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ZED
08-07-2014, 08:40 AM
Ali has a T64 Listing for 10$???
It's too good to be true but i already ordered one.
Does anyone know anything more about this, if it's fake or not?

http://m.aliexpress.com/item/1638051337.html?tracelog=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 08:51 AM
most definitely a fake.

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 08:54 AM
there is a thread about this in ttd. Search 'fake tenergy revealed'.
Anyways,when it comes,let us know how it plays.

TurboZ
08-07-2014, 09:14 AM
There are "good" fake (red sponge) and "bad" fake (yellow sponge) tenergy. Hope you get at least the "good" one. They are quite bouncy but no spin or feel. You can forget about yellow ones and not waste your glue on it.

ZED
08-07-2014, 12:33 PM
there is a thread about this in ttd. Search 'fake tenergy revealed'.
Anyways,when it comes,let us know how it plays.

Will do. Will be interesting.

agold
08-07-2014, 01:04 PM
Yeah it's fake. Sorry. If you have a Tenergy in the US for under 50 check it with the forum. 10 USD there is no way you are going too get genuine from a place with private sellers like aliexpress. Sorry about that :(

You can get a fake that plays well though. Try it out when it comes and tell us how it plays. Good luck.

tt-cro
08-07-2014, 01:21 PM
And what about fake blades?
I saw Butterfly Primorac for 15 $ :D

agold
08-07-2014, 01:26 PM
And what about fake blades?
I saw Butterfly Primorac for 15 $ :D

STOP LOOKING!!! I'm just kidding but you're gonna drive yourself insane :). It's probably fake. If you want to make sure it's not a fake but from a trusted seller.

tt-cro
08-07-2014, 01:30 PM
STOP LOOKING!!! I'm just kidding but you're gonna drive yourself insane :). It's probably fake. If you want to make sure it's not a fake but from a trusted seller.

:D Yea,thats best option :D .I know they are fake but... ;)

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 02:39 PM
I saw a rolex for $10 too, you should buy that, its such a bargain

Some times I wonder why these sellers are so stupid, they could of made double the profit and still get tons of buyers, since they are selling "geniune" items.
IE why didn't the guy sell the T64 for $20..... or even $30 for that matter.
So silly

ZED
08-07-2014, 04:25 PM
I saw a rolex for $10 too, you should buy that, its such a bargain

Some times I wonder why these sellers are so stupid, they could of made double the profit and still get tons of buyers, since they are selling "geniune" items.
IE why didn't the guy sell the T64 for $20..... or even $30 for that matter.
So silly

To attract more buyers?

I know there's two graph charts that show how raising price lowers demand and lowering raises demand and how that translates into profit.

ZED
08-07-2014, 04:27 PM
Yeah it's fake. Sorry. If you have a Tenergy in the US for under 50 check it with the forum. 10 USD there is no way you are going too get genuine from a place with private sellers like aliexpress. Sorry about that :(

You can get a fake that plays well though. Try it out when it comes and tell us how it plays. Good luck.

I knew it was too good to be true :P

Anyhow, I guess i'll treat it like a whole different rubber.

I do use a genuine T 64 for forehand and backhand, so I'll let you all know how it compares.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 05:14 PM
To attract more buyers?

I know there's two graph charts that show how raising price lowers demand and lowering raises demand and how that translates into profit.

Well, since the cost is only around USD40~USD50 ex import, tax and other cost of sales, this seller could of sold for anything below the cost price and still make decent profit and have lots of business for the cheapest "Genuine Tenergy" in the world

Your graph chart isn't the case for Butterfly - they raise price, and sales/demand continue to increase lol

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 05:19 PM
its the other way round.
when people get to learn about fake products,theyll make sure they pay extra to get genuine.thats the concept butterfly uses.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 05:26 PM
its the other way round.
when people get to learn about fake products,theyll make sure they pay extra to get genuine.thats the concept butterfly uses.

I can't agree with your theory, but to twist it a bit:

Butterfly sets "Recommended Retail Price" in each region, I believe this action is illegal in most countries, but they don't really hold you to it, and the resellers does sell at this RRP.

In Butterfly's made regional catalogue, they also have RRP on there.
Butterfly also ask the sellers nicely not to "discount" they products publically, any discount below the table is fine etc.

Butterfly also has a very limited amount of sellers in the world (have already cut down a lot, and still going to), so this is the message to the public in terms of purchase geniune:
1) purhcase from authorised sellers
2) at the RRP

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 05:28 PM
I can't agree with your theory, but to twist it a bit:

Butterfly sets "Recommended Retail Price" in each region, I believe this action is illegal in most countries, but they don't really hold you to it, and the resellers does sell at this RRP.

In Butterfly's made regional catalogue, they also have RRP on there.
Butterfly also ask the sellers nicely not to "discount" they products publically, any discount below the table is fine etc.

