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TTHopeful
10-26-2014, 11:02 PM
I saw some comments in the live streaming chat during the final of the World Cup today with users asking what blades Zhang Jike and Ma Long use. Here is a snapshot from the final.

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Old School
10-27-2014, 11:14 AM
Zhan Jike's = Viscaria
Ma Long = DHS Hurricane Long 5

If I remember correctly.

htfu
10-27-2014, 12:20 PM
ma long is not using the commercial release of the hurricane log 5, he uses a custom blade (iirc the w997 is the current one), the hurricane long 5 is based on this blade. although exactly what he uses is only really known to him and the people at dhs that make the custom blades for the cnt team members.

bachikho
10-27-2014, 01:46 PM
it looks like ZJK's blade is not viscaria (not see any alc layer), no?

sebas-aguirre
10-27-2014, 02:08 PM
ma long is not using the commercial release of the hurricane log 5, he uses a custom blade (iirc the w997 is the current one), the hurricane long 5 is based on this blade. although exactly what he uses is only really known to him and the people at dhs that make the custom blades for the cnt team members.

it's kind of the same situation for both.
I'm pretty sure zjk is not using the viscaria you can buy in a shop.
so in a way both use custom blades.
the thing with ma long is that dhs makes profit from all this situation by putting out for sale their "national" blades (w968, etc) for crazy prices.

Butt Stallion
10-27-2014, 02:37 PM
does anybody know which backhand rubber ZJK uses? T64 or T05fx??

crbn
10-27-2014, 02:48 PM
does anybody know which backhand rubber ZJK uses? T64 or T05fx??

I'm pretty sure he's not using any FX Tenergy.

htfu
10-27-2014, 03:22 PM
if there is a market for special equipment the manufacturers will try to find some way of cashing in on it ... i don't see it as a problem. if people want to spend that much on a blade by all means go ahead, same goes for the national or pro versions of various rubbers. or you could just go out and buy a butterfly zjk szlc or nittaku resoud and know that you are one of the few to own such an expensive blade ...

Baal
10-27-2014, 03:34 PM
It looks exactly like my Viscaria from the same angle.

If he was using some specially made super-duper secret version, wouldn't he just use one of the blades that has his name on it?

Chances are they are Viscarias more or less like others except that they send him a bunch of them at exactly the right weight and he picks the ones he likes the best. I have about 6 of them. 2 are much better than the others and I had to buy and sell several to find those two.

mahomedy13
10-27-2014, 03:42 PM
it's kind of the same situation for both.
I'm pretty sure zjk is not using the viscaria you can buy in a shop.
so in a way both use custom blades.
the thing with ma long is that dhs makes profit from all this situation by putting out for sale their "national" blades (w968, etc) for crazy prices.

Butterfly does the same.they advertise a zjk blade with t64 rubbers with his name on it for 5000 dollars.

sebas-aguirre
10-27-2014, 03:51 PM
what I meant is probably the difference between your viscaria and the viscaria of zjk is the same as the difference between your w968 and the w968 of ma long.
or even between your hurricane long v and the w968 of ma long.

actually it's quite rude that dhs makes all this move with "national" blades.
like the hurricane long v wasn't expensive enough (150 USD)..... you need yet another version (190 USD) to actually get good material?
never mind dhs, I'll go for viscaria, best materials for 130 USD.

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cakezxc280
10-27-2014, 11:33 PM
what I meant is probably the difference between your viscaria and the viscaria of zjk is the same as the difference between your w968 and the w968 of ma long.
or even between your hurricane long v and the w968 of ma long.

actually it's quite rude that dhs makes all this move with "national" blades.
like the hurricane long v wasn't expensive enough (150 USD)..... you need yet another version (190 USD) to actually get good material?
never mind dhs, I'll go for viscaria, best materials for 130 USD.

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6597&stc=1

I hope youre not naive enough to think that you can get the really good Viscarias from Oceania/SEA stocks.... at least not for 130 USD....
Its the same shit with butterfly, except they dont cherry pick them out for you (actually they do, those are saved for japanese stocks) so you must be very lucky to get a decent Vis from a limited number of stocks that you can reach. At least with DHS its guarenteed you can get them since the good ones are coming from different sources as the normal ones.

