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Hi TTD members,
a new year is closing in and hopefully we will get some more time at the table.
This thread will be for all new equipment that will be released in 2021. Let’s keep the thread updated.
Looks like that Butterfly will be coming with a new blade soon. :)
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Probably a Franziska Inner ZLC will be released soon. Picture is from the latest CL match between FSC TT and Orenbourg TT
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Thanks! I was waiting to see a good pic of Franziska's new blade, at least the handle, to see if it was a whole new design or perhaps a Revoldia CNF (which I doubted). I'm guessing it will be released on 4/1 or 4/21 which are dates that Butterfly historically makes its new releases at the beginning of each year. Changes are it'll be the exact same comp and characteristics as the Apolonia ZLC which was already a copy of the Innerforce Layer ZLC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giangt
Yea, hope so, I think he deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konrad Bak
Yasaka Mark Wood and Mark Carbon blades made in Sweden.
And Yasaka Trick Anti rubber for those who care!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas.pong
Pics are here.Quote:
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Did anybody recognise what blade Darko Jorgic was playing with against Ovtcharov in the semifinal Champions League 2020/2021? Perhaps it's something new?
It has lense or badge that is very similar to ones used by Wang Hao's Loki brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Is Spinnier your account?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
The handle uses the same pattern as Tibhar's Kinetic Speed with only difference the direction of the lens. Since he already uses Tibhar equipment maybe they will publish a new blade. If I'm not wrong until the world cup he used a Timo Boll ALC.
Yes, it is.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by thomas.pong
Nice! I started following you a few weeks ago on Facebook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
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Who really knows??? The only thing that makes me skeptical about is that Jorgic previously used a blade from butterfly. I think that since Jorgic for many years is sponsored by Tibhar should have tried kinetic speed and if he liked it, he probably would play with it. Thus, must be a new model.
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Either way, I think he deserves his own signature blade from Tibhar. He's a promising player and probably the biggest future talent on their roster. For having seen him played in person, he's impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konrad Bak
Hasn't Kallberg been playing with Apolonia ST for a while now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Konrad Bak
The handle wasn't red so it can't be apoloniaQuote:
Originally Posted by thomas.pong
Sent from my NEM-L21 using Tapatalk
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The Mark blades look like almost similar with what were released a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
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New blade from Butterfly, 5+2 ALC, hinoki outer plies.
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Hinoki ALC now that is new..Quote:
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Will probably only be available in Japan/Asia.Quote:
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A sardius, primorac or gergely with alc????
More like a thinner Cofferlait (5.9mm vs. 6.5mm) and less reactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi_bear
And they call it effort!!! Shouldn’t it be “effortless” :pQuote:
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The lens is reminding of the design of Tibhar GTC series which there has been speculations if that is the blade he is using, but Tibhar could be releasing a signature blade in 2021. That would be in place.Quote:
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A bit of topic, but there hasn’t been any clear pics of what AK is using. It is definitely a custom BTY blade Viscaria ST handle without the Viscaria lens.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas.pong
Just to add in more speculations it could be same batch that Dima is getting. ;)
I'm afraid none of them, since this new 70th Anniversary blade is 5.9mm thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi_bear
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New Stiga clipper wood, Liu Guoliang edition
Also:Quote:
Originally Posted by Archyan
Clipper Wood 40th Anniversary Edition
Inspira CCF (Close Core Fiber)
Dynasty Carbon Xu Xin Ed. 2021
Golden 45
Sweden 2021
Nice to know the thickness of the Clipper Wood 40th Anniversary Edition...
CHROMATICAL DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN TYPES OF THE RUBBERS..
Our Lord designed warning colorations for all toxic creatures as found in the Animal world. Toxic toad in blue, Toxic gnat in pink.
On our side, we designed warning colours for all those disruptive & destructive rubber materials. Anti's all shall go in blue, and Long Pips all in pink.
ITTF took the same view about the chromatic differentiation between rubber types, for the good of all players worldwide.
WE SECURE FAIR PLAY.