Butterfly also has a very limited amount of sellers in the world (have already cut down a lot, and still going to), so this is the message to the public in terms of purchase geniune:
1) purhcase from authorised sellers
2) at the RRP

when you should stock butterfly,what was the RRP?

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 05:34 PM
when you should stock butterfly,what was the RRP?

Same as what it is now, 56.90 Euro or 80 USD for the European market.

I forgot to add one more thing,
3) don't allow seller to sell outside authorised area/country

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 05:41 PM
Same as what it is now, 56.90 Euro or 80 USD for the European market.

I forgot to add one more thing,
3) don't allow seller to sell outside authorised area/country

Why did you not become an official distributor for South Africa?Im sure you would have been busy with Butterfly sales.

I remember you stocking some products from them

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 05:57 PM
Why did you not become an official distributor for South Africa?Im sure you would have been busy with Butterfly sales.

I remember you stocking some products from them

I was official, until I decided not to distribute they products.
When I was stocking it, there was 3 other official parties stocking it.
SA market is not big enough for 4, in fact no where else in the world Butterfly had 4. In fact they all cutting down to 2 or 1.

Why I stopped:
One of the other one was selling Tenergy below cost - that time R500/USD50, now they are selling for R300/USD30
Those guys also get huge governemnt contracts (kit our Olympic teams etc) and the management also reportedly had ties to terriost groups in Africa.
Apparently I heard from the market that they also have history of selling fakes.
So I concluded that these guys don't play fair on the scale of profit/loss, so it is pointless for me to continue doing Butterfly.
As I need the profit (really little from Butterfly products) to fund sponsorships, and other forms of social responsiblities.
Butterfly couldn't do anything about it, so I stop stocking them.

In fact getting rid of Butterfly was my best decision so far.
With the weakening of ZAR, it made Butterfly product more unattractive and Xiom and Yasaka coming to the party with great specials for me to offer the SA market.

Butterfly is really overrated. Quality of product has gone down, while pricing has gone up.
For other countries who earn 3 times more than South Africans, they can afford to spend extra 20% to buy a Butterfly product. In the SA TT community - where majority are from below average income groups (and earn 3 folds less than Europe), Butterfly doesn't make any sense at all.

agold
08-07-2014, 06:04 PM
A lot of people are right here. I think I can help:
1. When a company raises the price of a product, the company will buy more supplies for a smaller amount. Therefore the supply will go up. The opposite happens when the price is lowered.
2. When a company raises the price of a product, fewer people want it, and so the demand goes down. It is the opposite when the price is lowered.


So, a company does not want to set the price too high, because then they will have a lot of supply left over because they have more supply and less demand. They also don't want to set the price too low because they will run out of supply because there is less supply and more demand. So they try to set it in the place where they have the exact supply (no more no less) as to meet demand. In the USA with butterfly it's 80 USD. In Japan it's 52 USD. That's it.

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 06:10 PM
I was official, until I decided not to distribute they products.
When I was stocking it, there was 3 other official parties stocking it.
SA market is not big enough for 4, in fact no where else in the world Butterfly had 4. In fact they all cutting down to 2 or 1.

Why I stopped:
One of the other one was selling Tenergy below cost - that time R500/USD50, now they are selling for R300/USD30
Those guys also get huge governemnt contracts (kit our Olympic teams etc) and the management also reportedly had ties to terriost groups in Africa.
Apparently I heard from the market that they also have history of selling fakes.
So I concluded that these guys don't play fair on the scale of profit/loss, so it is pointless for me to continue doing Butterfly.
As I need the profit (really little from Butterfly products) to fund sponsorships, and other forms of social responsiblities.
Butterfly couldn't do anything about it, so I stop stocking them.

In fact getting rid of Butterfly was my best decision so far.
With the weakening of ZAR, it made Butterfly product more unattractive and Xiom and Yasaka coming to the party with great specials for me to offer the SA market.

Butterfly is really overrated. Quality of product has gone down, while pricing has gone up.
For other countries who earn 3 times more than South Africans, they can afford to spend extra 20% to buy a Butterfly product. In the SA TT community - where majority are from below average income groups (and earn 3 folds less than Europe), Butterfly doesn't make any sense at all.

Im sorry to ask you this as you are a table tennis equipment seller,

but can you tell me who the official distributors are ATM?

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 06:23 PM
Im sorry to ask you this as you are a table tennis equipment seller,

but can you tell me who the official distributors are ATM?

You can ask Butterfly this question :)
The other 3 does not have websites, and only do face to fact or telephonic deals

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 06:24 PM
A lot of people are right here. I think I can help:
1. When a company raises the price of a product, the company will buy more supplies for a smaller amount. Therefore the supply will go up. The opposite happens when the price is lowered.
2. When a company raises the price of a product, fewer people want it, and so the demand goes down. It is the opposite when the price is lowered.


