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amekun
01-22-2015, 01:29 PM
What brand of polyball have you guys encountered that almost plays like a celluloid ball?

and a followup question:
what type of rubber/blade combination goes best with it?

ive been using double fish
and the feel is a bit too mush for me when i use:
T88-1 FH
T80FX BH

on a custom wood blade with a soft feel (Anigre-soft carbon- Walnut - balsa - walnut - SC - Anigre)

Tom
01-22-2015, 01:58 PM
Hi Amekun, the poly ball closest to the old celluloid are the seamless ones, I have tried a Chinese one and also stag, those are the best!

amekun
01-22-2015, 02:51 PM
Hi Amekun, the poly ball closest to the old celluloid are the seamless ones, I have tried a Chinese one and also stag, those are the best!

a verified pro player replied to my post, im happy :D

what type of chinese brand have you tried(polyball)?

Tom
01-22-2015, 03:24 PM
No problem :) The chinese balls I have tried are called Xushaofa, they were very good and also seamless. They are very similar to the new Stag poly balls.

xVill
01-22-2015, 03:38 PM
I have a pack of poly Xushaofa balls, very good quality only had one crack on me after 3 hours of strenuous multi ball drills and games

fais
01-22-2015, 03:58 PM
People at my club are playing with the nittaku *** premium sha 40+. I have the nittaku *** 40+ (not the premium) that is still better than most low quality *** balls (including the stiga *** readily available.) Before the switch to the nittaku premium polyball, the people at my club felt the nittaku premium *** celluloid was arguably the best. I do not have much experience with the premium polys from nittaku. Has anyone played with these?

fz29888
01-22-2015, 04:07 PM
I've tried 1 star DHS 40+ poly balls. They are good! We didn't break a single one for several 2-hour practices. And I don't really tell a difference from the old celluloid balls. Maybe my level isn't so high to tell the difference. :cool:

UpSideDownCarl
01-23-2015, 04:39 AM
To me the Nittaku Premium 40+ plays better than everything else. I don't know if it is very durable but the one match I played with one, it did not break and almost every match I play the other seamed balls seem to break somewhere in the match.

I think the seamless balls feel almost as good as the Nittaku Premium balls but not quite as good. But I am pretty sure that the seamless balls last longer than ALL of the seamed balls. So the seamless are definitely the best combination of play quality and durability by far. I am pretty confident that the seamless balls are much much more durable than the Nittaku Premium.

I do believe that all the 3 star seamless balls, regardless of the brand listed on the ball, were actually made by Xushaofa. So, whichever brand of seamless ball (Xushaofa, Stag, Yinhe, Nexy) they should all play pretty much the same. So if one of those is less expensive than the others for a 3 star seamless poly ball, that is the one I would want to use.


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huri
01-23-2015, 09:50 AM
upsidedowncarl +100 if possible :) :D

NextLevel
01-23-2015, 11:19 AM
I've used all the balls for quite a few months and UpSideDownCarl's experience is mine as well. We differ on whether the NP40+ plays better than the XSF ball, but that is neither here nor there. I prefer the bounce height of the XSF.

Tony's Table Tennis
01-23-2015, 07:46 PM
Stag balls (seamlesss) is also made by XSF
Just like the Yinhe ones that is brilliant (of the ones I used), which is also by XSF

Imo, stay away form seamballs until they can make it better.
Seamless is currently more closer to cellu and not so easily to break compared to seamed

UpSideDownCarl
01-24-2015, 02:05 AM
I've used all the balls for quite a few months and UpSideDownCarl's experience is mine as well. We differ on whether the NP40+ plays better than the XSF ball, but that is neither here nor there. I prefer the bounce height of the XSF.

Well, I liked the Nittaku Premium 40+ better based on only one match. To me it felt better. But I would not buy them. And only one match is not enough to really tell.

I think what Tony says about the durability of all the seamed balls is 100% true. Until they figure out how to make the seamed balls so that they don't break anywhere near as easily or give up and just make seamless ones, there is no point. In the past few months, if I played a match with a seamed ball, it broke somewhere in the match. That happened in every match except for 4 or 5 matches. That is terrible. They break so easily it is a joke. Whereas the seamless balls play decently and are much more durable.

But since the question was, which Poly ball plays the closest to the Celluloid ball, to me the Nittaku felt the closest to the celluloid ball and it also, to me, based on only one match, felt the best. But not by much.

The Nittaku Sha, that one is not really that good.

berryganzo
01-28-2015, 07:16 AM
butterfly polyball.so you have to change your equipment with a hard combination.