Yours respectfully
Mr. Igor Novik
national Ump
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Wow,, it is some ingenoius solution to enable players to instantly tell the nasty disruptive materials from normal. Heh, BLUE anti's will be an utterly conspicuous colour and easy to discern in every situation at play.
You see blue --BE ALERT of the anti
You see pink ---BE ALERT of the LPs
How about setting up REALLY USEFULL measures against CNT's cheating ? i.e. boosters and custom DHS rubbers not released on the worldwide market.Quote:
Originally Posted by igorponger
All sorts of rumours abound!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Music&Ping
Boosting maybe far more common than you may think!! (and not only restricted to Chinese type rubbers) I was surprised to learn that players boost their T05 etc
If my memory serves me right there’s a thread on here somewhere with photos of German League players bats, the majority were using T05 and the pimple pattern was very prominent when compared to a ‘standard’ sheet, this could be a sign of boosting!! Some admitted they boosted.
Pros have bespoke blades that may not be generally available.
Sponsor issues?? Stiga blade BTY Viscaria handle !!!??
Butterfly have versions of T05 etc that are available in Japan, not sure but there’s either an ‘S’ or another letter on the sheet to denote it’s ‘special’ it seems these aren’t generally available ‘worldwide’
Are the top sheets ITTF approved but not necessarily the sponge?? I think this is the case.
so manufacturers use different sponges with a standard top sheet, H3, H3 Neo etc etc, T05, T05fx, T05 hard etc etc, all with the same ITTF approved number code. So if a player wants a certain sponge???
SP/MP/LP players buy separate sponge and then glue on an OX top sheet!!
I believe that the ITTF have / are looking into better tests to identify boosting, I think the problem may be in the testing equipment required becomes more specialist, expensive and may not really be ‘user friendly’ or practical.
Factory tuning is allowed, so all that will happen is that the factory will ‘tune’ or ‘boost’ the rubbers specially for each players requirements and express ship them to the tournaments for the players!!! Maybe they do already??
This would make the testing pointless unless the ITTF remove the ‘factory tuning’ clause, this could then also screw up ESN!! as ESN rubbers are likely to have been factory tuned, hence the rapid drop off in performance and durability that many complain of !!! Of course this is hotly disputed!!
At present it’s the VOC levels that are tested for, VOC are I believe classed as a hazardous to health, increased chance of cancer etc, but I read somewhere that the boosters are still pretty bad, they may not have the high VOC levels but still contain plenty of chemicals that are definitely not good for you by any means.
The privately applied boosters are really the issue as far as health is concerned, I’ve used them, and will now treat them with far more caution, mask, gloves etc when / if I use them again. If booster / tuning is done in the factory at least there’s a chance that it can be controlled better, well in some countries more than others.
At the end of the day, if you want total equality of equipment, then play PING PONG!! Which could be seen to be similar to a ‘Formula Ford’ race car. Same cars, team mechanics can tune up to a certain extent, but the driver ability is more of a deciding factor.
Table Tennis is more ‘Formula 1’ in that there’s a ‘technology race’ between manufacturers. (Player ability isn’t really decreased in importance though and is still the major deciding factor)
Speed Glue !!! Was this a ‘closed shop’ closely guarded secret at first???
all good fun !!! ;);););) Just suggesting it may not be as cut and dry as some think!!!
There is still the loop hole of boosting the rubbers in the factory. Unless ittf controls it, this will go on.
Just wanted to fill you in since you just came back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Music&Ping
Butterfly tried edible oil as tuner/booster for Tenergy, as revealed in an issue of Table Tennis Kingdom from 2016.
The Tenergy supplied to the CNT comes with a "not for sale" stamp. The Attack 8 used by Ai Fukuhara was custom-made by Armstrong. Several months ago, Nittaku released in Korea a 50° Fastarc G-1, marketed as used by Mima Ito.
Provincial and National H3 have been officially available to the public in China since 2006 and 2009, respectively.
At the end of the day, major manufacturers/brands act more or less the same.