Amayzde
10-28-2014, 08:21 AM
does anybody know which backhand rubber ZJK uses? T64 or T05fx??

He was using the 05-FX at the world championships 2013 in Paris. Before that he was using tenergy 64 and now he uses tenergy 64 aswell

TT4Life
10-28-2014, 08:44 AM
U can get custom Viscaria your choice and weight about 400 to 500 US. Ml custom blade w997, Rubbers are National Hurricane 3 blue sponge tuned by DHS and Energy 64 pro by Butterfly. Same rubbers with ZJK

htfu
10-28-2014, 10:40 AM
ma long uses tg3 neo not hurricane 3 neo

sebas-aguirre
10-28-2014, 01:35 PM
I hope youre not naive enough to think that you can get the really good Viscarias from Oceania/SEA stocks.... at least not for 130 USD....
Its the same shit with butterfly, except they dont cherry pick them out for you (actually they do, those are saved for japanese stocks) so you must be very lucky to get a decent Vis from a limited number of stocks that you can reach. At least with DHS its guarenteed you can get them since the good ones are coming from different sources as the normal ones.

I don't think an amateur player needs the blade of ma long or zhang jike in order to get to their fullest potential.
they could do that with a 20 bucks 5 ply.

the target audience of these national blades and rubbers is more like grown ups with little time to train and a lot of money to spend.
what you need to become super good is actually the contrary of that: being a kid with a lot of time to train and some athletic talent.
money is not that important.

arnold1013
10-29-2014, 02:51 PM
it's kind of the same situation for both.
I'm pretty sure zjk is not using the viscaria you can buy in a shop.
so in a way both use custom blades.
the thing with ma long is that dhs makes profit from all this situation by putting out for sale their "national" blades (w968, etc) for crazy prices.
Nope, i think ZJK is using the commercial release.
In Baidu forum, there is a post talking about this, that ZJK said that he uses common version Viscaria.

mahomedy13
10-29-2014, 02:54 PM
Nope, i think ZJK is using the commercial release.
In Baidu forum, there is a post talking about this, that ZJK said that he uses common version Viscaria.

Do you seriously believe that?

Tony's Table Tennis
10-29-2014, 03:01 PM
Do you seriously believe that?

Hehehe, they even said that FZD is using stiga blade + stiga rubber, meanwhile I can't find any stiga on him
His shoe, socks, short, shirt, blade, rubbers, bat cover, carry bag - none of them are stiga
Maybe he is weaing stiga underwear :p

ZJK using commerical blade?
Yeah, i'm sure he is, just the ones before they can packaged. I'm sure special QA guys goes and get the "best" blades for him and we are talking a huge patch for him to choose.

Also we need to note Cakezxc mentioned in the top, JTTA approved Butterfly Blades (or just normal blades in general) are much better quality than say your blades from Europe or other parts of the world.
All are commericial, but then why it feels different in my hand??

Baal
10-29-2014, 03:10 PM
Yes. A good sample of a commercial Viscaria is an almost perfect blade in every way. If they send him a bunch of them in the weight he likes, he will find one or two perfect blades. There is a reason he doesn't play with any of the new ZJK blades. He likes Viscaria better. If there was something secret about his blade, well they would be selling it as a ZJK blade.

sebas-aguirre
10-29-2014, 05:20 PM
the ma long blade is the same thing, it's probably just a hurricane long v with different handle and name.

htfu
10-29-2014, 05:49 PM
if you look closely at the handle of ma long's blade you will see the w997 + manufacturing date serial ... don' think that is there on the commerical hl5 (can't find any images of the hl5 that would show that part of the handle). here are some images :

w997 : http://ttnpp.com/store/916-thickbox_default/dhs-w997-hurricane-long-v-5-national-long-v-handle.jpg
w968 : http://ttnpp.com/store/909-thickbox_default/dhs-w968-hurricane-long-v-5-national.jpg

and finally ma long's actual blade :

http://saletabletennis.com/product/ma-long-dhs-w997-special-national/#

... anyone with an hl5 that could post a picture of the handle?