Sir Loops-a-lot
01-29-2015, 03:24 AM
I've found the Japanese Nittaku *** Premium to be very close to celluloid. I've played a fair amount with them and haven't had one break on me yet.

amekun
01-29-2015, 12:45 PM
butterfly polyball.so you have to change your equipment with a hard combination.

yeah i agree, im thinking about going back to primorac carbon @[email protected]
i hope h3nP works well with the ball :((

JHB
01-29-2015, 04:20 PM
Those of us in the UK might like to note that Bribar are offering the Xushaofa balls for sale as of today, and that Tees Sport have been offering the Stag balls for about a month. The Butterfly 40+ balls (seamed) are now also available from Tees, as of yesterday I believe. As these latter are made in China they could in theory be as naff as the Tibhar and Joola offerings, however I have read unexpectedly good reports on other sites from people who managed to get hold of some pre-production samples so I'd be interested to hear some opinions here once a few of us have acquired some of Butterfly's production balls.

Still no news on Nittaku Premium 40+ in the UK of course. Or anywhere much else for that matter !

Sir Loops-a-lot
01-31-2015, 12:12 AM
What I've found with other brands (e.g. Chinese Nittaku SHA 40+ and the 3* DHS) isn't so much that they're bad per se, but that they're *really*inconsistent. I'll get about 20-30% of them that are actually pretty round. The others are wobbly like wiffle balls and take a bounce that's like a random number generator.

The Japanese Nittaku gave me renewed hope that the game wouldn't be ruined. I played a tournament with them last week, and they're so good that I almost like them more than the celluloid ball. Not as spinny, but very predictable bounce and trajectory. They're much more lively than other 40+ balls too. I also noticed that they seem to be made from a material entirely different from other 40+ balls on the market. Hopefully the technology will improve.

NextLevel
01-31-2015, 04:50 PM
What I've found with other brands (e.g. Chinese Nittaku SHA 40+ and the 3* DHS) isn't so much that they're bad per se, but that they're *really*inconsistent. I'll get about 20-30% of them that are actually pretty round. The others are wobbly like wiffle balls and take a bounce that's like a random number generator.

The Japanese Nittaku gave me renewed hope that the game wouldn't be ruined. I played a tournament with them last week, and they're so good that I almost like them more than the celluloid ball. Not as spinny, but very predictable bounce and trajectory. They're much more lively than other 40+ balls too. I also noticed that they seem to be made from a material entirely different from other 40+ balls on the market. Hopefully the technology will improve.

Part of the problem is that the poor durability of the balls is not just about the rate at which they crack. They also start to wobble if hit hard enough. That for me is the biggest reason why the Chinese seamed balls (DHS, DFish and their many clones like Joola, TSP) need to just be fixed or eradicated.

IF you like the Nittaku Japan 40+, try the seamless ball as well. It bounces a bit higher and as consistently and is much cheaper. Some people (like myself) prefer it to the celluloid ball, but even if you don't, it is better than the seamed Chinese balls by many miles and FAR more durable (probably the most durable TT ball ever).

mahomedy13
01-31-2015, 08:32 PM
i have the opportunity to test the nexy 40+ poly ball,as nexy sent it to me.i have not played with it,but have compared it with a cell ball.
It is seamless,round.bouncing compared to a cell ball resulted in the poly ball bouncing higher and more bounces before coming to rest.
After i play with it,i will update.

agold
02-01-2015, 12:25 PM
i have the opportunity to test the nexy 40+ poly ball,as nexy sent it to me.i have not played with it,but have compared it with a cell ball.
It is seamless,round.bouncing compared to a cell ball resulted in the poly ball bouncing higher and more bounces before coming to rest.
After i play with it,i will update.

I believe it will play like the XSF because it is made in the same factory. I plan to order some myself

TTournaments
02-01-2015, 12:42 PM
I preferred the nittaku premium 40+ ones. They are very good. The DHS are magnificient too. I didn't like the seamless ones because you could basically smash every Ball

Baal
02-02-2015, 12:45 AM
Nittaku Japan 40+ and the ITTF approved seamless balls XSF, Nexy, Yinhe, Stag). Avoid ALL chinese made balls with seams, including Butterfly and Nittaku SHA.

tt89player
02-03-2015, 01:30 AM
Nittaku Japan 40+ and the ITTF approved seamless balls XSF, Nexy, Yinhe, Stag). Avoid ALL chinese made balls with seams, including Butterfly and Nittaku SHA.

At the current state I agree. The seamless balls have different attributes than the celluloid balls, but the durability is good. All others with seam except the Nittaku Japan 40+ are a waste of money. But on the other hand they are the most expensive balls...

3Star
02-04-2015, 08:53 AM
butterfly polyball.so you have to change your equipment with a hard combination.

You also need to change ball to often because it breaks so easily. I thought that butterfly would made really high quality balls but sadly I think I was wrong, the balls I have played with have been broken after just a few practices.

Outerveneer
02-04-2015, 11:04 PM
I have mostly played with Stigas which I don't think is so far from the Celluoid ball.