Really? Who are you to say that?
I think almost all of your anger towards me comes from your inbaility to appraoch the spreadsheet I posted earlier with an openmind
http://dittf.atwebpages.com/sp/s7.htm
But it is OK. I understand.
Really? Who are you to say that?
I think almost all of your anger towards me comes from your inbaility to appraoch the spreadsheet I posted earlier with an openmind
http://dittf.atwebpages.com/sp/s7.htm
But it is OK. I understand.
Same shit, different day.Also keep in mind that there are a whole bunch of players who correctly do want to use long pips on weakside but are so terrified of social rejection, humiliation & ridicule that they resort to short pips on weakside. So, in this context short pips is essentially a social rubber and not a functional rubber in the hands of a low-level amateur, very similar to how antispin like rubbers like Tenergy are social rubbers & just status symbols in the hands of low level amateurs.
I would certainly be willing to approach the spreadsheet with an open mind...but to paraphraser Carl Sagan, I'm not going to have such an open mind that my brain falls out! So, in order to give this spreadsheet proper consideration, can you show how you have objectively arrived at the ratings contained in the spreadsheet? Can you give us some insight into the sorts of experiments that were conducted to actually test rubber types and objectively measure them against the desired parameters? How many participants were involved in the experiments, what was their playing level etc. I presume you would only test a particular rubber type with someone that was competent to use them (no point in asking a two-winged looper to test a long pimple as clearly they're not going to be able to do the rubber justice). And on that note, I notice that the spreadsheet only talks very generically about the rubber types...but as we all know there are quite a lot of variations even within a specific category type...so which specific "make and model" of rubbers did you test in each category? You should definitely state this on your spreadsheet to define the scope of your undertakings.
As things stand at the moment, your spreadsheet proposes a rating system and then makes some comments/remarks....but we have no way of assessing the validity of any of this; you could have simply made up those ratings in order to support the position you wish to promote. Also, the spreadsheet appears to be incomplete as there are lots of blank boxes. Is testing still underway in those areas?
I agree with you that this spreadsheet is somewhat incomplete. This is based on my years & year of experience in the sport (other sports like tennis etc.) I am not going to be able to precisely explain every single cell and defend myself but was written just to give a general idea. As for teats & experiments this is based on my many many iterations of using these rubbers back and forth in leagues & tournaments & designing rackets for other players. I know I will be viciously attacked anyway & why.
For example in another test I performed a comparison test of high aspect ratio super long pips against the long pips on ITTF LARC that are garbage in the 40+ plastic ball era. I explained this test in another post. This was against mostly 1900 to 2300 loopers that were available in my area for me to test and out of about 15 to 20 players only 2 or 3 passed my torture test & nobody passed by twiddle test. I would like to test with players over 2300 and I am sure the % players who will pass my torture test will slightly improve. But my point is not exact statistics. My point is how useless the ITTF LARC long pips in the 40+ ball era. There were other similar practical tests over the years.
This spreadsheet is not trying prove that every cell is a perfect value. This is just for players to have a general thought process going. Take it for whatever worth and I don't exactly expect a medal or win a popularity contest
I will try to keep improving it & updating it as I get time or inclination but I doubt it.
Ok whatver you say.So would it be fair to say that pretty much all of the information contained on the spreadsheet (the ratings given and the commentary included) relates to your own personal experience with the rubbers? If so, this isn’t really an objective set of results gained from scientific testing across a population of test subjects; it’s basically just a summary of your own personal experiences with playing with the various rubbers…such that if someone else were to carry out the same tests they could come to a very different set of conclusions.
As fac as weakside short pips goes , chickens (short pips) can fly a little, doves (medium pips) can fly a little higher and bar-headed geese (LARC long pips) can fly much higher but Ruppell’s vulture (High Aspect Ratio Super Long Pips) can soar the highest in terms of back spin, spin variations, dynamic range by itself or combined with spinny inverted on the other side of the racket & overall effectivenessI’m not saying you’re “trolling aimlessly”. What I’m saying is that your spreadsheet and your argument isn’t really what you claim it to be. You present things as if they are objective facts that apply universally, but in reality everything you are presenting is your own subjective opinion based purely on your own personal experiences. That doesn’t invalidate your own experiences, of course, but it’s wrong to try and pass off those subjective opinions and experiences as if they are universal facts that would apply equally to all players.
