemp their foot when they make a serve. Good luck:)

michiy
06-30-2014, 06:08 PM
Well now i need to change it too

I had the same problems couple months ago. I forced myself to throw my whole arm either aside or backwards, this would solve the "illegal" aspects of the serve and help me get into position faster. After about 4-5 weeks I started serving like this automatically.