TT4Life
10-29-2014, 07:29 PM
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt69/lengmianlung/Mobile%20Uploads/6CAB7248-CC58-4F93-984C-BF1685BE8A2D_zps0fgyebsa.jpg

this is ML5,

sebas-aguirre
10-29-2014, 07:29 PM
the blade of ma long is definitely not a hurricane long v.
what I mean is that these national blades are probably 95% the same as hurricane long v.
they only made this move to sell more blades and at a higher price.

butterfly could do the same, they could come out with a viscaria chinese team edition or a v666 specially produced for the chinese national team and charge it much higher.
knowing the typical ej, they would definitely be a huge success.

gjcbento
10-29-2014, 09:21 PM
it looks like ZJK's blade is not viscaria (not see any alc layer), no?
It is viscaria, and the alc layer is there it is very hard to see due to the edging tape and to the sweat absorved by the handle of the blade.

htfu
10-29-2014, 11:33 PM
the blade of ma long is definitely not a hurricane long v.
what I mean is that these national blades are probably 95% the same as hurricane long v.
they only made this move to sell more blades and at a higher price.

butterfly could do the same, they could come out with a viscaria chinese team edition or a v666 specially produced for the chinese national team and charge it much higher.
knowing the typical ej, they would definitely be a huge success.

certainly that is a possibility, i would suggest that we ask the lucky ones that have played with the hl5/w997/w968 to comment on the differences/similarities. one thing that i did notice about the w968 was that it was listed on various sites at least 6 grams heavier than the w997.

irc giangt did a bit of a review, not sure if there was any in depth comparison ... will have to re-check the thread.

sebas-aguirre
10-30-2014, 12:54 AM
certainly that is a possibility, i would suggest that we ask the lucky ones that have played with the hl5/w997/w968 to comment on the differences/similarities. one thing that i did notice about the w968 was that it was listed on various sites at least 6 grams heavier than the w997.

irc giangt did a bit of a review, not sure if there was any in depth comparison ... will have to re-check the thread.

knowing ej's I'm sure we will be reading about the huge differences between these blades :D

htfu
10-30-2014, 10:17 AM
agreed, it is probably just a case of the blades being more focused at a particular player's preferences ... i highly doubt that the differences are such that it is a totally different blade to the commercially available ones.

that being said i'd still love to play with such a setup and i'm sure there are not many of us that could honestly say that we would not ;)

bachikho
10-30-2014, 10:26 AM
It is viscaria, and the alc layer is there it is very hard to see due to the edging tape and to the sweat absorved by the handle of the blade.
how can you be sure like that???

Amayzde
10-30-2014, 04:58 PM
Zhang Jike is using a Viscaria but the one he is using is a custom one specially made for him.

gjcbento
10-30-2014, 09:14 PM
how can you be sure like that???
Because I have seen it live!

cakezxc280
10-31-2014, 12:30 PM
I don't think an amateur player needs the blade of ma long or zhang jike in order to get to their fullest potential.
they could do that with a 20 bucks 5 ply.

the target audience of these national blades and rubbers is more like grown ups with little time to train and a lot of money to spend.
what you need to become super good is actually the contrary of that: being a kid with a lot of time to train and some athletic talent.
money is not that important.

I can only partially agree to the latter statement, since i am the "kid with tons of time to train"
But a decent blade will definitely give you a very instantaneous boost to your game. a 20 bucks 5 ply will not have enough power away from the table and definitely cant carry out certain techniques in the current meta as well as some of the more recent/blades you see pros use. Back hand flick/mini loop for instance, I can carry it out at a pretty high success rate with a vis/CCA Limited/Boll ZLF/Infi VPS, but i couldnt do it as well with an Avalox P777 or the good ol' Donic PPP.