Ok Thanks.SJan, you need to stick to one profile. If you come up with another, I will just make all of them disappear.
You also need to stop Hijacking threads where people are asking equipment questions and turning them into fiascos about your opinions.
Post all the information on what you think that you would like. But every thread started by someone asking honestly about equipment changes seems to get you derailing the thread and presenting your own agenda. Post your own agenda in the context of it being your own agenda. But not in threads like this where you have taken the subject matter so far from the OP's question that he is probably wondering why he bothered to post in the forum.
Experience?
Isn't a forum the place to share experiences?
Yes, it is. But insisting my experience is better than yours is defensively ignorant! Just share experience and let people decide to make life easier for us. This sentence is clearly NOT an experience, "Mima Ito herself is using the wrong rubber." It is a stupid statement!
Sorry I am not going in circles again & again.You make a lot of assertions about things being universal facts, but facts don't become facts simply because someone claims they're a fact. You actually need to provide evidence to support the assertion!!!
Let's take just one of your assertions and see if you can provide any actual evidence to back it up. You claim that:"Long pips on the ITTF LARC are absolutely worthless in the 40+ plastic ball era. That is a universal fact".
OK, so what evidence do you have to support the assertion that Long pips on the ITTF LARC are "absolutely worthless" in the 40+ plastic ball era? This is a truly incredible claim to make, because you're not merely saying that the approved long pips are less effective in 40+ plastic ball era, you're actually saying they are absolutely worthless. To make such an incredible claim you must have some incredibly detailed and sophisticated evidence to provide in support of that claim. Over to you...
I agree . I was not very clear on this."Mima Ito herself is using the wrong rubber." It is a stupid statement!
Stuart,write down which ITTF authorised rubber(s) they should have used or should be using? *
Agree 200%. Let ITTF keep making rules & regulations any which way they like but all pips players obey them.......................while two winged loopers enjoy their speed glues & boosters withot worrying about the health of their families or second-hand effects on families , fellow players & spectators. )Just make up some fake rules & regulations about glue / boosters but don't really enforce them at all at lower levels................because the health of a lower level players is not all important) But let two winged loopers make a big noise about the few pips treating cheats when there exists about 500 or 1000 glue cheats for each pips treating cheat. (I know I know what your next reply will be......do you have proof, do youhave exact numbers & names of these cheats etc etc) Don't worry at all about a fair & level playing field Don't worry about longer ralles for spectators to promote the sport.. Yes indeed........ ITTF knows what is best for pips players. ITTF loves diversity in the sport. ITTF loves pips players...especially choppers.I've never posted anything in support of the ITTF and have never made any comment (supporting or otherwise) as to what the real "agenda" of the ITTF and their rules changes might be. I know very little about the politics of table tennis; it simply doesn't interest me all that much. However, the fact remains that the ITTF are the governing body of table tennis, and they are the ones that make the rules and decide what rubbers are authorised and therefore legal to use. If players want to play any sort of competitive/sanctioned table tennis, then they need to be using rubbers that are actually legal to use. If you are advising players to use rubbers that are not on the current list of authorised rubbers, then in my opinion that is very poor advice...and that is still poor advice irrespective of whether those rubbers might actually work better for them.
What do you want from me ? I agree with you 200% . Yes, all pips players must obey & worship the ITTF . ITTF knows what is good for pips playersNone of this has anything to do with what I said. Once again, I'm not commenting on the rights or wrongs of the rules that the ITTF have put in place...I'm simply pointing out that they are the ones that make the rules, and therefore they determine what rubbers are legal and what rubbers are not. You obviously have a strong anti-ITTF agenda and disagree with many of the rules they have implemented, and that's fair enough...but you shouldn't let that hatred of the ITTF and their rules creep into the advice you give to table tennis players. To advise players to use illegal rubbers just because you think they should still be legal is just bad form.
Thanks . I am humbled. After fighting 25 years of what I thought of as ITTF's corruption, you have suddenly opened my eyes in a few weeks & I have found the booster Gods & I have achieved pips nirvanaI accept your apology and acknowledgement that you are giving bad advice...
I plead a pre-emptive not guilty. The secondhand effects speed-glues & boosters have effected my brain since 1995. I cannot control myself...but I wonder how long it will be before you are repeating this bad advice in a different discussion under yet another username?!?