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virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 09:50 AM
Gd evening everyone

After 2 yrs of injury healing, there is finally hope for me to return to the sport. However, Im not too sure what to make of from the equipment i've got. So it will be really useful if you guys can give me some of your thoughts. :o

I was playing competitively at a local division 3 level. It should you some idea about where im at (well, roughly). The followings are what I have at the moment:


TimoBoll ZLF (82g)
Juic Hinoki Carbon III (82g)
(Note from my shop: This blade has very similar construction and feel/performance compared to the Butterfly Schlager Carbon, except that the blade is slightly thinner and is a little slower (OFF compared OFF+). It's fast blade and the outer hinoki layers give the blade a much softer feel than the most carbon blades.)
Old non-neo Hurricane 3 Provincial
T80
R7
TRF Rubber booster


Firstly forehand, I know that T80 probably goes rather well with the TB ZLF, however i dont wanna get into that until i tried the hurricane first (not to mention the cost...as we all know). I have used Neo hurricane3 before (both commercial and provincial) and they were good. However i was using it on a rather heavy (95g rosewood5...which contributed to me injury) blade, and this time as i come back, i wont be using it. In stead, Im thinking about using the non-neo old provincial H3 (which i bought recently from Hong Kong) on the two blades i got up there.

Can someone share their thoughts here with me? Should i be using the non-neo old provincial H3 on the TimoBollZLF, or the Juic Hinoki Carbon III blade? If necessary, I could use my TRF rubber booster to soften/boost up the rubber. I could even buy a better, long term, booster from my shop (effect last about 3 months). But either way, U have the idea.

I have heard some saying that Hurricane dont really work with fiber blades like ZLF/ALC/ZLC/etc etc....im just not sure

Then, for backhand, im probably using either R7 or T80. And I dont think there is much to it.

Please share your thoughts:D

Bests from Australia;)

roger
06-08-2014, 10:55 AM
Hi,

I'm also using H3 Prov. on my Viscaria.

The questions are:
1. What is you playing style, eg: near the table or half distance, loop or drive?
2. What is the hardness degree of your H3P; 39, 40 or 41?

You have to boost the rubber, the amount depend on the sponge hardness.
I would suggest you to get Haifu Seamoon or Falco Tempo Long Booster.

I have a very good combo at the moment: Viscaria (ALC) with H3 Prov. 39 boosted with Haifu Seamoon(2 layers) and T80 as BH rubber.

XariuzCruz
06-08-2014, 12:43 PM
Wise words for you: NEVER, NEVER, EVER put a hurricane on stiff blade.

agold
06-08-2014, 01:11 PM
Wise words for you: NEVER, NEVER, EVER put a hurricane on stiff blade.

Do you count Viscaria as too stiff? Also, boss ting might soften it up.

Der_Echte
06-08-2014, 01:54 PM
I got a friend in our Korea Foreign TTC who uses Korbel blade and H3 (old untuned) on FH and plays city Div 0. Yes, that means he is too good for the USATT 2100-2200 level Div 1 city aces.

Another of our KFTTC aces used to play city Div -1 (MINUS ONE) which means he was too good for the USATT 2250-2300 Div 0 city ringers. He for his first year or so in Korea used a Timo Boll Tri-Carbon with T05.

My point is do not worry overly what you are using because as you use it, you will know if it is right for you or not. Just slap the stuff on, go to the club and you will know soon enough.

Yup, it is sure fun to try out a lot of stuff, so go for that too if you can, preferable with other mates' bats or stuff you can get for free.

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 02:57 PM
they are either 39 or 40, will need to double check.
I loop but but all the time, but i m def. not a driver. i like some control over the table, especially when i can FH flick or BH flick.
So ZLF with H3 is fine u think? zlf and alc are close i suppose , but zlf is def. slower



Hi,

I'm also using H3 Prov. on my Viscaria.

