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iammaru
07-13-2014, 07:14 PM
Recently I've been trying to copy Ma Long's chop block with little success. Sometimes it works and most of the times it doesn't. Can you guys give me some advices about this shot? When I can do it? And how to do it properly?
I guess almost everyone know this shot but this is the shot I'm talking about (just in case...). Ma Long uses it very effectively.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTzhi0lKS0E

vvk1
07-13-2014, 09:23 PM
Ma Lin was even better at this type of shot - the look of bewilderment on the opponent's faces was priceless.

IMHO, Ma Long tends to make this shot when two conditions are true:

* the opponent makes a slow spinny, relatively shallow, topspin shot into ML's BH
* ML himself is out of position - because the topspin is not deep - to attack it properly

RONDOR
07-14-2014, 08:38 AM
Very good shot !

FlyingBall
07-17-2014, 05:30 PM
I want to learn the chop block too.

Mia
07-17-2014, 06:32 PM
The best! Like him.

michiy
07-17-2014, 07:29 PM
Ma Lin was even better at this type of shot - the look of bewilderment on the opponent's faces was priceless.

IMHO, Ma Long tends to make this shot when two conditions are true:

* the opponent makes a slow spinny, relatively shallow, topspin shot into ML's BH
* ML himself is out of position - because the topspin is not deep - to attack it properly

I agree with you vvk1.

The concept of the stroke follows the same logic behind looping a long/shallow push. The push comes with backspin, we have to brush it faster than the rotation on the ball to put it on the other side of the table. So the ball comes to you with backspin, and comes back to the opponent with topspin.

When chop-blocking the ball comes with topspin, and goes back with backspin. So in order to do this move consistently, its easier to do it with slow and shallow topspins, due to the short stroke of a chop-block (you would have to do it extremely fast with fast and heavy topspins). Check this video of the Kenta's block which follows the same structure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0G3twLthEE

Ma Long's block follows the same essence, but players tend to chop-block always more perpendicular to the spinning axis, since the rotation strength decays when closer to the poles of the balls.

This mini-article from Table tennis masters pictures what I'm trying to say:
http://www.tabletennismaster.com/profiles/blogs/service-receive-secrets-from-japan

The article shows about the chiquita backhand receive, but the concept can be transfered to the chop-block.

iammaru
07-17-2014, 08:22 PM
Ma Long's block follows the same essence, but players tend to chop-block always more perpendicular to the spinning axis, since the rotation strength decays when closer to the poles of the balls.

The article shows about the chiquita backhand receive, but the concept can be transfered to the chop-block.

I agree with you about this. In the video, Ma Long only chop block a right hander's FH (Zhang Jike, Ovtcharov, Fan Zhendong) or a left hander's BH (Timo Boll). Didn't notice this before. Maybe this is one of the reasons my chop block failed when I tried to do BH chop block against a left hander's FH.
But it seems Kenta's block doesn't follow the same spinning axis concept? He can block all spins with that same stroke, perhaps it's harder to do?

TTnerd
07-17-2014, 09:37 PM
This is an unique shot... for sure ML is the most creative chinese player...

John18
07-17-2014, 09:43 PM
This is an unique shot... for sure ML is the most creative chinese player...

What about Xu Xin ? :D

marici22
07-17-2014, 10:52 PM
Tha's a great shot I've always wandered how to do it properly

michiy
07-18-2014, 01:16 PM
I agree with you about this. In the video, Ma Long only chop block a right hander's FH (Zhang Jike, Ovtcharov, Fan Zhendong) or a left hander's BH (Timo Boll). Didn't notice this before. Maybe this is one of the reasons my chop block failed when I tried to do BH chop block against a left hander's FH.
But it seems Kenta's block doesn't follow the same spinning axis concept? He can block all spins with that same stroke, perhaps it's harder to do?

If you take a look at 0:55 you can notice the contact is made near to the pole, rather than the equator line of the ball. He also does it extremely fast, giving a lot of hard time even to the CNT.