Also, for the case of viscarias, their quality varies quite heavily and will make pretty noticeable difference in you game. I have tried this blade of my friend's who was in Singapore, SEA Commercial stock. No fish-scale patter on it at all. The blade felt hollow and the ball drops when I try to go mid table to counter loop, and when I tried my chinese teammate's blade he got from Japan, cherry picked by himself out of 50 samples, with the most consistent and small fish scale pattern on the surface i have ever seen. With the same rubber set-up (National Oragne Sponge H3+T80-FX XO coded) as my own viscaria (cherry picked out of 5 TW stock), his simply feels more solid and when the ball hits through the sponge to the blade, the power level of the mid table loop is just mind blowing even for a viscaria.

Also, I didnt realise we were talking about how equipments maximise the potential of an amateur player. I thought we were talking about how you stated Viscarias have the best material for 130 while the Hurricane Long requires you to pay a premium to get the best composition, and somehow that makes DHS an "evil company" when compared to BTY lol

sebas-aguirre
10-31-2014, 02:38 PM
I can only partially agree to the latter statement, since i am the "kid with tons of time to train"
But a decent blade will definitely give you a very instantaneous boost to your game. a 20 bucks 5 ply will not have enough power away from the table and definitely cant carry out certain techniques in the current meta as well as some of the more recent/blades you see pros use. Back hand flick/mini loop for instance, I can carry it out at a pretty high success rate with a vis/CCA Limited/Boll ZLF/Infi VPS, but i couldnt do it as well with an Avalox P777 or the good ol' Donic PPP.

Also, for the case of viscarias, their quality varies quite heavily and will make pretty noticeable difference in you game. I have tried this blade of my friend's who was in Singapore, SEA Commercial stock. No fish-scale patter on it at all. The blade felt hollow and the ball drops when I try to go mid table to counter loop, and when I tried my chinese teammate's blade he got from Japan, cherry picked by himself out of 50 samples, with the most consistent and small fish scale pattern on the surface i have ever seen. With the same rubber set-up (National Oragne Sponge H3+T80-FX XO coded) as my own viscaria (cherry picked out of 5 TW stock), his simply feels more solid and when the ball hits through the sponge to the blade, the power level of the mid table loop is just mind blowing even for a viscaria.

Also, I didnt realise we were talking about how equipments maximise the potential of an amateur player. I thought we were talking about how you stated Viscarias have the best material for 130 while the Hurricane Long requires you to pay a premium to get the best composition, and somehow that makes DHS an "evil company" when compared to BTY lol

well the fact that butterfly has only one viscaria and it costs 130 is good because you can expect to get the best stuff they can offer at 130.
dhs to start sells hurricane long v at 150.
hurricane long v does not have a different technology than innerforce alc from butterfly and the latter one costs 135.
then dhs goes and says "the hurricane long v we sell is not the best stuff, if you want the best stuff you need to pay 190 for a national blade".

personally I use a zhang jike alc (the new one with black handle), weight at this point after use and all must be around 95g.
I bought this from a korean shop, they get pretty good stuff.
I can see a bit of a difference with the 84g viscaria I bought from hong kong, but really thinking that this will change your game in any way is self delusion.

I know guys who use butterfly alc, mizutani, tenergy, etc and they get beaten by guys with a basic donic 5 ply and two bluefires.
why?
simply the guys with donic play better (that's probably the reason they got a donic sponsorship and use their stuff).
and this is at pretty high level, not beginners.

Rajah*
10-31-2014, 02:57 PM
Skills / mental strength willingness to win 85%
Equipment 10%
Timeout 5% - lol
A total of 100%

During an actual match play performance reduces around 10-15% more due to errors etc etc... so again you have to train more and more ( so skills really matter)

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Pooh1256
01-18-2015, 11:21 PM
I agree with you Rajah*

Baal
01-19-2015, 02:40 AM
I don't claim to know what he uses, but my Viscaria looks exactly like that from that angle.

Baal
01-19-2015, 02:44 AM
Zhang Jike is using a Viscaria but the one he is using is a custom one specially made for him.

It wouldn't surprise me. I once had Butterfly make one especially for me, it just took money (about $300 in 2008, I had them use a different handle, and sadly, I ended up not liking the blade, a very expensive mistake). In his case, it may be that he just specifies a weight range, and they send him about 20 and he picks a few that he likes.