The questions are:
1. What is you playing style, eg: near the table or half distance, loop or drive?
2. What is the hardness degree of your H3P; 39, 40 or 41?

You have to boost the rubber, the amount depend on the sponge hardness.
I would suggest you to get Haifu Seamoon or Falco Tempo Long Booster.

I have a very good combo at the moment: Viscaria (ALC) with H3 Prov. 39 boosted with Haifu Seamoon(2 layers) and T80 as BH rubber.

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 02:59 PM
My zlf is surely not a stiff blade. Tho, im not sure the hinoki carbon. All descriptions from shops say it is sofer than most carbon blade? ....does it mean it is a stiff blade anyway?

Wise words for you: NEVER, NEVER, EVER put a hurricane on stiff blade.

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 03:13 PM
what is boss ting? i probably been too up of date :P

Do you count Viscaria as too stiff? Also, boss ting might soften it up.

mahomedy13
06-08-2014, 03:45 PM
these might help:

www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/butterfly-timo-boll-zlf.html

agold
06-08-2014, 03:51 PM
what is boss ting? i probably been too up of date :P

Oops! Haha sorry I meant boosting :)

XariuzCruz
06-08-2014, 04:41 PM
For what I've knew, Hurricanes are BEST on 6.0mm or below all wood blade. Viscaria is one of the great carbon blade that can fit Hurricanes well. Commercial ones are really unsuitable for stiff blade because the sponge is hard.

roger
06-08-2014, 04:46 PM
they are either 39 or 40, will need to double check.
I loop but but all the time, but i m def. not a driver. i like some control over the table, especially when i can FH flick or BH flick.
So ZLF with H3 is fine u think? zlf and alc are close i suppose , but zlf is def. slower

Hi,
One still can play with H3 and carbon blades with the proper technique.

H3 is more for driving style not looping.
Means: you should have the chinese style (more brush and FORWARD movement with whole arm) rather than european style (upwards movement).

Also for DEF play, I wouldn't advising you using this rubber, since you need active movement everytime.

It's better to stay with butterfly Tenergy line or you can try DHS TG3 aka Skyline (NEO) with max. 39d, this rubber is more suitable for european style of play.

My friend, which has almost your playing style, has the same issue like you(he is using Bty LSW), and he can't use H3 even with heavily boosted H3 Nat.
It took him 1 month to realise this and then come back to Tenergy.

XariuzCruz
06-08-2014, 05:01 PM
Hi,
One still can play with H3 and carbon blades with the proper technique.

H3 is more for driving style not looping.
Means: you should have the chinese style (more brush and FORWARD movement with whole arm) rather than european style (upwards movement).

Also for DEF play, I wouldn't advising you using this rubber, since you need active movement everytime.

It's better to stay with butterfly Tenergy line or you can try DHS TG3 aka Skyline (NEO) with max. 39d, this rubber is more suitable for european style of play.

My friend, which has almost your playing style, has the same issue like you(he is using Bty LSW), and he can't use H3 even with heavily boosted H3 Nat.
It took him 1 month to realise this and then come back to Tenergy.
Well I need to disagree with you here. Hurricane 3 is really made for looping not driving. If you want driving go for Hurricane 2. It can be used on european style looping too. I don't think think he is a defensive player as he loop all the time, not chopping. For me he looks like an OFF player.

roger
06-08-2014, 05:12 PM
Well I need to disagree with you here. Hurricane 3 is really made for looping not driving. If you want driving go for Hurricane 2. It can be used on european style looping too. I don't think think he is a defensive player as he loop all the time, not chopping. For me he looks like an OFF player.

Hi,

please look at his statement here:

I loop but but all the time, but i m def. not a driver. i like some control over the table, especially when i can FH flick or BH flick.

You mention about H2: this is a low throw rubber. A flexi blade is here a must, look at WLQ. He used wood only blade. Almost the CNT shakehand player use H3.

