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  1. Poll: What is the basis for considering Waldner a...

    What is the basis for considering Waldner a possible candidate for the GOAT spot?
    From people charitable to the claim, one argument I've heard is that he pioneered a lot of the techniques that...
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  2. I agree that ball change has changed some aspects...

    I agree that ball change has changed some aspects of the game, but I'm not sure that it's responsible for all the changes we see. Ma Long in 2014 (prior to the ball change) had already changed...
  3. Comparing Ma Long's first and sixth ITTF Finals wins

    I made this thread because I wanted to compare Ma Long's most recent ITTF finals win today to his first one back in 2008, and see how he's changed as a player.

    Here is a video of his 2008...
  4. Ok, looks like I was being a doomer :) I mean...

    Ok, looks like I was being a doomer :)
    I mean obviously it was a possibility, but ML closed it.
    Also, what an awesome player Ma Long is.
    What awesome players they both are.
    Glad ML didn't go...
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  5. Even though ML is up 3-0 I worry that a FZD...

    Even though ML is up 3-0 I worry that a FZD comeback for a 7-game win is inevitable. FZD just never gives ML any breathing room (plus ML just barely won 2 of the first 3 games)
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  6. The question is who is better, not who has more...

    The question is who is better, not who has more titles. I think you probably understand why I draw this distinction, but just to clarify:
    Non-Chinese top players are basically able to play every...
  7. Well, we didn't see much of Fan Zhendong as a...

    Well, we didn't see much of Fan Zhendong as a 16-year-old, but I don't think he lost to any non-Chinese players at all (!) as a 16-year old. Towards the end of 2013, FZD was on a tear, dominating...
  8. All true, but I also just feel like ML's level of...

    All true, but I also just feel like ML's level of play in this tournament is just not up to par. I just watched him against Ovtcharov and I didn't think he looked good there - backhand looked way too...
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  9. Did Ma long play a lot better against Ovtcharov...

    Did Ma long play a lot better against Ovtcharov than against Jorgic?
    I ask because ML played v. bad against Jorgic, even accounting for Jorgic's performance. Others have noted that he was severely...
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  10. I feel like it would have been a significant...

    I feel like it would have been a significant upset if Kanak *had* beaten Wu Jiaji, lol. Although perhaps Wu's level has dropped since he left the CNT.
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  11. Interesting to look back on this incident in...

    Interesting to look back on this incident in light of what happened earlier this year:
    https://www.ittf.com/2019/01/20/three-month-suspension-zhou-yu/

    I wasn't aware that there was a previous...
  12. Huh? Ma Long never lost to Jang Woojin...right?

    Huh? Ma Long never lost to Jang Woojin...right?
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  13. Well I think it's pretty well known that Rain is...

    Well I think it's pretty well known that Rain is a ML fan. But neutrality is not a requirement for being able to argue in good faith (actually neutrality often correlates with being uninformed)....
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  14. Don't have time to engage meaningfully in this...

    Don't have time to engage meaningfully in this thread but I just have to say that responding to a good-faith argument in this manner is complete bullshit. NextLevel, I feel like you usually have good...
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  15. Is the stream actually working for you all? The...

    Is the stream actually working for you all? The "not available in your country" crap is so annoying (after being available for the entire tournament).
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  16. Yep, sorry - good catch! It's probably true that...

    Yep, sorry - good catch! It's probably true that there's several dimensions of table tennis that aren't really observable for someone who isn't a serious player, and that this complexity could reduce...
  17. Well I find soccer to be completely unwatchable:...

    Well I find soccer to be completely unwatchable: an unbearably boring sport in which scoring happens once or twice over the course of 90 minutes of drudgery. And I enjoy watching tennis, table...
  18. Poll: Sathiyan Gnanasekaran seems to be doing really...

    Sathiyan Gnanasekaran seems to be doing really well this tournament.
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  19. It's not him and it doesn't look much like him....

    It's not him and it doesn't look much like him.
    It's the same guy as in the entire rest of the video?
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  20. The Fan Zhendong -Zhou You match is from 2016. Is...

    The Fan Zhendong -Zhou You match is from 2016. Is this the case for all of them? Didn't have a chance to go through them all.
  21. Only 11 points total for Chiang Hung-Chieh O_O

    Only 11 points total for Chiang Hung-Chieh O_O
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  22. Yeah, you're right (I watched again too). ...

    Yeah, you're right (I watched again too). Sometimes those off-pace, slightly popped up returns can be the toughest to deal with.
    Any love for the point at 8-6 in game 5? (Sadly coinciding with...
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  23. Did ML's receive touch the net on those points? ...

    Did ML's receive touch the net on those points? He raised his hand in apology both times, which makes me think the pushes from FZD were not mental hiccups but rather attempts to adjust to some...
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  24. Great match!

    Great match!
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  25. ML narrowly avoids going down 3-0

    ML narrowly avoids going down 3-0
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