In addition kenta's chop-block is one of a kind, and even professional players can't do it like him. Most times, Ma Long's chop-block goes way too high, and the opponent tends to smash it, sometimes they miss or score. When kenta chop-blocks, the opponent reaction is just to either lift the ball or push it back.

jasonxian24
07-20-2014, 07:08 PM
It also looks insanely awesome!

dio_hgw
07-20-2014, 10:16 PM
Ma Lin was even better at this type of shot - the look of bewilderment on the opponent's faces was priceless.

IMHO, Ma Long tends to make this shot when two conditions are true:

* the opponent makes a slow spinny, relatively shallow, topspin shot into ML's BH
* ML himself is out of position - because the topspin is not deep - to attack it properly

I agree, plus i think that in other cases he's trying to surprise the opponent with a rather unexpected shot.

titipmorne
07-21-2014, 11:08 AM
this is kind of unique shot.... ma long loves trying new things !! :D

YannouPing37
07-22-2014, 10:00 AM
Very good skill !

Samer
07-23-2014, 03:29 PM
Why can't I do that :(

michiy
07-24-2014, 03:13 PM
Don't forget this awesome block too!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umtu6CEP2GQ

TTHopeful
07-24-2014, 03:14 PM
When I try this shot, the ball goes flying! ;)

niklas199570
07-24-2014, 03:55 PM
Ma long is great

kari
07-24-2014, 09:01 PM
nice, i will try it tomorrow :)

Dan
07-25-2014, 12:44 AM
I could really do with learning this shot. I am going to practice it for a bit I think. I get caught out on my backhand side a fair bit, a chop block like Ma Long would do the trick! :)

Benduo
07-25-2014, 03:25 AM
you should search up the kong linghui chop block

roy
07-25-2014, 10:16 AM
wow thats amazing!!!

Musa
07-25-2014, 11:14 AM
Very Nice.

arnold1013
07-25-2014, 02:57 PM
i tried it and felt difficult(maybe cuz i did it in a wrong way)
however, it seems to be very useful to refuse your opponent :)

iammaru
07-25-2014, 09:05 PM
after practicing this shot for a while, it's starting getting me points. My chop block is not good as Ma Long, obviously, but the opponents were still surprised and most of the times, it was a point for me, either a direct point or a weak return. My normal block against slow loop is not strong but with this shot, I have a way to win points when attacked by slow loop.

ZJK Freak
08-05-2014, 10:49 AM
I love this shot but I don't know how to do it either

101010
12-16-2014, 11:02 AM
The Chopblock originates from the penhold style, Liu Guoliang used to do it a lot. Obviously you'll have to take the ball very early on the bounce and mustn't wait till it reaches its apex or starts dropping.

Tinykin
12-16-2014, 06:25 PM
The Chopblock originates from the penhold style, Liu Guoliang used to do it a lot. Obviously you'll have to take the ball very early on the bounce and mustn't wait till it reaches its apex or starts dropping.

The chopblock has been around since tennis was invented 300+ years ago. In other words, where there has been topspin, there has been chop blocks in various forms. They can be subtle like Waldner or outrageous like MaLong and so on.

Old School
12-16-2014, 08:03 PM
The chopblock is used with long pips allot but with inverted it's a bit trickier but it's the same stroke. You need to move your bat horizontally downwards very fast and ever so gently bruising the ball to create backspin. It's all in the timing and brushing of the ball.

Practise makes perfect. :)

TTHopeful
12-19-2014, 01:25 AM
Any tutorials on how to do this shot? It would help me greatly.

Michal_Z
12-20-2014, 11:57 AM
Check out this ;-)

Ma Lin practising chop block (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/content.php?555-Ma-Lin-practising-his-backhand-chop-block-in-the-WTTTC-2012)

MDanielCRO
12-20-2014, 12:17 PM
I can also do it, check 0:16 in this video :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rM77Y2qho

Yabllys474
12-22-2014, 12:45 AM
Great,i like this person!

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aerial
05-09-2015, 12:37 PM
This video might help, despite it being the reverse of what Ma Long does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJOgpmt8ulc