Maybe you should check the looping and driving definition!

Here is a very good example, watch carefully!
Which one is looping and which one is driving?
http://www.alphatabletennis.com/clips/06-09.html

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 05:30 PM
sorry :) i meant def as in definitely
i dont play a defensive style
if anything im an arround/offensive
Hi,
One still can play with H3 and carbon blades with the proper technique.

H3 is more for driving style not looping.
Means: you should have the chinese style (more brush and FORWARD movement with whole arm) rather than european style (upwards movement).

Also for DEF play, I wouldn't advising you using this rubber, since you need active movement everytime.

It's better to stay with butterfly Tenergy line or you can try DHS TG3 aka Skyline (NEO) with max. 39d, this rubber is more suitable for european style of play.

My friend, which has almost your playing style, has the same issue like you(he is using Bty LSW), and he can't use H3 even with heavily boosted H3 Nat.
It took him 1 month to realise this and then come back to Tenergy.

roger
06-08-2014, 05:39 PM
sorry :) i meant def as in definitely
i dont play a defensive style
if anything im an arround/offensive

Sorry.

But my statement is still valid.

When you have european tehnique, I'd advise you to take another rubber.

Look for softer sponge.

Tenergy alternativ:
Tibhar has some good rubbers: Aurus for control play, and the Evolution series for more offensiv, but they are quite pricey.
Or XIOM Vega PRO.

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 06:07 PM
Im asian and i do have a asian style :) T80 on the forehand will be my last solution
I had used H3 in the past for a good long time....now just wondering how it would perform on different blades :)

Sorry.

But my statement is still valid.

When you have european tehnique, I'd advise you to take another rubber.

Look for softer sponge.

Tenergy alternativ:
Tibhar has some good rubbers: Aurus for control play, and the Evolution series for more offensiv, but they are quite pricey.
Or XIOM Vega PRO.

roger
06-08-2014, 06:29 PM
Im asian and i do have a asian style :) T80 on the forehand will be my last solution
I had used H3 in the past for a good long time....now just wondering how it would perform on different blades :)

OK, then what are you waiting for?

Just boost your H3, slap on your FH and start playing.:)

virtuososiu
06-08-2014, 06:33 PM
TB ZLF? Juic Hinoki caron? Boost? no boost? still thinking :)

OK, then what are you waiting for?

Just boost your H3, slap on your FH and start playing.:)

roger
06-08-2014, 06:40 PM
TB ZLF? Juic Hinoki caron? Boost? no boost? still thinking :)

I would say try and error. This is the best experiece one can get.

To understand the chinese rubber, it's better first to play w/o booster.

After break-in process, you can still make your decision for boosting it or not.

Der_Echte
06-08-2014, 08:13 PM
I also got untuned H3 on the famous 896 blade as a backup bat when I travel and do not want to risk busting my expensive setups.

I can do whatever using H3 on BH wing. Wouldn't slap it on W6 blade, that joker will sound like a cracked brick on that blade. :)

Black Eagle
02-25-2015, 11:44 PM
Hello there in fact i bought the hurricane 3 rubber red 39d and black 41d , its really perfect in spin and speed.. now my worries are weather i got the original one or just i got the commercial normal rubber please need ur help ,i mean how to know? is there any marks , numbers or signs printed on the sheet or even at the rubber it self please if any one ever used this rubber can tell me how to know , good day and all the best .

gman4911
02-26-2015, 05:36 AM
Commercial has all 4 corners cut off. Provincial has 2 corners cut off. National has no corners cut off. Black rubber, blue sponge is only available on the Provincial and National versions. Genuine H3 should have a sticker on the plastic film covering the rubber. The sticker has a scratch off surface which reveals a unique serial code which can be checked on DHS's website. The code verifier will tell you if you have a genuine product. If the code has been previously checked or does not exist, it will tell you that you might have a counterfeit product. That's the extent of my knowledge.