So, a company does not want to set the price too high, because then they will have a lot of supply left over because they have more supply and less demand. They also don't want to set the price too low because they will run out of supply because there is less supply and more demand. So they try to set it in the place where they have the exact supply (no more no less) as to meet demand. In the USA with butterfly it's 80 USD. In Japan it's 52 USD. That's it.

Lol, with all due respect, I think you are too young to understand business or rather international trade
Rather go and spend some time training and less time on useless threads like this.

mahomedy13
08-07-2014, 06:25 PM
You can ask Butterfly this question :)
The other 3 does not have websites, and only do face to fact or telephonic deals

its nowhere on butterflys website:(

Tony's Table Tennis
08-07-2014, 06:29 PM
its nowhere on butterflys website:(

Its your choice to shop with them, so good luck :)

Der_Echte
08-07-2014, 09:11 PM
Yeah it's fake. Sorry. If you have a Tenergy in the US for under 50 check it with the forum. 10 USD there is no way you are going too get genuine from a place with private sellers like aliexpress. Sorry about that :(

You can get a fake that plays well though. Try it out when it comes and tell us how it plays. Good luck.

I bet lunch that XP 2008 SP plays better than the fakes.

Any takers ??

ZED
08-28-2014, 01:35 AM
Okay!

I've received the T64.
6335

As you can see, the hologram on the wrapping is missing.
The barcode on the back is also missing.

Will be posting a review soon


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agold
08-28-2014, 01:42 AM
Okay!

I've received the T64.
6335

As you can see, the hologram on the wrapping is missing.
The barcode on the back is also missing.

Will be posting a review soon


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Thanks! If you look at the wrapping reflecting against light does it say butterfly on it?

ZED
08-28-2014, 01:44 AM
Thanks! If you look at the wrapping reflecting against light does it say butterfly on it?

That was what i meant when i said the hologram on the wrapping was missing.

I don't have exact dimensions, but the uncut square rubber sheet seems smaller in width than a normal tenergy; if you look closely, not much of the rubber shows through the cut in the cover paper.


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agold
08-28-2014, 01:44 AM
That was what i meant when i said the hologram on the wrapping was missing.

I don't have exact dimensions, but the uncut square rubber sheet seems smaller in width than a normal tenergy; if you look closely, not much of the rubber shows through the cut in the cover paper.


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Oh sorry haha

ZED
08-28-2014, 01:46 AM
Oh sorry haha

It's fine :)

One other guy at my club has it, says it plays somewhat like sriver. But his chops are really powerful with it. ( he is offensive chopper).

People always ask him how he chops so well with T64.


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ZED
08-29-2014, 12:46 AM
Glued it!

The blade is a ST STIGA Infinity VPS V.
Feels a little heavier than tenergy, i don't have a gram measure.
Smells like chinese rubber.
On a basic bounce test it doesn't seem too bad...

6336
Film
6337
Glued
6338
Cut

As you can see, the rubber has a film (like 729), unlike the real tenergy 64.



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Der_Echte
08-29-2014, 02:03 AM
And what about fake blades?
I saw Butterfly Primorac for 15 $ :D

The Galaxy 896s I have played with will perform just as well as any BTY OFF- bat under $100 USD.

tt-cro
08-29-2014, 11:34 AM
The Galaxy 896s I have played with will perform just as well as any BTY OFF- bat under $100 USD.

I know that.I am not really butterfly fan becouse i think that rubbers and blades are way overrated.I like brands like dhs,frendship or yinhe/galaxy.
I have galaxy n-9 blade :D

rafayoga
08-29-2014, 04:52 PM
Sorry guys but is fake / false right???

tt-cro
08-29-2014, 07:40 PM
Sorry guys but is fake / false right???
Yes,it is :D

ZED
08-29-2014, 11:39 PM
I hit with it for about an hour.

Since i glued it to quite a good blade, it may be difficult to distinguish blade from rubber.

As expected, the fake Tenergy 64 requires a chinese style loop, which is executed with a straight arm and forward, brushing motion.

Spin is quite strong, if executed with proper technique.

Control is average.

The main point about this is the gears.

It generally has about 3 levels of power, each being low, normal, and very fast.

The low gear is only good for chopping and touch play as it is quite spinny.

Normal gear is below average in all respects.

As for the top gear, it felt like the blade was really doing the work. Ball went fast, low, and spinny, when used with chinese loop.

The chopping was generated lots of spin and landed close to the net.

TO SUMMARIZE: It's a typical chinese rubber. Sponge has the softness of tenergy but not a real tensor effect.

Think of a DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, but with less gears, the gear range shifted faster, less tackiness, and less spin.

For 18$, i would get Hurricane 3 NEO, but this would be next on my list.

If any questions, let me know.

More thoughts coming soon.


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